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#rockbox log for 2011-11-05

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00:01:01wodzand we use firstname lastname convention which is not followed by this entry
00:01:20wodzmy transcription is FN LN however
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00:02:49bluebrother^hmm. chkktri claimed that the cyrillic is FN LN (at least that's what I understood)
00:03:50wodzI am not an expert in russian (I learned loooong ago) but Maksim looks like FN to me definitely
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00:05:11lebelliumhey
00:06:34lebelliumWhen adding one more tag in a WPS, the Gigabeat UI simulator doesn't load properly the file anymore but the exact same file works on my Samsung R0 though
00:06:54lebelliumis the WPS too complex or the file too big for the Gigabeat?!
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00:24:22jhMikeSkugel: owey
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00:29:31jhMikeShonestly, I'll not declare it "correct" until is just rewritten properly not to go through stop/start cycles or other kludges. but, if it patches it up for now, then whatever, man :)
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08:13:57chkktridamn
08:14:10chkktrionce again i mistook FN with LN
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08:43:08kugeljhMikeS: right. I meant correct in terms of queue_peek_ex() usage, not generally :)
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10:46:54*bertrik is struggling with the IF_PRIO and IF_COP macros
10:47:25amiconnbluebrother^: We could change CREDITS to native spelling, but there are several problems, among which are: 1) How to do this for existing contributors which are no longer around now? I wouldn't want to end up with a mix. 2) Very few fonts can display all scripts, so it's a question how far we take this. (This also applies to the Player, which *can* display latin (including most latin-extended stuff), cyrillic and greek)
10:48:15amiconnDo we only accept latin-extended? Also cyrillic and greek? Or do we want to go all the way, including chinese, japanese, korean, thai...
10:49:05JdGordon|latin is nicer seen as the vast majority of people can read it
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10:54:35bluebrotheramiconn: ok. I don't have too strong feelings about that so I don't see a problem changing that name. I just CnP'ed it the other day :)
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11:01:25CIA-22New commit by 03kugel (r30900): Fix FS #12279 - playback starts from the beginning when changing themes. ...
11:01:56CIA-22New commit by 03bluebrother (r30901): Change cyrillic name in CREDITS to latin transliteration. ...
11:02:14*kugel wins
11:03:16bluebrotherby what?
11:03:53CIA-22r30900 build result: All green
11:05:43CIA-22r30901 build result: All green
11:06:02bertrikwow, my RDS prototyping actually seems to work! :D (still a big hack though)
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11:14:31JdGordon|are we any closer to a release?
11:15:13kugelJdGordon|: hopefully. it appears we found the voice culprit
11:16:52JdGordon|the commit yesterday yto make sure there is always 250k?
11:17:06kugelno
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11:23:55kugelamiconn: I changed swcodec to be like hwcodec w.r.t to .talk a while ago (i.e. use the same buffer, a portion at the end for .talk)
11:24:00kugelseems it's broken
11:24:16kugelpreviously .talk used a separate buffer on swcodec
11:25:30*kugel needs .talk files for the sim
11:27:51kugelhow do you generate talk files anyway?
11:28:26amiconnI still use good old voicebox, but afaik rbutil should be able to do that too
11:30:17amiconnI know that you changed the buffer stuff. I don't think this is the culprit; somehow playing a single .talk clip overwrites innocent memory
11:30:25kugelvoicebox is for windows?
11:30:45amiconnYes, it's a .hta, using sapi
11:30:50kugel:(
11:31:06kugelrbutil doesnt work for the sim I guess
11:31:44kugelperhaps you can send me one or two, just so that I can repro? I can adapt the dir layout accordingly
11:31:47amiconnTalk clips aren't target specific apart from the hwcodec<->swcodec difference
11:31:49kugelthat would be nice :)
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11:32:39amiconnThey are just speex files (swcodec) resp. mp2/mp3 files (hwcodec) with a special extension
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11:34:25bluebrotherRockbox Utility can create talk files just fine
11:34:32kugelfor the sim?
11:34:46bluebrotherafaik there is no difference in talk files for taget and sim
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11:37:47kugelbluebrother: ah, I can select a folder. thought I need to generate on target
11:39:13kugelhm, cancelling the talk generation doesn't work well
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11:42:25bluebrothershutting down the h100 sim doesn't work well neither :)
11:43:44bluebrothertalk clips work fine for me on h100 sim.
11:43:51bluebrotherjust tried
11:44:12kugelbluebrother: talk works. but it breaks voice :)
11:44:43kugelindeed, .talk clips are loaded into the voicebuffer
11:44:46bluebrotherok, so we can simplify the menus: enable voice / enable talk clips / disable :)
11:46:57kugeloverwriting voice data
11:51:14kugelahhhhhhh
11:51:14kugelwtf
11:51:30kugeldon't look at talk.c:405 please
11:51:41*kugel slaps forehead
11:53:11CIA-22New commit by 03bluebrother (r30902): Rework manual Makefile a bit. ...
11:53:56bluebrotherpoor forehead
11:54:56CIA-22r30902 build result: All green
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12:01:19kugelthere's more wrong, but I'm on track. will have a look later
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12:13:18bertrikpff, figuring out some #defines to make plugins work involves black magic it seems
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12:31:05pamaurybertrik: which defines ? the memory related ones ?
12:32:17bertrikpamaury, I was looking at rockblox, but I think I understand it now. It has a bunch of #defines that define where stuff on the background bitmap is
12:33:07pamaurydid you actually tested all plugins ?
12:34:21bertrikpamaury, I just ran a bunch to try (maybe half to three-quarters of them) and so far any plugin that compiles also seems to run fine
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12:48:43lorenzo92hi all! In the samsung yp R0, the OF sets always the DAC mixer at 0x1a volume. No matter if the user raises/lowers the volume. The only volume that's modified it' the headphone one
12:49:21lorenzo92so actually in RB this is not clear. Using the default RB behaviour (mix both volumes), the final volume is far from "fine"
12:49:28lorenzo92too much silent levels
12:52:48lorenzo92...moreover I have a strange issue
12:53:07lorenzo92sliding the bass settings, also the volume is in someway changed lol
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13:06:21bertriklorenzo92, I think that's intentional, the volume is lowered to prevent distortion
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13:06:51lorenzo92yes saratoga told me so, but then why samsung does it? Well I know its code is buggy but hehe
13:07:10lorenzo92I tried to keep it fixed and seem fine
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13:30:20CIA-22New commit by 03bertrik (r30903): Sansa clip zip: do not enable display if it's already enabled
13:32:10CIA-22r30903 build result: All green
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14:12:52webguest42hi !
14:13:37webguest42I would like to contact the admin of the rockbox tracker. Is it possible to have his email address ?
14:14:50dfktwebguest42 - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FlySpray
14:29:28webguest42thanks dfkt
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15:01:24CIA-22New commit by 03wodz (r30904): MPIO HD300: vastly improve sound quality. This unfortunately means reverting r28797 which introduced poping noise
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15:06:03*TheSeven wonders what to do about FS #12310
15:06:03fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12310 3Crash when inserting USB while playback (since r30097) (bugs, new)
15:08:22TheSeventheseven@server:/data/micha/dev/rockbox-trunk/build/nano2g-app$ make reconf
15:08:22TheSevenMakefile:72: /data/rockbox-trunk/tools/root.make: No such file or directory
15:08:22TheSevenmake: *** No rule to make target `/data/rockbox-trunk/tools/root.make'. Stop.
15:08:22DBUGEnqueued KICK TheSeven
15:08:22TheSeveneek, now what's that again?
15:09:48TheSevenharwired paths somewhere in the makefiles├č
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15:11:30TheSevenhardwired*
15:11:34TheSevenapparently
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16:26:40jhMikeSkugel: It could throw the order off relative to earlier arrival of ff/rew messages that once came after the play message, which now get applied to the current play state instead
16:27:27jhMikeSQ_AUDIO_START? :)
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16:31:11jhMikeSnnnnnnnn.....nn
16:31:38jhMikeSerr...cat typing
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18:38:38kugeljhMikeS: that doesn't matter as there's a stop right after which throws all messages away
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18:53:51jhMikeSit doesn't process Q_AUDIO_STOP,1 until all others in the queue have been processed first, only those after Q_AUDIO_STOP,1 if any are discarded. It's unlikely to even happen though, or cause any major problem.
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19:11:13AdrianGhi all
19:11:20AdrianGwhat media player would you recommend?
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19:38:16chkktriAdrianG, you mean what PMP should you use for rockbox?
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19:43:50AdrianGyes.
19:44:03AdrianGI want something cheap, but that works ok with rockbox
19:44:24chkktrihmm did you checked supported target list?
19:45:09chkktrilooks like sansa fuze devices are pretty well supported
19:45:30chkktrithough not sure about price
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20:33:28saratogai think i'm going to do a battery bench on the clip+ with the increased IRAM clock first, then do one with the IRAM and CPU both fixed at 40MHz
20:33:46saratogacombined with the baseline ones i did a couple months ago should give us a good idea what impact CPU and memory clock have on battery life
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20:45:17bertriksaratoga, great, very much appreciated!
20:46:10saratogahuh only 35.7MHz for vorbis 128k at 40MHz, whereas the wiki claims it used to be 33.45
20:46:18saratogawonder how that got slower
20:52:10bertrikI don't know, I think a lot of really small things got fixed for AMSv2, but I can't remember anything possibly affecting decoding speed
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21:10:12Strife89I have a Sansa c250 that may be in trouble.
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21:10:42Strife89I saw it while looking through my backpack, and the screen was flashing three lines repeatedly.
21:11:10Strife89"Upgrade firmware / Erase SD media / Erase SD NVP"
21:11:44Strife89I turned off the hold switch and it stopped printing the lines further, but pressing any button once prints them again.
21:12:42Strife89Is the c250 screwed, or is this temporary?
21:13:44bertrikmaybe gevaerts knows, I consider him the sansa e200/c200 recovery guy now
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21:25:41robin0800Strife89, think its ok just turn the player off
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21:33:05lebelliumMy RB theme for Sansa Zip is ready for those interested: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=583046#post583046 :)
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21:36:15bertriklebellium, I tried it on my zip, but the menu text was unreadable (white on white text), and white looks ugly in the wps (I get horizontal lines)
21:37:01bertriksorry to sound so negative... I do like the wps layout :)
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21:37:28lebelliumI don't understand why there are so many differences between the device and the simulator
21:38:04lebelliumfor white text it's probably because I did not set a color in the cfg file, you should change that easily
21:38:13lebelliumfor the horizontal lines I don't understand Oo
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21:38:34funmanbertrik: do you plan to add video functions for the clip zip?
21:39:04bertrikfunman, that's basically adding the yuv blit function, right?
21:39:07funmani could have a look, although i guess final bugfixing would be your job since you can test :)
21:39:10funmanyes
21:40:14bertrikI saw for a few other targets that it's implemented as a C function to iterate over the rows, then let an asm function draw the row, right?
21:41:02bertrikAnyway, it looked like a lot of asm and was intimidated enough to look for something else to implement first :)
21:41:55funmanbertrik: the clipzip might be powerful enough to do it in C
21:42:37funmanwhere enough = 10 times enough or something :)
21:44:00bertrikBTW, the display update rate itself is really slow now, at 20 fps. I tried doubling the SSP speed (from 3 to 6 Mbit) and saw no errors. I'm using the same divider as the OF (from PCLK to SSP clock), but I don't know what PCLK the OF uses.
21:45:47funmandid you try OF video feature or test mode ? is fps better in OF?
21:46:08bertrikfunman, do we have a C implementation already?
21:46:37bertrikI tried the diagnosis mode briefly, but don't remember seeing an fps indication
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21:46:45bertrikI haven't tried playing a video file in the OF yet
21:47:33bertrikthe box doesn't say anything about video playback capability
21:49:05bluebrotherwouldn't that be rather an animated icon, given the size of the display? ;-)
21:49:33bluebrotherok guys, I'm planning to push Rockbox Utility 1.2.11 tomorrow. If someone has issues / concerns about that please let me know.
21:50:16bertrikbluebrother, it has more pixels than the clipv1/v2/+ !
21:50:28funmanbertrik: ssp clock is 12MHz ?
21:50:30lebelliumbertrik: please try again, white text over white background should be fixed but for the ugly lines I don't know, probably doesn't come from the theme but from the RB build http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=583046#post583046
21:50:43funmanbertrik: i don't know if we have a C implementation
21:51:04funmanbertrik: hmm i believe i have seen a 'mp4_decoder' in OF
21:51:41funmanif it as able it would have come with a video sample though, like the fuze
21:51:44bluebrotherbertrik: :D
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21:59:46funmanbertrik: C would be easy, lcd_write_yuv420_lines takes yuv420 input converts 2 pixels lines to RGB into the framebuffer
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22:00:37bertrikOh, maybe we have some code for that already in the sim?
22:02:09bertrikhm, no we don't (at least I can't find it)
22:03:01bertrikI'd like at least a functional, but possibly slow, implementation. We can improve speed later.
22:03:46bertrikfunman, SSP clock on the zip currently uses a divider of 8 with a PCLK of 24 MHz, so 3 mbit SSP clock
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22:16:34gbl08maHi everyone. What is the minimum Android version for running RaaA?
22:16:45gbl08maI'm sorry if this information is available somewhere in the wiki, but a quick search revealed nothing so I came here.
22:17:13gbl08maI know it's 2 dot something, but I can't remember if the "something" is 0, 1, 2 or 3...
22:17:36gbl08malooks like there's no wiki page for the android port :(
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22:18:40bluebrothergbl08ma: the svn log suggests that it's 2.0
22:19:35gbl08manice, I'm going to buy a cheap ($140 with shipping) chinese android 2.2 tablet. I hope it is useful at least for running Rockbox... :)
22:20:01jhMikeSlcd_write_yuv420_lines is really just something convenient for the hardware since the GRAM window cursor can be conveniently wrapped around in a window 2 pixels high
22:20:10bluebrotherwell, 2.2 pretty sure works. A lot of devices are still 2.2 these days
22:20:28bluebrother(and my phone was running 2.2 before I switched to CM7)
22:20:58bluebrothermy guess is that most devs that actually use Rockbox on Android have some 2.3+ runing though.
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22:22:20*jhMikeS 's phone that he hasn't done anything with yet has 2.2.2 on it
22:23:20funmanbertrik: why 3MHz ?
22:24:17bertrikfunman, 24 MHz PCLK divided by 8 (divider from OF) = 3 MHz
22:26:35funmanbertrik: ok, divider comes from OF
22:26:45funmanjust try divider = 2 then
22:26:57funmandid you find the divider in clip zip OF ?
22:31:04bertrikyes, at least I remember so
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22:57:06saratogabertrik: maybe a 40MHz PCLK makes more sense? the fuzev2 apparently needed that for good UI performance
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22:58:30bertriksaratoga, yes, sounds sensible
22:59:22saratogai'm running the 40MHz PCLK bench now, should be able to tell you tomorrow if theres any impact on battery life
22:59:31saratoga(on clip+)
22:59:46bertriklooking forward to the results :)
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23:01:01TheSevenhm, rolo on nano2g seems to be broken once again
23:01:01TheSeventhis is getting annoying
23:01:11bertrikas far as I understand from you now, increasing PCLK has a rather significant impact compared to increasing FCLK
23:02:54TheSevenaw snap
23:03:09TheSevenjust had a playback lockup on nano2g when seeking around in an mp3 file
23:04:00TheSevenjhMikeS: mixer_reset does the trick btw
23:04:08TheSeven(re: fs#12310)
23:04:09fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12310 3Crash when inserting USB while playback (since r30097) (bugs, new)
23:04:16TheSevenno idea why though
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23:04:59gevaertsStrife89: is the OF saying that?>
23:05:23Strife89gevaerts: Hard to tell, but it was the same font as what the bootloader uses
23:05:58Strife89At some point, I accidentally pressed something, and it told me to connect the USB cable
23:06:26gevaertsThe OF recovery mode uses a similar font IIRC
23:06:29Strife89I did so, and I got a 16 MB −− recovery mode, I assumed.
23:06:43gevaertsAh, yes, very likely
23:06:50Strife89*16 MB disk
23:07:02gevaertsSince it's a c200 copying something like sansa.fmt won't help I guess
23:07:25Strife89The c250 is fine now
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23:07:41gevaertsAh, good
23:07:48Strife89I accidentally put the computer on standby, and it disconnected, then rebooted.
23:07:58Strife89And it started Rockbox as if nothing had happened.
23:08:03gevaertsIf not, I'd have recommended the SansaC200Erase steps
23:08:58gevaerts(which I should update, there's now a newer version in svn that uses the same build for c240 and c250, and which (with a different build of course) also works on e200 since it appears to be needed there too for some people)
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23:12:03TheSevenhm, is it normal that the statusbar is sometimes hidden during USB connection?
23:12:06saratogabertrik: yes I think so
23:12:23saratoga(sorry the webclient likes to silently disconnect me so i don't realize you've said things until i check the logs)
23:12:53saratogahmm and my last messages never went though
23:13:07saratogai was going to ask if you had any idea where the CPU voltage was set on AMSv2?
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23:19:43jhMikeSWhat if keyclick is enabled while connect and a key is pressed? Does it crash?
23:20:43bertriksaratoga, I'd first have to create a patch to show the extended ADC values
23:21:37bertrikI didn't see any explicit setting of the CVDD1 voltage (which I think is the CPU voltage), the CVDD2 voltage is explicity set on the zip
23:22:09*TheSeven wonders why on earth the "show files" option was removed from the quickscreen
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23:23:34gevaertsTheSeven: you know the quickscreen is configurable?
23:23:59*TheSeven hardly ever configures things because he's reinstalling rockbox all the time
23:24:14TheSevena config file would rarely ever survive longer than a couple of hours
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23:24:59gevaertsDidn't you ever notice the large number of people who needed support because all their files had vanished or similar symptoms?
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23:27:30jhMikeSgevaerts: ummm....no? perhaps I ignore them
23:27:49TheSevenjhMikeS: I can't get keyclick to work while USB is connected
23:28:26jhMikeSTheSeven: interesting
23:29:05TheSevenwell, unless I connect it in charging mode of course, but in that case also music playback works, so that's not really interesting
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23:44:49jhMikeSeverything for beep is static buffers, IRAM is used
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