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#rockbox log for 2012-01-29

00:00:04Dingo-changed to dfkt theme
00:00:22dreamlayersHow do I find a git hash corresponding to a svn revision?
00:00:27Dingo-and i believe i could have 1 or 2 size smalelr without having a problem reading it :D
00:00:41Dingo-most of all, i would have liked same font+size as sana clip+
00:00:42Dingo-:P
00:02:40Dingo-kind of regret getting zip
00:03:11gevaertsDingo-: how to change a font depends on where you want to change it. For lists, you can simply use the font setting. For the WPS, you need to change the actual theme
00:03:27funmansaratoga: ping
00:04:45gevaertsdreamlayers: not sure how you'd do it automatically or from a script, but if you look for git-svn-id: lines in the git log output you should be able to find it
00:04:49Dingo-only care about font size while browsing for music
00:04:58Dingo-rest is w/e :P
00:05:19Dingo-browing for music or scrolling throuhg settings/folders/etc
00:06:12gevaertsDingo-: changing the font in settings/theme settings/font should do that
00:06:49Dingo-ye, but only got these
00:06:50Dingo-05-4x6-L1-dfkt
00:06:55Dingo-08-Atadore-dfkt
00:06:57Dingo-to choose from
00:07:05Dingo-on is to small and the other one is the normal one
00:07:35gevaertsInstall the fonts pack
00:07:39Dingo-oh
00:07:44Dingo-sounds intresting
00:08:23Dingo-found it under extras
00:09:12Dingo-though i cant find fontpack for clip zip
00:09:45gevaertsFonts are not target specific
00:11:01gevaertsNote that we don't have a very wide selection if you want smaller than 8
00:11:34dreamlayersIs git-svn something that can help now, or is it just for when you're working in git and contributing to a svn repository?
00:11:51Dingo-ye i saw the one from sansa clip+ was 8 aswell
00:12:10saratogafunman: i saw the MDCT question, but haven't looked at the code much
00:12:19Dingo-do I just need to move 08-Rockfont.fnt to fonts on the sansa zip?
00:12:21funmanok
00:12:39saratogaour MDCT is probably almost the same thing though, since we just took their algorithm and ported it
00:13:17saratogaalthough i bet they don't use stripwax's memory saving tricks, which we use to fit into IRAM but are probably slower otherwise
00:13:22saratogaso maybe its useful
00:14:47gevaertsDingo-: yes, or just unpack the entire fonts.zip, or use rbutil to install it
00:15:13n1sfunman: they have their own fixed point fft/mdct now?
00:15:13Dingo-cant seem to find fonts.zip .. the package to talking about though
00:15:49saratogan1s: some codecs specify a fixed point mdct (e.g. a52) so i guess it made sense to add one
00:15:51Dingo-nvm im just kinda blind
00:15:59Dingo-gonna unplug the zip now the try out :D
00:18:07n1ssaratoga: ah, they did also express some interest in having fixed point stuff that could be used when you didn't have an fpu
00:18:28saratogaah, didn't know that, haven't followed them recently
00:19:40n1ssomeone contacted them about merging back our fp codec ports i think but nothing came out of it
00:19:43Dingo-gevaerts size 8 was quite fine though, just needed to change font and alot more text fit into the screen :) Thanks for help
00:23:17bertriksomethings broken with git in the build client: I get error: pathspec 'cc269ef' did not match any file(s) known to git.
00:23:37gevaertsbertrik: yes, it got stuck on a nonexistent revision
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01:28:48limescouthey guys, I'm having trouble writing my first plugin. Here's the code: http://pastebin.com/1zyZ1F5t
01:29:17limescoutit's very close to the hello world example on the website, but it won't work with the rockbox simulator
01:29:46limescoutwhen it goes to do rb->splash(), the splashed text never goes away. Is there something I'm missing here?
01:32:48limescouthello?
01:33:35jhMikeSsplashes don't self-erase
01:34:59limescoutah, so follow it up with a lcd_clear_display?
01:36:14n1ssomething like that
01:36:47limescoutalright, thanks
01:36:53n1susually you'd draw something to the screen, splash and just redraw whatever you had before after the splash timed out
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01:37:50n1sand if you add a clear in that loop you'll probably not see it at all unless it also sleeps for a while
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01:40:20limescouthmm, I added a rb->lcd_clear_display(); right after the splash and nothing changed
01:41:34limescoutupdated the pastebin
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01:50:12jhMikeSadd lcd_update after that
01:53:15limescoutalright, i'll give it a shot
01:56:07limescoutok, same thing :(
01:58:28n1sdo you sleep?
01:58:59limescoutnope. here's the code: http://pastebin.com/1zyZ1F5t
01:59:33limescoutjust following the hello world example for the splash
01:59:40n1safter lcd_update but before the next splash throw in a sleep(HZ) and you should see the splash for 1s and then it should be gone for 1s
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02:00:31Guest94038Changing the sound to mon oin Rockbox makes everything come out each side of the headphones/earbud right?
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02:00:38n1sif you just clear and then immediately draw an identical splash you will not see any change
02:01:06n1sBaltowolf: it should, yes
02:01:08limescout>.< I figured it out. I wasn't doing make install after each recompile
02:01:22limescoutit's working now though, thanks for the help!
02:02:54Baltowolfn1s: and can I change it so it only comes out one side too?
02:04:24n1sbalance at the extreme might be able to do that
02:07:58n1sjust tested and it seems like it does at the extremes
02:09:58BaltowolfOk, and the moves EVERYTHING right?
02:10:21BaltowolfI really hate having one earbud in and not being able to hear the other channel, so that's why I'm asking .:P
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02:14:45n1sas far as i can hear but why is it important that the other earbud is completely silent?
02:15:06BaltowolfIt doesn't I'm just wondering.
02:15:15n1sanyway if you set it to mono it just downmixes to mono and plays exactly the same audio in both channels
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02:20:14Baltowolfok, thanks
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02:48:48funmanfyi, i just modified our existing buildbot setup and added a git repository to test patches for vlc (separate from main repository)
02:49:44funmanbuildbot use static assignement of builds to slaves (build clients) though
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11:27:55bertrikfunman, any progress on the clipv2 buttons?
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11:36:44funmannope, the function i disassembled is exactly what we do already
11:37:17bertrikweird
11:37:19funmanwe must miss something - perhaps the code is only in recent OF
11:37:29funmanlike on the fuzev2 that failed to downgrade
11:37:34bertriklike a clipv2v2 :) ?
11:37:35funmanhmm i could try that
11:37:46funmanyeah =)
11:38:39bertrikI don't mind doing a bit of reverse engineering today, but it will take a few hours
11:40:00funmanthe function i disassembled is 717c in OF v35
11:40:21funmani had a look at 153a8 (ui thread) too but didnt spot anything
11:50:23funmani tried direct gpio of course but nothing
11:54:45[Saint]That's...interesting.
11:56:00[Saint]Absolutely positive the hardware hasn't changed? This isn't some weird "we ran out of parts for a batch and had to substitute <Foo>" revision?
11:58:55funmanit has changed for sure since it didn't use to boot
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12:00:21funmanbertrik: i downgraded to 2.1.16 without problems
12:00:37bertrikthe boot problem could have been a different internal bootloader?
12:00:53funmanyeah that' what wodz suggested
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12:01:39bertrikand what about the CCU_IO register? on the fuze v2 it needs a specific value to use GPIO for fm tuner i2c communication
12:02:17bertrikhow about I check out what value it is on my clip+ for example?
12:02:34funmanpanic("0x%x", CCU_IO);
12:02:56funmanunless it's in the debug screen already
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12:04:16bertrikit's not in the debug screen, but this looks like something that would be useful to add
12:06:01funmani will check CCU_IO later, off to sleep for nwo
12:06:46bertrikI'll let you know if I find something
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12:14:26bertrikfunman, CCU_IO has value 4 on my clip+
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13:38:58lebelliumanyone knows which admin has to be contacted to get the YP-R0 here http://themes.rockbox.org/ and http://build.rockbox.org/ ?
13:39:48gevaertslebellium: I can do that I think
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13:41:31*gevaerts checks the requirements
13:41:37lebelliumgevaerts: ah! cool But the R0 picture is not ready yet, I don't know if this is a problem
13:41:53gevaertsIt is a bit, yes
13:42:20lebelliumokay so I'll recontact you when the pic is ready
13:42:24gevaertsWe need to show something :)
13:43:15lebelliumI'll see if dfkt would help me with that as I'm bad with photoshop :D
13:43:33gevaertsBeing bad with photoshop is not a problem. We want svg :)
13:43:44[Saint]Haha.
13:43:47gevaertshm, actually, there *might* be another obstacle. The theme site uses some svn data, and I'm not sure if it has been moved over to git yet. If not, there's no way (yet) to get tht picture there
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13:45:20lebelliumI remember at the time the Clip Zip showed up on both link without any pic at first. the build link for R0 is http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-samsungypr0.zip
13:46:40[Saint]I'm pretty sure gevaerts could figure that out.
13:47:19gevaertshrm, the yp-r0 doesn't seem to be in tools/builds.pm yet
13:49:02lebelliumhum then we should check that with kugel, he is the only one who knows what he has already done and what's is still missing, I personnaly don't know anything about tools/builds.pm etc
13:49:41gevaertstools/builds.pm is really the central place that decides which ports are stable, unstable, or unusable
13:49:55gevaertsSo if it's not in there, technically it's not unstable, it doesn't exist :)
13:50:17*gevaerts will fix that
13:50:27lebelliumI assume he forgot to update that file? The R0 even shows up in the unstable ports on home page now :)
13:51:25gevaertsYes, but that's not autogenerated. It doesn't show up on http://build.rockbox.org/ because of this, and rbutil also won't know anything about it
13:52:18gevaertsIt's not too important for "unusable", but "unstable" really should be in there
13:52:32lebelliumok, maybe there is a good reason I don't know, it's maybe more careful to wait for kugel
13:52:52gevaertsWell, if it's unstable on the home page, I assume it's meant to be unstable
13:54:45lebelliumI guess we all consider the port to be unstable indeed, only the FM radio and the USB connexion don't work yet.
13:56:18gevaertshm, either CIA or the commit hooks (or both) are broken
13:56:25[Saint]I'd call that "unusable".
13:56:47[Saint]Based on other more advanced targets that are in the same category.
13:57:18gevaertslebellium: what exactly does "USB doesn't work" mean?
13:59:55lebelliumthat means we can battery charging works and thus USB cable is recognized but the device is not recognized by the computer.
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14:00:06gevaertsSo how do you get files on it?
14:00:41kugelgevaerts: I forgot about that file. ypr0 should be unstable
14:00:49lebelliumeither with the stock Samsung app or with the Safe Mode of our Modded Firmware
14:01:13gevaertslebellium: ok, so not too different from what e.g. the amsv2 sansas did until very recently
14:01:18lebelliumexactly
14:01:26gevaertskugel: I added it now, CIA just doesn't want to show it
14:01:32kugelwe include the safe mode in our patched of
14:01:34lebelliumSansas were considered Unstable while even in v3.10 the USB doesn't work
14:01:34gevaerts[Saint]: sounds unstable then :)
14:01:45gevaertslebellium: *stable* :)
14:01:51lebellium!
14:01:53lebellium:D
14:02:06[Saint]gevaerts: yes, its not quite as bad as the wording had me imagine.
14:02:17lebelliumsorry for the wording, I'm not native speaker :D
14:03:24[Saint]I assume you're a native speaker of some language ;)
14:04:25lebelliumI'm supposed to speak natively French and supposed to be understable in English and German ;)
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14:09:01lebelliumhow do you get this cool render on the players pics? What is the basis: the official promotional pics?
14:09:48[Saint]We have some people handy with SVG floating around.
14:10:16[Saint]pixelma being one in particular, she's quite skilled in this regard.
14:11:44lebelliumhum okay
14:12:04lebelliumWould she help for the R0 pic?
14:12:50gevaertsAsk her :)
14:14:39lebelliumI will :)
14:15:25[Saint]I believe you just did.
14:16:15lebelliumactually according to her IRC status, she is away :)
14:16:38[Saint]Such is the beauty of logged channels.
14:17:12[Saint]And knowing she uses a monolithic irc client :)
14:17:25*bertrik is not sure of the status of the clip zip picture
14:17:45lebelliumdfkt made the clip zip pic
14:18:09bertrikbased on a promotional pic from sandisk AFAIK
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14:21:37kugelwe need perfectdrug :)
14:22:22[Saint]After a lot of experimentation, there's no such thing ;)
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14:23:20kugelapparently the gogear sa9200 picture isn't self-made either
14:26:25lebelliumusing the official pics is forbidden?
14:27:29kugelwe just don't own the copyright
14:27:52[Saint]I doubt it clicks with licensing.
14:28:53kugelgevaerts: where did your commit go to?
14:29:02gevaertsOh wait
14:29:05gevaertsI didn't push :)
14:29:09kugel:)
14:29:16CIA-81Commit dbcf173 in rockbox by 03Frank Gevaerts: YP-R0 is supposed to be unstable these days, so add it to tools/builds.pm
14:29:19gevaertsThat's better
14:29:26kugelindeed :)
14:29:35*gevaerts likes svn!
14:31:50lebelliumcool, it shows up on http://build.rockbox.org/ now, thanks :)
14:36:47bertrikhow does the yp-r0 bootloader work? is there even anything to bootload?
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14:41:18lebelliumah!
14:41:36lebelliumlorenzo92: bertrik asks how the yp-r0 bootloader work :)
14:41:51lorenzo92hey ... just seen the build page ;)
14:42:27lorenzo92bertrik: there is not modded bootloader on our device
14:42:33lorenzo92we use rockbox as an application
14:42:53lorenzo92but is a bit special, since it controls quite directly some hw parts like backlight, battery, ascodec...
14:43:08lorenzo92so dual boot is done in a script
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14:46:45lorenzo92well, should be clear, we run on linux :)
14:50:45lorenzo92lebellium: for the image? is it a problem if someone takes an image from google? I won't do it of course since I'm terribly bad at graphics, just asking :p
14:51:22[Saint]If you don't own the copyright, yes, of course.
14:52:25lebelliumlorenzo92: we'll see if pixelma agrees to design the pic so that there is no copyright issue
14:52:36[Saint]There's not hand crafted SVGs up there because we just happen to really like the SVG format :)
14:53:41lorenzo92;)
14:54:11lorenzo92kugel: any idea why the digital vumeter doesn't work. This http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/3388/dscn0048c.jpg a picture I took when RB was still using SDL ^^
14:54:12fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #560 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,560
14:55:55[Saint]Haha...nice catch fs-bluebot
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14:57:18[Saint]test 560
14:57:38bertrikI think it's the g in front of the number
14:57:44bertrikg1138
14:57:45fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #1138 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,1138
14:57:51[Saint]test img560
14:57:52fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #560 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,560
14:58:33[Saint]Whoops, sorry. Should've read the post prior. Yes, the g will be setting it off.
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15:01:15[Saint]Its a little bit funny it's capable of displaying links to changes that don't exist, too.
15:01:44[Saint]That's probably a lot harder to accommodate for though.
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15:06:32CIA-81Commit f57e5a2 in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: AMSv1/AMSv2: show CCU_IO in debug menu
15:07:16bertrikhm, build client is still stuck at 'cc269ef'
15:08:45bertrikor possibly it is the build master, asking to build a non-existing revision
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17:37:48Lemminghey guys
17:38:00Lemmingi think a have an icon for yp r0
17:40:05Lemminghttp://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5416/rockboxypr0.png
17:40:06fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #840 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,840
17:40:16user890104how do i see the HDD S.M.A.R.T. data in rockbox?
17:42:24LemmingI think I have an icon for yp r0 http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5416/rockboxypr0.png
17:42:24fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #840 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,840
17:44:35gevaertsuser890104: you can't at this point. Which player is this? Some ipods have a diagnostics mode that can do SMART
17:45:46user890104gevaerts: ipod 6g, but i can't access diag mode without restoring OF
17:46:04gevaertsAh, right, yes, that's a bit of a problem
17:46:38gevaertsI believe Torne once did some SMART stuff, but I don't think he ever got it to an actually useful state
17:47:17user890104is it possible to read the values using a computer connected to the ipod while running rockbox?
17:47:41user890104it doesn't matter if i read them on the device itself, or on a computer
17:48:25gevaertsno
17:49:11user890104ok, thanks. so i either need to restore it, or use a hdd dock?
17:49:44lebelliumlemming: did you make it yourself?
17:50:12gevaertsAs far as I know, yes. Maybe the folks in #freemyipod or #freemyipod-support know more though
17:52:12TheSevengevaerts: well, he's a freemyipod developer :)
17:52:17funmanbertrik: any progress ?
17:52:23TheSevenno, we don't have smart support anywhere right now
17:52:29TheSevenmight be worth implementing
17:52:47TheSevenfor now you'll probably want to run a diagmode image to get some basic information
17:52:57gevaertsTheSeven: I only know to send people over there whenever I don't know something :)
17:53:03TheSevenit only shows temperatures, reallocs, pending and hard poweroffs though
17:53:12TheSevengevaerts: heh, yeah :)
17:53:44TheSevenuser890104: you should be able to runfirmware a diagmode binary from emcore
17:54:48user890104TheSeven: thanks, i'll give it a try
17:55:46user890104btw have you seen the patches i sent you a link to yesterday? they look promising
17:57:10funmanbertrik: CCU_IO is 0x1004
17:57:36bertrikfunman, I saw CCU_IO bit 12 is set in the display init
17:57:39TheSevenyeah, but one of them needs to be done differently (the hold switch thing)
17:57:42TheSevenwe need a real (more general) solution for this
17:57:59bertrikit's some kind of mystery bit that the fuze v2 also uses
17:58:09bertrikCCU_IO is 0x4 for my clip+
17:58:21funmanwhere did you put the panic?
17:58:37bertrikI put it in the debug menu :)
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17:59:36funmanok it's the same value then
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18:00:16Lemminglebellium yep
18:00:20Lemmingi made in ps
18:01:34LemmingI made it in ps*
18:01:54funmanbertrik: http://pastie.org/3276900
18:01:58funmanall buttons work
18:02:07lebelliumlemming: but using a official promotional pic? ask gaeverts if that's ok
18:02:20gevaertsWell, the real problem is that it's a bitmap
18:02:20lebelliumgevaerts*
18:02:20Lemmingyeah
18:02:24gevaertsWe *really* want svg
18:02:32Lemmingthat was jpg from samsung site
18:02:55bertriknice, I'll have to look again what those bits mean (wasn't it the sd mode for some pins?)
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18:03:19funman0 = xpd = gpio
18:03:37funman01 = sd-mci interface
18:04:45bertrikso, does sd-mci still work then?
18:05:30Lemminghaven't worked with svg...
18:06:22funmanbertrik: yes
18:08:51bertrikfunman, cool
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18:10:34funmanbertrik: does it work for you?
18:10:42funmani'll have a mkamsboot for you to test too
18:10:55bertrikfunman, I don't have a clipv2, but I can try on my clipv1
18:11:45bertrikI prefer to try it in rockbox.sansa first, before flashing a bootloader
18:11:49funmanoh
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18:11:57funmanwho has a v2 ?
18:12:15funmanand does the v1 use GPIOD ?
18:13:02bertrikhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSHardwareMappings says only for button light
18:13:55funmanthe matrix is all on GPIOD for clipv2 (3 input 3 output)
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18:19:46bertrikfunman, at least on my clip v1 things still appear to work (disk io and buttons) with CCU_IO = 0
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18:47:06kugelnice, do you have an svg version
18:47:11kugel?
18:51:14ScHlAuChihi, is there a way to activate sound-output while fast-forwarding?
18:51:41lebelliumkugel: from what I understood he used the pic on the Samsung website so there is copyright issue...
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20:22:24saratogafunman: i have a clipv2
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20:23:02funmansaratoga: can you test the CCU_IO patch?
20:23:08webguest99hai
20:23:14saratogafunman: link?
20:23:26saratogahttp://pastie.org/3276900 ?
20:23:48funmanexact
20:23:57saratogain the main build or bootloader?
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20:27:56funmanboth actually
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20:39:57saratoga_funman: buttons work fine in the main build
20:40:09saratoga_anything else i should try before the bootloader?
20:40:53funmannope
20:41:15funmanit should only (not) affect storage and if rockbox loaded, storage works
20:41:35saratoga_"Home + Select If there is an audio file playing, return to the While Playing Screen (WPS) without stopping playback."
20:41:41saratoga_i simply cannot get this to work on my Clip+
20:41:49saratoga_is the manual correct?
20:45:09saratoga_actually, a dumb question: why doesn't "left" at the home screen take you to the WPS if the music is playing?
20:45:12funmanhmm it works for me but i have a week old build or so
20:45:22saratoga_right now left does nothing
20:45:52saratoga_that seems much more intuitive then a double key combination
20:46:00funmanindeed
20:46:10funmani like this one because it's also keylock
20:46:18funmanso double press = go to wps, lock
20:47:12n1si'm pretty sure that was discussed at the time the menu structure was remade last but i don't remember any details
20:47:35saratoga_the whole clip+ keymap thing annoys me, but keymaps are so awful in general i try not to get involved
20:47:55n1sthe discussions about them are certainly bad
20:49:04ScHlAuChidoes anyone know if there is a way to activate sound-output while fast-forwarding?
20:49:09saratoga_there isn't
20:49:21saratoga_well i'd like to either have home go back to WPS unconditionally, or else have left at the main menu go to the WPS if music is playing
20:49:29ScHlAuChiwhy not? ;)
20:49:34saratoga_right now i don't seem to be able to get back to WPS at all short of resuming
20:49:46saratoga_which is actually really annoying
20:50:02saratoga_ScHlAuChi: we don't have code to do it
20:50:11n1sScHlAuChi: because noone implemented it
20:50:19ScHlAuChii see
20:50:28ScHlAuChicause i found that quite useful on the iriver
20:50:36saratoga_well get to work on it
20:50:39ScHlAuChiwhen you fast forwarded you heard small "blips"
20:50:50ScHlAuChiwhich made it easy to determine where you are int he track
20:50:52n1ssaratoga_: i don't know the layout on the clip but usually a play button is used to go to the wps when in some menu
20:51:06saratoga_we don't have a play button, just select and home
20:51:09saratoga_and neither does that!
20:51:14ScHlAuChisaratoga: i would do it if i was a programmer :P
20:51:38ScHlAuChiheres my coding skills:
20:51:46ScHlAuChi10 PRINT "Hello"
20:51:49ScHlAuChi20 GOTO 10
20:51:51ScHlAuChi;)
20:51:53saratoga_its not necessary for you to tell us that
20:52:56ScHlAuChinope, but now i know at least that it doesnt exist and no one works on it
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20:54:20saratoga_after i finish testing the clipv2 i'm going to try the latest clip+ official build and see if i can figure out whats going on with the manual
20:54:26saratoga_but really this keymap needs work
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21:00:21saratoga_funman: works fine
21:00:35funmannice, thanks
21:00:51saratoga_this fixes the bricked clipv2 problem?
21:01:01saratoga_or is part of it rather
21:01:20funmanpart of it - it only fixes the button
21:01:51funmani need to pay some attention to booting (mkamsboot) - can't right now as my kernel usb/sd code crashed again
21:05:15saratoga_yeah i can't get that WPS combo to work
21:05:19saratoga_am i doing something wrong?
21:05:33saratoga_with latest build i start music, go to file browser, and then hit home and select
21:05:35saratoga_nothing happens
21:06:06saratoga_did it about ten times
21:08:49funmani press home and then select
21:10:59saratoga_that does it
21:11:12saratoga_so its not "Home + Select" but rather "Home, then select"
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21:17:28bertrikfunman, oh I thought booting was fixed with your vector copying code change
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21:18:50funmanit is fixed but i must try dual boot - it doesn't work every time
21:19:10funmani just have to confirm it with calm head
21:19:27bertrikok
21:19:58funmansaratoga_: yep the manual should be more precise
21:20:10funmankeymap define which key has to be pressed first i think
21:20:13saratoga_going to post in the forums about this
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21:25:09saratoga_posted a forums thread about it
21:26:17saratoga_for the reasons I outlined in that thread, I think i favor remapping the home key and making the current home key on main menu something else
21:26:25saratoga_but i'm not certain thats the best way
21:26:57saratoga_although it does let us do nice things like "double click home" in the file menu to go to WPS without needing to change the other keymaps
21:28:41funmanpersonally i would accept blindly any clip keymap patch, just to make sure the author spend time on it
21:29:51saratoga_the main problem i have with the clip is that its a small player whose kemap requires a lot of eye sight to operate
21:29:58saratoga_makes it really annoying to use if I'm running
21:30:07saratoga_i pretty much have to stop and read through menus
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21:45:15funmanimplement voice control :)
21:45:48saratoga_that would be fun
21:45:58saratoga_would love to see someone try and port the android version to rockbox
21:46:05saratoga_assuming its open source and works offline
21:49:08Lalufuandroid voice recognition requires net
21:50:52funmanto transmit results, or speech data ?
21:51:00saratoga_i guess theres always sphinx
21:51:16Lalufuspeech in the one direction and results in the other, I suppose.
21:52:06saratoga_i know its cloud based, but i thought they had an offline version, but apparently not
21:56:14saratoga_apparently pocket sphinx only needs 20MB for a whole language, so with a limited vocabulary it might be workable
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21:57:50saratoga_apparently also runs realtime on arm9e devices
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22:00:48saratoga_i found some pages saying lang files were about 10MB, and working set was about 20 MB
22:01:10saratoga_but i bet if you just wanted to have a voice interface you'd only need a small vocabulary
22:01:54saratoga_we don't need to dictate text or recognize names and places, just commands
22:02:12saratoga_although i guess a plugin might be nice for things like voice keyboard
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22:13:15lebelliumwhy on the builds page the latest build is 94177e6 while on the home page there are more recents builds?
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22:16:48Tornelebellium: the home page lists commits, not builds
22:16:51Tornethe build is still in progress
22:16:52n1ssomething is really screwy with the website/build system it seems
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22:17:25n1sis it just me getting "Build should have been done 1798m 9s ago, at 16:19:07"
22:18:12n1sand the frontpage says two of the most recent commits are from september 20
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22:18:24Torneoh, i dunno
22:18:27Tornei haven't got the JS
22:18:37Torneor looked closely at the dates
22:18:48n1salso, the revision link for the still running build points to viewvc which just gives an exception
22:19:01n1sin the build table
22:19:24saratoga_anyone looked at the radio keymap changes in FS #11605? i don't use radio but it looks like someone went through and worked on it a bit
22:19:25fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11605 3Clip+ new keymap (patches, unconfirmed)
22:19:38saratoga_the current keymap just says "copied from c200"
22:20:13funmani could look at it
22:21:01n1sah right, git has a time for when the change is made and another for the push (or w/e) and we show the first one it seems
22:22:16Torneyeah, we probably want to show commit timestamps there, not creation
22:22:36n1sand i'd guess that the timer on the page uses the same timestamp
22:22:39Tornesince the commit timestamps are actually ordered (except from merges)
22:23:20n1sright, the cc269ef rev has both dates in october
22:24:20Tornefun.
22:24:43saratoga_what is "ACTION_TREE_ROOT_INIT"?
22:28:13n1sthat's not it though, 1800 minutes ago is yesterday afternoon, assuming that's when the push was made
22:28:44n1sso the timer is probably right but the build has been hung for more than a day ?!
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22:36:29CIA-81Commit 112bc71 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Fix building test plugins on non-touch targets, for real.
22:36:32CIA-81Commit a489a6b in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: stopwatch.lua: Improve button layout. Enable on touchscreen RaaA.
22:36:33CIA-81Commit 7728ff5 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Export runtime detected paths to lua scripts. Adapt stopwatch to not use
22:36:35CIA-81Commit 476fcfa in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Revert "Fix building test plugins on non-touch targets."
22:36:58funmankugel: ?
22:37:26kugelfunman: ?
22:37:28funmanoh i thought you committed something + the revert
22:37:34funmanbut the message change a bit
22:37:54kugelyes, CIA messes the order up
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22:55:49CIA-81Commit 0ae49c2 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Separate default quality setting for encoders.
22:55:51CIA-81Commit 7d8db0a in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: findExecutable(): cleanup log output a bit.
22:55:52CIA-81Commit 3e0f2b3 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Use relative paths to quazip includes.
22:55:52CIA-81Commit 933a674 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: libmp3lame: add quality and volume settings.
22:55:52CIA-81Commit 4105c82 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Centralize settings for executable based TTS systems.
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23:19:08CIA-81Commit d216cc7 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Remove touchscreen mode setting from reversi. It's now done in do_menu().
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