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#rockbox log for 2011-10-20

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04:19:45*[Saint] lols at "what if the Hoff is the one who steals your phone?"
04:20:31[Saint]Haahahaaha...."The Hoff" is in my dictionary!
04:20:45[Saint](Not a user edit, either)
04:21:43*[Saint] skulls away to the intended tab.
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09:44:08ha-manhey all
09:44:24ha-mananyone awake/ alive here tonight?
09:45:30Zagordon't ask to ask, just ask.
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09:49:07ha-manjust wanted to let someone know about a 'bug'? or issue with the latest build.. just to say, i've been a long time user of rockbox, using on my sandisk sansa e260 now for some years.. i love it, and its been great. so heres what i've noticed. i had been running the official ver until now, i just wanted to try out latest build. and right off it seems to cause the usb to not link at usb 2.0. i tried putting it back on and off a few times, restarting, etc, ma
09:52:33[Saint]You need to shorten your posts...
09:52:44[Saint]There's a character limit.
09:53:00[Saint]You exceeded it, and your post was truncated.
09:53:38[Saint]The last we got was "restarting, etc, ma"
09:53:57[Saint]ha-man: ^
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09:58:32ha-manok sorry
09:58:55ha-man.. i tried putting it back on and off a few times, restarting, etc, make no diff. so i went back to official. at usb 1.0, theres no point. just wanted to let ya know. also wondered if anyone else had same prob.
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10:01:43ha-mani was looking in the forums for an area for build discussion
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10:01:56ha-manbut havnt really found any talk about the test builds
10:02:09ha-manits late , and i'm tired, i'm probly just being blind
10:03:45ha-manheh, ya i am blind, after taking the time to really look, i went under the bug tracker, and sure enough right at the top, there is a post about this very issue
10:04:01ha-manso, i'm sorry to have bothered you
10:04:03ha-manhere
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10:08:13ha-manok welp, good talk then heh
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10:19:55wodzHow do I know how many lines do I fit on the screen with current font?
10:20:26wodzI recall there was a function to retrieve line height
10:21:07[Saint]kugel_: (draged over here from #*-community:
10:21:15[Saint]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/RaaA/UBUNTU%20FONT%20PACK/Ubuntu%20Font%20Pack.zip <−− Ubuntu font pack
10:21:40[Saint]Many, many, many hand-crafted AA fonts.
10:22:09wodzfont_getstringsize() is overkill for what I need
10:23:09kugel_wodz: viewport_get_nb_lines()
10:24:23wodzhmm and if this is the default viewport what should I pass to this function?
10:24:42kugel_I was always curious what nb stands for, but this gives you the max simultaneous lines for a viewport
10:25:00kugel_wodz: the viewport you're drawing into
10:25:41[Saint]its usually "nota bene" (take note), but probably missused in this case.
10:26:13[Saint]some people seem to use "nb" to mean "some arbitrary value"
10:26:27wodzok, I'll ask the other way round - I want to display backtrace either from panicf() or from UIE and I wan't to know how many entries should I display
10:26:43wodzI would decipher nb as number
10:27:28kugel_I don't think a convinience function exists for the default viewport
10:28:16kugel_earler you would have used LCD_HEIGHT/font_get(FONT_UI)->height, but new code shouldnt have that
10:28:55wodzlovely :/
10:29:22kugel_plus I think font_get(FONT_UI) doesn#t work anymore since the recent font rework (not sure though)
10:29:41kugel_wodz: the problem is that we don't have a list widget in firmware
10:29:53kugel_it shouldn't be needed, but I see this is a special case
10:30:57[Saint]nota bene - a Latin phrase (or its abbreviation) used to indicate that special attention should be paid to something; "the margins of his book were generously supplied with pencilled NBs"
10:31:04[Saint]wow...I knew something! :)
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10:31:57kugel[Saint]: a script to generate them would be more helpful :)
10:32:17[Saint]kugel: That's...not really possible.
10:32:41[Saint]convttf is so broken, its not possible to get a consistent output without manually fine-tuning.
10:32:54kugelso convttf has bugs?
10:33:04[Saint]Shit yes.
10:33:11kugelis there a bug report about this?
10:33:37[Saint]There's many comments about its various brokenness in its tracker thread.
10:33:47[Saint]It was committed with those bugs.
10:34:03kugelI thought I solved them in the last versions
10:34:14kugelI worked on convttf quite a bit pre-commit
10:34:32kugelif there are still bugs I'm unaware of them. a new bug report would be helpful
10:34:40[Saint]Besides which, I personally think that fonts should only be generated when a font changes. And that themes should pull in pre-converted fonts.
10:35:09[Saint]this would simplify wpsbuild.pl a lot, too.
10:36:07[Saint]With the frequency the fonts actually change...building them on-demand is, rather pointless.
10:36:41kugelwhat do you mean?
10:37:58[Saint]Well, its not so much of an issue now that the only theme included is cabie. But the fonts are "made to order", no?
10:38:04[Saint]As in, built when needed.
10:38:40[Saint]This isn;t an issue for you and I, as fonts only need to be built once. But the build clients do a clean build each time.
10:39:07[Saint]Irrelevantly building fonts that never (in the greater scheme of things) change.
10:39:13kugelyou care about the build clients?
10:39:21[Saint]Why should I not?
10:39:29[Saint]We all should.
10:39:44kugelI thought there was an actual problem (other than build efficiency)
10:39:53[Saint]Taking irrelevant processes out of a build is something all should care about.
10:40:38kugelso, anyway, fonts are build at make zip/install time
10:40:41[Saint]There seems to be no reason why the fonts could;t be pre-converted, and grabbed from a folder, as opposed to built when required.
10:40:51kugelplus only the fonts needed for the shipped themes are build
10:41:12[Saint]Right, but, I don't think they should be being built at all.
10:41:51[Saint]They practically never change, they should only be built when a font is changed.
10:41:58kugelso you want hundreds of .fnt in svn to save 0.01s of the build process?
10:42:16[Saint]hundreds...c'mon.
10:42:22[Saint]be realistic
10:43:18kugelI highly doubt your plan has a measurable influence on the build performance
10:43:49[Saint]That doesn't mean its a reason to keep doing things in a way thats blatantly stupid ;)
10:43:54kugelbut it probably make the download of the source bigger/take longer
10:43:59[Saint]Versioning fonts wouldn't be hard, at all.
10:44:37kugelwhy do you call that "blatantly stupid"? that's clearly your personal opinion
10:44:53kugelgeneratic stuff when needed is an accepted pattern
10:45:12[Saint]So its perfectly fine for the build system to rebuild something needlessly every round?
10:45:34[Saint]And, it is needless.
10:45:44[Saint]There's no argument against it not being so.
10:46:27kugelI think we have lots of worse problems to discuss
10:48:06kugel[Saint]: I would appreciate of you could open a bug report about the convttf bugs
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10:53:37[Saint]kugel: Will do.
10:53:45kugelthanks
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12:14:52CIA-14New commit by 03pamaury (r30810): sbtools: fix sbtoelf to handle files with more than one hundred commands
12:16:58CIA-14r30810 build result: All green
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12:36:59kugelpamaury: you can use sizeof() for string literals
12:37:24pamauryit doesn't really matter
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14:35:03LalufuI'd like to request that http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12264 be merged for the next release.
14:44:38*[Saint] feels lazy
14:44:46[Saint]FS #12264
14:44:48fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12264 3Make logf() output via serial optional (advanced configure option) (patches, unconfirmed)
14:45:14gevaertsLalufu: in what way does that matter for a release?
14:46:12[Saint]I wouldn't believe it does...I'd actually argue its exactly the type of thing that should wait until after the release (given the current state of svn head)
14:46:38[Saint]Its definitely a nice idea, though.
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14:52:59LalufuI don't really care if it's in the next release (i.e. 3.10), just getting it into the tree at some time would be nice.
14:55:33[Saint]Right, well, if its on the tracker...and in a committable state, it'll happen *eventually*
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16:05:46ZagorTorne: when do you think you will have time to work on the gerrit transition? is there anything we need to resolve before that?
16:05:59Tornepolicy stuff, i guess?
16:06:06Tornei started writing some stuff up last night
16:08:48Zagorexcellent
16:08:53LalufuTorne: is it possible that somehow the current (old, svn-copy) git tree is slightly corrupted?
16:10:09LalufuI have a local pull of that tree, and a branch that had the HEAD of master from a week ago or so merged into it.
16:10:51Lalufuyesterday I made a "git pull" on master (which went fine), and attempted to merge the new HEAD of master into my branch.
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16:11:11LalufuI was getting merge conflics in files I know I never touched in my branch.
16:11:43chkktri_uh oh, got boot failure while trying to boot latest revision
16:11:56chkktri_D2 r30810
16:12:45TorneLalufu: nobody has touched it other than the existing auto update script
16:12:46chkktri_problem should be in last 10 updates
16:12:53Torneas far as i know
16:13:07chkktri_umm how to update to certain revision?
16:13:09Tornei suspect you have git'ed wrong :)
16:14:40TorneZagor: anyway, i will see what i can do tonight, or this weekend
16:14:44Tornesorry for the ongoing delay here
16:14:53Tornebut i work at work a lot more than i used to in my old job :)
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16:15:03Torneleaving less convenient work time to spend working on rockbox )
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16:16:39Zagorno problem. I'm just trying to see if there's anything we can do/discuss while you're busy so we don't have to wait for that when you get actual time to spend
16:16:48TorneYeah, erh
16:17:06Tornei'll check my list in a few :)
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16:17:30Tornewell, when my shift of merging is over :)
16:19:02Torneare we happy with just doing the minimum to let developers start committing to git and just cutting over?
16:19:10Torneand then fixing infrastructure afterward?
16:19:17Tornewell, you were, and i don't really mind :)
16:19:24Tornei mean people in general
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16:21:40Zagoryes, I think so (as you said). the build/web infrastructure is useful but not vital, and if it's broken a few hours isn't a big problem.
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16:43:10[Saint]chkktri_: "svn up -r XXXXX"
16:43:24[Saint](where XXXXX == the revision)
16:45:25[Saint]I assume you're making your own builds...if you're not, and you want a specific revision, you're rather screwed ;)
16:48:22CIA-14New commit by 03buschel (r30811): Some iPod Video's need a 2nd call of ub_drv_init() to establish the USB connection. This workaround breaks the USB functionality for other devices. ...
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16:49:49CIA-14r30811 build result: All green
16:50:33ZagorBuschel: so is this a fix or a regression?
16:51:17Buschela fix for a regression that was done to fix a regression :)
16:51:53Zagorso "This workaround breaks the USB functionality for other devices" describes the pre-commit behaviour?
16:52:18*[Saint] is confused too...
16:52:26Buschelnow I got you. my commit message may be misleading
16:52:27[Saint]Did you fix it, or break it? ;)
16:52:46[Saint]Or fix one thing that breaks many?
16:52:51[Saint];)
16:53:13Buschelr30701 fixed USB for iPod Video but broke it for other devices, r30811 fixes the regression for the other targets
16:53:31[Saint]Aha!
16:53:51*Buschel thinks he should have taken this as commit message :)
16:54:58Lalufuand the iPod Video still works?
16:55:27Buschelof course
16:57:33Buschelthe 2nd call of usb_drv_init() is not really correct. but until there is no other solution we stick to that. my iPod Video does not connect without this 2nd call since r30546
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17:14:50z180i have opened my Thomson EH308 found a TCC 770 and a 8gb microdrive without CF connector
17:15:38z180it has no buttons even volume adjust works via touchpad
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17:33:31gevaertsBuschel: r30701 fixed USB for *some* ipod videos :)
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17:37:23Buschelgevaerts: I am convinced we will find another one :)
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17:53:39*pamaury might go for a creative zen x-fi2 port just after the fuze+ one...
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18:30:39saratogadoes the fuze+ use a bootloader?
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18:43:44pamaurysaratoga: yes
18:44:05saratogai noticed its not built by the build system
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18:52:11pamauryhuh ?
18:52:32pamauryyes it is !
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20:05:58kugelhmm, do_menu() is buggy
20:06:01kugelI don
20:06:08kugel't know how to fix properly, though
20:06:18kugelit takes a viewport parent. if it
20:06:32kugel's non-NULL it assumes it's sufficiently fixed
20:07:17kugelbut, the callers generally don't know about the buttonbar (and recently line height), so the viewport isn't sufficiently fixed
20:07:43kugelthe parents are only fixed w.r.t. to the boundaries (and perhaps font, need to look)
20:08:32kugelso, a) fix the callers which means they need to know more about list internals, b) do it in do_menu() which means you need to draw a line what you expect from the caller
20:13:35kugelc) don't know?
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20:28:33kugelI'll just create menu_set_viewport_defaults(), and uses this in place of viewport_set_defaults which most callers do
20:31:37bertrikhm, many translations are a bit behind
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21:22:33Torneoh, great. r30780 doesn't load with git-svn
21:23:59Tornehmm
21:24:05Tornemaybe it's 30781 actually
21:24:29TorneZagor: problem :)
21:24:49TorneZagor: your new dynamic lcd branch is under the directory for an ancient abandoned cvs branch of www
21:24:55Torneand this has totally boned git-svn
21:25:02Tornei may have to tell it to ignore it?
21:25:05Torneor do some weird surgery
21:42:53Tornefixed it with weird surgery. i think.
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22:14:20ZagorTorne: sorry about that :)
22:15:02TorneZagor: i've worked around it
22:15:07Torneit's made my conversion repo look weeird
22:15:15Tornebut the superflous extra branches are just not pushed to gerrit
22:15:21Torneso they don't hurt anything except my sanity
22:15:21Torne:)
22:16:22TorneI've just realised that a lot of the tags in the copy on gerrit are actually pointing to other tag objects, not to commits
22:16:27Tornebecause i cocked up some batch processing at some point
22:16:39Tornefixing that now, but it requires overwriting old tags on the server which is naughty :)
22:18:00Torneoh well
22:18:06Tornei hope nobody has a clone of it they care about :p
22:20:15TorneZagor: one thing i was going to ask you: how do you want to handle giving permissions to committers?
22:20:37Tornewe need to get everyone (or at least everyone who is active) to prod gerrit sufficiently to have an account, and someone (currently you or me) has to add them to the group
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22:21:04Zagoryeah, I suppose I should have admin rights
22:21:07Torneyou do
22:21:38Tornebut yeah, right now the only person in "Rockbox Committers" is me
22:21:40Torne:)
22:21:54Tornethat group doesn't have any actual permissions right now, bt they will do once we turn, yaknow, commits on
22:22:32Zagorright, so I'll just have to go through the list and add everybody
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22:23:04Torneok
22:23:09Tornei dunno if there is a less manual way to do it
22:23:44ZagorI'd guess it's no more than 30 minutes of work, so I doubt automating it is worth the time
22:24:22Tornewell, ok :)
22:24:37Tornei am writing up a proposal for our commit guidelines now
22:24:42Zagorgreat
22:24:59Tornei'm gonna go with the "you can't upload merges unless you are in an extra group, but you can add yourself to that group" technical implementation
22:25:13Torneand then just have some guidelines about what preferred strategies for committing are
22:25:25Torneso people who are not used to git are unlikely to make horrible mistakes
22:25:46Torneand people who are wanting to do weird git stuff are hopefully reined in somewhat by guidelines but not actually ultimately restricted
22:25:46gevaertsHas anybody done work on the build server yet?
22:25:49Tornegevaerts: no
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23:26:50TorneOK, I have just sent a draft proposal for a git commit policy to rockbox-dev
23:27:06TorneAny committers who care in the slightest how we use git: please read and comment
23:27:30Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2011-10/0128.shtml
23:32:57bertrikTorne, I'm not really knowledgeable in git, but it sounds like a fair proposal. I think this is also a bit like how I currently use git with git-svn.
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23:48:32Tornebertrik: it is, yes
23:48:50Tornebertrik: svn *requires* a linear history, so using it directly or via git-svn requires that you do this, only even more strictly
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