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#rockbox log for 2012-01-19

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00:07:40Zagorhttp://build.rockbox.org/data/61047e1561ca42de48be45bb06622e9dbf47f0f3-clients.html :-)
00:08:14bertriknice
00:10:21funmanZagor: \o/
00:10:44*jhMikeS does the build server dance
00:10:50funmanhttp://build.rockbox.org/ shows a failed regexp
00:11:09Zagorohh, nice
00:12:32Zagorfixed, but that really is one place where the hash doesn't work very well
00:12:33bertrikkugel, I have the yp-r0 toolchain installed on my desktop and almost on my laptop now
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00:14:06Zagorhow long does a hash have to be to be "reasonably unique"?
00:16:14saratogahow many elements are in the set?
00:16:46bertrikkugel, oh ascodec_init has a prototype mismatch between .c and .h for me when compiling yp-r0
00:16:52Zagorsaratoga: ~40k I guess, since that's roughly our number of commits
00:17:16funmanZagor: i think git describe shows 7 digits
00:17:44[Saint]More if it has to iiuc.
00:17:55saratogawell thats 15 bits, so if you want a 1 in a thousand chance of a collision, 25 bits would do
00:18:00funmanit'll be a problem for sure after r268435456
00:18:15[Saint]Haha.
00:18:20Zagorfunman: 8 digits for our trunk: bootloader_fuzeplus_v1-229-g61047e1
00:18:37Zagorwait, g?
00:18:43funmang = git
00:18:48funmanor something
00:18:50Zagorright, 7 then
00:19:32saratoga8 digits will be quite unique
00:20:06saratoga6 might be pushing it if we're going to be around for a while
00:20:16Zagorso it's safe to use 8 for our build clients all all auto scripts?
00:20:21Zagor*and all
00:21:03saratoga8 digits == 32 bits, so 1 in 4 billion chance any two commits match
00:24:41JdGordonZagor: are the steps to bring up a new client the same? just get a new checkout and the build client script?
00:24:57ZagorJdGordon: yes
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00:26:17Zagorfyi the farm is not live yet, it's still in debug mode. there's a couple glitches left to fix.
00:27:39funmanat least binsize delta
00:33:42bertrikfunman, is it a big delta? perhaps it's just the version string that is now a bit bigger
00:34:21Zagorno the delta is not showing on the web page
00:34:52saratogais the eventual plan to have gerrit test build patches posted to it? or is that too dangerous
00:35:38ZagorI don't know if we have discussed that.
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00:36:37saratogaeventually gerrit will be able to commit code directly and then trigger a build round?
00:36:48Zagoryes
00:37:15Zagorbut that will be manually triggered by a dev, so the same as a manual commit/push
00:37:19saratogayeah
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00:38:30JdGordonhave the compiler archlist optins changed?
00:38:39JdGordonis m68k not the one we use now?
00:39:02ZagorJdGordon: m68k-gcc452
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01:19:36JdGordon[Saint_]: ping
01:19:53[Saint_]Mmmmmmyyyes?
01:20:12JdGordonreminder to put together a simple *simple* text test sbs for the touch problem
01:21:42[Saint_]Yep...I'm on it. Working presently, though...so I may not get anything done in time.
01:21:46[Saint_]Should do, though.
01:22:15JdGordon7h till i get on the plane :)
01:22:32[Saint_]Ah...plenty of time.
01:22:44JdGordon320x240 would be ideal
01:22:48JdGordonsimple sdl size
01:24:13[Saint_]Ill just do three text viewports basically, "long press here" with long/short press areas with "this text should show on long press" and "this text shouldn't".
01:24:23JdGordonperfect
01:24:26[Saint_]Should show it well.
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06:22:18JdGordon[Saint]: im heading to the airport in an hour....
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06:25:21[Saint]JdGordon: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/test.zip <−− test zip
06:25:32[Saint]JdGordon: http://pastebin.com/cab7Jfvs <- Or just a pastebin of it (edited out the large custom font)
06:26:02JdGordonnice and minimal :)
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06:26:37JdGordonhave you got a backdrop to make it very obvious where to press?
06:26:38[Saint]And look at my identifiers...happy? :P
06:26:46JdGordonhehe
06:27:04[Saint]JdGordon: As long as you press the text, itll work.
06:27:33[Saint]the touch area is the entire "Press & Hold Here" viewport.
06:28:27[Saint]I've not had a chance to actually test it...but, it should "just work". I ran out of time and whipped it up quickly on my phone.
06:28:58JdGordonbuidling now
06:30:45[Saint]Bah! the pastebin didn't update the "just use current userfont" version. :-S
06:32:38[Saint]http://pastebin.com/VLE0Cks6 <−− that's better...probably irrelevant. But better.
06:36:35JdGordondoesnt work
06:36:47JdGordonall the viewports are showing
06:36:53JdGordonI'm using the vx747 sim
06:38:01[Saint]that's...interesting. the code sugegsts that's not possible :-S
06:38:11JdGordonyes
06:41:27[Saint]Shit. I don't really have the time to nut this out...I know all of the RaaA Cabbie themes of mine on the tracker show the issue with pressing (and holding) the album art touch area (which launches the WPS hotkey)...the "popup" (context menu, file browser, quick-screen) fires as well.
06:41:58[Saint]I can't immediately see why the test.wps is failing, though.
06:46:36JdGordoni can probably debug it
06:49:09[Saint]Sorry I can't be of more help...when I get back home I can "do it right". If you can't be fucked debugging the viewport behaviour, just grab one of my cabbies from FS #12254
06:49:10fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 3RaaA cabbiev2 [Full Touch Application Port] (patches, new)
06:49:26[Saint]yay! I remembered the right FS# :)
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08:19:10bluebrotherurgh. Loads of spam in the New Topics view again :(
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15:08:03CIA-81r61047e1 build result: All green
15:08:09Zagorwhee
15:10:33Torneooh
15:10:35kugelZagor: nice
15:10:58gevaertsThe r is a bit interesting :)
15:11:07TorneWell, that's just CiA though
15:11:10Zagoryeah, I just removed it from cia
15:11:11Tornedev.cgi doesn't show it
15:11:36Tornedid that actually build all targets and they're all green, also?
15:11:45Tornei.e. we've managed not to break anything while the build system is down?
15:11:45Torne:)
15:11:54ZagorTorne: yes. even the delta check works now.
15:11:59TorneAwesome
15:12:19Torneso what's the remaining todo list for the build system?
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15:12:40Zagorjust adding the hook, I think
15:12:49Tornegreat.
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15:13:06Zagora few minor details such as cleanup (keep lastest 20 revision logs)
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16:57:35Tornethe unread topics view on the forum is basically unusable :/
16:59:02*gevaerts wonders how this happened
16:59:34gevaertsI worked a bit on the recent posts view, but that should be unrelated...
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17:00:22gevaertshm, right, maybe I need to look at it some more
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17:01:33Tornegevaerts: there were dozens/hundreds of threads that were either spam or only bumped because of spam, when i looked a couple hours ago
17:01:46Torneand sure, i know they're not really posted onf the forum
17:02:56gevaertsI think the problem is that now the recent posts doesn't show the actual spam posts any more us moderators have become lazy so we don't check the akismet quarantine as often, and the "new" indication still takes posts that are marked as spam into account
17:03:08gevaertsSo the "new" detection needs to be fixed too
17:03:14*gevaerts now deleted 90 spam messages
17:03:27Torneheh
17:04:17gevaertsTorne: just to verify, was everything just messed up, or was actual spam still visible somewhere?
17:04:30*gevaerts wants to know how urgent the problem is :)
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17:06:13Tornegevaerts: No spam visible, no
17:06:22Tornejust the unread view showing them like it always has
17:06:30gevaertsok, that's something at least
17:06:31Torneit's just been an *incredibly* high volume the last couple of days
17:06:53Tornethis morning there were 100+ listed since last night, and since this morning there were another 20 or so :)
17:07:45gevaertsI think this akismet mod basically isn't designed right
17:08:28gevaertsIt works by adding a spam field to the messages table, setting that if akismet says it's spam, and then hiding messages with it set all through the code
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17:08:56Tornepresumably that's to make it easier to unmark things as spam?
17:09:17gevaertsI'd say a better design would have been to have a separate quarantine table and to internally re-post things when they appear not to be spam
17:10:19gevaertsThe problem now is that there are things like the topics table having an ID_LAST_MSG field
17:10:30TorneWell, that too :)
17:10:53Tornethe whole "keeping track of unread posts per user" thing in the first place is terrifying
17:10:58Tornelet alone with spam filtering in the mix somewhere
17:11:56gevaertsI can't really think of a sane way to do this that doesn't keep the suspected spam out of the regular structure
17:13:25Tornewell, it's not the end of the world
17:13:36Tornei'm just wondering why it seems to be much worse now
17:14:35gevaertsThe spam thing has been getting a lot worse over the past few weeks in general, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's made worse by us not deleting it as actively
17:14:48TorneOh, i see
17:15:03Torneif someone goes and reviews the akismet stuff and purges them, they don't show up when i look?
17:15:12Torneright :)
17:15:13gevaertsMaybe. I'm not entirely sure
17:16:09gevaertsI'm wondering if we shouldn't just outright reject stuff akismet doesn't like
17:16:29gevaertsWe don't have *that* many false positives
17:16:50gevaertsWe could possibly whitelist people based on group membership even
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17:27:16CIA-81Commit by 03bjorn (35f0c96): Remove svn id.
17:28:39Zagorargh
17:28:45chkktri?
17:29:09GodEater_gevaerts: I'm not even sure I have access to the akismet bit
17:29:22Zagorchkktri: the commit hook didn't fire. a silly permission problem.
17:29:31gevaertsGodEater_: I think it's been mainly me and JdGordon doing this
17:29:58GodEater_we're in the same user group aren't we?
17:30:25GodEater_I can see the akismet configuration page
17:30:29GodEater_is that the right place to start?
17:30:34gevaertsit is, yes
17:30:51gevaertsThere are two spam messages there right now
17:31:07GodEater_so the only interface there is says "Delete all spam"
17:31:10GodEater_is that right?
17:31:35gevaertsWell, there are also the "not spam" checkboxes, and the "not spam" button at the bottom
17:31:52gevaertsBut that's the lot, yes
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17:32:26gevaertsSorry, three messages :)
17:32:30GodEater_:)
17:32:37GodEater_shallI hit the button and see?
17:32:41gevaertsSure
17:33:13GodEater_and that fixes "New Topics" does it?
17:33:44*GodEater_ thinks we clearly need some more user training for the forum mods :D
17:33:46gevaertsWell, there's this comment that says "// TODO: Update statistics so they don't go weird"
17:34:23gevaertsSo that's what needs to be done first I think :)
17:34:44*gevaerts is in favour of just not updating the statistics if we suspect it's spam in the first place
17:35:03*GodEater_ favours this too
17:35:53gevaertsThe "easy" solution will make the numbers wrong if we mark a post as not spam, but that's better than what we have now I think
17:36:34gevaertsI think I'm going to work on this akismet mod a bit more during the next few days. There are some things that can be done to make it *much* more usable
17:37:01gevaertsLike "delete all suspected spam posts from this user", or "ban this user right away"
17:37:10GodEater_yay
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17:37:53gevaertsTrawling through dozens of posts to see if there happens to be a false positive is no fun, and usually those dozens of posts are made by just one or two people
17:38:06GodEater_and the posts are all bloody identical
17:38:11[Saint]"Ban this user, and his children, and his children's children, and his children's children's chil;dren..."
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17:38:20GodEater_and burn his goddamn house down
17:38:37GodEater_</unforgiven>
17:38:42[Saint]rename it to "Smite User"
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17:41:58GodEater_I've gone against soap's wishes and done an ip ban on that last guy
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17:44:00CIA-81Commit by 03BjaOrn Stenberg (35f0c96): Remove svn id.
17:44:18Zagorumm, not quite but ok :)
17:45:15funmanshould we remove all those ids ?
17:45:43Zagornah, it was to get a test commit
17:46:31GodEater_hey BjaOrn :)
17:47:19GodEater_those N/A in N/A by N/A posts are irritating too
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18:19:16gevaertsGodEater_: same thing, really. The last post id in the topic table doesn't get update when the spam is deleted
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18:44:08saratogais any of this related to us running an older version of the forums software? i see they've had 2.x out for several years now
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18:45:02gevaertssaratoga: I doubt it. From what I've read the akismet plugin for smf2 also has some annoying limitations
18:49:35CIA-81Commit by 03Marek Salaba (007f61f): FS #12545 - January update of Czech language
18:51:56CIA-81007f61f build result: All green
18:53:28*funman wonders if we should strip leading 0s
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18:58:00bertrikwhat does "Glyphs To Cache" mean exactly?
18:58:34bertriklike "move the glyps to the cache" or "maximum number of glyphs to cache"?
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19:00:58funmanwihtout context i'd say the second
19:02:06funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml : mrobe500 / gogear / yh / mpioHD300 manuals are missing
19:02:38funmanthey all are unstable though, but if the manual doesnt built shouldnt they be removed from that page ?
19:02:56bertrikthe description for LANG_GLYPHS doesn't really help: "in settings_menu"
19:04:58funman"move glyphs to the cache" would have been "cache glyphs" ?
19:04:59[Saint]bertrik: "maximum number of glyphs to cache"
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19:09:51bertriknot a very clear phrase, IMO
19:10:47[Saint]"Max Glyphs to Cache" would be better...but strings that need to scroll suck IMO
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19:38:56pixelmais this in the 'limits' sub menu
19:39:01pixelma?
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19:40:03bertrikyes, in settings / general settings / system / limits
19:41:50bertrikthat menu already has a much longer phrase "Max Entries in File Browser"
19:43:06[Saint]Oh...right. Change it then.
19:43:31[Saint]"Max Glyphs To Cache" is much easier to understand the function.
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20:33:28blindwandererIt appears the you can't run shortcuts in "*.link" files if you load the "*.link" from the shortcuts menu ("shortcuts.txt"). It loads the "*.link" file fine but when you try to run one of the lines, it sends you back to the shortcuts menu.
20:36:31blindwandererFound this a bit bothersome as I wanted to reduce clutter in my shortcuts.txt
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20:54:33saratogadoes anyone else want to look at the GSOC page I put up?
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21:58:07amiconnOooh, we finally have builds again :)
21:58:26amiconnHmm, there seem to be a few problems left though
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22:05:36amiconnZagor: (logs) (1) What happened to the order of revisions in the build table before the git transition? They're all mixed up. (2) In the 3 rounds after the transition, 5 machines did zero builds, while even slower machines did a few. It were (nearly) the same 5 machines in each round, at least one is a quite fast machine (kugel-x-kugel). Maybe the build distribution logic got broken a bit?
22:07:32amiconnThe delta table has the correct revision order
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22:19:12BagderI don't think the distribution logic was modified
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