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#rockbox log for 2012-01-10

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00:02:51gevaertsZagor: something like http://paste.debian.net/151605/
00:03:00gevaertshttp://paste.debian.net/151605/
00:03:05gevaertsshould work
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00:03:57Zagoryeah, something like that
00:04:15gevaertshm, I forgot .gitattributes in the final move
00:04:45gevaertsbhttp://paste.debian.net/151607/
00:05:44gevaertsIt should be safe enough not to touch anything that looks like it might not be a clean rockbox tree
00:06:16bluebrother^ah, for converting an existing working directory to git?
00:06:28gevaertsyes, for build clients mainly
00:06:39gevaertswell, "converting" isn't really what it does :)
00:06:42bluebrother^sounds useful :)
00:06:59gevaertsMore like a controlled demolition and rebuild
00:07:10bluebrother^hehe :)
00:07:43TorneOK, have emailed rockbox-dev and posted on the forum :)
00:07:53Torneanywhere else i should copy the annouyncement to?
00:10:11*bluebrother^ could give the gerrit css thingy a look given more time
00:10:18Tornebluebrother^: it's pretty low priority
00:10:21Tornebut feel free if you want :)
00:12:14bluebrother^well, I want to get TTS in Rockbo xUtility working first.
00:12:33bluebrother^or better, figure what's going wrong there. That bug is standing quite too long these days
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00:13:14bluebrother^I would really like to implement SAPI directly, but MinGW doesn't have the necessary bits :(
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00:26:20TorneSupSuiliaKene spamming forums currently :)
00:28:07JdGordonand banned
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00:34:45*amiconn noticed today that something has changed between ~r31000 and r31638 that causes the very first voice output after boot (from a .talk clip in the first directory) to produce garbled sound
00:34:58amiconnOn H1x0 that is
00:37:52pamauryfunny, if I run test_mem with an implementation of memcpy using the DCP it's 2 times slower but running a DCP memcpy on a 2 megabytes buffer is several order of magnitudes faster than software
00:40:12pamaurythe dcp is faster starting from a few kilobytes, probably before of the overhead of the setup
00:40:35bertrikdcp?
00:41:13pamaurydata co-processor, it has a dedicated dma and can do memcpy without the cpu (among other things)
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01:07:15jhMikeSi.MX31 can do that too without the DMA ever actually looking at the data itself. I never tried it out though to see if it was worthwhile
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01:45:01JdGordondoes anyone have gerrit rights to mark all those open tasks as abandoned?
01:47:16gevaertsDo we need to do that? Presumably the sandbox will stay for people to play around in
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02:30:01TorneJdGordon: i wasn't intending to abandon them, no
02:30:16TorneJdGordon: the sandbox can stay there for people to fiddle with; when there are actually some real changes they won't stand out so much :)
02:35:35JdGordon ok
02:37:37Tornethe list of all changes is basically irrelevant anyway; you aren't expected to browse it
02:37:51Torneyou only really want to care about things you created or are reviewing
02:38:31Torneif there's sandbox changes you created you can abandon them yourself; if you got added as a reviewer to someone else's hassle them to remove you or abandon it :p
02:39:12JdGordonoh, how do we get the list of avialable branches that anrt pulled automatically?
02:39:29Torneyou can look at all the refs on the server with ls-remote
02:39:41Tornerefs/oldheads/* are branches that are very ancient
02:39:49Tornethere's also refs/changes/* which is Gerrit changes
02:40:06Torneand refs/meta/config which is the actual gerrit project config
02:41:13Torneso yeah, oldheads/* is the only thing that exists that you don't get by default
02:41:42JdGordonhaha I was about to complain that git ls=-remote shows nothing... turns out i was in the wrong directory :)
02:42:47Tornegitweb knows about them but doesn't list them anywhere, also
02:42:56Torneyou can edit one of the other urls to display their history
02:43:23JdGordonim looking for zagors lcd api changes branch but cant find it :(
02:43:24Torneit does *see* all refs, so if a commit pointed to by any ref shows up on some page it will have a link for the tag/branch/whatever
02:43:29TorneIt's not on there
02:43:46JdGordonit didnt get moved across?
02:43:59Tornei haven't pushed it to the server
02:44:09funmanJdGordon: hi
02:44:15Tornewhen he's around i expect we will do soemthing with it
02:44:23JdGordonok
02:44:25JdGordonfunman: hi
02:44:27Tornebut i suspect it makes more sense to flatten the branch and push it as a change
02:44:33Tornerather than keep it as a branch head
02:44:37JdGordoni was going to ask for exactly what you want with the debug menu?
02:44:49funmanJdGordon: the idea is to extend it from the target tree
02:45:22funmanso we have a symbol declared weak, which can be either NULL on sume targets
02:45:31funmaneither non-NULL on other targets
02:45:59funmanthat symbol would point to a table of menu entries (name + function) which should be listed in the debug menu
02:46:11JdGordonso i have a problem with this...
02:46:14TorneJdGordon: i'll find some time to write up instructions/policy on posting changes for review soon, and then turn permissions for that on, then see what zagor wants to do with his branch
02:46:22JdGordon1) the debug menu should be removed as its useless post bringup
02:46:36Torneit's useless to some people
02:46:37JdGordon2) i dont agree they should be in firmware
02:46:39Tornenot to me :)
02:46:50funmanshould they be a .rock?
02:47:12Tornefunman: that'd work for things that poke the hardware, but not so well for things that display rockbox internals
02:47:48JdGordonthings that poke hardware are completly useless for debugging when shit happens
02:47:53funmanJdGordon: what do you mean for 2) ?
02:48:13Tornethings that poke at hardware are pretty useful for gathering data when you happen to have a weird usb charger someone has to try out
02:48:41funmananyway the menu is there atm and not scheduled for removal afaik
02:48:52JdGordonfunman: if its in firmware/ it means it has to directly use the lcd_* drawing functions which is really annoying
02:49:09Torneah, yes
02:49:12Tornethat's a reasonable point
02:49:27Torneseparating the UI from the target-specific "what values am i supposed to be displaying" might be nice
02:49:31JdGordonthat is a problem with most of the debug screens already
02:49:41JdGordonexactly what i was about to say :)
02:49:53Tornemany of the hardware specific screens are just lists of label: value
02:50:00JdGordonhave firmware returns a list of name:value pairs and i'll make a generic display screen
02:50:01Tornethat's pretty easy to abstract the UI away from
02:50:08Tornezomg
02:50:14*Torne shares brainwaves with JdGordon
02:50:25JdGordonI'm not compeltly wrong for a change :)
02:50:28funmanJdGordon: some bits should move to firmware anyway, no?
02:50:52TorneJdGordon: i don't generally approve of removing the whole thing in normal builds
02:50:56Tornepotentially in releases?
02:51:02Torneand maybe parts of it are a bad idea
02:51:23Tornebut it's useful to be able to tell people, even on supposedly finished ports, to go do xyz in the debug menu to stop dynamic cpu boosting from happening
02:51:28Torneto narrow down issues/whatever
02:51:31JdGordonbefore the last 2 releases we've talked about removing it in release builds, but nothing came of it
02:51:42Tornewe could just make it not show up until you press something :)
02:51:51Tornei.e. "hide" it
02:52:24*Torne has to go sleep, tho
02:52:25funmanyeah i think it's going to be needed just when we remove it
02:53:18funmanJdGordon: not sure all debug screens 'give a list of name:value pairs'
02:53:26JdGordonfunman: do you want to add more screens? or move the existing ones?
02:53:38funman(re?)move existing ones
02:56:06JdGordonim not sure i see the point in moving the code out to firmware.. yes debug_menu.c is huge and a mess, but its mostly unchanged
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03:00:28JdGordonfunman: on my ipod video, all the hardware specific items are (close enough to) name: value pairings
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03:02:45JdGordonwe can probably push the list drawing api back through some simpole debug api to firware
03:03:16JdGordonget_debug_screen_count(), get_debug_screen_name(int id, char* buffer)
03:03:44JdGordonget_debug_screen_line_count(int screen_id), get_debug_screen_line_text(int screenid, int line_num, char* buffer)
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03:22:44funmanwell no need for functions
03:23:04funmandebug_screens[] = { "foo", "bar", NULL };
03:23:50JdGordonah yes
03:24:11JdGordonstill need the line_count and line_text functions somehow
03:24:21funman'mostly unchanged' => until new ports contribute their crap to it
03:24:26JdGordonIf it moves I don't want any drawing happening in firmware/
03:26:22funmanagreed
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04:26:23saratogaapparently my git doesn't have the "set-url" command listed on the wiki, is there another command I can use?
04:26:48funmansaratoga: gedit .git/config
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04:26:58funmangit: 'set-url' is not a git command. See 'git −−help'.
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04:27:23funmansaratoga: ah it's git remote
04:29:49saratogafunman: under remote origin I would add a line like "push = ssh://user@gerrit.rockbox.org:29418/rockbox "
04:29:58saratoga(just guessing from the syntax of the file)
04:30:11funmanit's pushurl =
04:30:17funmanwhich version of git do you have?
04:30:35saratoga 1.6.3.3 1.6.3.3
04:30:42saratogaopps
04:31:40funmana bit old i guess
04:31:59funmanwhich ubuntu version you run?
04:32:13saratogakarmic maybe?
04:33:08funmanhttps://launchpad.net/~git-core/+archive/ppa but not sure if it'll work on karmic
04:33:37funmanyeah they have 1.7.7.1
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04:53:01saratogafunman: so does "git push" send the changes to gerrit?
04:53:43funmanyeah
04:54:01funmani mean no i hope it pushes to git directly
04:54:42saratogaso what was I doing when I installed the gerrit hook into my git client?
04:59:20funmansomething which will modify commit log when you push
04:59:30funmani don't know much about gerrit
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05:02:11funmanwhat i call 'gerrit' is the interface where non-developers send their patches using git, but it's probably more complex
05:02:32saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GerritDemoGuide
05:02:48saratogaapparently I can push to either
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05:42:17JdGordonsomeone should probably fix the frontpage to say that the commit log is currently down :)
05:43:51jhMikeSdoes the push also merge?
05:44:12JdGordon?
05:44:35JdGordongit wont let you push if it cant merge successfully.. just like svn
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05:45:10jhMikeSok. I'm wondering why my sandbox commit isn't showing on the gerrit site but is in the repository
05:45:11JdGordongevaerts: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,30076.0.html did we still want to do a quick 3.11? or should i backport that fix and do a 3.10.1?
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05:59:26jhMikeSheh, well, I'll just assume everything is working until someone tell me it's all screwed up for weeks :)
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06:07:47*funman pokes CIA-15
06:08:06JdGordonCIA-15 hasnt been fixed yet
06:08:31funmani assume http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox/ will be fixed at the same tim
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06:12:21funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit#Applying_a_change_from_someone_else_40like_translations_41
06:12:52JdGordonsmarty pants!
06:13:50funmanhttp://translate.rockbox.org/problems.php?lang=russian "Identical English and translation" -> some of them might not be translated at all...
06:14:05funman"WavPack" ?
06:14:30funman"PictureFlow" ? is it the name of the plugin or the feature?
06:15:33JdGordonplugin
06:16:11funmanthen how can you translate that at all? plugin names are all in englis
06:17:10JdGordonso dont
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06:17:46funmanwell don't tell *me*
06:18:47funmanwow we have 5 "german translations" on the tracker
06:18:57JdGordonI tihnk we should nuke some of the very outdated langs
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06:19:11funmanwhy?
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06:49:13funmanthey don't take much place and are a good starting point if anyone wants to translate again
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07:36:20evilwombatI can report SanDisk 8GB Extreme3 card - working fine with AJBrec and H3xx as an HDD replacement.
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09:01:12Tuggersdoes anyone know where I can find a chart that lists ARM instruction latencies?
09:01:23Tuggerslike the "TIM" column on this page: http://6502.org/tutorials/6502opcodes.html
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09:11:45funmanARM architecture reference manual might help, you can find it on arm info center
09:12:34funmantry google for DDI 0100I ARM DDI 0100Iperhaps, it seems to
09:12:46funmanbe the reference of that document
09:16:20Tuggershttp://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0100i/index.html
09:16:31Tuggers"This document is only available in a PDF version to registered ARM customers."
09:16:33Tuggers:(
09:17:09funmanregister on the website then?
09:17:34Tuggersit says customers though
09:17:47funmanor google for ref + pdf ..
09:17:55TuggersI was able to find this: http://www.scss.tcd.ie/~waldroj/3d1/arm_arm.pdf
09:18:00TuggersSo I guess that's it
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09:23:28Tuggersthank you
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09:24:39kugelsaratoga: I don't understand the comment change in r31643
09:25:19kugelthe table is simply "HZ/x"
09:29:00kugelfunman: you should have waited for a German committer instead of just pushing
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09:59:23ukleinekfunman: which architecture version do you need the documentation for?
09:59:35ukleinekfunman: the earlier revisions are easier to get hands on
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10:00:04ukleinekah, v5 should be OK with a registration
10:12:38funmankugel: true but well the updates were piling in flyspray
10:13:06funmanukleinek: i don't need any doc
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10:14:31funmankugel: is there a problem with the translation though?
10:14:53ukleinekfunman: ah
10:15:03ukleinekTuggers: ^
10:15:34kugelfunman: yes
10:15:49kugelit's flawed like the other ones
10:16:23funmanwhy did
10:16:31funmann't you guys commented on the tracker?
10:19:03kugelsaratoga, Torne: I failed to change that asm to not use sp this way
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10:26:12gevaertsJdGordon: I'd still like an "early" 3.11. Realistically I think it's very unlikely it can be done before the end of the month though.
10:30:28Zagorthe rockbox release calendar is missing entries for 3.11
10:31:34gevaertsYes. I'll add those as soon as we know more
10:32:14gevaertsI'd like to have the build system up and running and able to do builds from the release branch before we make detailed plans
10:33:06Zagorhuh? we've never had the farm to release branch builds.
10:33:10Zagor*do
10:33:13gevaertsEnabling reviews for the branch might be a good idea too, although maybe that's too early (as in a release branch just before a release may be too critical to use as a learning thing)
10:33:17gevaertsI know
10:33:41gevaertsI'd still like it though :)
10:34:08Zagorsure, it'd be nice but it's not a good release blocker
10:34:19gevaertsTrue
10:38:34gevaertsI do think autobuilding the release branch (and making the builds available as RC through rbutil) would help getting better releases though, and while there are a number of details to sort out to get that done I don't think there's anything major, so I believe it's worth it to spend one or two weeks (with a deadline, if it's not done then we go ahead with the release the old way) to try to sort it all out
10:40:58ZagorI'm not sure I think this is the right time for this. I rather think 3.11 should be a normal on-the-clock release to contrast from 3.10. also it will be our first git release so we'll probably have more issues than normal anyway.
10:42:57funmanhttp://rogerdudler.github.com/git-guide/
10:45:24gevaertsOn the clock would be early March
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10:47:19funmanZagor: what can we do for cia / build system to be back the soonest?
10:48:32Zagor1: test run gevaerts convert script, 2: rewrite the client & server to add CONVERT2GIT command, 3: code review server to identify svn-specific spots, 4: fix #3 issues.
10:49:03ZagorI haven't looked at CIA yet, but that should be trivial
10:49:47Zagor(with "rewrite" I meant "adjust/improve")
10:49:53gevaertsThere's also the commit ML
10:50:16Zagorand the web site scripts. but that's not the build system :-)
10:50:35kugela convert script?
10:50:51funmanwhere are client & server source?
10:50:59kugelwouldnt it be easier to ask peopel to manually convert?
10:51:13Zagorkugel: no, it will take weeks
10:51:17kugela script could be tricky, e.g. if git isn't actually installed
10:51:27Zagorand roolku will spank us
10:52:05Zagorthe script is done, it just needs verification and some extra eyeballs
10:52:24funmanah they are in www/ it seems
10:52:24kugelalright
10:52:35Zagorfunman: yes
10:55:25Zagorall client admins have been notified about our git transition months ago, and should have installed git then. but yes, the script should of course check for that.
10:55:40funmangevaerts: why not (cd ..; rm -fr checkout; git clone ...) ?
10:55:57Zagorbecause current dir contains rbclient files
10:55:59gevaertsfunman: it's basically that, but with some added subtleties and checking
10:56:19gevaertsShould I commit the script somewhere?
10:56:22funmani mean the rm part at least
10:56:28funmanwhy not delete the full directory?
10:56:52Zagorfunman: <Zagor> because current dir contains rbclient files
10:57:00gevaertsBecause then we have no client scripts left
10:57:04gevaertsAnd we need those :)
10:57:07funmanok
10:57:23kugelcan git reuse the svn checkout as to not redownload?
10:57:28funmanno
10:58:04funmanall the info is in .git/ and this info is not in svn checkouts
10:58:23gevaertsAnd my proposal to add .git to the svn repository was rejected :)
10:58:24kugelthen wget it :)
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10:58:50Zagorwe don't want any special fixes. just a plain clone
10:58:50gevaertshttp://paste.debian.net/151647/ is the current state
10:59:44kugelgevaerts: perhaps check if git installed?
10:59:57wodzZagor: do we have on TODO changing irc viewer to autoupdate with recent browsers?
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11:00:02Zagorfunman: that's a nice link. please add it to UsingGit!
11:00:10funmangevaerts: `svn st -v −−depth=immediates` instead of the dirs="" perhaps ?
11:00:24Zagorwodz: I have a websocket version, but websocket is still a bit too new
11:00:43Zagori.e. browsers don't implement the same protocol draft
11:01:03gevaertsfunman: maybe. On the other hand this is really a one shot script to be run on the current unchanging tree
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11:01:40Zagorkugel: example?
11:02:12funmangevaerts: your script looks alright to me
11:02:13kugelkugel.org">http://www.kugel.org
11:02:13wodzZagor: I found this https://freepository.com/ajax-logtail-viewer/ajax-logtail-viewer.php which should be easy to adopt and compatible with most browsers
11:02:24kugelnow look at the irc viewer
11:02:31funmanother items all require some perl fu :(
11:02:34kugelmc2739 tried to fix it but didn't manage
11:03:01gevaertshm, the mkdir isn't needed I think
11:03:38gevaertsAnd doing the git clone before the rm -rf would provide an implicit check if git is installed
11:04:03kugelit'll checkout into the the repo name (without .git) by default
11:04:27Zagorkugel: ah, good example
11:04:37gevaertsIt has an explicit directory specified
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11:05:01Zagorwodz: that's a poller. I'm not so fond of that approach.
11:05:41gevaertshttp://paste.debian.net/151649/
11:05:41wodzZagor: me either but the lack of autoupdate with reasonably recent browers is rather annoying
11:11:26wodzZagor: Which browsers work with your websocket version?
11:12:00Zagorwodz: it would be more tolerable if it used http ranges instead of downloading the whole file every second
11:12:24Zagorwodz: none anymore, I just discovered... :-) chrome has changed draft version since I last checked
11:15:28evilwombatHas anyone ever tried putting not one but two batteries inside an H340?
11:16:39evilwombatA CF card is considerably slimmer than the HDD, and you don't need the big rubber thing anymore. It seems like there ought to be room for another battery pack (and mine would fit stacked 2x if I shaved off the little plastic offsets), but would the charging controller be able to handle two packs in parallel?
11:18:19gevaertsevilwombat: the iaudio X5L does something like that, so it might work. I know nothing about batteries though
11:20:38wodzevilwombat: putting two li-ions in parallel is possible but in theory charger should do cells balancing
11:21:08gevaertsIt might be safer to get one bigger battery
11:21:27wodzit is for sure to be precise :-)
11:21:29evilwombatHmmm. It seems like the battery pack already has a small PCB on it, where the leads attach. So, I am not sure how to get individual cell balancing, especially if they wear at different rates
11:21:50wodzevilwombat: thats the point
11:21:56evilwombatI am reluctant to get anything other than what is specified by Lenmar, since cheap chinese knockoffs tend to catch fire
11:22:43Zagorcell balancing is mostly theory. laptop batteries are always multi cell connected as one.
11:23:25gevaertsYou can still buy from resellers or manufacturers you like, you "only" have to find a battery of the right size (which was designed for another device)
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11:24:10*gevaerts guesses that when going for two batteries it's a good idea to get two equally new ones?
11:24:29evilwombatYeah. Well, they would effectively be about 2 weeks' use apart
11:24:51evilwombatbut in a fully discharged state, would they exceed the supply current capacity of the charger and blow the FET or something?
11:25:04wodzZagor: ah, and I found this http://www.ape-project.org but I guess its overkill
11:25:09wodzevilwombat: no
11:25:33wodzevilwombat: all sane charger circuits have proper current protection
11:26:22wodzevilwombat: you may face the problems with fully charge such beast though (due to the current limits and charging timeout)
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11:33:19evilwombatWell, thank you for the info. I will think about this
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11:45:58canitdoes rockbox run on adroid well ?. this DAP will combines a hi-end amp and mp3 player and it'll run android http://anythingbutipod.com/2012/01/ibasso-dx100-android-audio-player-announced/#more-5313
11:49:14wodzcanit: rockbox works pretty well on android. The issue is that rockbox UI doesn't fit nicely with what majority of android users expect
11:50:48GodEater_and has to be built for each specific resolution of android device, which is a PITA
11:52:10canitif rockbox is sponsored a unit (DX100) will it speed development for a custom UI ?
11:53:59GodEater_it certainly helps - but there are no guarentees
11:54:22Zagornobody is working on a custom android UI today. we have a few paths to get there but there's a lot of work either way.
11:54:31gevaertsI doubt it. I think those who want to work on the android port already have a device
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11:55:57Zagorrockbox does work quite well on android, but has to be compiled for each specific resolution
11:56:30Zagorthat's one reason why haven't released an android build publicly
11:58:19canitThanks for your candid replies. hopefully the manufacturers will release that DAP with a custom rockbox android build
11:58:42Zagorthat would be interesting :-)
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12:09:01TorneMorning folks
12:09:03Torneany issues? :)
12:10:37pixelmameh, there's a German update been pushed while one can't even see those changes yet (except by git pulling)? :\
12:10:46jlbiasinibluebrother^: the bootloader for fuze+ is now on the server. I've made a patch to add the fuze+ to tools/builds.pm: FS #12526 but even with it rockbox utility still display fuze+ as unknown preventing from doing full installation... am I missing something? (reminder: manual patch new version ready here FS #12492 could you commit it / tell me if something is still wrong about it?)
12:10:48fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12526 3put Fuze+ in unstable (patches, unconfirmed)
12:10:48fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492 3add fuze+ manual (patches, unconfirmed)
12:11:17pixelmaand I also thought that there was some kind of agreement on languages where we have native speaker committers
12:19:55*GodEater_ hasn't had a chance to check the git repo out yet
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12:33:18wodzpixelma: you can web browse our git tree git.rockbox.org IIRC
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12:37:33Tornepixelma: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master
12:38:20Torneis what you want for now :)
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13:40:38JdGordongeso definitly not doing a 3.10.1?
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13:44:44JdGordongevaerts: so definistly not doing a 3.10.1?
13:45:05gevaertsdefinitely not definitely
13:45:14JdGordonI wont bother figuring out the commits to port across
13:45:43gevaertsI know how *I*'d like to time the next release, but that doesn't mean there's a consensus for that
13:47:46JdGordonrelreases don't need consensus... they need doers
13:48:57gevaertsYes and no. I'd *really* like to use not-yet-available infrastructure for the next release. I can't do all of that on my oen
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13:56:10Tornegevaerts: i would hope that if we can get the build system to build from git at all, that going an extra step and allowing special-request builds to be submitted is not going to be a large extra step
13:56:36JdGordonhell yes!
13:56:48JdGordontest build massive commits so we dont need fix yellow/red commits
13:57:18gevaertsJdGordon: you mean so you don't need to do any test builds yourself?
13:57:40TorneWell, given the performance of the build system we could probably stand to do ao reasonable number of test builds
13:57:48Torne:)
13:57:58JdGordonthere are so many builds that its basically pointless, if it takes me 25min to be 100% sure I wont cause red I wont bother when the system can do the same in 3 min
13:58:12JdGordonI'm 100% sure I'm not alone there
13:58:25gevaertsSeriously though, it's a bit more than that. The stable RC (and final) builds need to be uploaded too, preferably with corresponding elf files
13:59:35Tornegevaerts: sure, but the builds already get uploaded
13:59:45JdGordonthat shouldnt block the release though... just because it would be nice to do doesnt mean its really that important
13:59:50gevaertsJdGordon: sure, test builds can help, but I'm a bit worried that some people *will* commit without any testing at all
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14:00:25Tornegevaerts: all you need to do, surely, is have a way to set VERSION, and have a way to store the uploaded builds in a different location
14:00:35Torneit doesn't need to be open to arbitrary people for test build purposes right now
14:00:49gevaertsJdGordon: It *is* that important. Doing RC builds and uploading them takes a *lot* of time, and without rbutil integration they're unlikely to get testing
14:01:01JdGordonoh RC builds sure
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14:01:30gevaertsAlso release builds. They're not really different
14:01:39TorneWell that's the idea of an "RC"
14:01:45Tornethey should be the same as releases :)
14:02:09gevaertsTorne: VERSION should be handled by the build command. I'm assuming that stable and trunk don't use the same builds file, so that's not an issue at all, really
14:02:31Torneright
14:02:39Torneanyway, step 1 is get it able to continue building trunk
14:02:48*gevaerts nods
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15:30:41jlbiasinikugel: all: any comment to FS #12529 ?
15:30:42fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12529 3Lamp plugins PLA integration (patches, unconfirmed)
15:31:29jlbiasiniIf the patch get accepted I will edit manual accordingly
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15:37:39gevaertsjlbiasini: I suspect it's better not to try to add a specific mr500 mapping. The generic touchscreen code should work fine for it
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15:39:02jlbiasiniok I didn't know that it was touchscreen this explain a lot!
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15:39:44gevaertsI actually wonder why the lamp plugin has a special case for it
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15:40:12jlbiasinigevaerts: what about ONDAVX747? is it also with touch?
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15:41:06gevaertsI think that's also touchscreen, but it might have more physical buttons
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15:41:32gevaertsThe mr500 only has one button (power) and a remote with more. I happen not to have the remote :)
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15:43:26jlbiasiniI search the whole code for the button-target.h to know about the keys I could use, now I know why I didn't found anything! :)
15:44:08gevaertsThe fun thing is that the hard reset key combination on that thing uses remote buttons
15:45:40jlbiasini...who need that anyway! a tennis ball do as good as a remote hard reset :D
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16:02:25sparker781hey all
16:02:37sparker781so rockbox is not available for ipod touch?
16:03:31gevaertsno
16:04:15sparker781bummer
16:05:31sparker781any alternatives?
16:07:46gevaertsNot that I'm aware of, but I don't follow the ipod touch (or iphone) world at all
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19:31:31ProdicusAnybody home? The site said to ask on IRC about getting wiki edit permissions. Anything I need to do other than just ask?
19:33:30n1sProdicus: did you register in the wiki?
19:33:55ProdicusYep. user name DanielJensen.
19:34:07n1sdo you promise not to spam?
19:34:31ProdicusOf course.
19:35:16Prodicus(I know that's a common problem with automatic-registration wikis, but do you really get spammers coming in here asking for edit permissions? weird.)
19:35:31n1sOk, done!
19:35:51ProdicusThanks!
19:36:10n1sno i don't think any spammer has done it but iirc we decided to ask people to promise when we set this up (because of spam problems)
19:38:12n1sIf you get a page asking you to click ok to confirm your suspicious change, don't worry i think everyone gets them
19:38:34ProdicusHm. Though I show up on the WikiUsersGroup page now, I'm still getting this message: "Access Denied. Attention: Access check on Main.TargetStatus failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web. If you recently registered here, have you asked to be added to the WikiUsersGroup yet? You cannot edit anything until you are. Ask, in IRC preferrably, an existing user to add you. This is done...
19:38:36Prodicus...for spam reasons."
19:39:27pamaurywhere is the lcd_write_yuv_420_lines function actually used ?
19:39:40n1spamaury: mpegplayer i think
19:40:12pamaurywhen I grep for lcd_write_yuv_420_lines in firmware/, I don't see any use
19:40:30n1smpegplayer isn't in firmware/
19:40:51pamauryin firmware/ there are only def, in apps/ there is not use
19:41:17n1sthen i dunno
19:41:21n1sProdicus: that's weird
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19:41:51pamaurythe plugin api exports lcd_blit_yuv which doesn't use lcd_write_yuv_420_lines
19:43:00ProdicusTried again and it's working now; must have just needed another moment to get the update or something. Thanks.
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19:45:04n1spamaury: some lcd_blit_yuv implementations use it at least
19:45:11pamaurywhich one ?
19:45:11n1sx5 for example
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19:46:23n1sand h300, and ipod video
19:46:28pamauryarf, it doesn't have the standard name, it misses the _
19:46:48pamaurythat's weird that we have both lcd_write_yuv_420_lines and lcd_write_yuv420_lines
19:47:20pamauryok, my mistake then
19:48:21ProdicusA couple months ago I installed Rockbox on a relative's Clip+; it worked like a charm.
19:48:27ProdicusSo last month I tried installing it on my own Clip v2 (using the automatic installer), and it bricked it.
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19:48:35ProdicusGiven the current Clip prices and a previous disappointing experience I've had clumsily trying to solder teeny parts on a graphics card, I just wrote off my Clip as a loss and asked for a new one for Christmas (I received a Clip Zip).
19:48:49ProdicusThe Clip page does say there's always a risk of bricking and "The risk seems particularly high for certain hardware variants of the Clip V2," but it's easy to miss, and the problem isn't mentioned anywhere in the port status, hardware status tables, etc.
19:49:00ProdicusI didn't notice it until after I'd already bricked it; I felt like the port status/hardware status tables had lulled me into a false sense of security.
19:49:02Torneyou almost certianly haven't actually bricked it unless you've tried very hard, no?
19:49:16Tornedespite the warning it is pretty uncommon
19:49:24n1spamaury: it seems from a quick glance that the extra _ is a typo in the comment and the exported symbol doesn't have it
19:49:37pamauryyes, I'm going to fix that
19:49:45n1sprobably someone made it years ago and everyone copied that header
19:50:18ProdicusHm. Well, I followed all the normal steps for the firmware upgrade, it said "firmware upgrade in progress" etc and then wouldn't ever turn on again no matter what I did. I certainly wasn't trying to brick it.
19:50:26TorneProdicus: I also can't find that text anywhere :0
19:51:08Torneah, there it is
19:51:13TorneSee the red text lower down the same page
19:51:14ProdicusIt's only on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
19:51:57ProdicusAlso says Other: Clipv2: a small fraction of c200v2 players cannot successfully be flashed with rockbox for unknown reasons.
19:52:29ProdicusNotably: "If you are not willing to disassemble your player, consider using a model other then the Clip V2 with rockbox. "
19:53:04ProdicusIf I'd noticed that I wouldn't have tried it. My soldering skills aren't up to dealing with these teeny things.
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19:54:15Tornefunman, saratoga: you guys evidently disagree about the safety of flashing the clipv2
19:54:29Torneoh, saratoga isn't here, nevermind
19:54:52Tornefunman: you added the text to SansaAMS stating that you can't brick it by accident; this conflicts with saratoga's previously added warning elsewhere on the same page that the clipv2 is particularly risky
19:54:55ProdicusAnyway, I was wondering whether it'd be OK if I did a couple of things to make the warning more visible- put it on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaClip and make some kind of reference to it in the port status table, at least a footnote or something
19:55:24TorneProdicus: unless someone who knows more about the AMS port disagrees, i am inclined to believe that the warning is mistaken and it is, in fact, fine
19:55:52ProdicusUh, my Clip is not, in fact, fine. Period. It won't turn on.
19:56:03TorneHow long has it been that way?
19:56:25ProdicusSince I flashed it three weeks ago. Battery was fully recharged when I flashed it.
19:57:39Tornethree weeks should probably be enough for the battery to die, alas
19:57:43Prodicus(It may have been four weeks now)
19:58:02Torneif you plug headphones into it does it make any noise while you plug them? e.g. faint noise/crackling through the phones indicating that the port is powered
19:59:03Prodicushadn't thought to try that. You think things might be OK except the display?
19:59:22Tornethey can often look like they are off when they have, in fact, just hung
19:59:39Torneseveral weeks should've been long enough for th ebattery to die, though
19:59:45Torneso this may not be the case for you
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20:00:12Prodicusit wouldn't have been just hung, I did try to reset
20:00:15Tornebut basically everyone who comes in here with a "bricked" clip has been able to "fix" it by either holding the powerr button longer to get it to reset (it can take a while), or by waiting for long enough for the battery to die
20:00:24TorneWe're not convinced that the reset is actually reliable on that hardware
20:01:12Prodicushmm. I held that power button a pretty long time hoping for the resurrection of the dead :\
20:01:24Torneanyway, i'm not saying it isn't broken for you, i'm just noting that out of dozens and dozens of people who come and ask about bricked clips I don't recall *ever* seeing one that actually was
20:01:46Torneso if yours is, in fact, bricked then you are significantly more unlucky than the average :)
20:02:43Tornemost of the warnings about potential bricking devices are more in the vein of us being careful to forewarn people with all relevant knowledge, rather than any actual belief that the process has a measurable risk
20:04:12ProdicusI know it's usually just a CYA rather than foretelling a serious risk, but given my experience and the warning about v2 I came to think it was more
20:05:42Torneanyway, you may want to stick about and see if anyone else can suggest anything; i don't know a lot about them :)
20:07:21n1swasn't the worst case having to pop it open to short some pins that triggered a recovery mode of some kind?
20:08:05Torneyes
20:08:11ProdicusJust found the player (which I'd set aside with a heap of other nonfunctional hardware); no headphone noises on insert/removal, no difference after trying the power button, nothing happens when I plug it into a usb port.
20:09:14n1sif it was just hung the battery is probably flat so it might need a bit of time to charge before you see anything
20:09:19Tornen1s: but every time i've seen someone talking abotu that it's generally appeared that it wasn't, in fact, required
20:09:29Torneand they wasted their time/made it worse/etc
20:09:44ProdicusI did see the detailed page of instructions on debricking (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaClipV2UnbrickingTutorial) but I do not "Have solid soldering/unsoldering skills of fine wires in a crowded space" as the tutorial requires
20:09:58n1sTorne: yeah
20:11:04Torneah, yes, the points to short are underneath the soldered battery
20:11:12Torneinconvenient :)
20:11:17ProdicusI wonder whether the reason you haven't seen more of this problem is because most people either had v1 clips or the clip+
20:11:18Tornethe other AMSes it's accessible without a soldering iron
20:11:24TorneProdicus: No, loads of people ahve the clipv2
20:11:36Tornethey've been on sale much longer than the v1 was, iirc
20:11:57Prodicusor maybe it was a particular hardware sub-revision or sommat
20:12:10n1sPossible
20:12:49Torneanyway. i would leave it plugged in just in case it *was* stuck and has now drained the battery all the way; it should hopefully manage to charge to the point where it can attempt to boot *something*
20:12:57Tornebut the prospects don't look particularly great
20:14:28Torneas for updating the wiki to make this clearer, i would wait for opinions from funman/saratoga :)
20:16:05ProdicusOK. How will they be informed they need to weigh in? Will they read this log, do I send some info to one of the mailing lists, or what?
20:17:10gevaertsThey read logs
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20:27:02ProdicusIf it might be any help in pinning down the problem and either fixing a bug or finding a particular hardware sub-revision to warn people about, I'd be willing to send my bricked clip to somebody for dissection. Not like I'm going to get further use out of it.
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21:25:37fmlHello. How can I create my personal git fork of the RB repository? I want to host my fork on github.
21:26:17bluebrotherfml: clone the Rockbox git repo, add github as remote, push to github.
21:29:07bluebrother(I don't think there's an official Rockbox git clone on github yet)
21:33:54fmlbluebrother: if I only knew how...
21:34:28fmlI've created a local copy, but how do I add github as remote?
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21:38:09bluebrotherfml: git remote add github <repo url on github>
21:38:22bluebrotherreplace github with whatever name you want to use for github
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21:47:38fmlbluebrother: do I have first to create an empty repo on github? Or will it be created with the command above?
21:50:10bluebrotherfml: you create the repo on github first.
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22:03:07lorenzo92kugel: I've seen you added something to git to be able to release automatic builds of rockbox?
22:04:06lorenzo92kugel: probably the new git is an occasion to set it up finally, if possible and easy in few time of course :)
22:04:23lorenzo92kugel: this would mean, possibly, more testers....
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22:05:40Zagorlorenzo92: ?? we've had auto build for years
22:06:24lorenzo92kugel: ops sorry :D you misunderstood...hehe...Was speaking about the samsung YP-R0
22:06:26lorenzo92:)
22:06:37Zagorah
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22:29:27fmlDo we have a Tex macro to typeset links to Flyspray entries?
22:31:22bluebrothernot that I'm aware of. If it should be in preamble.tex
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22:31:38Zagordo we really want bug reports in the manual?
22:32:27fmlZagor: a reference to one, maybe. I'll upload a patch in a minute, and you'll see why I'd probably need such a link.
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22:39:07fmlFS #12530 has been created
22:39:08fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12530 3Add a note and a warning about the location for recordings (patches, new)
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