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#rockbox log for 2012-01-02

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01:17:24jlbiasinibluebrother: FS #12503
01:17:26fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12503 3wrong key link in manual/rockbox_interface/browsing_and_playing.tex (bugs, unconfirmed)
01:18:19[Saint_]How is that "unconfirmed"?!?
01:18:35[Saint_]Seems pretty bloody easy to confirm to me ;)
01:19:05jlbiasiniI just commit it I didn't know I could choose if it is confirmed or not
01:19:14gevaertsYou can't
01:19:32gevaertsWe don't use that field much anyway :)
01:19:42[Saint_]Hum...seems rather meaningless info then.
01:20:17jlbiasinihow could I get some right to take over the svn before taking over the world?
01:21:21jlbiasiniare there specific way to get promoted?
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01:22:08[Saint_]Hang around, get known, submit patches...
01:22:46[Saint_]Svn access will come when people get tired of committing your patches :)
01:23:26jlbiasiniok I think I just have to keep harassing people with it... :)
01:24:16jlbiasinipamaury: you didn't forget my new keymaps for fuze+ did you? FS #12405
01:24:16fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12405 3Improve touchpad implementation for the fuzeplus's port (patches, unconfirmed)
01:24:45jlbiasinithe patch can be commited now... :D
01:26:38[Saint_]jlbiasini: and when someone sees it, assuming its correct and they're that way inclined...it'll most likely happen.
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01:43:03jlbiasinibluebrother: FS #12504
01:43:04fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12504 3manual/working_with_playlists/main.tex: hint both in note and subsection, same page same section (bugs, unconfirmed)
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02:42:57evilwombatHello. Does anyone have any recommendations on iriver h3xx battery replacement?
02:43:10evilwombatOther than "buy one on ebay and install it"?
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03:17:11mystica555_evilwombat: are you asking for product recommendations, or how-to tips?
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03:37:03evilwombatmystica555, anything you can recommend
03:38:31mystica555_evilwombat: ive done it a few times; once after buying a replacement from amazon (a Lenmar, it was the only thing i could get in 1 day turnaround as I had to be somewhere and needed the thing working) other times from old batteries from a lot of 4 broken/parts h320s i found on ebay
03:39:05mystica555_you don't need to remove the circuit board entirely to remove the battery ; its really hard to re-insert without removing however. ive not been able to.
03:39:22mystica555_the battery cable is hard to reinsert without removing the circuit board
03:39:39evilwombatmystica555_, thanks. do you know of any scams for counterfeit batteries, or will the first random amazon/ebay retailer generally be good?
03:39:52mystica555_ive not had experience with that aspect of it..
03:40:00evilwombatI realize this is hard to answer, but have there been cases of people being burned by fake batteries, etc?
03:40:01mystica555_id figure, if the ebay seller has good reviews, they should be ok
03:40:09evilwombatI suppose this works
03:40:17mystica555_if you buy it from amazon, you have a return policy
03:40:25evilwombatremoving the PCB should not be an issue for me, so it's mainly obtaining the pack that I care about
03:40:29mystica555_but often more pricy due to it being a specific branded (lenmar is common) battery
03:40:54evilwombatI will look for it. Thanks
03:41:09mystica555_you're welcome, and good luck! those are great old players
03:41:15mystica555_i need to get another battery for mine again now ;)
03:41:31evilwombatRadioshack has one for $50
03:41:36evilwombat(the battery, not the player)
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03:43:06evilwombatmy friend's car charger broke, and he gave me his h340
03:43:20evilwombatthe very same h340 i was borrowing when i wrote the midi codec
03:43:43evilwombatit still runs, but the battery has not been replaced in at least 5 years
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03:57:50mystica555_evilwombat: thatd definitely work; but i used to work at the shack..thats a 10x markup from their cost
03:58:42mystica555_not certain if there is one near you, but batteries plus has them as well at retail; same pricing..
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04:00:44mystica555_the radioshack one, if its a 55xx part number, is order-only
04:01:16mystica555_Model: PMPIRH1 | Catalog: 55024215
04:02:56mystica555_oh, wow.. maybe they dont anymore..
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04:40:36nosa-jis the Phillips GoGear vibe the same as the GoGear SA9200?
04:41:00nosa-ji was trying to install rockbox
04:42:29nosa-ji was trying to put it into recovery mode it seams to do the same things (like saying 'bye') so i was thinking they are the same
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05:15:17mystica555_id say theyre similar, but without knowing the products well enough, am nowhere near certain that they are compatible
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05:27:15nosa-jwell yeah i was thinking the same thing
05:27:47nosa-ji just thought i'd mess around with it
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05:45:09OsixIm trying out rockbox on my fuze+ (was waiting for battery charging). I used the Alternative bootloader v7 method with the 2 zip files. Menus look good. Although I think I might be missing something simple and stupid. When I go to play an ogg or mp3 (file browser) it immediately dies and goes to the next file then dies on that etc. Anyone know what I could be missing?
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06:40:50JdGordon|lovely.. clipplus sim seems to be crashing
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07:50:44kugelI'm very happy if FS #12502 can get some testing
07:50:45fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12502 3Rework powermgmnt for RaaA/Sim (patches, new)
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08:01:24JdGordon|kugel: do you know anythgin about the clipplus sim crashing when apparenytly doing the dircache scan?
08:03:24JdGordon|yeah, disabling dircache in the config.cfg makes it not crash on bootup
08:03:32JdGordon|segfault without much extra info
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08:07:32kugelJdGordon: doesnt crash here
08:07:47kugelbut it's unusually large, perhaps overflowing on your end
08:11:18kugel51k files while it should be 2400
08:13:08JdGordonarg
08:13:47JdGordonrockboxui: pthread_mutex_lock.c:62: __pthread_mutex_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed.
08:13:54JdGordonthats as much debug info as i can get
08:20:50kugelJdGordon: it does multiple scans here
08:21:13kugelsame file is 19 times in the cache
08:24:44kugelno time to bisect, unfortunately
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10:01:57kugelJdGord: hm, the problem on my system was a recursive symlink
10:02:16kugelthe cache has still more files that exist, but it's not an insane amount anymore
10:04:02JdGordShouldn't be any recursive symlinks in my dir, and it doesn't affect the other sims
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10:07:51kugelJdGord: I don't believe it's a clip+ specific issue
10:09:58kugelJdGord: you can add a printf in sab_process_dir() in dircache.c (the second implementation), to see on which object it dies
10:10:28JdGordOh goody
10:11:47kugelI also cannot reproduce the mutex thing you mentioned, with or without −−sdl-threads
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10:19:48kugelokay, the extra entries are for "." and ".." of each dir
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11:32:06lebelliumkugel: does the R0 autoshutdown when the battery is too low now? Or is there no security yet?
11:43:31kugelit should, but lorenzo92 reported it doesnt work
11:44:42kugellebellium: ^
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11:58:51kugelbluebrother^: I didn't understand what the task is about
11:59:26kugelno other problem with the task
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12:10:02CIA-88New commit by 03pamaury (r31518): fuze+: keymap cleanup, correction and simplification (FS #12504 by Jean-Louis Biasini)
12:10:19CIA-88New commit by 03pamaury (r31519): imx233: add AUDIOIN registers, cosmetics
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13:57:25dfktbertrik, would something like this be somewhat similar to implement like your meier crossfeed? - http://web.archive.org/web/20090212135307/http://refinedaudiometrics.com/products-clas.shtml
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14:12:00kugellorenzo92: found the
14:12:08kugelproblem with low battery shutdown
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14:37:02lorenzo92kugel: hi! Fine....and you know what? samsung finally released all the sources :)
14:37:36lorenzo92kugel: so now we have all the ioctls :D
14:37:57lorenzo92kugel: I just need to find the radio module, I guess they placed it in the kernel (hoping there is .... )
14:38:47lorenzo92kugel: but gpio, bat, button are there ;)
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14:41:37pamaurylorenzo92: that the moment you hate samsung because you spent hours reverse engineering the code :)
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14:55:57lorenzo92pamaury: exactly :D
14:56:54pamauryI had the same feeling when freescale release their elftosb code, I spent hours reversing their encryption scheme! But then you still get much more information with the source...
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14:58:19kugellorenzo92: what, where!?
14:58:23lorenzo92indeed, but it was interesting to do that anyway, let's say so :)
14:58:52lorenzo92kugel: yeah, but I cannot find source of keypad and radio module...better than nothing
14:59:03lorenzo92kugel: check the open source page
14:59:48TheLemonManthey might have shipped them as pre-compiled modules (like they did for the FTL module for me)
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15:00:11lorenzo92TheLemonMan: indeed, they are in the cramfs....
15:00:39dfktlorenzo92, i wonder if they released the source *because* they got notice of the rockbox porting efforts?
15:00:49TheLemonManthen IDA pro is the way, working with .ko files is a whole new world
15:00:54lorenzo92dfkt: aha don't think so :)
15:01:07dfktwho knows what lebellium tells them ;)
15:01:52lorenzo92dfkt: I'm in contact with lebellium....I just asked a question on the samsung open source site :)
15:01:57lorenzo92was too easy lol
15:02:02dfktheh
15:02:04*pamaury wondered too if freescale released some soure because of rockbox, since the timing was suspicious
15:02:40kugelpamaury: well, we both made inquiries
15:02:44lorenzo92bah, don't know. But in this new archive there are also some interesting things about the imx37 like a "ltib" library and something more + a pdf
15:02:48kugelso it's not unlikely
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15:03:08lorenzo92kugel: I re-asked it about 2 days ago :)
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15:03:20lorenzo92kugel: you can now retry asking for the radio module :p
15:03:45lorenzo92kugel: To send the question, I used the button near the old package, where the link to download is!
15:04:52lorenzo92kugel: pmu and gpio modules are interesting
15:06:35lorenzo92kugel: the "magical" ioctl request struct for the gpio :)
15:06:50lorenzo92I guessed correctly for the first one...
15:07:21lorenzo92now we can clean up our wrapper to commit headphone sense
15:08:33kugelthat's nice :)
15:08:49lorenzo92kugel: ahhhh! Now it's clear why charging works :)
15:08:53lorenzo92#if 0//move to bootloader
15:08:55lorenzo92afeInitBacklight();
15:08:57lorenzo92afeInitCharger();
15:08:59lorenzo92#endif
15:10:43lorenzo92kugel: hey for the afe.ko module the struct I used is fully correct :D
15:11:08CIA-88New commit by 03kugel (r31520): ypr0: Fix power off at low battery.
15:11:26CIA-88New commit by 03kugel (r31521): ypr0: Proper current values measured with battery_bench. ...
15:11:29CIA-88New commit by 03kugel (r31522): ypr0: Tiny cleanup in ypr0 config file.
15:13:07CIA-88r31520 build result: All green
15:14:24lorenzo92kugel: uhm I guess my zip is corrupt, that's why maybe I'm missing some sources....are you dowloading it?
15:14:55CIA-88r31522 build result: All green
15:15:16kugelI am
15:15:26kugelhowever I had problems with firefox. now doing it with chromiu
15:15:34lorenzo92kugel: uhm not, I'm pretty sure they haven't included some sources :(, anyway it fine enough hehe
15:15:36kugelit's huge
15:19:48lorenzo92yeah, there is a 400 mega zip file inside with patches etc about the imx platform, still not seen. But a maybe interesting thing is the regedit.ko: seems to be used to access i2c?
15:19:52lorenzo92not sure eh...
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15:45:42lorenzo92kugel: okay i cannot see: r0Btn, si470x and r0gpio.C (the headers are there, so not very important...)
15:46:12lorenzo92kugel: I (or you) should ask at least the radio module header!
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15:50:10jlbiasiniblubrother: 1) thanks for the commit. 2) what did you mean. by :"There's no need to add keyword lines. With the upcoming transition to git those won't be used anymore." on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492#comment42053 ?
15:50:43jlbiasiniwhat are those keyword lines?
15:51:03jlbiasinioups bluebrother
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15:52:14jlbiasinibluebrother: 1) thanks for the commit. 2) what did you mean. by :"There's no need to add keyword lines. With the upcoming transition to git those won't be used anymore." on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492#comment42053 ?
15:54:27pamauryjlbiasini: I committed your last keymap patch
15:54:38bluebrother^jlbiasini: keywords are those lines with $Id: <something>$. They are replaced by svn automatically if the svn:keywords property is set
15:55:12bluebrother^we won't be using keywords anymore once we're switched to git
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15:59:12jlbiasinipamaury: thx I'll just saw it! I have a new idee about a counter on the volume up key to avoid the problem with this key being sometime interpreted as power up
15:59:44pamaurywhat do you mean ?
15:59:47jlbiasiniIt is something very much like those counter I once set on the two_finger_button
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16:00:11jlbiasinisome time volume up get interpreted as power up
16:00:13lorenzo92kugel: sent another request to samsung :)
16:00:34jlbiasiniI suppose this is because of the same line it use as you explain in the code
16:00:43pamauryyou mean power ? what "power up" stands for ?
16:00:57jlbiasini<yeah excuse me power!!
16:01:03jlbiasini;)
16:01:03pamauryI never noticed such a thing
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16:02:29pamauryI can't see what could you do, if it happen then it's a pure hardware problem
16:02:46jlbiasiniit happens when one use a lot power key. in the touchpad test screen this is also why it get sometime back to the debug menu
16:03:14jlbiasiniin normal use it is not often noticeable
16:03:39jlbiasinibut if you mess a little with volume in WPS it can lock your device
16:04:00jlbiasiniand if you use those key a lot in game it can be very annoying
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16:05:45jlbiasiniMy idea is to set a counter that force this signal to be interpreted ad volume up if a volume key was pressed in the last 10 seconds or if the last key pressed was a volume key (i'm not tottaly sure I have to run test about it)
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16:07:01jlbiasiniin fact the problem mosty occurs while continuously pressing the volume key: at some point it stop volume up and do power unstead
16:07:04pamaurythat sounds wrong, typical usage: press power to lock, press power to unlock, adjust volume and lock again -> the final power will get interpreted as volume up
16:07:57jlbiasinioups good point
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16:08:27pamaurySomething like that is more acceptable: if there is a power<->volume transition (ie volume up is hold and power up is hold) in a very short time (<20ms ?), then ignore it
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16:09:10jlbiasiniok
16:09:33jlbiasiniI'll will try with that then thanks for the idea
16:15:16jlbiasinibluebrother: thank I understand now. regarding fuze+ manual everything in getting_started and rockbox_interface is ready for the svn. Or should all resting file for fuze+ manual be commited in one patch?
16:17:35bluebrother^jlbiasini: I usually prefer patches that are smaller if they contain everything necessary for the change. That makes it easier to try and review them. But there's no technical reason to split it up :)
16:19:54jlbiasiniactually it could usefull because someone is going also to reread the manual and it will easier to have less file in it
16:20:24jlbiasini*be
16:20:31bluebrother^you can always post separate patches on the FS task −− or create a new task for it.
16:21:23jlbiasiniah yes right I will commit to separated patch then. I sometime prefer the complicated way :D
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16:32:05jlbiasinipamaury: bluebrother^: while writing the manual I also find out the we have to put a mkimxboot/ on the server with compilated version for win OSX ans linux32/64
16:32:31pamaurywhy ?
16:32:48jlbiasinibecause of the manual installation
16:32:50pamaurymkimxboot is not meant for normal use, it's clearly an advanced tool no ?
16:33:18pamaurydo other mk* have a version on the server ?
16:33:25bluebrother^depends on what you consider "advanced"
16:33:26jlbiasiniyes
16:33:30jlbiasiniams
16:33:54bluebrother^and if you consider manual installation "advanced" (which I do, so it does make sense to have them on the server)
16:34:02jlbiasinimkamsboot in on the server (or at least should be according to the manual)
16:34:10bluebrother^in either case, just the manual mentioning them doesn't mean we have to provide binaries.
16:34:49pamauryif mkamsboot is on the server then why not, although I'm not convinced something which can't build them will have a use of them
16:34:51bluebrother^and manual installation is disencouraged anyway
16:34:59pamaury*someone
16:35:01pamaury*who
16:35:44bluebrother^well, ipodpatcher and sansapatcher work fine for normal end users. All other tools haven't been adjusted to that kind of "user-friendliness" AFAIK
16:35:54jlbiasinimkamsboot manual installation claims that the user has to download the version for his os
16:36:05jlbiasiniso I guess those must be binaries
16:36:30bluebrother^we could also go and remove the manual installation instructions completely from the manual. But that has the drawback that if someone does have problems using Rockbox Utility there is no documentation around anymore.
16:36:45bluebrother^and having this documentation in the manual can be useful for developers as well.
16:36:47pamauryhum, I'm lying, there is *one* advantage to having them as binary: mkimxboot can build a recovery sb file
16:36:53jlbiasiniI just made the manual section be like the ams one but i can cut it out if you rather prefer....
16:37:12bluebrother^personally, I like having manual installation instructions in the manual.
16:37:45bluebrother^it might make sense to move manual installation out of the installation chapter and put it in some "Advanced: manual installation" in the appendix. To make clear normal users shouldn't try it.
16:37:46pamauryok, I do not object :)
16:38:09bluebrother^but since that would mean adjusting all manuals I would keep it as-is for now :)
16:38:30jlbiasiniwhy did it need to adjust all manual?
16:38:34bluebrother^might be interesting to get others opinions on that as well −− I'm not really working on the manual these days
16:38:48jlbiasinithis only goes in the new IMX233_install.tex
16:39:37bluebrother^well, if we move the manual installation instructions in some appendix it should be the case for all manuals. Not just one. Otherwise maintaining it would be more work, plus people should be aware where to point users in case of problems −− either some appending or the manual installation instructions in the installation section.
16:39:51bluebrother^having this depending on the target is a *very* bad idea IMO
16:39:59[Saint]Huh? If you move the Manual Installation somewhere else...it makes sense to move it for all.
16:40:06[Saint]bah, too late :)
16:40:11jlbiasiniah yeah I get it this is all for the ceremonial rituals of our good community good: consistency :D
16:40:25gevaertsjlbiasini: these aren't ceremonial rituals
16:40:37[Saint]Its common sense ;)
16:40:40jlbiasiniyeah I know I'm just joking
16:40:59bluebrother^jlbiasini: consistency is *always* good and important
16:41:40jlbiasiniyes I tottaly agree...and soOO boring to implement
16:42:00[Saint]It is?
16:42:14bluebrother^I don't mind you being bored :P
16:42:35bluebrother^making things consistent can be quite interesting though ;-)
16:42:48jlbiasiniI don't mind either as far as it is usefull and this definitivly is.
16:43:04*bluebrother^ would like to get more things consistent but fails to find enough time for it
16:43:17*[Saint] too.
16:43:44[Saint]the various differing values for selection in some parts of Rockbox piss me off
16:43:44jlbiasiniwell there a lot to do about it in the manual
16:44:32[Saint]for instance some settings only let you select units of 1, others units of 5, others units of 10 (I think)...it annoys me.
16:44:37bluebrother^a complete rework of the manual would be a really good thing imo. Unfortunately that's a *lot* of work
16:44:43[Saint]I'd like to change them all to units of one.
16:45:17*bluebrother^ has a couple of issues with the Rockbox Utility code he'd like to unify
16:45:18jlbiasiniI don't understand why we have a general keypad file and then plenty of conditionnal section like : if this device those keys
16:45:56[Saint]Because different devices have different keys/layouts.
16:45:56bluebrother^making ipodpatcher build as lib instead of compiling its files directly was at least one step. That was bugging me literally for years
16:46:00*jlbiasini would like to help on Rockbox Utility and manual
16:46:28bluebrother^personally I'd like to see pretty much all \opt{}s in the manual depend on features.
16:46:47bluebrother^and not some FOO_PAD or player-bar
16:47:00jlbiasiniexactly
16:47:08bluebrother^as I said, a complete rework of the manual would be a good thing IMO :)
16:47:32jlbiasinifirst I would make all keymap rely on keymaps tex file
16:48:05jlbiasinithen I would have those keymaps file automaticly generated from those in rockbox code
16:48:12bluebrother^that would be a good first step
16:48:18[Saint]You can do it while you write the RaaA manual :)
16:48:32bluebrother^that automatic generation ... I guess that would become rather hard.
16:48:46jlbiasiniwhy?
16:49:06bluebrother^because the source code doesn't have "nice" strings to be displayed in the manual
16:49:30bluebrother^and I bet there are other snakes to hit on the road
16:50:06bluebrother^another thing I want since long is to use the C preprocessor for the manual instead of the optional package. That's unfortunately a problem, since cpp inserts newlines
16:51:28bluebrother^on removed text that is
16:51:34jlbiasiniI just come out one mouth manual and keymaps stuff and I tell it to you: this has to stop. This is such a pain and could be unified and automatised! It worth definitively a try
16:52:14bluebrother^what exactly has to stop?
16:52:21jlbiasinithird step would be a tool to created keymap in rockboxui
16:53:22bluebrother^someone updating the Theme Editor would also be a good thing :D
16:53:26jlbiasinito have to write andless keymap file in the code, then to translate it into latex, then to find out where there are still missing keymaps link in the code
16:53:47[Saint]And allow users to lock themselves out of things by messing up the keymap? Sounds fun.
16:54:12jlbiasinilol
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16:54:24bluebrother^[Saint]: I don't think he was talking about customizable keymaps
16:54:52jlbiasinino that would be the 4th step
16:54:59jlbiasiniin 10 years or so...
16:55:02jlbiasini:)
16:55:08bluebrother^argh :(
16:55:19bluebrother^building mingw-cross-env on OS X failed yet another time.
16:55:34bluebrother^something is messed up with macport on this machine :(
16:56:06*[Saint] hates the idea of customizable keymaps with a passion. Its just begging for support issues.
16:56:15bluebrother^indeed.
16:56:28bluebrother^though to _some_ degree we have that: customizable hotkey
16:56:35bluebrother^customizable quickmenu
16:56:47[Saint]You can't say to someone who accidentally changed the language: "press button X 4 times, then Y twice...etc"
16:56:49bluebrother^s/quickmenu/quickscreen/
16:57:05bluebrother^"press red button 3 times" :)
16:57:25jlbiasinicostumizable keymaps should be resetable to standart. period
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16:57:43[Saint]And how do you do that, if you fuck up the keymap?
16:57:59bluebrother^customizable keymaps shouldn't be implemented. Period as well :)
16:58:09[Saint]Amen.
16:58:25[Saint]There's a reason its not there already...its not because its not possible.
16:58:36[Saint]Its a support nightmare.
16:58:52jlbiasiniI didn't look the code for customizable keymaps but I thing that anything that as to do with that should end in config.cfg
16:58:55bluebrother^that brings up the interestig question which keymap to write the manual for :D
16:59:12jlbiasiniand if you restet setting this should beresetted as well
16:59:27jlbiasinithe standart one
16:59:49[Saint]Alternatively...you could leave a system that works well alone? ;)
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17:00:13bluebrother^why do we need customizable keymaps anyway?
17:00:20[Saint]We dont.
17:00:33jlbiasiniwell we re talking about stuff I would implement in 10 year
17:00:34pamaurythe only place where we could need it is in plugins, for games
17:00:38bluebrother^creating usable keymaps is something that isn't easy. I bet most users won't be able to do that in a sensible way _at all_
17:00:57*[Saint] nods.
17:01:00bluebrother^in 10 years there aren't DAPs around anymore
17:01:02jlbiasinibluebrother^: good point
17:01:55bluebrother^the future of Rockbox is some librbplayback (and a couple of others) that is employed by e.g. a native Android application
17:01:58[Saint]I'm interested to hear the answer to "why do we need custom keymaps, and what will it achieve...who benefits from it, and what is the benefit?"
17:02:31[Saint]People that bring it up usually haven't looked at the complicated balet that is our keymaps.
17:03:41[Saint]Blocking, context sensitive keys, situations where X must be pressed before Y...its really amazing it even works now.
17:04:13[Saint]If a user managed to make a halfway usable custom keymap, I'd congratulate them sincerely.
17:04:22jlbiasini[Saint]: I just spend over a mouth on writing those for fuze+ and I keep adding correction every week! It's just that on some device like touchpad there are a lot of possibility with gesture
17:04:57*pamaury was bored after two hours of writing the initial keymap ! :)
17:05:09jlbiasinibut as a matter of fact having several hotkey would be rather a better way to solve this
17:05:24[Saint]Let alone writing it with your mouth! that must have ben hard! :P
17:05:30[Saint]*been
17:05:50jlbiasinipamaury reason why we definitivly need a simulator ui to generate keymaps
17:06:12jlbiasini[Saint]: good point also
17:06:16[Saint]I still don't see why.
17:06:23[Saint]Its not something you need to do often.
17:06:27[Saint]Once its done, its done.
17:06:49pamaurywho knows what will happen in the next 10 years :) But I do not completely agree, one drawback of phones over mp3 is size and weight. I admit there aren't many situations where you can't/don't want to query a phone though
17:07:05bluebrother^well, making the sim output the available buttons depending on the context could be useful
17:07:20[Saint]Query? I *interrogate* my phone! :)
17:07:34pamaury*carry
17:07:36pamaury:)
17:07:39jlbiasini[Saint]: you don't but if every time you spare this time for implementing new target, that is quite a speed up
17:08:02bluebrother^pamaury: I don't think non-phone devices will go away completely. But devices won't be as dedicated anymore −− think of the Ipod Touch. The audio player is pretty much an application.
17:08:19bluebrother^same would be on any other PDA-like device without phone
17:08:20pamauryeven an ipod touch is too big
17:08:57pamauryonly really small devices have a future, I think
17:09:03bluebrother^Nano 6G is way smaller but still similar to the Touch
17:09:27[Saint]its 7 now!
17:09:32[Saint]it got slightly larger.
17:09:40jlbiasiniI can't wait for a playstation3 emulator but it rather be a rockbox application in the ps6
17:09:42pamauryright, but on really small devices you can't do much things !
17:09:47bluebrother^I don't know the details, but from using it (had a chance to play around with one for a couple of minutes recently) it's pretty similar to the Touch. No wireless though :)
17:10:34[Saint]bluebrother^: Yeah, I got sent one via the Apple Replacement Program...they ran out of Nano1Gs.
17:10:39[Saint]I'm not a fan of it.
17:10:55[Saint]Pinch gesture on a one inch screen is ridiculous.
17:11:05pamaury[Saint]: that's progress!
17:11:21[Saint]I'd rather I got something I can hack on :)
17:11:58bluebrother^well, you _could_ do a lot of things on such a device. CPUs are powerful enough. The only limitation is screen size and number of buttons
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17:12:05bluebrother^[Saint]: 6G or 7G?
17:12:14[Saint]7
17:12:20bluebrother^oh :)
17:12:30bluebrother^can you add the USB ID to DeviceDetection then?
17:12:34[Saint]I thought it was a 6G when I first looked at it, but then I noticed the box.
17:12:40pamaurysize is still a limitation, just considering power dissipation and battery size (and if you add things like wireless)
17:13:08bluebrother^the 6G had something like "Ipod Nano 6th Generation" in the USB string
17:13:15[Saint]bluebrother^: Sure, I'll fish it out this afternoon.
17:13:24pamaurybut I admit that even on small devices, the trend is clearly to put linux :)
17:13:24bluebrother^great, thanks
17:13:43bluebrother^pamaury: or OS X, if you're Apple ;-)
17:13:59*pamaury hopes Apple will have died in 10 years :P
17:14:03[Saint]I assume that's wanted for "You're trying to install Foo on a Ber, Bar is not supported"?
17:14:07[Saint]bluebrother^: ^
17:14:42bluebrother^OS X 10.6 isn't that bad. The thing I dislike most is the attitude of Apple
17:15:15pamaurythe day someone puts windows on a DAP, we'll have become crazy :)
17:15:38bluebrother^W8 is said to support ARM ...
17:15:47bluebrother^and btw, the Beast does run Windows.
17:15:55pamauryit's wince ?
17:15:58bluebrother^yeps
17:16:03pamaurythat's not quite windows
17:16:06*[Saint] winces
17:16:38bluebrother^it has Windows in it!
17:16:45bluebrother^(and it's dog slow)
17:18:54bluebrother^or rather "Windows Mobile" as it identifies itself
17:19:03TheLemonManis there a quick way of seeing what asm is outputted for a specific piece of code ?
17:19:25bluebrother^try −−keep-temps in the gcc call
17:20:02bluebrother^sorry, -save-temps
17:20:22TheLemonManthe dma hangs forever if i dont put a printf between it and the previous function call
17:20:23bluebrother^for foo.c you'll then get a file foo.i
17:20:35TheLemonManill try when i get home, thanks :)
17:21:17bluebrother^ah, and you get foo.s
17:21:26bluebrother^just had to verify that from the gcc manpage :)
17:21:33pamauryTheLemonMan: dma on which device ?
17:21:42pamauryperipheral rather
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18:30:12K0DD4ZI can not get RockBox too work, and it is impossible to reinstall the original firmware, so it is basicallt non-working.
18:31:32dfkthold the left button while connecting it to usb, then it will boot the stock firmware
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18:36:29*bluebrother^ can now build Rockbox Utility libs on OS X without doing everything twice :)
18:38:12bluebrother^now to make that working with cross compiling for Windows as well
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19:00:38riekhey there. my old sansa e260 with rockbox broke and i don't know which mp3 player to buy, can anyone recommend me a good rockbox player?
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19:41:12fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12500 3/./ is invalid when not using dircache, so HOME_DIR breaks things (bugs, new)
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19:57:28dfktis the rockbox "cube" logo available in higher resolution somewhere? the logo that's used eg. in the silk and tango icon sets
19:57:30saratogais support for the fuze+ already in the svn version of rbutil?
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20:05:54funmancan ep0 be used for IN and OUT transfers simultaneously ?
20:11:06lorenzo92kugelp: it would be interesting to enable multi-keystroke in the R0: so I wait for samsung if they can release both r0Btn + si470x sources, otherwise we could have a try using directly r0GPIO module to read keypad ;)
20:12:17pamauryfunman: depends on wat you mean simultaneously
20:12:27pamauryyou can configure both IN and OUT transfers yes
20:13:21pamaurybut on the wire, there is only transaction happening at a given time, and there are several transactions in each frame (basically each for one ep+dir)
20:16:35funmanin usb driver logic
20:16:44funmanwe save e.g. status / active state by endpoint
20:17:06funmani wonder if ep0 can be active in both dirs at the same time and if we need to save state by endpoint, by dir
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20:20:58kugelplorenzo92: good idea
20:24:25pamauryfunman: yes, for ep0 you need to track both direction
20:25:21funmanok
20:25:35funmani wonder why it works without it for nano2g
20:26:31pamauryof course if you prefer you can enforce a certain order since anyway all transaction on ep0 have to be: setup,in/out/out/in(ack)
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20:35:43lorenzo92kugelp: did you see the sources? :)
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20:47:05jlbiasinipamaury: FS #12405 new patch to get the power and volume up act correctly
20:47:05fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12405 3Improve touchpad implementation for the fuzeplus's port (patches, unconfirmed)
20:48:09jlbiasinitested on touchpad screen, on rockboy tetris and wps
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20:54:56kugelplorenzo92: some of them
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21:26:39saratogabluebrother: once fuze+ support goes in, it would be nice to do another release
21:26:47saratogathe zip and fuze+ are increasingly popular targets
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21:28:27gevaertsi
21:28:29gevaertsgah
21:28:30gevaertsI
21:28:35*gevaerts apologises
21:29:14gevaertsI've been thinking about not waiting too long with 3.11 too. We've had a lot of new features even between branching and releasing...
21:31:34gevaertsBut then we took an entire month between branching and releasing
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21:41:50pamauryjlbiasini: your patch is fine except that I would prefer a comment to explicit the fallback in the switch
21:46:05jlbiasinipamaury: fallback in the switch? what do you mean?
21:46:44jlbiasinipamaury ok*
21:46:52jlbiasiniI get it
21:51:04pamauryjust add /* fallback */ after the if(...) break;
21:54:29kugelpfall through you mean?
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21:59:53jlbiasinipamaury: ok I did not understood it ;) so done.
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22:06:10pamauryyeah, fallthrough, sorry
22:06:18jlbiasiniarg
22:06:55jlbiasiniok can you modify it in the file directly before commiting?
22:07:15pamauryyes
22:07:32jlbiasinithanks
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22:34:33[Saint]kugel: Do you happen to know what's needed to add ffwd/rwd to the .sbs?
22:35:04[Saint]Not being able to seek in all screens is starting to annoy me.
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22:56:57bluebrotheris the git mirror not updated automatically?
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23:12:03*jlbiasini just find out about the plugin keymaps nightmare both in code and manual... :/
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23:14:30saratogashould it be nearly the same as the clip?
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