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#rockbox log for 2012-01-16

00:01:36jlbiasiniI have the disableMMC windows is that a problem?
00:01:53pamaurythat's normal in the recovery bootloader
00:02:27pamauryjlbiasini: if you are ok with it, we could see if trimming the unused block of the mmc helps, but that will require more work to do so
00:02:43jlbiasiniok
00:02:58jlbiasinitell me
00:03:21pamaurywe can't do it now, but that's a more long term interesting question
00:03:50pamauryso, are you done with installing the bootloader ? at which step are you ?
00:04:12jlbiasiniI looking for what is the device to install in
00:04:24pamauryuse fdisk
00:04:41pamauryyou must install it on the partition with type 0x83
00:04:46jlbiasiniyeah but I have 4 partition there
00:05:11pamaurythere is only one with type 0x83
00:05:19jlbiasiniI bet this is the one that is 1024 bit!
00:05:51jlbiasiniall the other are fat12
00:06:00jlbiasiniso I can go on
00:06:12pamaurydon't forgot to skip the first 4 sectors with dd !
00:06:18pamaury*forget
00:07:01jlbiasiniI'm NOT sending any dd command without your confirmation anyway! :)
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00:09:59jlbiasinipamaury: dd bs=512 skip=4 if=rockbox/buildboot/firmware.sb of=/dev/sde2
00:10:08pamaurylooks ok
00:10:16pamaurythe important bits are there are least :)
00:10:43jlbiasiniseems it works and then umount?
00:10:49pamauryyes
00:11:32jlbiasiniwell of course it wasn't mounted! :D
00:12:16pamaurystupid of me
00:13:50jlbiasinihum this din't changed anything...
00:13:57jlbiasinistill dualboot
00:14:21jlbiasinistill booting from mmc
00:14:46pamauryhmm, that would mean that even the firmware partition is not written ?!
00:15:04jlbiasiniwow
00:15:25pamauryok, we'll see tomorrow, perhaps the night will help :D
00:15:35jlbiasiniwhat about a mmc controller dead?
00:15:46jlbiasiniyeah good night thanks
00:15:56pamauryunlikely, since it reads, but yeah perhaps too many bad blocks
00:16:08pamaurygood night
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00:19:05funman[Saint]: ping
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00:23:25funman[Saint]: can you test funman/rockbox.zip">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/rockbox.zip on your nano2g and tell me if usb still works?
00:24:42[Saint]I can, yep, not immediately, but I can indeed. I'll dig out a nano or two when I get home.
00:25:10[Saint]I should probably post a few to willing devs, I'm hardly using them.
00:26:16funman[Saint]: good idea, tell me how much is shipping to canada
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00:50:45scorcheright then - forums upgraded to the latest security release for 1.x SMF - let me know fi you find any issues
00:52:15saratogais it possible to make it so that the spam software deletes posts completely (e.g. makes then not still appear in the "Last post" field)
00:53:57[Saint]Or "recent posts"...that's the most, and least (due to spam) useful view.
00:54:18scorchesaratoga: there is no options or settings for akismet - the issue with that is that the implementation and porting of the akismet spam detection to the SMF forums is...sub-par
00:55:06scorchesaratoga: someone would need to dive into the code of SMF and the akismet package (all packages for SMF are basically just diffs) and modify it to "work nicer"
00:55:49scorcheso, yes it is possible, but i dont see it getting done anytime soon unless you are volunteering =)
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01:51:43*[Saint] wonders if there's some form of configurable delay for forum topic notification.
01:52:36[Saint]Getting notified of a reply, to follow through, to find out it was spam and has been removed...is bloody annoying.
01:54:03[Saint]It would be really nice if there was some form of "wait to see if its going to be removed before notifying" thing.
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06:11:39WilliamCI sometimes feel like Rockbox plays the same songs too often even though I have it in shuffle mode
06:12:05WilliamCAny suggestions, or is it just an issue with random numbers?
06:13:19JdGordonit means you've got the same track in the paylist multiple times
06:13:36JdGordonrockbox's random is shuffle, so it will never play a track twice unless its in the playlist twice
06:13:44WilliamCI never created a play list
06:13:54WilliamCIt probably created a dynamic one
06:13:57JdGordonyes
06:14:18WilliamCWhat does the repeat feature do?
06:14:26WilliamCI can do "All" "Shuffle" etc
06:14:43JdGordonit will reshuffle at the end of the playlist
06:14:50WilliamCoh
06:15:04WilliamCI need to add more music to it also
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07:02:51funman[Saint]: LambdaCalculus37: any luck with funman/rockbox.zip">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/rockbox.zip on your nano2g ?
07:03:20LambdaCalculus37funman: Still charging the nano. I'll try again in the morning.
07:03:40*[Saint] still hasn't been home yet. :/
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08:58:15Mirwoot... just won this −−> http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=9195746
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09:51:44wodzfunman: what do you want to get tested on n2g?
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12:40:46jlbiasinipamaury: I'll be around here this afternoon if you want to test stuff on my broken mmc let me know!
12:41:40pamauryperhaps tonight, today I have to finish something very important at work
12:41:50jlbiasiniok no problem
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13:46:14pamaurygevaerts: by chance, do you know if usb msc devices can implement TRIM in a standard way N*
13:46:15pamaury?
13:47:45gevaertsno, sorry
13:48:37Zagorpamaury: MSC is basically SCSI-over-USB
13:49:03pamauryI know, but scsi is a huge piece of spec
13:49:17pamauryfurthermore, host may not support any scsi spec over usb
13:49:45pamauryand it depends on the scsi version of course
13:50:20pamauryI think most usb msc are scsi spc-3 + sbc-3 but I might be wrong
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14:08:50pamauryI hate that scsi spec are not really open
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14:10:46Zagorpamaury: afair the msc spec contains a copy of all relevant information. no need to decipher where what was copied from.
14:11:15pamauryI seem to remember the contrary: the msc spec points to the scsi spec
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14:13:56Zagorpamaury: the msc bulk pdf I have (r1.0) doesn't even mention "scsi"
14:14:39pamauryI think the scsi_write_same command was extended in sbc-3 rev 2x to have an "unmap" bit, but this is much more recent than the msc spec, so it would probably not contain it
14:14:58pamauryZagor: no, it's written in the overview pdf I think, and the bulk pdf doesn't include any command either
14:15:22pamaury(except the usb ones to send a scsi command in a wrapper)
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14:22:05jlbiasiniis there a quicker way to add all the changes made into the index rather than doing "git add path/to/file.c" with each single changed file? I would like to add everything that appears with git diff into the index, isn't it poossible?
14:23:40pamauryif you commit afterwards you can git commit -a
14:23:52Zagorjlbiasini: git add −−all ?
14:24:07kugelZagor: git add −−all adds untracked files also
14:24:18Zagor−−update then
14:24:23kugelyep
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14:26:42jlbiasinioups how do I clean the index then git remove −−all?
14:27:03kugeljlbiasini: git status tells you what to do
14:27:08jlbiasiniok
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14:31:58jlbiasinikugel: Zagor: thanks! Wow this git is really powerful! So we are not doing this whole transition for fun actually!
14:32:03jlbiasini:D
14:32:18Zagortomorrow we'll try mercurial! :-D
14:39:40gevaertsZagor: is there much a perl-agnostic person can do to help get the build system going again?
14:40:12Zagordid you test-run the conversion script?
14:40:43gevaertsYes, it works for me
14:48:21Zagorthen I guess not :-(
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14:49:23nanomadHello folks, is there a tool to help me create a custom tagnavi file?
14:50:21Torneno
14:50:29Tornefeel free to write one :)
14:51:08nanomadTorne: do you thing there's a demand for it?
14:51:12Torneno
14:51:19Torne:)
14:51:28Tornenot particularly, anyway
14:51:41Tornefew people change it, and the people that do generally seem to manage, and are unlikely to change it again once they have it set up
14:52:08Tornebut the syntax is basically stable so a tool to create one would probably keep working until we reach our hypothetical "rework the database to be smarter" point
14:52:11Torneso, hey
14:52:14Torne:)
14:52:28nanomadYeah, the syntax is stable but it's also quite complex IIRC
14:52:49jlbiasiniI'm not sure to understand the point for a non commiter user to do git commit over than posting a diff on flyspray...
14:54:03jlbiasiniis there a way commiter user could use this "local commit" to merge it into the tree directly?
14:55:24nanomadjlbiasini: you can export a git commit and share that
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14:55:47nanomadactually, not the commit...the while diff from a pre-defined point in time
14:55:51nanomad*whole
14:56:04jlbiasininanomad: thanks
14:56:13kugelyou can actually share commits :)
14:56:13jlbiasiniI get it now
14:56:13nanomadjlbiasini: http://book.git-scm.com/3_comparing_commits_-_git_diff.html
14:57:14Tornejlbiasini: once we get very slightly further with the migration we will have a public code review system you can send your commit to
14:57:30Tornewhere people will be able to see it as a diff, you can upload new versions of it, people can test/comment/download it easily
14:57:41Torneand potentially it can be built by our buildbots to test it copmiles, etc
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14:58:01pixelmananomad: did you see the DataBase page in our wiki?
14:58:07Torneand from tehre, someone with commit permissions can click one button to submit it to our tree
14:58:13Tornewithout having to download it and apply it themselves
14:58:34pixelmananomad: hmm, read "tool" as "tutorial" somehow, sorry
14:58:35Torneit's not quite available right now, but i'll get it sorted Real Soon
14:58:42jlbiasiniTorne: thanks for those infos
14:58:56Torneyou can try it out in the sandbox repository if you want :)
14:59:06Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GerritDemoGuide talks about it :)
14:59:29jlbiasiniok but for the moment we stay with patch then, isn't it?
14:59:40Tornefor now you'll need to generate a patch, yes
14:59:45Tornegit format-patch can do that for you from commits
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14:59:53Tornein a much nicer format than svn diff
14:59:59jlbiasiniok
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15:00:07Torne(it includes, e.g. your authorship information, so when it's applied you will be credited automatically)
15:00:17jlbiasiniit makes sense, let's commit then
15:00:51Torneit should hopefully only be a couple of days until i have time to get code review stuff sorted
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15:04:18[Saint]*cough* heard that before...*cough* :P
15:06:04TorneYeah well do you want to do it? :)
15:07:30[Saint]Nope, carry on. :D
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15:26:44funmanwodz: i sent a patch for USB on the mailing list a few days ago
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15:35:06jlbiasinikugel: could you commit FS #12529 if it's ok? I we'll then move into editing the manual and then try some pacman PLA
15:35:07fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12529 3Lamp plugins PLA integration (patches, unconfirmed)
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17:49:21jlbiasinibluebrother I made the modifications regarding the main patch of FS #12492
17:49:23fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492 3add fuze+ manual (patches, unconfirmed)
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18:50:48saratogaZagor: can you upload the updated mkamsboot tools to the download server: funman/mkamsboot-1.5/">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/mkamsboot-1.5/
18:55:01nanomadsaratoga: I tried the new USB code on the FuzeV2 but I had one failed USB connect (the second was ok)
18:55:26saratogayeah its still being worked on
18:55:54nanomadOh well, at least now i got read of the useless "refreshing database". Better than nothing :)
18:55:58nanomad*rid
18:56:22saratogabut it seems to work for most people
18:56:55nanomadIn 5 connects only the first one didn't work, maybe it was the USB cable, who knows
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19:02:41saratogaZagor: thanks
19:02:57Zagorhey, I wasn't done yet :)
19:03:00saratogaalso, could you update the symlink
19:03:02Zagornow I am
19:03:05saratoga:)
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19:23:42nanomaduhm, is there anything in particular that i should do to enable voice in menus? I've got the english.voice in .rockbox\langs, and voice is turned on in the settings
19:25:46pixelmaand your ui language is english as well? (maybe too obvious, just making sure)
19:26:24nanomadenglish-us, i switched to english now
19:26:52nanomadalright, switching to english worked
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19:30:43pixelmayou could also just rename the english.voice to english-us.voice. That should work too
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19:35:12nanomadpixelma: thanks, but I don't think there's any major difference with english and english-us translation. I guess I can live with plain ol'english
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21:16:02matt_rbHi
21:17:05matt_rbAnyone knows the requirements to run Rockbox on Android? I have Android 1.6, doesn't seem to work.
21:18:51bluebrotherAndroid 1.6 doesn't work.
21:19:15matt_rbbluebrother: what is the minimal version of android required?
21:19:26gevaertsgit log says 2.0
21:19:31bluebrotheruses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="5"
21:19:34gevaertsNot sure how accurate that is
21:19:37bluebrotherthat's in the manifest.
21:19:46matt_rbOk, thanks.
21:19:52bluebrotherso now someone figure what Android version is SDK version 5
21:19:54bluebrother:)
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21:20:21bluebrotherhttp://developer.android.com/guide/appendix/api-levels.html
21:20:35bluebrotherso according to the manifest and docs it's 2.0
21:20:58matt_rbbluebrother: no luck :(
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21:22:53bluebrotherno luck with what exactly?
21:23:56matt_rbbluebrother: whith the fact I will not be able to run rockbox on my smartphone
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21:33:50jlbiasinibluebrother: I made the modifications regarding the main patch of FS #12492
21:33:53fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492 3add fuze+ manual (patches, unconfirmed)
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21:40:51bluebrotherjlbiasini: that patch (again) includes changes to the code ...
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21:45:09jlbiasini??
21:45:22jlbiasinibluebrother? what do you mean?
21:45:32bluebrotherthat patch changes apps/keymaps/keymap-fuzeplus.c
21:45:52jlbiasiniyes but this time it is intentionnal! :)
21:46:23jlbiasinifor consistency whit other target it is better to have this mapping
21:46:28bluebrotherwhy is it intentional to change a target keymap in a manual patch?
21:46:59bluebrotherchanging keymaps should not be done in a manual patch. I have no idea about that change, but if it makes sense it should be separate
21:47:04jlbiasiniwell because I found it out while reading the manual...
21:47:22jlbiasiniit's totally minor
21:47:42gevaertsOne patch, one change
21:47:46bluebrotherthat doesn't change my point
21:48:08jlbiasiniok
21:48:11bluebrothera patch changes one thing. If there's something useful related (but not necessary) for a patch it goes into a separate one
21:48:15gevaertsAnything else makes life difficult for those who come after you
21:48:20bluebrothersince a patch is intended to become a commit
21:48:45bluebrotherit can even make things difficult for yourself: if you try to understand a change like half a year later
21:48:57jlbiasiniok
21:48:58bluebrothersince you likely forgot the details by then.
21:49:08jlbiasiniyeah agree
21:49:21bluebrotherand since I don't want to rework your patches I'm nagging around :)
21:50:33bluebrotherok, so I want to detect a running itunes on Windows in Rockbox Utility. I've found an API I can use to retrieve running processes, but that's XP and up only.
21:50:49bluebrotherany idea how to do that on w2k? Or should we drop support for w2k?
21:51:04Tornei don't think it would be too bad if this specific feature only worked on xp and up
21:51:38bluebrotherwell, since I need to link a Windows DLL I can't make it work on newer Windows versions only :(
21:51:48Tornesure you can
21:51:50Tornedynamically load it
21:52:03bluebrotherok, but I'm not too motivated for that :)
21:52:15Torneit's not tricky if you only need to invoke one or two functions from a library
21:52:19Torneit's only a tedious pain if you need dozens :)
21:52:34bluebrotherI know. Just did that with libmp3lame two weeks ago :)
21:53:42*bluebrother searches MSDN a bit more
21:59:58jlbiasinibluebrother: just to be sure I'm not going to have a patch refused again: should I make 1) temporary wrong manual patch waiting for the commit of the new keymaps (which save a /opt{fuzeplus} entry. 2) A manual patch matching the current keymaps, that would be updated after the current keymaps get updated?
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22:01:00Tornei suggest two patches
22:01:03Torne:)
22:01:47funmanbluebrother: dropping w2k support sounds good
22:02:26funmani'd drop xp too but i understand that people continue to use that antique system if microsoft still supports it
22:02:29TorneMS dropped support a long time ago :)
22:02:44funmanold OS = old software = old version of rbutil
22:03:44gevaertsfunman: I don't think there's any reason to drop xp support at this time
22:03:56gevaertsJust dropping it because you feel like it is silly :)
22:04:08funmangevaerts: i didnt mean that
22:04:19bluebrotherhmm, there seems to be an API that can do it.
22:04:24funmani mean drop it without consideration the next time a feature depends on something neewer than xp
22:04:46*gevaerts nods
22:04:51Torneit's tricky to think what that would be any time soon, though :)
22:04:59gevaertsWell, "without consideration" is a bit strong I'd say
22:05:00bluebrotherfunman: I won't drop XP support anytime soon. If only because I'm still using it (and it's still widely in use)
22:05:17bluebrotherand I'd like to keep w2k support unless it becomes too much of a problem
22:05:35funmananyway it's bluebrother choice i guess
22:05:40bluebrotherI'd rather drop OS X 10.4 support and PPC. *That* makes things much more complicated
22:05:53funmanagreed
22:08:16gevaertsbluebrother: would it be possible (i.e. easy) to keep support for the various manual installation tools while dropping it for the GUI? Or would that just replace one sort of pain by another?
22:09:30Tornewell this presumably has nothing to do with the manual installation tools, no? i assumed you meant just checking if itunes was running and warning you that it may interfere
22:09:49Torneunless we're gonna actually put that code into ipodpatcher specifically it won't hurt manual install
22:10:16gevaertsWell, this one is clearly about the GUI, but I don't know about those OSX things
22:10:26bluebrothergevaerts: something in between I'd say
22:10:28funmanwhat does itunes to interfere with patching ?
22:10:44funmanthat another process can not do
22:11:03bluebrotherit is known to prevent disk access
22:11:19bluebrotherso having some way to inform the user about a running Itunes would be useful
22:11:33funmani know of an app which asks exclusive file access
22:12:09funmanhttp://www.emptyloop.com/unlocker/#download but it's freeware; no source :(
22:13:13bluebrothera user trying to install Rockbox on an Ipod on Windows is more likely to have Itunes running than this one
22:14:20bluebrotherwhy can't I download a 32bit Itunes using a 64bit machine?
22:14:24*bluebrother grumbles
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22:22:57bluebrothernice, that's even a bit more convenient −− I don't need to allocate too much memory at first, and I get the filenames of the processes without path :)
22:23:21bluebrotherand the API is supposed to work on w2k
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22:40:28CIA-81Commit by 03magnushol (d9f1f86): Add a generic *.exe to .gitignore, and remove the specific ones.
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22:43:27saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2012
22:43:32saratogafeel free to edit
22:45:19gevaertssaratoga: I think we should start with a clean list this time. Maybe it's just me, but last year many of those recycled task seemed to cause various issues
22:45:30saratogai removed a few of them
22:46:04gevaertshm, especially the list of candidate mentors should be cleared
22:46:53saratogasounds reasonable
22:47:04saratogai'm ok with clearing it, but i think most of the codec stuff should stay
22:48:54gevaertsWell, at this point it doesn't matter, but by the time it's considered final only tasks with proper mentors with actual time should remain
22:49:19saratogai think its more a list of potential ideas
22:49:26*gevaerts nods
22:49:39bluebrotherinteresting to see the list of people that already volunteered for SoC2012 :)
22:49:57bluebrothermaybe some discussion wiki page would make sense then?
22:50:22gevaertsAs long as it's clear that these are potential ideas and that they're not guaranteed to be kept, I'm fine with it
22:51:17gevaertsBut I'd also like us to seriously think about things, and *not* apply if it appears that we don't have enough properly worked out ideas or mentors
22:51:29saratogayeah, agreed
22:51:45saratogai'm definitely not going to be able to participate this year
22:51:52saratogaalthough i'll try and keep an eye on any codec projects
22:51:56LearHe, the page states that Rockbox has an "exceptionally fast codec library", yet there are several codec optimization tasks there... :)
22:55:55saratogawe can always be better
22:55:57jlbiasinibluebrother: new try? FS #12492
22:55:58fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12492 3add fuze+ manual (patches, unconfirmed)
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23:10:44bluebrotherjlbiasini: something I wrote about commits some time ago: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/512412/source-checkins-in-frequent-or-infrequent/512655#512655
23:10:51bluebrothershouldn't be surprising though :)
23:11:35bluebrotherI'll try to give the patch a look later tonight
23:12:10jlbiasiniwell no hurry it was just to let you know
23:15:50jlbiasiniactually saratoga explained the core logic I was missing: related changes that involves each other but concern different parts: they get commited in a group at the same time but still in different patch
23:16:29jlbiasinigood checklist anyway
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