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#rockbox log for 2011-09-11

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02:18:27JdGordongevaerts: multiple viewports? where?
02:18:56gevaertsJdGordon: having a list item be one viewport is a bit of a pain
02:19:08gevaertsMaybe I'm missing something though
02:19:53n1sbertrik: it can improve gcc's inlining decisions
02:20:47JdGordongevaerts: you are :) every viewport with the label specified is drawn for each item in the rectangle
02:21:11gevaertsCan you have more than one viewport with the same label?
02:21:14JdGordonI also think extending LT/I to get an offsets text/icon is piss easy
02:21:23JdGordonyeah.. DUH! :)
02:21:46gevaertsoh
02:21:51gevaertsThat would help I uess
02:21:56*gevaerts goes to try
02:22:34JdGordonthe x/y positions are relative to the items rectangle, not to 0,0 of the screen
02:24:35gevaertsYes, that part is clear. I just didn't realise that labels don't have to be unique
02:24:52JdGordonk
02:25:45gevaertshm, I seem to have a colour problem. %Vf doesn't seem to work for the selected item
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02:26:21gevaertsWait
02:26:35gevaertsIt does work, except if the selected item is the first one in the list
02:29:42JdGordonis Vf on a different line to the text?
02:30:04JdGordonpastebin your sbs
02:31:36gevaertshttp://paste.debian.net/129295/
02:31:43gevaertsThe list bit is at the end
02:32:19gevaerts%tn is unique to my tree, but should be unrelated (it returns the alphabetical position of the first letter of a string)
02:33:44JdGordonwhy have you got the image labels in '' marks?
02:34:41gevaertsBecause that's what CustomWPS seems to suggest?
02:35:23JdGordonok, guess that will need reqording then
02:35:32JdGordontry putting the last line on the line above it
02:35:36JdGordoni.e remove the \n
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02:36:42JdGordon%Vf/b dont salways eat the newline which means the text on the next line doesnt fit in the viewoirt
02:37:51gevaertsThat doesn't change things
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02:39:46JdGordonhmm, dunno, gtg, back in 30min or so
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03:22:47gevaertsJdGordon: sometimes I get the impression that %Vf() and %Vb() apply for the *next* list item
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03:26:04JdGordongevaerts: that's probalby a bug then
03:26:23JdGordontry using %Vs(colour, <the colour>) instead
03:26:35JdGordonthat definitly works for the current line
03:27:09JdGordonalso, do you want to commit %ss?
03:27:40gevaertsI think it's useful enough, yes
03:27:52gevaerts%Vs works
03:28:01JdGordondo *you* want to commit it?
03:28:39CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30499): Fix FS #12270 - properly initialiase the wps_data struct so skin_data_reset() doesnt crash later
03:28:53gevaertshm, my tree is a bit dirty in that area, since I added some more tags
03:29:11JdGordonI think i want to double check the code before it goes in, i was doing it in my sleep and think it isnt completly correct
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03:50:07CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30500): New tag %ss() which lets you get a substring of another tag. ...
03:52:26CIA-14r30500 build result: All green
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04:24:42soapscorche - I still can not access the forums when connecting through my NL VPN.
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04:26:59scorche|shsoap: odd - get back to me in a few hours if you can - i am not really in a position to debug anything
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04:52:23mc2739JdGordon: r30499 seems to have broken albumart display
04:54:58JdGordonoh bugger
04:55:11JdGordonfile a bug so i dont forget please :)
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04:56:39mc2739sure thing
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10:19:04hiptobecubicI find that charging my ipod4g in rockbox is terribly inefficient, has anyone else noticed anythign like this? I usually reboot into standard firmware to charge otherwise it will take days
10:24:40Lloreanhiptobecubic: What version of Rockbox are you using, and what do you have "Charge during USB connection" set to?
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10:28:59hiptobecubicLlorean, great question... hold on
10:30:13hiptobecubic3.8 "yes"
10:30:26hiptobecubici see 3.9+ is out, i'll tyr that
10:30:28hiptobecubictry*
10:30:55LloreanAre you charging it from a PC, or a wall charger?
10:31:32hiptobecubiceither, althoug wall charger is faster of the two for sure
10:31:48LloreanIn Rockbox, which one were you trying?
10:31:57LloreanYou may wish to try "Force" rather than "Yes" for wall chargers.
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10:39:05hiptobecubicit works better with the wall charger than over usb
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10:57:42hiptobecubicLlorean, running 3.9.1 now, we'll see if it does any better
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11:02:40JdGordonmc2739: still around?
11:07:21CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30501): Fix albumart which r30500 broke (FS #12271)
11:09:46CIA-14r30501 build result: All green
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12:44:19CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30502): Rework how the skin gets the list item text to save some ram. Also allow the %LI and %LT tags to take 2 optional parameters to get a different items ...
12:46:28CIA-14r30502 build result: 18 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
12:48:20CIA-14New commit by 03jdgordon (r30503): fix red
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12:49:51JdGordongevaerts: using ^ with a ui viewport + list rectangle that are the same size you can do some interesting effects showing the current item in a big font and smaller fonts the further away they are :)
12:50:40CIA-14r30503 build result: All green
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13:58:47CIA-14New commit by 03b0hoon (r30504): HDD6330: Fix random strange behavior of the touchpad. Setting the sensitivity higher than normal is not a good idea for this one.
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14:15:42gevaertsJdGordon: that looks useful!
14:15:56CtcpIgnored 6 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 9 seconds at the last flood
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14:21:03CIA-14New commit by 03b0hoon (r30505): HDD6330: Fix random issues with the button light (MENU button sometimes does not light up).
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14:33:28pamauryHum, I can't find where the OF sets the charging current...
14:41:47*pamaury would dream of something the fuze+ OF would just...do simply
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15:00:14pamauryDo we have any soc here which does software charge current throttling based on die temperature ?
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15:02:21gevaertsHas anyone here ever converted metafont fonts?
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15:11:05JdGordonanyone know fonts?
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15:15:35n1spamaury: i *think* the beast does something like that, jhMikeS knows the gory details though
15:18:36pamauryindeed
15:19:38pamauryI'm not sure I have access to the battery tempature however
15:22:39JdGordonkugel: is there any way I can force a handle to move?
15:23:06kugelhuh? no. why would you want that?
15:23:51JdGordonto verify that that wont cause a crash
15:24:09pamaurykugel: JdGordon wants to do it, isn't it a sufficiently good reason ? :)
15:25:25kugelJdGordon: ah, for debugging. during development I had a small debug alloc at the very begin, which could be freed via debug menu. on the next compaction all allocs would move
15:28:26pamauryhey, apparently freescale put the sb file formation documentation on thei website
15:31:35pamauryout of 14 pages, I just learn one useful thing, yeah !
15:32:49JdGordonI think moving fontacache to buflib is going to be very fidly :/
15:33:19JdGordonso, how do people feel about a setting which allows users to set the skin buffer size which gets statically allocated so everyone can get their themes in?
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15:45:38kugelJdGordon: I think we discussed that before. And I think we wanted buflib to avoid exactly this kidn of settinsg
15:48:15CIA-14New commit by 03b0hoon (r30506): HDD6330: Enable only one led (from five) on the scroll strip in order to save battery life.
15:50:38CIA-14r30506 build result: All green
15:56:17*bertrik considers considerable pruning of the sansa clip zip new ports thread
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16:25:31gevaertsJdGordon: the difference between the %LI number and the original icon number is a bit annoying when you want to actually show an icon: you can't reuse the same bitmap strip...
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16:39:19gevaertsStrings are utf8 internally?
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16:42:19gevaertsIf so, I suspect the %ss implementation will go wrong as soon as someone, somewhere, uses an accent
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16:51:50gevaertsJdGordon: I suspect we want something like http://paste.debian.net/129382/
16:54:22kugelyay
16:54:42kugelfinally fixed the last bug with the audio buffer reclaim work
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16:56:42kugelgevaerts: the strlen() is I think correct, as the result is used as byte coutn in memcpy
16:58:38gevaertskugel: the second one? right
16:58:48kugelyes
16:58:58*gevaerts nods
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17:02:39gevaertsSo http://paste.debian.net/129388/
17:05:42kugelgevaerts: I wonder why this substring doesn't use the more common end parameter (instead of len)
17:06:20gevaertsIs end more common?
17:06:36kugeljust wondered, I thought but I just see in c++ it's len
17:06:46kugel(java does end)
17:07:04gevaertsI don't think it really matters though. I suspect nearly all uses will be from the start or to the end, in which cases they're the same
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17:29:57CIA-14New commit by 03gevaerts (r30508): Make %ss utf8-aware
17:31:57CIA-14r30508 build result: All green
17:32:33kugelgevaerts: ret_len is the len paramter?
17:33:33kugelthen it's probably in chars if given by the user
17:34:14*kugel thinks the code would be simpler if it was the end parameter
17:35:26gevaertskugel: yes
17:35:28gevaertshm
17:36:46gevaertsSo yes, it's still buggy
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17:48:43gevaertskugel: I think http://paste.debian.net/129394/ should fix it
17:50:05*dionoea wonders when the skining engine will move to a language like lua. It seems be becoming quite complex these days.
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17:54:38gevaertsok, testing seems to show that this is correct
17:54:57CIA-14New commit by 03gevaerts (r30509): Second attempt at making %ss utf8-clean
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17:56:37gevaertsdionoea: the skin language itself isn't getting more complex, really. It's just the actual functionality, and I don't think something like lua helps there. The stuff still has to be implemented *somewhere*
17:57:08CIA-14r30509 build result: All green
17:59:01dionoeagevaerts: indeed. but when you look at all the tags which pop up all the time and when you try reading the corresponding skin files it kind of makes you think. Of course I never code skins and only added tags once so my view might be a bit incomplete
17:59:37dionoeait kind of feels like reading a program in J :)
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18:02:00gevaertsI think skin files are mainly hard to read because they mix functionality and output (similar to e.g. "bad" php), but I suspect that changing that wouldn't make them any more readable because the amount of pure positioning code would explode
18:02:17gevaertsUnless you change the entire model
18:04:15dionoeayou're probably right... Only having to implement core functions and not the whole programing logic would probably make it somewhat easier though. Anyway it's not like I'm going to do anything about it :)
18:05:27kugelI don't think lua makes it easier to read. remember that you need to code the UI layout as well
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18:07:01dionoeamight be. I remember adding lua module to vlc and they were definitively easier to write and understand than the C equivalent (of course this doesn't exactly compare to rockbox's skining engine)
18:07:08dionoeamodules
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18:15:04gevaertsJdGordon: can't I use other tags that return numbers for start and length in %ss?
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18:17:03gevaertsno, obviously not...
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18:19:02gevaertsProbably not worth the effort anyway
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18:47:56pamaurydo we have some function to find the first/last bit set of an integer §?
18:48:29pamaury(I can use some builtin of course)
18:48:55kugelpamaury: find_first_set_bit() or so
18:49:19pamauryindeed, thanks
18:49:20kugelor ffs()?
18:49:58kugelthere should also be clz()
18:50:56pamauryfind_first_set_bit
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19:34:21jef22Good morning! I've been using using rockbox on my nano2g since available, but now it doesn't come out of screensaver, and there's a bunch of colored line on the screen. Buttons & wheel work fine. Tried formating & reinstalling, same thing... Very puzzling...
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20:07:32*gevaerts wouldn't mind a mode in the simulator that draws borders around viewports
20:08:00gevaertsjef22: so everything works as normal except the screen shows garbage? That sounds like a hardware problem...
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20:43:01jef22gevaerts: No, the screen works fine when it starts, as long as I'm doing something on the machine it stays clean and I can navigate no problem. But when I let it go in screensaver it won't come back to normal screen, just those lines but I can skip tunes or adjust volume...
20:43:49gevaertsjef22: did this start happening with a specific version?
20:45:49jef22the first one that had nano 2nd gen on it. But it ran for a while flawlessly. When it happened I formated and reinstalled with 3.9 with same results.
20:46:53gevaertshm, I don't know then. Maybe someone else will have ideas
20:47:04*gevaerts doesn't have a nano2g
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21:21:09pamaury_hum, I don't understand why the imx233 battery conversion does voltage * 29 / 128 for Li-Ion :-/
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21:24:39wodzpamaury: weird, but this is a matter of opamp gain/resistor divider setup
21:25:19wodzIs there a documentation how to use shiny new buflib allocator?
21:26:35kugelbuflib.h has lots of documentation
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21:26:47pamauryThis is weird: the adc value is something like 14000 (which is way to high for being a voltage). Perhaps this is to have better accuracy but even then I can't understand how a 12-bit accurate adc can produce such a value
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21:27:35wodzkugel: It would be nice to setup wiki page with examples
21:28:11wodzpamaury: Is this 'raw' value from hw register or something else?
21:30:46pamauryraw value
21:31:03pamaurybut the lradc has a converter to put a scaled value in some power register
21:31:23pamauryand this converter does * 29 / 2^n
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21:34:43pamauryoops my code was wrong so I might be telling crap :)
21:35:13pamauryah much better values now \o/
21:41:56wodzkugel: What is the policy of buflib_alloc()?
21:42:12kugelpolicy?
21:43:00wodzIf there is buflib_alloc_ex() which can have extended parameters so I assume buflib_alloc() assumes something
21:44:25kugelsure, it assumes default paramters
21:44:34kugelstill not sure what you mean by policy
21:44:56wodzand default parameters are...?
21:45:46kugela default name and default callbacks
21:45:58kugelnot sure why this is important to know
21:46:22kugel(default callbacks as in no callbacks)
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21:46:58kugelthe point of the non-ex version is that you don't need to care about the extended params
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21:49:10belakJust wondering what the status of the iPod rockbox port is... last I heard the battery life really sucked and it crashed randomly. Have any of these been fixed?
21:49:53wodzCan I simply call handle = buflib_alloc(); char *ptr = buflib_get_data(handle); and pass this ptr as a param to for example fread()?
21:50:48wodzbelak: I assume You mean Ipod Classic - if so nothing changed AFAIK
21:51:06belakwodz: yeah
21:51:08belakThanks
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22:06:37kugelwodz: no
22:07:40kugelyou need to lock the handle in a move_callback since fread can yield
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22:11:11wodzkugel: Can I kindly ask you to describe use scenarios of this new toy? I know that documenting code is boring but reading others code just to understand how to allocate some space is boring also
22:12:48kugelwodz: did you read the comments in buflib.h?
22:12:55wodzyes
22:13:00kugelit's not like I didn't do documentation
22:14:16wodzI didn't say that - you documented somehow implementation details. I am asking for some higher level doc with examples. Is this so much?
22:14:59kugelthen I missed my intention. I didn't want to document implementation details
22:15:46kugelI'm not sure examples are better than real "production" code
22:16:22kugelbut I'll see what I can do
22:16:55wodzAfter lecture of buflib.h it is unclean to me 1) Do I have to call buflib_init() at the very begining or is this called somewhere and creates default context. 2) How do I know if something yield() and trash my alloc?
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22:17:19kugelwodz: if you want to allocate memory use the core_* wrappers
22:17:51wodzgreat, and where can I find .h file for this one?
22:18:03kugelin the same directory as buflib.h....
22:18:05wodzCan I use this from plugin?
22:18:56kugelbuflib_init() creates a buflib instance for one big buffer so that you can make smaller allocations from it
22:19:30kugelthere's pre-defined instance for the core (and core memory)
22:19:48kugelin plugins you can create a new instance
22:22:13kugelso, you can use buflib from plugins, but not allocate from core memory
22:22:20kugel(except through audio_get_buffer())
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22:23:27wodzkugel: Does this mean the mempool will be from pluginbuf?
22:27:25kugelyou can make pools with usign a static allocation or plugin_get_buffer()
22:29:06wodzok, I think I understand
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22:32:07kugelwodz: allocs can only move on behalf of new allocs
22:32:28kugelso if you do allocs from only one thread you don't need to lock
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22:34:57kugelwait, no, that's not correct
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23:26:09fmlOut of curiosity: what is the new "substring" wps tag good for? I mean, if you have a tag, then why not show it all, and if you have a custom text, you can just write it in the length needed.
23:28:36gevaertsfml: I use it for things like gevaerts/screen4.bmp">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/screen4.bmp
23:29:02gevaertsThe first letter is a different font, and when the letter changes it's also a different colour
23:29:34kugelfml: there's no serious consideration for new tags anymore. they're added when someone asks for it :)
23:30:02gevaertskugel: I didn't commit the three others I implemented yesterday!
23:31:03fmlgevaerts: hua! I'm very impressed! Did you designed it by yourself? Ah, I forgot that you are an artist... :-)
23:31:51fmlgevaerts: I'd expect the string parameter to be the first, and the start and length 2-nd and 3-d.
23:31:57gevaertsfml: it's still very much in progress. gevaerts/wps.bmp">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/wps.bmp is the matching wps, complete with a progress candle :)
23:33:26fmlgevaerts: now we need a tag to process the AA image so that it better fits the background (add some scratches etc.)
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23:34:21gevaertsYes, that's pretty much required
23:35:29fmlAnd make the edges not so straight. Another question (slightly off topic): what are the underscores in the names for? Is it your system of naming folders?
23:35:47gevaertsyes, I don't like filenames with spaces in them
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23:36:30gevaertsMaybe I need a tag to hide them :)
23:37:17peturor convert to space again
23:37:41gevaertsHow about a general regular expression tag?
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23:52:18fmlgevaerts: such a tag would be a viable solution to the "the" problem.
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