#rockbox 2011-12-16

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#rockbox log for 2011-12-16

00:00:27	*	the-kyle checked out and built r31290. Something in the update fixed the recording problem I mentioned earlier. I'm glad I didn't write that bug report.
00:02:01	JdGordon	did I break scrolling or something?
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00:07:13	CIA-1	New commit by 03jethead71 (r31311): Collect some of the memory frame LCD C code. ...
00:07:17	dreamlayers	fml: the problem was that usb storage code will try to set the time even if there's no rtc.
00:09:07	CIA-1	r31311 build result: 6 errors, 3 warnings (jethead71 committed)
00:18:46	*	rarog is waiting for "fixing red"
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00:20:12		Quit ender` (Quit: Anyone with a bit of common sense should see through the ploy. Unfortunately, this is testimony before Congress.-- Mike Masnick (TechDirt))
00:20:15	funman	jhMikeS: ?
00:23:28	jhMikeS	coming
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00:24:36	CIA-1	New commit by 03jethead71 (r31312): Fix r31311 red and yellow.
00:26:26	CIA-1	r31312 build result: All green
00:27:24	*	jhMikeS chuckles that e200v1 is still listed as LCD_X5 :D
00:27:28	funman	jhMikeS: thanks
00:27:31	funman	yeah ..
00:27:39	jhMikeS	it's _nothing_ like the x5
00:28:00	funman	it's all like copy pasting stuff and trying to understand it later :/
00:28:33	jhMikeS	they switched to CPP a long time ago (copy-pasta porting)
00:28:40	funman	:)
00:29:07	the-kyle	I see that USB is now enabled by default on Clip+. Will it be enabled in the bootloader in the near future, so that the Clip+ no longer boots to OFW just by plugging in a USB cable?
00:29:10	funman	yeah we discuss the hwcodec fork but we have a lot of forks inside the single repo
00:29:13	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31313): factorize common PP files
00:29:29	funman	the-kyle: yes when it gets enough testing so we're sure it works correctly
00:29:36	the-kyle	Thanks.
00:30:04	jhMikeS	funman just wanted the 31313 palindrome commit
00:30:07	the-kyle	So far, it's working great here for a little over a week.
00:30:19	CIA-1	New commit by 03jdgordon (r31314): OOPS, style got lost in scrolling lines with r31247, so put it back
00:30:32	jhMikeS	good jonathan!
00:30:32	funman	:)
00:30:37	*	JdGordon likes easy fixes
00:30:59	CIA-1	r31313 build result: All green
00:31:17	funman	wow i got the lucky number
00:32:21	jhMikeS	does LCD_TYPE really get used for anything much?
00:32:28	jhMikeS	*CONFIG_LCD
00:32:56	CIA-1	r31314 build result: All green
00:33:11	funman	jhMikeS: yeah, in firmware/SOURCES , nothing else afaik
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00:33:36	funman	jhMikeS: only sometimes though
00:33:53	funman	for now i focused on the files which are included multiple times
00:34:16	funman	LCD_X5 might be noot used for example
00:34:55	funman	apps/plugins/doom/i_video.c:#elif (CONFIG_LCD == LCD_X5) && !defined(SIMULATOR) \
00:35:05	jhMikeS	I added some multi-includes 'cause proper defines didn't exist. More abstract sorts might be more useful
00:35:19	funman	&& defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) /* protect from using it on e200 (sic!) */
00:35:22	funman	mouarf
00:36:25	jhMikeS	I suspect a taget knows what it should have deep down, but things like memory framebuffer display is a whole class of hardware design
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00:38:56	funman	jhMikeS: do bits-armv4.S need to be written in asm ?
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00:40:25	jhMikeS	to make it as tight as possible
00:41:13	funman	how much bytes are we talking here?
00:41:53	jhMikeS	what do you mean?
00:42:09	funman	i mean a C code should not be that big that it matters
00:42:32	funman	i see it's used on these targets/cpus : IMX233 AS3525(v2) GIGABEATF MROBE500 ZVM CONNECT COWON S5L87 MINI244
00:42:35	jhMikeS	not so much a size thing as cutting instructions
00:42:39	funman	wondering if it could just be unconditional
00:42:53	funman	ah you mean while the interrupts are disabled?
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00:43:33	funman	i'll see what gcc gives
00:43:50	jhMikeS	and making sure that things aren't moved in funny ways
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00:45:20	funman	i am tempted to build it unconditionally on arm anyway
00:45:37	funman	that would mean that -ffunction-sections wouldn't work with it though
00:47:49	funman	it is 52 instructions = 208 bytes
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00:50:52	funman	ah btw the list i gave was for armv4 mmu, not bits-armv4
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00:52:45	*	jhMikeS tries something on a longshot
00:55:56	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31315): bits-armv4.S: build on arm < 6
00:56:08	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31316): factorize build of mmu-arm.S (for armv4/5)
00:57:43	CIA-1	r31315 build result: All green
00:59:30	CIA-1	r31316 build result: 112 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
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01:03:22	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31317): Fix mmu-arm.S selection
01:03:34	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31318): Factorize ipod mini common code
01:05:31	CIA-1	r31317 build result: All green
01:07:16	CIA-1	r31318 build result: All green
01:07:16	jhMikeS	heh
01:07:47	jhMikeS	change .section to be .text.<function name> in the .asm and it discards them
01:09:10	funman	yep
01:09:12	jhMikeS	if -ffunction-sections is on
01:09:28	funman	i think we just miss a few KEEP in .lds files
01:09:30	CIA-1	New commit by 03dreamlayers (r31319): Remove USB time sync code when there's no RTC. ...
01:09:32	funman	before turning that on
01:09:39	funman	dreamlayers: that's it, right?
01:09:56	dreamlayers	funman: yeah, and I can easily add those
01:10:19	jhMikeS	so, I guess .asm files aren't a problem in that case
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01:11:03	dreamlayers	Oh, also wildcards in rom.lds. You need .text* not .text
01:11:41	CIA-1	r31319 build result: All green
01:12:45	funman	jhMikeS: you're right
01:14:18	funman	i removed 305 lines of that file
01:14:20	jhMikeS	I did test it! :)
01:14:40	jhMikeS	Did know if it would work but it did, happily.
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01:14:43	jhMikeS	*didn't
01:15:49	funman	jhMikeS: there is no red in the table for r31315 :o
01:16:56	jhMikeS	I think if no functions are referenced in the asm, as they are currently, then it won't include the file at all
01:18:56	jhMikeS	for it to cherry pick routines to keep with -ffunction-sections, it needs the modified .section attribute
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01:19:53	dreamlayers	jhMikeS: that's what I observed
01:21:14	CIA-1	New commit by 03funman (r31320): factorize build of ipod files
01:21:23	funman	i was thinking about using automake but i don't know if it can be used without autoconf (which we don't need at all)
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01:23:30	CIA-1	r31320 build result: All green
01:25:19	dreamlayers	Are the linker scripts messy, or are they dealing with buggy linkers?
01:25:56	dreamlayers	Some things don't make sense, like something inside KEEP() followed by the same thing without KEEP().
01:27:13	dreamlayers	Another example is (.text) followed by (.text*). In one place there's a comment that it's necessary with .rodata.
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01:27:17	jhMikeS	I've seen a few funny comments
01:28:08	funman	i dont think we deal with buggy linkers
01:28:10	gevaerts	I suspect it's more that most of us learn how to write linker scripts by copying likely-looking bits and making random changes until things seem to work
01:28:31	funman	in any way we can either patch or update the linker (but that should be done with much parcimony i guess)
01:28:42	funman	yeah that's more likely
01:31:30	dreamlayers	I used to think linker scripts were mysterious, but they're actually quite simple.
01:31:45	soap	What's all these "factorize" commits? Someone help the noob?
01:35:17	funman	soap: trying to define under which conditions the files are built
01:35:22	jhMikeS	factoring is hard
01:35:29	funman	instead of listing all the files for each target
01:36:53	funman	soap: i would like to change some bits of the build system so this was the introduction
01:37:32	soap	How is your factorizing different than just ifdeffing it all into little boxes?
01:37:42	funman	?
01:37:53	soap	I guess I don't understand what it does.
01:38:08	funman	what do you mean?
01:38:33	soap	give me a day to read and make a more intelligent question about how this works different than what was happening before.
01:38:45	funman	it works the same
01:39:31	jhMikeS	it used to be the way we're changing it back to....which was ultimately a nightmare and I got thanked for making it the was is was up until hours ago. :)
01:39:43	funman	oh?
01:40:28	jhMikeS	It was more based upon general conditions
01:41:13	funman	you remember when that change happened?
01:45:03	funman	i had changed plugins 1 year 1/2 ago
01:48:00	jhMikeS	I guess it wasn't so much so. it did have alot of crazy conditions and SIMULATOR checks
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01:49:53	funman	the most complex parts must be firmware/SOURCES and plugin bitmaps
01:50:15	jhMikeS	only r11468 I think was when I messed with it alot
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01:51:42	funman	anyway, getting some rest! see you
01:51:48	jhMikeS	goodnight
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03:59:23	limescout	Hey guys! I'm working on my first plugin, but I can't get it to show up in the simulator menu. I've done exactly as it says on the "how to write plugins" wiki page
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04:02:16	JdGordon	did you do make install?
04:02:34	limescout	yes
04:05:29	JdGordon	did you add it to apps/plugins/CATEGORIES?
04:06:13	limescout	yes, as fencingref,apps
04:07:16	JdGordon	and that isnt in .rockbox/rockbox/apps?
04:07:21	JdGordon	you sure its being compiled?
04:08:33	limescout	yes, I got it. A little typo in catagories didn't match up with the filename
04:08:49	limescout	thanks!
04:09:28	JdGordon	:)
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04:10:57	remlap	Good morning, looking forward to putting a stable release on my sansa clip+
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04:18:21	Guinness	I thought clip+ had been stable for a long while
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10:22:57	nick-p	I'm preparing to commit FS #12419 and had a couple of questions;
10:22:59	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12419 3Support for embedded cuesheets. (patches, unconfirmed)
10:22:59	nick-p	1) Applying it to a Sansa e200v2 (what I'm testing against) increases the rockbox.bin size by 856 bytes, is that excessive?
10:23:02	nick-p	2) I was hoping a kind soul would have a quick look through the last patch on the page,
10:23:05	nick-p	to see if I've made any rookie mistakes that would break other targets, or if I'm squandering resources (especially if the answer to 1 is yes).
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10:23:27	gevaerts	nick-p: 856 bytes seems reasonable for an actual feature
10:23:51	nick-p	gevaerts: phew, I've been trying to shave off bytes for a while now
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11:09:07	nick-p	oh well, here goes...
11:09:43	CIA-1	New commit by 03nick_p (r31321): FS #12419 : Support for embedded cuesheets.
11:12:47	CIA-1	r31321 build result: 122 errors, 4 warnings (nick_p committed)
11:13:08	nick-p	bugger. ok, bear with me...
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11:13:57	gevaerts	nick-p: given yesterday's red average, 122 errors isn't that bad :)
11:14:24	gevaerts	And of course you're not anywhere near the entries on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuildHighScores
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11:22:23	desowin	how to deal with debouncing GIO? I guess long delays inside signal handler are no-do
11:22:35	desowin	(signal = interrupt)
11:23:32	pamaury	desowin: use a timeout
11:23:42	pamaury	see how it's handled in sd for example
11:24:22	CIA-1	New commit by 03nick_p (r31322): Fix red?
11:26:59	CIA-1	r31322 build result: All green
11:27:27	nick-p	well that was nerve racking...
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11:29:31	gevaerts	nick-p: in the end it pays to have all toolchains installed ;)
11:29:59	nick-p	gevaerts: wise words!
11:30:01	ukleinek	nick-p: and I guess it answered your question about breaking other targets :-)
11:30:37	nick-p	ukleinek: bloody unused or is it mpeg.c
11:45:21	desowin	pamaury: I didn't realize kernel supports timeout, thanks
11:46:29	pamaury	desowin: it's no compiled in for some targets but since you probably already use it for sd...
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12:20:39	CIA-1	New commit by 03desowin (r31323): Sansa Connect: Disable USB clocks when disconnected.
12:23:10	CIA-1	r31323 build result: All green
12:27:14	remlap1	Guinness: Sorry for late reply the Clip the website said it wasn't stable?
12:27:22	remlap1	clip+
12:27:58	remlap1	wait I meant clip zip
12:28:01	remlap1	tired as heck
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13:01:04	desowin	Connect's OF somehow deals without IMGBUF clk (we need it for DSP to work)
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13:44:31	Misanthropos	since recently when skipping a track/starting a new track a klicking sound is heared (more left than right) - any ideas what could cause that?
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13:45:27	rarog	Torne: could you please sync git with svn again. :)
13:45:51	Misanthropos	i am using a clip+ with a r313xx rockbox
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16:45:11	SynrG	hm, my son complains with 3.9.1 (i'd upgrade him, only the player isn't here right now) that FM radio just freezes the player on his Fuze v2
16:45:16	SynrG	my daughter has a Fuze v1. no problem with radio there
16:45:24	SynrG	i'm not seeing anything about this in 3.10 release notes, nor in Flyspray ... have i overlooked something?
16:45:35	SynrG	i'll file a bug after upgrading to 3.10 if it has not yet been reported
16:45:52	rarog	This is the best thing you can do.
16:52:37	SynrG	are there any standards for format of info to appear in regional playlist submissions?
16:53:18	SynrG	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/FmPresetsAmerica/Halifax.fmr has Callsign Branding (Region) -format ... i think that's excessive, and Branding -format would be better (or omit format)
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17:25:00	gevaerts	SynrG: I have no idea if there are conventions for fmr files, but I'd say that it's easier to remove things after downloading than to add things
17:25:09	gevaerts	So I'd say add all data you have
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17:37:00	*	Mir is getting annoyed at the play all tracks feature
17:37:28	Mir	instead of doing it by track number it plays the tracks by alphabetical order
17:37:34	Mir	this pisses me off
17:37:58	gevaerts	You should use the database then
17:38:11	Mir	gevaerts: this is via the database
17:38:22	Mir	go to artist choose nevermore
17:38:28	Mir	play all tracks
17:38:42	Mir	IT DOES IT BY ALPABETICAL ORDER!!!!
17:38:44	Mir	>:(
17:38:55	Mir	its no different than Shuffle
17:39:23	Mir	and i 4HATE 1Shuffle
17:40:30	Mir	this makes listening to more than one album by an artist miserable
17:41:12	Mir	if i want to listen to the entire discogrophy of led zeppelin it does so alphabeticly
17:41:15	Mir	grrrr
17:41:46	*	gevaerts suspects that Mir wants to look into tagnavi_custom.config
17:42:12	Mir	o.o
17:42:32	gevaerts	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase#tagnavi.config_v2.0_Syntax
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17:42:43	gevaerts	I can't help much more though. I don't use the database
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17:50:51	SynrG	gevaerts: ah. then i might produce a pair of them. one to upload, one for use on my player with information removed.
17:51:11	SynrG	Region seems redundant to me though, in a regional fmr ...
17:51:18	SynrG	or are people merging these?
17:51:26	*	gevaerts has no idea
17:51:49	SynrG	is this a topic that should be discussed in a broader forum, then?
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17:52:23	SynrG	i'll tell you what i'm using as data though, the wikipedia list of channels for my region.
17:52:45	SynrG	supplementing that with info from the individual radio station web sites, if the wikipedia page is missing anything
17:53:03	SynrG	(though arguably, when that happens, i should just update the wikipedia page. hmm)
17:53:35	SynrG	this could all be automated with a scraper script
17:56:52	SynrG	then rather than hand-crafting and distributing these, the user points the script at a wikipedia page for their region, selects a format string, and hey-presto, instant .fmr with just what the user wants in it
17:57:53	SynrG	hmm. sadly, branding is missing
17:58:01	SynrG	see 1l homo milk
17:58:01	SynrG	3x cream cheese
17:58:07	SynrG	arrgh, mispaste :)
17:58:25	SynrG	see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_stations_in_Nova_Scotia for example
17:58:37	SynrG	and speaking of which. out for shopping. later
17:59:19	Mir	this isnt a complaint
17:59:33	Mir	but i cant get any radiostations on my clip or C240
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18:00:01	Mir	i cant get any radiostations on my Areial either when i had one :)
18:05:27	*	gevaerts would like to point out that we do take the topic seriously in this channel
18:14:35	SynrG	oh, i remember now. the individual radio station pages had branding
18:18:02	rarog	jlbiasini: ah, you uploaded my bootloader now... would you mind to bump the percentage of SD implementation to something higher? :D
18:20:06	jlbiasini	I think you should rather ask for writing right on the wiki. I cannot give them as I'm also a beginner here. But I'm working on the rockbox utility now
18:20:42	jlbiasini	anyway how do we have sd now? I thought there were still the booting issue?
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19:01:23	rarog	jlbiasini: paumary did the checkin yest
19:01:27	rarog	erday
19:01:43	rarog	and for me it didn't produdce any error at all
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19:02:02	rarog	and now it also offers me the internal storage and cd card when plugged in to usb.
19:02:17	rarog	so paumary seems to have done some more success.
19:03:11	rarog	The v3 bootloader in the bug report has sd support inside and latest daily build has it, too.
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19:04:30	pamaury	yes, one need to update the bootloader to have bootloader usb with sd, otherwise one will need to plug usb after the boot
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20:24:44	jlbiasini	I've got a question regarding the find_address utility: The example given seems to give some assembler's code as result. I never get those on my query. Is there any explanation for that? At the end of the example it says: "Don't forget to build with -g" what do I have to buid this way? -g doesn't seems to be an options for the configure script...
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20:28:58	wodz	pamaury: Am I right that your symbol patch works only for f+?
20:29:08	pamaury	wodz: yes but it's trivial to adapt
20:30:27	wodz	pamaury: how big is symbol table (aka binsize impact)?
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20:32:26	pamaury	wodz: ~40Kib
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20:40:08	lebellium	hey guys
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20:41:16	lebellium	on the Clip Zip with my theme, when I enable hold, I get the message "buttons locked" then it disappears but remains in the background (where I put no viewport I guess); Is that a bug?
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20:52:05	TheLemonMan	i think that theres a better way to disable storage other than setting CONFIG_STORAGE to 0
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20:53:22	gevaerts	TheLemonMan: why do you want to disable storage?
20:54:06	TheLemonMan	im trying to write some preliminary code for this board and dont really need it atm
20:54:25	gevaerts	You could use the ramdisk
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21:00:19	lebellium	hello bertrik : on the Clip Zip with my theme, when I enable hold, I get the message "buttons locked" then it disappears but remains in the background (where I put no viewport I guess); Is that a bug?
21:00:29	jlbiasini	lebellium: you're the one who made the fabulous samsung-like theme right?
21:00:36	bertrik	I don't know
21:01:10	lebellium	jlbiasini : the samsung-like theme yes, fabulous I don't know lol
21:01:57	lebellium	bertrik : whom should I ask to then?
21:03:26	jlbiasini	well I just notice a little thing that could be improved: if the cover art has the same color or nearly as the song info background (i.e. white) in the wps, then it is weird perhaps you could add atiny line as separator?
21:04:28	jlbiasini	I was also wondering if it is possible to theme this awfull button locked text with some image because this is clearly awfull on all theme! :D
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21:07:36	lebellium	jlbiasini : the problem is there is only 1px between the album art and the id3tag infos :S As for hold feature, the text is independant from the theme, I can't change that but I can display pictures/icons (like the lock icon in the status bar). I don't know if I can display a pic over this "buttons locked" text, I shoule try
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21:10:42	jlbiasini	on the sansa fuze+ original firmware the separation is handel by putting the progress bar between file's info and album covert
21:11:36	lebellium	ah you mean the 240*320 theme
21:11:46	lebellium	I thought you spoke about my Sansa Zip theme^^
21:12:10	jlbiasini	yes :)
21:12:28	jlbiasini	But the theme is already very nice
21:12:39	lebellium	thx
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21:13:37	lebellium	the biggest issue for me is the menu viewport that doesn't display full screen when the mini-player is OFF but I can't do anything about that until JdGordon includes his skins engine improvements into the SVN :S
21:14:17	jlbiasini	the locked button stuff is probably difficult because I never saw a theme that in any other theme
21:14:36	jlbiasini	*handle it
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21:15:58	lebellium	atm for the separator line, I suggest you to edit my WPS background pic, that should be easy but I can't imagine that to be beautiful :S
21:17:55	jlbiasini	yes I understand.
21:19:28	lebellium	btw, do you have the FM radion menu with Fuze+ or is it still missing?
21:19:32	lebellium	radio*
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21:21:02	jlbiasini	I had also an I idea about the wps displayed while no cover art are availlable: have the phono arm moving to show the position in the track!!! But I would be a mess for such a little result ;D No the radio is still under developpement on the fuze+: selecting it just crash rockbox
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21:24:26	lebellium	in the original R0 fw the vinyle is rotating but these pictures are in a proprietary format and there is no editor available as of today. So I took the pic from the R1 and it's not rotating... I don't master Photoshop enough to reproduce the rotation :S
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21:31:13	biopyte	Hi, I'm running rockbox on sansa clip+ and like it very much. however, there is one major issue with FM radio. Regardless what station, there is always the same specific background noise. Its a continuous ticking .... tick-tick-tick-tick, approx. 4 ticks/sec. this does not happen with the original clip firmware. obviously, its an rockbox issue. it would be fine if you could solve this in later versions.
21:31:27	biopyte	thank you
21:32:40	jlbiasini	biopyte: you probably should look if there isn't already a bug report on this and if not make one
21:32:53	biopyte	ok
21:33:13	jlbiasini	have a look here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php
21:33:18	wodz	biopyte: I think there is similar bug report on the tracker already
21:33:39	biopyte	really? ok, i check it out.
21:33:41	wodz	funman: tried to track down this ticking without luck to my knowledge
21:33:58	wodz	s/://
21:35:35	jlbiasini	FS #11915
21:35:36	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11915 3Background noise with Sansa ClipV2 (bugs, new)
21:36:05	jlbiasini	biopyte: is it this?
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21:37:50	biopyte	jlbiasini, not really, because i have this problem only with FM radio, not with music files
21:38:43	biopyte	its more like this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12050
21:39:13	biopyte	so its a known issue
21:40:03	biopyte	but not easy to solve, unfortunately ... anyway, listening to radio i boot up the original firmware, thats ok
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21:40:51	jlbiasini	yeah but feel free to do some test and add info to the tracker: it might helps debugging it
21:41:29	biopyte	its no issue listening loud rock music ... but with classic and jazz its a problem
21:41:48	biopyte	ok
21:43:45	funman	wodz: i think saratoga also had a look at it
21:44:25	funman	biopyte: is the tick present when you record FM ?
21:45:34	funman	jhMikeS: committed soem changes about recordign on sansa AMS, I am not sure if they affected recording. Are you running 3.10 or a current build?
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21:47:09	biopyte	funman i remember there was an background noise issue when recording FM with both ... firmware and rockbox. i dont remember if it was the same noise. however, recording FM never worked for me
21:47:31	biopyte	always background noise
21:48:25	funman	biopyte: which FM chip? (you can see it in the debug menu)
21:48:42	biopyte	one moment
21:49:48	funman	fm recording works for me on clip zip
21:49:52	biopyte	SI4700 ...?
21:50:42	biopyte	AMSv2
21:52:11	funman	current build?
21:52:41	biopyte	i dont need recording ... just clean listening would be fine
21:53:33	biopyte	version 3.9
21:53:44	funman	grab something newer then from build.rockbox.org
21:54:14	funman	i was asking about recording to help debug what's going wrong. but you should just try a current build to see if the problem was already fixed
21:54:56	biopyte	ok
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21:56:19	biopyte	3.10 then ...
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21:57:29	funman	biopyte: no, current build
21:57:33	Pitt	Hi everyone, I need help with unbricking sansa clip V1
21:58:01	funman	biopyte: http://build.rockbox.org/ grab the clip+ build (r31330)
21:58:18	funman	Pitt: how did you brick it?
21:59:26	Pitt	I stated it up, and suddenly it's saying "PANIC SD Xfer read err:0x8 Disc0" so I'm assuming it's bricked or some memory problem
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22:01:01	biopyte	how do i make an upgrade with the utility ... Installation - Install Rockbox?
22:01:51	gevaerts	Pitt: have you tried holding the power switch for 30 seconds or so?
22:01:52	biopyte	or first uninstall old version?
22:02:59	Pitt	I now have unsoldered battery
22:04:56	biopyte	ok, i press Install Rockbox .... your responsibility ...
22:05:03	biopyte	;-)
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22:07:27	Pitt	when I'm shortenig recovery pins and connecting player to USB nothing happend. But when I stop shortening pins the "PANIC" info cames back
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22:10:23	CIA-1	New commit by 03bluebrother (r31331): sansapatcher, ipodpatcher: use MinGW C99 version of stdio functions. ...
22:10:24	funman	Pitt: well stop everything you're doing
22:10:27	CIA-1	New commit by 03bluebrother (r31332): rbspeex, libucl: add rule to build DLL.
22:10:32	CIA-1	New commit by 03bluebrother (r31333): libtools.make: add rule to build a DLL. ...
22:10:41	saratoga	i would reboot into the sandisk firmware and check the file system for errors
22:10:48	saratoga	i would not recommending unsoldering anything
22:10:51	funman	Pitt: it is a software error, your player is not bricked
22:11:09	bluebrother^	shortening pins of a battery?
22:11:55	Pitt	OK. So can I do something?
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22:12:17	funman	press left button, press power. original firmware starts up
22:12:35	CIA-1	r31331 build result: All green
22:12:43	funman	perhaps the wiki should be moer explicit
22:13:13	funman	it's not possible to brick a sansa ams player. the only possibility is to change mkamsboot
22:13:47	funman	the sansa clipv2 is special though; but then i don't know if someone could unbrick it.
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22:14:25	CIA-1	r31333 build result: All green
22:14:36	Pitt	Thank you a lot :) I'll reassemble player and try to fix it
22:16:55	biopyte	funman: updated to the current build. the ticking noise has gone almost completely. i can here it only on one station with weak signal, but the noise is not so loud as it used to be with 3.9
22:17:22	funman	biopyte: all is good then :) before reporting a bug make sure that it happens in the development version
22:17:23	biopyte	funman: seems, as we have solved the problem ... thank you.
22:18:03	biopyte	alright
22:18:13	bertrik	hm, I don't know of a reason why the ticking noise would be quieter in a newer build
22:19:11	funman	bertrik: r31180 ?
22:19:59	biopyte	bertrik: i can definitely hear the difference. i'm listening to a smooth and silent jazz piece, no ticking at all
22:20:03	bertrik	oh, during recording
22:20:25	biopyte	no, not recording
22:20:32	biopyte	i can check recording
22:20:35	biopyte	one moment
22:20:40	funman	no, but i thought this change could affect fm playback
22:24:57	funman	all hail ot ãšçïî
22:25:33	biopyte	dont know how to save the FM recording
22:26:48	funman	yeah the (fm) recording interface sucks on the clips. anyway the manual should describe it
22:28:08	bertrik	I haven't tried it for a while, but my theory was that the ticking is caused either by i2c communication with tuner or by interference by a display framebuffer update
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22:31:20	funman	i think there were recent changes for i2c related to interrupts
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22:32:02	funman	bertrik: ah btw did i tell you that i get 23fps with mpegplayer on the zip. i don't know if it's realtime or if that means that we're too slow. the framerate seemed constant though
22:32:28	funman	let me urn the test plugin
22:34:09	bertrik	I think the maximum fps we can reach (limited by SPI speed) is 40.7 fps
22:34:52	CIA-1	New commit by 03bluebrother (r31334): Rename libchinachip to libchinachippatcher. ...
22:35:14	biopyte	funman: i looked in the wrong folder (files/record/fm). the recording files where in the files main folder
22:35:32	biopyte	so, FM recording is clean and nice ...
22:35:34	biopyte	cool
22:36:08	biopyte	i have also the impression that FM signals are stronger and sound is better. but that might also be an illusion .
22:36:21	biopyte	so, perfect ... thanks to you, guys
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22:36:44	CIA-1	r31334 build result: All green
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22:45:35	*	funman changed a bit http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Unbricking
22:54:21	funman	bertrik: 1/1 40.5fps 1/4 81fps YUV: 1/1 37.5fps 1/4 78fps. It's hard to read because YUV is drawn in the framebuffer instead of on the screen
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23:23:52	bluebrother^	why does rbspeex want to build rbspeex.dll.o if the rule building rbspeex.dll is already done and matched?
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23:38:25	dfkt	can i reuse the same image labels in wps, sbs, fms - or do they conflict?
23:39:11	lebellium	dfkt: they don't seem to conflict
23:39:57	dfkt	just asking cause i never actually tried it - but reusing them would make it more convenient :)
23:40:31	lebellium	I did it for my theme, copy & paste is more convenient indeed :p
23:41:51	ack	/win 9
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23:46:49	deute	is it normal that preparing the computer for compiling needs like more than 20 min? im new to rockbox development and i am trying to set up the compiler(using The Simple Guide To Compiling In Linux ). i ran ./rockboxdev.sh and it s like doing and doing for over 20 min.
23:47:02	dfkt	that's normal
23:47:07	deute	ah ok... fine
23:47:39	saratoga	we do provide a VB image that comes with the compilers already installed (very handy for windows users)
23:47:51	saratoga	well at least those with fast internet
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23:58:03	deute	yes but im just getting started with linux and i kind of like it... trying to avoid windows : )
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