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#rockbox log for 2011-09-03

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00:17:26bluebroth3r[Saint]: ok, buflib _is_ the culprit.
00:19:24bluebroth3r[Saint], kugel: the AA in notification works fine on r30379, but stops working on r30380. Starting with r30381 I get the vorbis files extremely soft issue −− you can barely hear something even at full volume.
00:24:55bluebroth3r[Saint]: is it possible to make the popups (like the volume) pop down when you click the area / icon again? I.e. have a way to manually dismiss them instead of waiting for a timeout
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00:25:38tjb0607I just finished my minecraft theme
00:25:42tjb0607for sansa e200
00:26:18bluebroth3r[Saint]: but in general I like it. Will get some sleep now, more comments (in the FS task) later
00:27:56tjb0607http://imgur.com/a/oyz4G
00:34:28tjb0607now what should I do for a compatible license?
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00:43:13tjb0607Mojang has their own licensing http://www.minecraft.net/copyright.jsp
00:46:30tjb0607"You're free to do whatever you want with screenshots and videos of the game, but don't just rip at resources and pass them around, that's no fun."
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01:07:45tjb0607http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1408&target=sansae200
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05:30:33[Saint]JdGordon|: Ping?
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05:40:08*[Saint] is left wondering how to do "if "current volume" == NIL" with an %if statement...
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05:40:57[Saint]%?if(%pv,=,0)<> _should_ be line level...not what I want :-S
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05:53:37LloreanDo you want the mute state?
05:53:49[Saint]Correct.
05:54:40LloreanI thought the volume conditional was (mute), (levels), (line), (danger)?
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05:55:09LloreanCould you use the volume conditional to wrap something, rather than doing it in an if?
05:55:41[Saint]If you're using a conditional against the %pv tag, sure...doesn't work that way if you want a nice "progressbar" style display.
05:56:10LloreanWhy's that?
05:57:07[Saint]Because it draws from min possible, to max possible volume.
05:57:21[Saint]Its just the way bar tags work.
05:57:22webguest91rockbox 3.9 doesn't boot after installing on ipod video (60gb). please help.
05:57:50Llorean[Saint]: So then "min possible" is "not quite mute" or something?
05:58:41Llorean[Saint]: I'm confused as to why you can't use it still. I mean, it seems like it might lead to more code duplication, but you should be able to use the volume conditional to get "if muted, do X, otherwise do Y" and then use your normal stuff in the Y part.
05:59:06Lloreanwebguest91: That's very vague. What happens, exactly? Which install process did you follow? Were there any error messages along the way?
05:59:53webguest91Llorean: I installed it through rockbox utility. replaced 3.8.
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06:00:32webguest91Llorean: it worked fine after installing. at some point when it stalled playing a file, i force restarted it.
06:01:15webguest91Llorean: i have only rockbox firmware. rockbox seems getting loaded. the rockbox screen comes up. and stops there.
06:01:23LloreanSo the problem isn't really "doesn't boot after installing" but "I restarted it and it won't boot?"
06:01:39LloreanHave you tried clearing the settings? Why did you restart it, and by that do you mean "held menu and select until it rebooted"?
06:01:40webguest91Llorean: restarting several times didn't help.
06:01:57webguest91Llorean: yes. that is probably the correct way of saying it.
06:02:10LloreanWhat about clearing the settings?
06:02:36webguest91Llorean: it just stays with that screen with out any hard disk activity i could observe.
06:03:08webguest91how to do that? the drive doesn't show up when connected to computer anymore.
06:03:23LloreanIf that happens in emergency disk mode, it sounds more like hardware failure.
06:03:43LloreanDid it suffer some problem that made you choose to menu+select?
06:04:17[Saint]probably a case of manual read fail ;)
06:04:31webguest91yes. i was trying to play a flac file which i suspect has some problem. it just stalled. i used to see this problem with this file before.
06:04:54Lloreanwebguest91: If the disk isn't showing up in emergency disk mode, and it froze mid-file, it certainly sounds like the disk has a problem.
06:05:25LloreanIf you can't mount it on USB there's not much you can do. There's a way to clear settings without having to hook it up to the computer, holding a button during boot. I'm not sure what it is for the iPods.
06:05:28webguest91since it boots up to some point, it is not a complete hardware failure i believe. is there anything i could do?
06:05:32LloreanBut even then, that's not likely to fix your USB issue.
06:05:45[Saint]webguest91: In future, if you device has a future...only use menu+select if you *absolutely* have to. The "correct" method to reboot these players is to simply hold play until it powers down.
06:05:45LloreanAn incomplete hardware failure is just a step on the way to complete failure...
06:06:00Llorean[Saint]: It froze. I'd say "menu+select" was a 'have to' at that point.
06:06:33[Saint]I've had a frozen UI that responded to button calls before now, it doesn't hurt to *try* this at least.
06:06:44[Saint]menu+select is pretty brutal on spinning disks.
06:07:07webguest91i didn't know about long press of the play button. should have tried that one... :−−(
06:07:18[Saint]Pretty much the same as pulling the power cord out the back of your PC while its running ;)
06:07:38Llorean[Saint]: I don't know that we know it's bad on the disk like that.
06:07:44LloreanIt's still controlled by the lower level firmware.
06:07:57LloreanThe main problem is that you know your settings won't be saved, because it happens outside of Rockbox.
06:08:38[Saint]Llorean: I've certainly had it cause FS corruption (if it happens to be writing at the time, I guess), I've not had it cause FS corruption that prevented boot, though.
06:08:42webguest91if i left it, it gets shutsdown after some time..
06:09:22webguest91rebooting stops at the rockbox screen again after some harddisk activity
06:09:48[Saint]Does your PC mount the disk?
06:09:49Llorean[Saint]: Well, FS corruption is one thing. That's not damaging to the *disk* though.
06:10:03webguest91doesn't mount
06:10:05Llorean[Saint]: Unplugging your PC can cause it to fail to park heads well and stuff.
06:10:10[Saint]Llorean: Yeah, bad choice of wording on my part, sorry.
06:10:21LloreanFS damage is almost certain if you menu+select while writing. :)
06:10:51Lloreanwebguest91: There's really nothing you can do to fix an issue of "I can't access the disk in emergency disk mode"
06:10:53webguest91if i enable hold button, screen goes off as expected. all these things work fine. just the menu screen doesn't come up.
06:11:32webguest91is there a key combination that would bring the menu screen?
06:12:03[Saint]webguest91: Have you ever entered disk mode before? I mean, do you know for certain that it is failing to enter disk mode, or could it be a failure of yours in not pressing the key combination quickly enough?
06:12:21[Saint][16:10] <webguest91> is there a key combination that would bring the menu screen? <−− No.
06:13:00webguest91i used disk mode before. thats how i installed 3.9 last night.
06:13:12webguest91Saint: thx
06:13:44[Saint]Right, well...this certainly does sound like your disk has failed. If you can't get it to mount, there's really nothing we can suggest.
06:14:41webguest91it looks more like filesystem corruption than a disk failure from what i observe
06:15:08Lloreanwebguest91: Emergency disk mode (not Rockbox's, but the emergency disk mode) isn't stored on disk.
06:15:13LloreanIf you can't access the disk through *that* it's hardware failure.
06:15:29[Saint]Hmmm...actualy. None of the diskmode stuff is even *on* the disk...
06:15:34[Saint]Its HW failure for sure.
06:15:46webguest91never heard of emergency disk mode
06:16:18LloreanI even asked you about it earlier...
06:16:54webguest91is it same as usb disk mode?
06:17:24[Saint]diskmode == the screen you see when you mount your iPod in the original firmware, it's a coloured screen. Emergency diskmode is what you're attempting to enter now, it is a black and white screen.
06:18:20[Saint]Out of interest, what happens if you reset the ipod and then *immediately* flip the hold switch?
06:18:23[Saint]Does the OF boot?
06:18:51[Saint]you can also use menu+select to reboot, and then keep holding menu while its rebooting.
06:19:06webguest91if i enable hold switch, the screen slowly gets blackened.
06:19:28webguest91if i unhold, the display comes back
06:19:37[Saint]you really do need to flip the hold switch *immediately* to get the of to boot.
06:19:57[Saint]probably easier for you to attempt the "hold menu while its booting" method.
06:21:04[Saint]....interesting that the screen fades while the hold switch is applied. this means RB does have control of the LCD at this point.
06:21:14webguest91hey, something happened. i was holding menu while booting as you mentioned.
06:21:23webguest91it gets mounted :−−)
06:21:38[Saint]Right, do a diskcheck.
06:21:57webguest91i am complete novice. how to do it? i am on ubuntu.
06:22:20[Saint]"fsck /devices/mount/point/"
06:22:40[Saint]I can't tell you the mount point, obviously, as I'm not on your machine ;)
06:22:47webguest91let me try that..
06:23:04[Saint]don't literally type "devices/mount/p[oint/ ;)
06:23:11webguest91got it :−−)
06:23:57webguest91looks like fsck doesn't work on FAT32
06:24:41[Saint]you'll want to do "fsck.vfat -a -A /devices/mount/point/" to automatically fix any errors.
06:25:41[Saint]whoops, not -A, though that will do no harm.
06:26:09[Saint]just "fsck.vfat -a /devices/mount/point/"
06:26:11webguest91looks like i should un mount it prior to doing this
06:27:34[Saint]you can also do a "dry run" (ie. don't fix anything, just show whats wrong) first by doing "fsck.vfat -N /mount/point/"
06:27:58webguest91it just says it is a directory
06:28:09webguest91doesn't seem to be doing anything
06:29:50[Saint]what are you passing it for /mount/point/?
06:30:40webguest91looking for it..
06:34:44webguest91just doing dry run as u suggested. its thinking...
06:35:17[Saint]Llorean: the problem with bar tags and the %pv conditional is long winded, but I'll try explain it. if I did "%?pv<display my mute image|display the bar for "everything else"> I would miss the cases of line level, and danger. If I did %?pv<display mute image|display bar|display bar|display bar> then the bars displayed in the latter sections (line level and danger) will be *only* those cases...for example "danger" would occupy the entire bar image for..
06:36:18webguest91dry run result
06:36:22[Saint]The real explaination is long wided, requires screenshots, and more code snippets..but its easier to say "it just don't work" ;)
06:36:24webguest91dosfsck 3.0.9, 31 Jan 2010, FAT32, LFN /Traditional/Guitar Masterpieces Start does point to root directory. Deleting dir. Reclaimed 6190 unused clusters (25354240 bytes). Free cluster summary wrong (1423622 vs. really 1429812) Auto-correcting. Leaving file system unchanged. /dev/sdd2: 5706 files, 13164817/14594629 clusters
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06:38:19Llorean[Saint]: I don't understand why the bars displayed in the latter sections will be only those cases? Can't you use a simple filler image to fill in where the bar *would* be for those cases if it won't render the whole range?
06:38:44[Saint]webguest91: Right, so there is definitely FS errors there. Now you can do "fsck.vfat /mount/point/you/gave/it/earlier/" for an interactive run, where it will prompt you to fix. Or do "fsck.vfat -a /mount/point/...blah/blah/" for an automatic run.
06:39:24[Saint]Llorean: Yeah, filler images are the only option, the downside being a "lag"? when the conditions switch and the bars are redrawn which looks rather...not nice.
06:40:56Llorean[Saint]: If there's a lag/flicker, that sounds like a redraw bug.
06:41:28LloreanIf on one frame it's supposed to have a bar, and on another it's supposed to have an image that looks exactly like the bar, if there's a frame between where it's not there, that should be considered a bug.
06:41:49[Saint]Its ever so brief, but enough to notice.
06:41:56LloreanStill a bug.
06:42:01webguest91doing fsck -a
06:43:37[Saint]Hmmm.....RaaA doesn't *have* a "danger" case. (which may change? ..duno).
06:43:43[Saint]That makes it slightly easier.
06:44:00[Saint]it considers "full volume" to be 0dB
06:45:59LloreanWell, that makes sense.
06:46:07[Saint]In that case: "%?pv<draw mute image|draw nice fancy bar tag|draw the full bar image for "0db"|draw nothing, as we don't care about this case>" might "just work".
06:46:17LloreanSince we don't really have direct hardware access, so we just provide full volume to the OS.
06:47:00tmzt_fuze 4gbs are 30 dollars on tiger direct if anybody cares please forward to community
06:47:30[Saint]tmzt_: Take it to *-community
06:56:47webguest91bit struggling with fsck. but i think i can make it from here.
06:57:09webguest91thanks a lot for your help Saint and Llorean
06:57:18[Saint]Happy to.
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06:57:28webguest91u saved me from a definite heart attack.. :−−)
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07:38:50*[Saint] wonders why there's no GTalk or Google+ feilds in the forum profile info.
07:39:12[Saint]ewwww, ...er. fields even.
07:47:40LloreanBecause the version of the software it's running predates G+ by ages?
07:49:39[Saint]Right, but, surely adding more fields is trivial? I'm on a forum now with an even older version of the forum software that has these fields.
07:50:24LloreanOh, I'm sure it isn't too hard.
07:50:46LloreanBut I don't think anyone really cares. Nobody really seems to be doing much with the forums these days
07:50:57[Saint]there's *probably* some form of "bolt on" for it.
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07:51:33LloreanOh yea, they're right there on the smf mods site
07:52:25[Saint]I'm forced to use the forums a lot, as, even despite my repeated efforts to discourage people from doing so I get a *lot* of support requests for <theme X> via PM :-S
07:53:03Lloreanat times I was tempted to just disable PMs in the forums for normal members.
07:53:30LloreanI was tempted to see about making it only possible for people to reply to PMs. So mods/admins could PM problem users and explain what was going on, and hold a conversation.
07:56:24LloreanBut, at least they ended up in (what I think is) a better state when I left than when I started.
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08:07:07[Saint]heh, we can follow the growing trend and add G+ "+1" buttons to...errr, everything!
08:09:52[Saint]http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=1603 <−− GTalk profile field. I couldn't find a G+ profile field, though.
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08:17:28LloreanWe should put +1s on SVN revisions. :)
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10:19:11JdGordon|[Saint]: you really should know by now im always afk friday eveninng -> saturday night
10:19:14JdGordon|(aka pong)
10:20:33[Saint]Yeah, I clicked afterward as to what day it was.
10:21:00JdGordon|sup?
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10:22:02[Saint]...how do I represent "mute" with "%?if(%pv,=,<what_goes_here>)"?
10:22:20[Saint]it would be *so* much easier for me to use %?if here.
10:22:40[Saint]as opposed to a %?pv conditional
10:23:50JdGordon|jhMikeS: output volume is independant of global_settings.volume now right? could a proper "mute" voluem state be added?
10:24:44[Saint]I was trying "%pv,=,0" initially, then I clicked that 0 == line level.
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10:25:43JdGordon|yeah, there is no easy way to do this
10:25:55JdGordon|adding a "is muted" tag would make the most sense
10:26:07JdGordon|but then that shold invovle a proper mute state for the whole playback engine
10:26:51n1syeah, iirc some targets aren't muted at the lowest level
10:26:56[Saint]Nup...I've been pissing arounbd with it for a while today. The "right" way to do this (as of now) is a convoluted system of bar tags and filler images.
10:27:18[Saint]even then, its not "right"
10:27:31n1sbut othoh, what is the use case for mute? instead of just pausing
10:28:03[Saint]n1s: its a touchscreen only thing.
10:28:24[Saint]it's a "its nice to have" thing.
10:29:23[Saint]It can't really be implemented sensibly on non-touch targets. Maybe with Hotkey? ...dunno.
10:30:09n1sbut still, when do you use it?
10:30:21jhMikeSJdGordon|: why mute in the software? it would only mute per channel
10:31:02[Saint]I use it when someone's talking to me, and I want to hear them but don't really care about the music I'm listening to enough to stop/pause playback.
10:32:33[Saint]It would be useful for FM too, I guess. As (iiuc) you get kicked out of the FM screen if you stop FM playback, no?
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10:33:36jhMikeSyou can pause fm, mixer volume won't affect it
10:33:46JdGordon|jhMikeS: i ask because its a pit of a pain to store the old volume and then set min as "poor mans mute" which then breaks if the vol+/- buttons are used also
10:34:08JdGordon|a simple way to actually mute the hardware independant of the supposed volume would be useful
10:35:18jhMikeSreally, that would be better done in the drivers' global volume
10:36:13jhMikeSmost have audiohw_mute
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10:37:44jhMikeSunfortunately, a few took the easy route and just muted the DAC, not the outputs
10:39:23jhMikeSFor RaaA, it must be possible to silence audio at the main pcm ?
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10:46:10jhMikeSso, using mixer volume wouldn't help things that use PCM directly or analogue audio paths anyway
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10:48:41*Llorean wonders at about why you would mute exactly.
10:49:07LloreanI mean, if you just don't care enough about the music, why is mute better than pause still? Is pause harder to do than mute, or is there some reason to explicitly want the music to keep going while you don't listen?
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11:00:16bluebroth3rIs there some test program for buflib?
11:04:19[Saint]Yeah.
11:04:30[Saint]I think its called "Rockbox" :D
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11:10:11bluebroth3r[Saint]: ah, that one. I was rather thinking some something more ... "compact" :)
11:10:42[Saint]Well, Rockbox does seem to be the test program for bufflib presently ;)
11:11:15JdGordon|bluebroth3r: he said he has on in development..... how it wasnt finished before integrating into rockbox is beyond me
11:11:45bluebroth3rhmm, we should have more tests for Rockbox me thinks
11:12:26JdGordon|whats the story with wtachi's gsoc project?
11:12:26n1syeah, automated testing would be awesome
11:13:55*JdGordon| wants a pony
11:13:59[Saint]JdGordon|: I was wondering that myself, actually. I wasn't sure if it was poor form to ask or not.
11:14:03 Nick JdGordon| is now known as JdGordon (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
11:14:54JdGordonnot poor form to ask, poor engineering
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11:16:09JdGordonsaratoga: scorche|sh: ? whats the story with watachi's gsoc?
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12:41:42AlexPSo regarding the big menu reorganisation, what is the status?
12:41:51AlexPI haven't read all the emails
12:41:58AlexPI'm thinking r.e. the next release
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12:42:00LloreanAlexP: There's basically two menu rearranging questions. "What to do with merging System and Settings" which is... I don't want to say contentious... but complicated.
12:42:22AlexPWhich is due in October - if we are going to rearrange it'd be nice to get it in that and call it 4.0
12:42:35LloreanAlexP: The second one is the attempt to rearrange the entire structure of everything within "settings." That one simply hasn't gotten off the ground. We really need enough people to commit to it that we can get an organized something underway, with a timeline
12:42:51JdGordonAlexP: re the system/settings merging, does doing it one way make it easier for the needed manual changes?
12:42:53AlexPI don't mind delaying the release to get it in if it is moving along, but don't want to wait indefinateley
12:43:18AlexPJdGordon: As in moving one into the other?
12:43:24JdGordonyeah
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12:44:29AlexPJdGordon: I guess system into settings will require fewer changes as most things are in settings now
12:44:34JdGordonhmm, looking at the online manual, both are on the same page so probably not?
12:44:45AlexPIt is more references in the text
12:44:55AlexPBut I don't think that should be an issue
12:45:01AlexPWe can deal with it either way
12:45:03JdGordonwhy is th quickscreen in the main menu chapter?
12:45:27*Llorean guesses it's because it's the first chapter that describes a screen from which it may be invoked.
12:45:28BuschelCan anybody explain me why apps/plugins/mikmod/sloeader.c throws the following warning in my build environment? -> http://pastie.org/2475455
12:45:45AlexPLlorean: Probably, or whoever added it couldn't think of a better place
12:46:21LloreanGiven that it's (nearly) universal, and doesn't change like the context menu, I'd just describe it in the first place you can use it from, then mention "it may also be invoked here" in later chapters, with a link back to it.
12:46:37*Llorean hasn't read the manual in a very, very long time.
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12:47:26AlexPLlorean: r.e. the big rework, I'm in the "I think it'll be better when done, will reserve judgement and vote when presented, but unfortunately can't commit to helping"
12:47:44[Saint]AlexP; Dammit! You're supposed to say 'Oh...yeah, um...certainly, Settings - System is the *only* way this could possibly work wrt the Manual" ;)
12:47:53[Saint]ANy chance to go back and do that now? :P
12:47:58JdGordonhaha
12:48:13JdGordonAlexP: looks like the whole playlist catalogue change isnt in the manual yet
12:48:58AlexPJdGordon: Yeah, it isn't unfortunately
12:49:11CIA-14New commit by 03buschel (r30416): Remove 'set but not used' warning by GCC 4.6.1.
12:49:11*JdGordon thinks a straght commiters only vote is the only way to get resolution on the settings/system thing
12:49:23AlexPJdGordon: Probably
12:49:39LloreanAlexP: Yeah. I really don't think it'll take long at each stage for any one person to do "their" work the way I've proposed it. The first stage is the longest, and even that can probably be done in about 10-20 minutes considering most settings will be sorta simple to make a decision on.
12:49:44LloreanAnd all later phases should be much, much shorter.
12:49:51AlexPOh, OK
12:50:08AlexPWell I can do that - it'll just have to be by email :)
12:50:23JdGordoni've already done 90% of the work needed to get that going
12:50:27LloreanThe main reason I proposed it the way I did was to make it take as little individual time, and require as little collaboration as possible.
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12:51:39Buschel?
12:51:44AlexPJdGordon, Llorean: I'm afraid I'm a bit out of the loop, it kind of need someone to send my an email saying "do this" :)
12:51:51AlexPOnce it is decided what that is
12:52:12JdGordonedit https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqzlOGMuRZ7OdGNvcFE4QUdOSENnX1JPVXFvMUFTaFE&hl=en_US#gid=0
12:52:18LloreanAlexP: Well, what I've proposed is basically each of us (everyone who wants to pitch in) goes through the entire list of settings, on their own, without outside input, and categorizes each one.
12:52:35Buschel*face palm*
12:53:00LloreanAlexP: Then by a certain deadline we pick when we get started, we turn those in, and some subgroup with an odd number we choose beforehand uses those ideas to form a final list. That's our top level categories within settings.
12:53:13LloreanAlexP: Then we basically just iteratively repeat that on each level until we decide "This doesn't need to be broken down into more categories"
12:54:01LloreanSo it's effectively voting on categorizations, with a group arbitrating collisions instead of just going straight up majority selection.
12:54:05AlexPSo catagorise each setting at what level - highest or lowest?
12:54:17LloreanHighest first.
12:54:24LloreanSo "Sound", "Playback", "System", etc first.
12:54:36LloreanExcept no restriction on using the old names if something better comes to mind.
12:54:52AlexPOK
12:56:00LloreanI'd really like to get people in on it, and deadlines as we go, but it seems like there's just not that many people who're really interested in it.
12:56:19AlexPI imagine there are many people who are interested, but not many who can be bothered
12:56:42JdGordonindeed
12:56:53JdGordonthy will be the ones to argue when its done though
12:56:57JdGordonthey*
12:57:17AlexPwell I'll try and have a go
12:57:31AlexPJdGordon: Is that spreadsheet a complete list of all settings?
12:57:40JdGordonunlikely, but most
12:57:44AlexPOK
12:58:02JdGordonthere is no easy way to find out without someone comparing it against settings_list.c
12:58:45gevaertsShould everyone add a column?
12:59:01LloreanIt seems to be view only
12:59:09JdGordonits not editable?
12:59:12LloreanI'm copying it and doing my own. I was going to say everyone adding a column should be fine.
12:59:28LloreanWhat's the "cliplight" setting?
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13:00:12JdGordonrecording clipping
13:00:14JdGordoni tihnk
13:00:59LloreanAh, okay
13:01:42LloreanFor the purpose of this first sorting, *every* setting must have a category. Since there are no "top level" settings within the main "Settings" menu (or shouldn't be)
13:02:50JdGordonshold be editable now
13:03:14LloreanIs there a way to copy a column from one doc to another?
13:03:36LloreanAlso, what's the "folder navigation" setting for?
13:04:21JdGordonauto folder advance
13:04:30JdGordonopen up apps/settings_list.c and search
13:04:42CIA-14New commit by 03buschel (r30417): Roll back r30416. A proper fix of this warning will end in an #ifdef-hell.
13:05:21gevaertsBuschel: ah, you had a go as well? :)
13:06:07Buschelhell. the code would become too ugly with all these (LCD_DEPTH > 1 || (defined(HAVE_REMOTE_LCD) && LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 1))
13:06:20gevaertsI know :)
13:06:24Buschel:)
13:06:34*gevaerts caused some reds trying to fix that as well a while ago
13:06:51JdGordoncan't that variable get put in a macro itself/
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13:07:04Buschelhehe, now I won't forget this as well ;)
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13:07:41gevaertsJdGordon: if you fix this properly I'll buy you a beer
13:07:54JdGordonand a plane ticket?
13:08:05gevaertshm
13:08:24*gevaerts is tempted to say "yes" before JdGordon specifies what sort of plane ticket he wants
13:09:14JdGordonna, pass :)
13:09:27JdGordonback to working on a patch which has SFA chance of being comited :)
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13:10:41JdGordonhandle based alloc systems are really shit to work with sometimes :)
13:11:41JdGordonI know of at least 2 strdup() implementations in apps... could we have a single one which works from a bufalloced handle which grows as needed? obviously not allowing free() and special care to access the final string?
13:11:53JdGordonfiletypes.c is the worst case
13:12:19*JdGordon isnt exactly sure how this would work thouhg
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14:06:29AlexPgevaerts: Can you do me a favour?
14:06:49*gevaerts wakes up!
14:06:55AlexPheh :)
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14:07:28AlexPI've uploaded the builds and the voices, and manuals are on the way. I haven't uploaded maps and elfs, but have them if anyone wants them later
14:07:54AlexPCould you do me the source tarball, and then nudge B4gder when you see him to finish off the release stuff?
14:08:24AlexPI'll tag it now, but it them just needs to last few bits to point it out and the emails
14:09:26gevaertsAs in pack and upload the tarball?
14:10:32AlexPyeah, tools/release/tarball.sh
14:10:52AlexPIt doesn't like git, and my net cap here is really low
14:11:21*gevaerts nods
14:12:00gevaertsI can't upload directly, but as soon as I see either B4gder or Zagor we can figure something out
14:13:17AlexPthanks very much
14:13:29Buscheldoes anybody have an idea what to do to get rid of those warnings -> http://pastie.org/2475729
14:13:47BuschelI have them since ages when building the simulator
14:14:11n1s-g and -ffunction-sections together produces then IIUC
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14:14:39n1si don't have them though
14:14:48n1sBuschel: are you using something exotic?
14:15:28Buscheln1s: I do not think so
14:15:49Buscheln1s: Ubuntu 11.04
14:16:06amiconnThe -ffunction-sections warning is normal when crosscompiling sims using mingw32
14:16:21amiconnUnfortunately there is no option to just disable this one warning
14:16:43Buschelamiconn: ah, ok.
14:16:52n1sdo we need -ffunction-sections for sims?
14:17:02n1sah, it's for mingw
14:18:00amiconnThe warning is just 'may affect'. It actually doesn't for mingw32
14:18:22Buschelit works fine, it's just annyoing
14:19:19AlexPgevaerts: I have to disappear, manuals are uploading now - so I think it is just edit tools/builds.pm once B4gder has moved them, news item on the website, and send email/forum post.
14:19:26AlexPgevaerts: Sorry for dumping this on you
14:19:39gevaertsNo problem
14:19:40Buschelamiconn: what about the other "note" in the build log?
14:20:16Buschel(right at the end)
14:20:27AlexPgevaerts: Thanks. I'll be in and out, and have maps and elfs in anyone needs them. I'll upload them later on when I get a chance.
14:20:33gevaertsok
14:21:21AlexPOh, and I have done release notes on the wiki, it just needs the not released yet line removing
14:21:33AlexPand the date updating :)
14:21:42AlexPRight, see you in a bit
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14:28:07n1sBuschel: there isn't any other warning before the notes ?
14:28:11n1sit looks weird
14:28:31n1sthat sort of message is usually printed after a warning as extra info
14:28:47Buschelyep, that's strange. there is nothing before this note.
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14:30:27n1si don't get those eitehr btw so perhaps more mingw weridness
14:30:46Buschelwhen I declare both variables as "volatile" this note disappears. same when do not declare the SL_LoadInternal 'static'
14:32:18n1sthe ITPACK struct typedef looks weird, try removing the first occurence of ITPACK there
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14:39:29Buschelno change
14:42:28n1sthe fs task mentions a compiler bug with the old cf toolchain so that can probably be changed back, but i'd need to test it...
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15:13:27v4hnhey everyone, as flyspray told me, I'm here discussing my patch FS #12257. This is more or less cosmetic but important for me.
15:13:28fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12257 3Goban mixes up stone colors on inverse displays (patches, unconfirmed)
15:13:45v4hnAny comments/approvals?
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19:40:31amiconnBuschel: I don't know what this note means
19:40:59amiconnBuschel: Btw, there are several warnings in the new libgme when building raaa for N900
19:41:08amiconnSome macro collision with system stuff
19:41:23Buschelamiconn: do you have log of those?
19:41:33amiconnNo, but I can regenerate them
19:41:52Buschelamiconn: seems I will live with those "notes" then...
19:42:03Buschelamiconn: good, I will see what I can do
19:42:19amiconnUnfortunately the scratchbox build process is so different from our ordinary method that I have no idea how it could be integrated into our build system
19:42:48amiconnYou basically build a .deb using the debian mechanism (dpkg-buildpackage)
19:44:15Buschelamiconn: btw, could you review FS #12256 and FS #1258 ? I am not the makefile guru. I am sure those patches won't be the final version...
19:44:16fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12256 3Use -fgnu89-inline for building doom and mpegplayer (patches, new)
19:44:16fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/1258 3FIX: Inverted cursor in recording screen (bug: 725348) (patches, closed)
19:44:17amiconnAt least there's some progress in that scratchbox is available for amd64 as well.
19:44:50amiconn1258? I guess 12258
19:45:10Buschelyes, sorry
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19:46:28amiconnI'd rather keep -ffunction-sections and live with the warnings for mingw32
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19:49:55Buschelyou think it creates too much unneeded build variants?
19:50:07amiconnAs for 12256, it looks ok to me, although I'd call the flags MPEGCFLAGS
19:50:27Buschelthat could be easily changes
19:50:28amiconnAlso the doom *.o don't depend on doom.make for some reason (not your fault)
19:50:29Buschelchanged
19:50:46amiconnSorry %.o
19:51:39amiconnI think leaving out -ffunction-sections creates unnecessary differences between target and sim builds
19:52:37amiconn*If* we value warning free builds higher than that, it should probably be removed for mingw32/cygwin only
19:53:17amiconnNote that sims will probably become larger when doing this
19:53:48BuschelI don't think that would be a real issue
19:53:58amiconnIt might be necessary if we decide to include a mingw32 sim build into the automated build system (which might be a good idea actually)
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19:55:25Buschel(even though they are fixed quite fast)
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21:10:53*Buschel found the cause for the strange 'note' warnings in mikmod
21:12:34CIA-14New commit by 03buschel (r30422): Fix compiler warnings in mikmod. Initialize 'status' and 'incnt'.
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21:14:47CIA-14r30422 build result: All green
21:15:06Buschelmikmod uses '-w" and lots of warnings are suppressed. when compiling with mingw a few of them still were reported as 'note' w/o the warning itself
21:16:01amiconnThat's a bug in mingw-gcc imo
21:16:22Buschelseems so
21:16:56amiconnIf warnings are suppressed, I'd expect the related notice(s) to be suppressed as well
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21:26:37gevaertsZagor, B4gder: I uploaded the 3.9.1 source to http://rockbox.hostname.be/rockbox-3.9.1.7z. AlexP should have uploaded the rest to the server. Can one of you do the server-side stuff?
21:27:44Zagorsure
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21:40:48Zagorgevaerts: files are in position, front page is updated. will you update builds.pm?
21:41:22gevaertsZagor: that's the one in trunk, right?
21:41:33Zagoryes. tools/builds.pm
21:42:09CIA-14New commit by 03gevaerts (r30423): Update stable build to 3.9.1
21:43:04gevaertsOK, so now just forums and mailing lists?
21:43:59Zagorhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseChecklist :-)
21:44:18amiconnThe build distribution algorithm is doing some strange things
21:45:02amiconnLast round my fast machine got lots of bootloaders, but several slow machines ended up doing nothing
21:45:29Zagoramiconn: the end result is far from the scheduled result
21:45:58Zagorall machines get builds. not all are able to complete them before someone else does.
21:47:38amiconnDo we really have that many redistributed builds?
21:47:44Zagoryes
21:48:04gevaertsok, release notes updated, mails sent, and forum post posted
21:48:39CIA-14r30423 build result: All green
21:48:45gevaertsZagor: did you download my sources 7z to http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.9.1/ yet?
21:48:57Zagoryes
21:49:29gevaertsI don't seem to see it
21:50:19Zagorhttp://download.rockbox.org/release/3.9.1/rockbox-3.9.7z ?
21:50:43Zagoroh, that's not right
21:51:27Zagornow
21:51:33Zagorhttp://download.rockbox.org/release/3.9.1/rockbox-3.9.1.7z
21:52:15gevaertsOK, we're done then I think :)
21:52:19Zagoryay
21:52:31*Zagor sips some whisky for celebration
21:53:13gevaertsParty time! \☺/
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23:20:29n1surg, mikmod is really supressing *all* warnings
23:21:25n1sand there's a *lot* of them
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23:24:52akaWolfhow to write program for rockbox?
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23:34:51bertrika plugin you mean? have a look at apps/plugins/helloworld.c
23:38:24akaWolfthe list of known functions?
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23:42:08pamauryhum, I'm getting some weird random data abort in the fuze+ bootloader when enabling usb; the only invariant is that it never works :(
23:44:36bertrikpamaury, maybe some interrupt firing that was still pending?
23:44:43Buscheln1s: seen FS #12259 ?
23:44:44fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12259 3Removed bug and compiler warnings from mikmod (patches, new)
23:45:51bertrikakaWolf, basically the only functions a plugin can call are in apps/plugin.h through the plugin_api struct
23:46:04akaWolfok
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23:46:26pamaurybertrik: no, I don't think it's hardware related, perhaps a problem with the linker script (I know the usb.c file uses some funny attributes)
23:47:36akaWolfunder mingw i can compile rockbox?
23:49:34saratogayou can cross compile the sim under it IIRC
23:51:34saratogai don't know how easy that is though, i've never tried it
23:54:24n1sBuschel: ah, nice, i hope you submit it upstream
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23:55:39akaWolfbig project..
23:56:21saratogawhy do you want to use mingw?
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23:56:43akaWolfbecouse i have mingw
23:56:48akaWolfand MSVS 2010
23:57:14saratogawell i wouldn't use those unless you had some other reason to
23:57:22saratogagoing to be easier to just use our tools
23:58:07akaWolf)
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