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#rockbox log for 2011-11-04

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00:32:50CIA-22New commit by 03bertrik (r30897): Make local functions and variables static where possible
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00:35:49CIA-22r30897 build result: All green
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01:06:30ruler501I have a sansdisk fuze 2and am wondering if its possible to play avi files on it with rockbox
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01:27:01Arabastahey! i need some help here...
01:29:13Arabastais there a way to format the ipod with rockbox and make it able to be bootable drive? such linux, win, mac...
01:29:48Torneyes
01:30:37Torneif you still want it to work as an ipod as well, then you need ot be careful about where you put partitions :)
01:31:28Arabastahow would the partition table be?
01:32:00Arabastai don't think i need more than 5-8GB for music/video
01:32:04Tornethe same as how it is normally, or with extra partitions if you need other filesystems
01:32:19Torneyou need to leave the first, semi-invisible partition alone as it contains the firmware
01:32:33Tornemany partitioning utilities will accidentally delete/overwrite it while creating other partitoins :)
01:32:49Torneyou can safely shrink the normal FAT data partition to make room for other things.
01:32:51Arabastawich one do you recomend?
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01:32:57Torneno idea.
01:33:20JdGordon|what you really want is for someone to finish the usb-cdrom driver in rockbox!
01:33:59Arabastapartition magic would be a good idea, i think, as it doesn't overwrite all of the partition table each time you change something...
01:34:04Arabastaright?
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01:34:22TorneI would be doubtful that any graphical or commercial tool does the right thing
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01:34:39TorneThe firmware partition is basically invalid/meaningless according to the definition of how partition tables work
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01:34:49TorneSo it's very easy for things to assume it doesn't actually exist and clear/overwrite it.
01:35:02Tornei would use command line fdisk on linux
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01:35:19Tornebut that's just the tool i use for everyting like this :)
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01:35:29Arabastasweet!
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01:35:59Arabastaso, after that i just need to install OSes on new USBdrive partition and ready to go?
01:36:11Torneyou'll need some kind of MBR installed as well
01:36:13Arabastawhat about MBR?
01:36:15Arabastaoh
01:36:30Tornethe ipod doesn't use the boot code area, so you can put whatever in there.
01:36:40Torneit only cares about the partition table, and the contents of partition 1 (the hidden one)
01:36:53TorneWell, and there has to be a FAT partition somewhere for the actual data.
01:37:17Arabastaat any place on the disk?
01:38:12TorneYeah, doesn't matter where it actually is.
01:38:24TorneI'm not sure if the ipod firmware cares what partition entry it is
01:38:29TorneI would suggest leaving it as partition 2
01:38:34Tornejust to avoid having to test that
01:39:39Arabastahow does rockbox act when i plug the ipod on pc? usbdrive only, or do i have menu access?
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01:44:34Arabastaa less useless question: where is rockbox data stored? on that semi-invisible first partition, or on the FAT one?
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01:51:24LloreanArabasta: only the bootloader is stored in the hidden partition
01:54:56Arabastai see... so the install order would be something like: restore, install rockbox, partition disk (w/o formating FAT part.), install OSes normally. is that so?
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01:57:36LloreanArabasta: The install order would be "restore" then "follow the install instructions"
01:58:35Arabasta<Arabasta> hey! i need some help here... <Arabasta> is there a way to format the ipod with rockbox and make it able to be bootable drive? such linux, win, mac... <Torne> yes <Torne> if you still want it to work as an ipod as well, then you need ot be careful about where you put partitions :)
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02:00:53LloreanI'd restore, partition the FAT32 part so that there's space for the OS, install Rockbox, make sure it works, then install the OSes (carefully) I think.
02:04:09Arabastarestore, partition, installR, works?, installOSes. got it!
02:04:25Arabastathanks a bunch!!
02:04:40LloreanI can't promise that'll work. It mostly depends on the OS installs not messing with things without your consent, I'd imagine.
02:04:45LloreanBut it's the order *I* would do things in.
02:05:27Arabastai'll make sure installations don't mess up partitions :) thanks!
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08:39:45amiconnkugel: Still hard freezes if I even try to enter the menu from the browser with voice enabled (I have set it to start up in the browser)
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08:40:42kugelamiconn: i tested on my e200. it _should_ work
08:40:53amiconnYeah... but it doesn't
08:40:55kugelthat freeze is on the h100 right?
08:40:58amiconnyes
08:41:13kugelcan you try pp again? the freeze is perhaps somewhere else
08:42:33amiconnUgh, something is buggy with sw usb as well. I get an unzip speed (to mini2g) of about 40 KB/s
08:44:22amiconnPP doesn't work either.
08:44:33kugelamiconn: hm
08:44:37amiconnI can enter the menu from the browser, but voice doesn't work
08:44:45kugelamiconn: there is perhaps a problem with the voice files on the download server
08:44:48amiconnTrying to enter 'Settings' even freezes it (!)
08:44:56kugelI tested with my self-built voice
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08:45:05kugelI couldn't get the download ones to work
08:45:39amiconnHad to use two-button reset on my mini
08:46:13amiconnNow a data abort after browsing a bit...
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09:03:49amiconnOn hwcodec it's still the opposite: Voice from voice file works (menus, spelling etc) but talk clips don't
09:03:59amiconnIt acts as if the clips aren't there
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09:04:08amiconnNo crashes so far though
09:04:26CIA-22New commit by 03bertrik (r30898): Sansa clip zip: swap RGB<>BGR for WiseChip display
09:07:02CIA-22r30898 build result: All green
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09:40:16Pasiastyhello
09:40:30Pasiastyi've got problem with registration on RB forums
09:41:51Pasiastyi've retyped captcha correctly but an error is occuring: 'You did not answer the verification questions correctly'.
09:42:13Pasiastyi've been trying it for several times
09:42:23Pasiastyit doesn't work
09:49:19kugelamiconn: do you try with downloaded or self-compiled voice?
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09:51:15[Saint]Pasiasty: try voicing the captcha.
09:51:31[Saint]It *does* work.
09:52:03[Saint]It comes up with some ridiculous challenges, but it does work.
09:52:15pixelmakugel: I'm pretty sure amiconn uses self-built voice files
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09:54:33pixelmaI tried voice on my M5 yesterday and first I could here the menu announcement but it suddenly stopped working (probably after a boot cycle after idle power-off) -with voice fily by amiconn and a pre night's-fix build. No hangs though
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10:07:37kugelwell, my fix worked perfectly on my e200 with self-compiled voice (espeak); and downloaded voices from the daily build page didn't work. so I'm clueless
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10:14:28[Saint]kugel: that's an....interesting result.
10:14:39[Saint]Curious, very curious.
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11:00:49webguest75hi guys can rockbox alow you to play diffrent folders
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11:05:08dfktdefine "different folders"
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11:12:02wodzbluebrother^: FS #12366
11:12:03fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12366 3polish translation for Rockbox Utility (patches, new)
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11:22:10wodzmortalis: I found my hacky files to dump rom
11:22:21mortaliswodz: i've made dump allready
11:22:29wodz:-) what was wrong?
11:23:35mortaliswodz: write never returns when size = 8kb, I've made 2 file with 4kb
11:23:54wodzekhm what?
11:25:16mortalishttp://www.box.net/shared/gr3xepidsmbo4zt8tl03
11:27:27mortaliswodz: when i call write and size = 8192 it never return, so i've made dump of first 4kbytes of bootrom and then second 4kbytes
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11:27:46wodzmortalis: this is 2706b right?
11:27:53mortalisyes
11:28:07wodzok - I'll compare with two other dumps I have
11:28:35wodzthis is mistery It must be some bug in sd driver
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11:37:22pixelmakugel: voice file only or also talk clips (for file and folder names)?
11:37:54pixelmas/voice file/spoken menus
11:45:05amiconnkugel: Self-built voice files (which always worked before buflib). Download server has no German
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12:06:12wodzmortalis: your rom is binary identical to mine
12:12:42kugelamiconn: very strange
12:13:00kugelamiconn: can you send me such a file?
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12:29:53pixelmakugel: could it be a file size issue?
12:30:10kugelno idea
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14:10:15*bertrik is curious whether the RGB<>BGR colour swap worked for "wisechip" variants of the clip zip
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14:12:37bertrikI think I'll work a bit on RDS support this weekend, I'll send a proposal on the dev mailing list
14:12:40funmanbertrik: what's the status of clip zip, besides art & plugins missing?
14:12:51funmanwiki doesn't seem up to date
14:13:03bertrikfunman, works for me for day-to-day playback
14:13:10bertrikthe wiki is pretty much up to date
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14:14:04bertrikWe found another display being used "in the field" which may be still output colours incorrectly
14:15:16bertrikPerhaps the text on the SansaClip wiki is giving the impression of a very immature target, but it's factually correct
14:15:20funmanTargetStatus says clip zip port is 'not installable'
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14:15:32bertrikbah, we have too many redundant pages
14:17:08funmantrue, perhaps we fear to lack some information
14:24:21bertrikfunman, thinking of getting one? :) There isn't that much left to hack though... :D
14:26:48funmanto use it, perhaps; although getting yet another player isn't in my priorities yet
14:26:51dfktheh, since we're at it... bertrik, noticed another issue with the zip. sometimes skipping to the next track during playback doesn't play the track, time shows 0:00 and it doesn't start. rockbox doesn't crash, but needs a restart to continue playback.
14:28:26bertrikoh, odd. I haven't run into that myself. I find it hard to imagine that this is some clipzip-specific bug though (closest thing to cause this would perhaps be disk access)
14:29:15bertrikI did at one point see the corruption in the progress bar and the disk icon that you reported, but haven't seen it anymore at all in the past few days
14:29:17dfkthmm, maybe it's related to the bitmap corruption issue? btw, i tried the same theme for quite a while on my cowon x5, and it didn't corrupt (with the same build revision as on the zip)
14:31:04funmandid you run the various test_ plugins ?
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14:31:42dfkti'm not aware of plugins... are they enabled in the standard build?
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14:32:31funmanhmm no but test plugins shouldn't be hard to build
14:32:32bertrikfunman, I ran a few, but not all of them. I haven't run test_disk to completion yet (can't really read the results on the narrow screen...)
14:34:01bertrikI posted a patch on flyspray that enables most plugins (and disables the ones that don't work yet) for the clip zip
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14:37:49bertrikdfkt, the patch is at FS #12364
14:37:50fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12364 3Sansa clip zip plugins (patches, new)
14:38:14dfktthank you
14:39:19bertriktry to run doom :D
14:40:19dfktyes, first things first :D
14:40:59funmanguys, be serious please
14:41:14funmani mean, how can't rockblox1d be the first plugin to run? :P
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14:44:43bertrikok, at least write&verify in the test_disk plugin passes for me
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14:51:03dfktbertrik, could i have the build with test plugins from you?
14:51:18dfktor are they in the patch you linked?
14:52:25bertriksure, I can post a zip file
14:52:29dfktthanks
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14:59:44bertrikdfkt, http://wikisend.com/download/225368/rockbox.zip
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15:00:37dfktthank you!
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15:13:23*bertrik is a bit surprised that we don't seem to have a kind of display test image plugin, something like bars of red, yellow, green, cyan, etc.
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15:14:15funmanwe have lamp
15:14:26funmanit displays yellow and cyan bars on clip
15:14:54funmanbertrik: to test color correctness?
15:15:13bertrikyes, for example, or check brightness curves
15:18:29[Saint]bertrik: I added a patch to add red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet to lamp.rock, but it was closed. :-/
15:19:27dfktthat would also be nice for dead/stuck subpixel tests
15:19:46[Saint]One portion of the patch was committed, though. The "don't respect idle timeout" portion of it was committed.
15:19:54[Saint]So, it wasn't a total loss.
15:20:52[Saint]dfkt: I thought so too...powers higher than I (those with commit access) thought not :)
15:21:27[Saint]Basically, "lamp.rock shouldn't do this, we should have a dedicated plugin for this".
15:21:42dfktin soviet rockbox, there are no colors
15:21:51dfktonly beige
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15:22:02[Saint]Hahaha.
15:25:38dfkthow many loops does the memtest plugin do?
15:26:51[Saint]I suspect the code knows this answer.
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17:51:07funmanbertrik: can you change mkamsboot to dualboot clipzip on left key?
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18:58:00dfktfunman, i like the way vol- is used for dualboot... easier to reach than the left key, especially when plugging into usb at the same time
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19:00:01bertrikThe vol- was a bit arbitrary, I used it because it's directly connected to a gpio, while the left key must be read in a keyscan matrix fashion
19:01:05dfkti found myself reaching for the vol- button on my clipv1 and clip+ as well in the meantime... wondering why it wouldn't work ;)
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19:24:40kugeljhMikeS: ping
19:26:34kugeljhMikeS: http://pastie.org/2811282 should fix the original issue of FS #12279. does it look right?
19:26:35fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12279 3Sansa Clip+: Music playback is returned to the head when wps is changed since r30486 (bugs, new)
19:26:39kugeleverybody else is welcome to test
19:27:11kugel(check if loading a theme or enabling time stretch while playing audio makes it resume from the beginning, a short pause is expected)
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19:35:47funmandfkt: it was for consistency with other sansas
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19:36:17funmaniirc on clip+ we used home and later changed
19:36:20dfkti thought as much... change all others to vol- ;)
19:36:30funmannothing prevent having 2 buttons for dualboot though, the right button in extra
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20:38:29fmlThe last update to CREDITS is a bit strange: it is not in English and the name is written as "Lastname Firstname" (not as "Firstname Lastname" as all the other entries)
20:39:31chkktriso it should me in latin after all ☺
20:39:38chkktrib*
20:43:16chkktriand firstname goes first as it should
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21:44:49scorcheSo, I just got an invitation from the SCaLE (Southern California Linux Expo) for if we wanted to do a booth there again
21:45:47scorcheI will probably decline again for this year unless others wanted to join me...
21:54:25ntrly_owlhow many people attend
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21:55:35AlexP_mobbertrik: r.e. your email, is that tuner relevant to the beast?
21:55:54bertrikyes, it has the same tuner
21:56:20AlexP_mobCool :)
21:57:14bertrikI don't know if the beast has the RDS interrupt wired to the CPU though
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21:58:05bertrikotherwise the CPU has to poll pretty fast to make sure no RDS packets are missed
21:58:38AlexP_mobI vaguely remember doing a brief test in the past (for you maybe) and getting something that looked vaguely sensible
21:58:56AlexP_mobLots of vaguely there :)
21:59:30AlexP_mobI'd settle for just e.g. station name
21:59:40AlexP_mobWhich is pretty fixed
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22:00:20AlexP_mobAnyway, give me a shout for a little test as and when :)
22:00:49bertrikI wonder if our default WFMS already does RDS
22:01:24AlexP_mobI think there are some RDS tags, yeah
22:01:35AlexP_mobFrom the iPod video remote
22:01:45CIA-22New commit by 03bluebrother (r30899): Rockbox Utility: polish translation update by Marcin Bukat (FS #12366).
22:03:52CIA-22r30899 build result: All green
22:04:07pamaurybertrik: the datasheet says polling every 20ms is sufficient
22:04:13pamaury(si chip)
22:04:51pamauryI don't know if the rds interrupt is wired to the cpu on the fuze+ too
22:08:58bertrikthat would be the sensible thing to do to properly handle RDS
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22:11:20fmlbluebrother^: hello. Have you noticed the notice about the CREDITS file?
22:12:02bluebrother^fml: yes.
22:12:24bluebrother^as far as I understood the name is in firstname lastname format.
22:12:48bluebrother^And about the non-latin ... we have other entries that have non-latin characters
22:12:56bluebrother^sorry, phone call
22:15:38fmlNo, it's LN FN. And we've only used "latin" glyphs until now (with accents maybe), even for names that are written using other alphabets in their original form.
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22:37:37HiThereHello; there are no instructions on how to install Rockbox on the Clip Zip; do I just follow "manual installation", with the file from build.rockbox.org ?
22:39:35ukleinekHiThere: the Clip Zip port is still fresh, so there is no integration into the installer
22:41:01bertrikpamaury, didn't you use some kind of interrupt+thread for the rmi stuff on the fuze+, which post/wait primitives did you use?
22:41:10HiThereukleinek: I figured, but if I still want to install it on the Clip Zip, do I follow the "manual installation" instructions?
22:41:59HiThereukleinek: Get the OF from Sandisk's forums, v. 01.01.17, the bootloader / version from build.rockbox.org ?
22:42:06bertrikI wonder if I should use queue_post/queue_wait or use semaphores for the RDS interrupt
22:42:51amiconnkugel: The voice problem is indeed related to .talk clips, as I just found out on my ipod Color
22:43:40amiconnImmediately after boot voice file voice works, but as soon as a single .talk clip has been played voice stops working
22:43:51kugeloh interesting
22:43:57amiconnAfter that, anything that triggers voice may cause a hang or crash
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22:44:05amiconn(just got a data abort...)
22:44:13amiconnNow a freeze...
22:44:43dfktHiThere, you can get a prebuilt OF with bootloader from here - http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66292
22:44:47kugelthat's a good hint. I'll check that tomorrow
22:45:23amiconnI only found this because the very first folder on my Color (where the browser starts at) has no .talk clip
22:45:23kugelbertrik: I too wondered what's better
22:45:30scorcheGareth: hi - i got your email - as I was mentioning to others in here earlier, i will probably have to decline again unless some others come and join me
22:45:57kugelamiconn: so, I guess if you don't have start screen set to file browser it also works right after boot
22:47:09HiTheredfkt: I see, so download the firmware, extract the file to the player, then put the prebuilt bootloader onto the player as well, and voila?
22:47:18amiconnSo after boot that folder gets spelled. If I enter the menu immediately, voice works, but if I first go down a bit in the browser (coming across at least one folder with .talk clip) and then enter the menu, it may do one of: a) working but silent b) hang c) crash
22:47:22bertrikkugel, I don't really need queuing kind of behaviour, if another interrupt happens before the previous interrupt has been fully handled, the RDS data is already lost, so I guess a sema is easier
22:47:39dfktHiThere, yes, just extract both on the player
22:47:43pamaurybertrik: yes
22:47:56pamauryjust used a thread with a queue
22:47:57HiTheredfkt: Thank you very much =).
22:48:02pamauryI could have used a semaphore too
22:48:37dfktHiThere, you're welcome
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22:49:20Garethscorche: okay. understood. let me know if that changes or if there is anything I can do to help get additional people to help.
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22:52:31scorcheGareth: will do - thanks for remembering us ;)
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22:52:53Garethscorche: np :)
22:57:58bertrikIMO it would be nice to have a simpler mechanism to register an interrupt
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23:00:10bertriksome functions I can call to set a callback for an interrupt, not using the current weak linking mechanism
23:00:44pamaurythe current mechanism is quite nice for direct interrupts
23:01:10pamauryif you need something more elaborate for, say, shared interrups it's rather chip dependent
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23:32:25pamaurybertrik: what I would find more using would be DPC so that you can specify some code to execute out of the IRQ handler but without the explicit thread
23:35:32bluebrother^fml (for the logs): I personally don't care too much if a name is written transcribed to latin letters or uses the original letters. Feel free to discuss / change it, I just CnP'ed the name as-is.
23:35:56bluebrother^and sorry, call got quite longish
23:38:35bluebrother^(oh, and since I can't read cyrillic I can't do any transcription to latin characters myself)
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23:54:06wodzbluebrother^: I guess transcription would be Maksim Postolati
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23:57:08bluebrother^wodz: ok. Though I really don't know if we want to use transcriptions in CREDITS or not. After all the file is utf-8, so in theory all characters are possible.
23:58:15bluebrother^hmm, the manual breaks with that cyrillic characters. Fortunately there is a bug in the script that translates CREDITS to LaTeX that ignores that name (so current manuals still build)
23:58:34wodzisn't it rise problems in rockbox itself? sysfont doesn't have cyrillic characters I guess
23:58:52bluebrother^do we use sysfont for displaying the credits?
23:58:57wodz*doesn't
23:59:01bluebrother^but yes, that might be a problem.

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