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#rockbox log for 2012-01-30

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00:19:35CIA-81Commit 8222388 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: reversi: Fix viewport initialization. Improve button layout for portrait. Enable for toucschreen RaaA.
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00:52:52CIA-81Commit 3e13fcd in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: clix: Add cells for 320x480. Enable for touchscreen RaaA.
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01:04:32CIA-81Commit e7892c9 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: clix: Remove redundant touchscreen mode setting. Remove blocks on touch release (to avoid accidental moves).
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02:02:49JdGordonsaratoga_: ACTION_TREE_ROOT_INIT is IIRC a hack i added to so you could hold << in the filebrowser and it would stop in / untill you released and pressed << again to get to the main menu
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02:10:46funman20:08 < funman> the rockbox system is nice because it does dynamic build ->
02:10:46funman slave allocation
02:10:46funman20:09 < tomprince> buildbot will do that too. Although it doesn't have the
02:10:46DBUGEnqueued KICK funman
02:10:46funman smarts to base it on previous build times.
02:10:46funman20:10 < tomprince> (and does support giving a build to multiple slaves
02:10:49funman speculatively.
02:11:03funmanbuildbot is easily extensible with python
02:13:06funman20:12 <+djmitche> funman: images for turned text? Use HTML5, man! :)
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06:15:08CIA-81Commit d1b47c2 in rockbox by 03Rafaël Carré: Clipv2: fix button reading on some models
06:28:15funmanWe will need a new mkamsboot / rbutil (don't we ALWAYS need a new rbutil?) / clipv2 bootloader release
06:28:33funmanmkamsboot / rbutil after i push the proper fix
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06:44:04tertuthe mouse feature is extra fun
06:44:12tertui must say
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06:45:34tertui just started up my old iPod 4G to mess around with rockbox again, and i'm loving it
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07:06:22[Saint_]I'd *love* to be able to integrate that feature with absolute point touchscreens.
07:07:45[Saint_]I'm sure it would be possible, but, not necessarily practical.
07:13:13tertuIt could be a virtual trackpad of sorts with those...
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07:32:31[Saint_]Is there a "What is Rockbox" blurb somewhere I can steal and not have to edit too much to be valid for RaaAoA?
07:33:41CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
07:33:41*[Saint_] isn't keen on too much writing, but I'd like ery curious about the project.to do a bit of a blog post about it as there's several people in an Android community I'm involved in that are v
07:33:55[Saint_]eeeek!
07:34:26[Saint_]*but I'd like to do a bit of a blog post about it as there's several people in an Android community I'm involved in that are very curious about the project.
07:35:04[Saint_](its also a fine chance for me to get some extensive theme testing done)
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08:26:53funmanhum now i can't boot my clipv2 with rockbox anymore
08:33:39funmanok, wrong alarm
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08:43:13[Saint_]Argh!
08:43:18[Saint_]WHat the fuck!
08:43:42[Saint_]How is two different pieces of essentially the same code giving completely different results!?!
08:44:43kugelsubtle differences
08:44:49[Saint_]*What the twiddle-dee-dee
08:45:37[Saint_]kugel: Its literally the same code, just calling different viewports. That's all. Yet for some reason they behave completely differently
08:45:58[Saint_]...I'm a bit stumped. It makes no sense.
08:46:19kugeltry to diff them
08:47:37[Saint_]Oh, there's no need for that. They're very small sections of code. I'm trying to work on the "stuck" popups.
08:48:29kugelthere's also a problem with scrolling in the menus, but that might be a rockbox issue
08:48:49[Saint_]What's the problem exactly?
08:49:53kugelit always jumps to the top
08:50:12[Saint_]More verbose, please?
08:50:26[Saint_]I'm not seeing any issue with scrolling here.
08:50:30kugelwhen you scroll down (with the thumb or whatever) it just to the top
08:50:34kugeljumps
08:50:54[Saint_]what does?
08:51:04kugelthe list
08:51:19kugelthe first items are displayed
08:52:08[Saint_]I literally just updated, and scrolling is working perfectly as expected.
08:52:23[Saint_]There's no way I can break that with a theme anyway.
08:52:25pixelmaspeaking of scrolling in the menus... I was a bit annoyed yesterday that on touchscreen RaaA that there's a problem when the filename doesn't fit on the screen it doesn't scroll unless selected but there's only one way to select it which means it'll start a new playlist
08:53:28*[Saint_] isn't so sure that's correct.
08:54:13Zagorit's the classic single-click vs double-click dilemma
08:54:40[Saint_]Oooohhh...I see.
08:55:11[Saint_]I can manage to select an item without commencing playback, but it seems like a bit of a hack that its possible to do so.
08:55:24Zagorhow do you do that?
08:55:30[Saint_]put thumb/finger on it and scroll a little...
08:55:45Zagoraha
08:55:45kugelyou can use the dpad (if the device has one)
08:55:46[Saint_]seems to select it, but, not actually "select" it.
08:56:16Zagorkugel: of course, but dpad is pretty much obsoleted on android these days
08:56:18[Saint_]Yes, well...we can't really rely on that being the case.
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08:57:06[Saint_]Hmmm...even then I canonly manage to do this hack scroll/select ~50% of the time.
08:57:15[Saint_]*can only
08:57:25pixelmakugel: mine doesn't
08:58:11[Saint_]there's a "fix" I can think of, but it seems rather ugly.
08:58:30[Saint_]which would be requiring a long press to activate a menu item.
08:58:42[Saint_](ugly...ugly ugly ugly)
08:58:49kugelpixelma: we cant do anything about it. you notice android itself suffers the same
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08:59:35kugelunless we go for double or long click for actually selecting which we probably dont
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09:00:06[Saint_]It might be nice to do that for the filebrowser and database exclusively.
09:00:31[Saint_]less ugly than forcing it everywhere.
09:00:37pixelmacould the selection bar be moved while scrolling (to a certain item, say the second in the list) or some such... hmm, that would only help for longer lists
09:00:46kugelinconsistnecy is ugly in my book
09:01:12[Saint_]pixelma: I was just thinking about trying to keep the line selector central while scrolling.
09:01:49pixelmahow do more than one scrolling line (but only when they need to) look on the screen?
09:02:24[Saint_]terrible.
09:03:30[Saint_]If they're all different lengths, which is likely, they eventually start to scroll at random times compared to each other and it looks a big mess.
09:04:21pixelmacan't remember striking me too ugly in the WPS but I haven''t seen a list like that
09:07:16[Saint_]Some android apps seem to truncate list items in a non-unpleasant way.
09:07:49[Saint_]like "longfilename - track...foo.mp3"
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09:08:28[Saint_]where "..." is the section that doesn't fit.
09:09:31[Saint_]Hmmm...this kinda screws voicing as well.
09:10:20[Saint_]Since there's no way to just highlight an item without actually selecting it if you haven't got a DPAD.
09:10:43[Saint_]this is quite a problem, with no "elegant" fix I can think of immediately.
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09:28:53[Saint_]Hauled over from *-community:
09:29:03[Saint_]Zagor: there's also its complexity.
09:29:16[Saint_]People are daunted by Rockbox a little at first.
09:30:12[Saint_]So I wanted to do a bit of an "THis is what it is, this is what it isn't, these are its basic functions..etc." without having to write the entire thing ;)
09:30:19*[Saint_] isn't much of a writer
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10:12:06telmichgood day
10:15:16[Saint_]I'm sure it is somewhere.
10:15:38[Saint_]How can we help you on this apparently good day, telmich?
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11:27:01kugel[Saint]: the bitmap strop for the title doesn't work correctly
11:27:10kugellooks like the number of strips is off
11:27:34kugelscrolling in the lists works though, not sure how where I got this issue from
11:27:55kugel(/me is just trying out r8
11:27:58kugel)
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11:31:32kugelI'm not sure we want a border around the album art
11:31:49kugelwhile it looks nice with squared art, it probably looks terrible with non-square one
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12:32:30[Saint]kugel: what about the titlebar strip is incorrect?
12:32:50[Saint]Don't just say its wrong, please. ;)
12:33:10[Saint]The code is the same as it is on the other perfectly functional ports.
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12:40:21[Saint]Nevermind, kugel, got it...good catch.
12:42:38[Saint]Good catch, seems I accidentally cut out "Bookmarks".
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12:43:12[Saint]I'll fix it up tomorrow, and put up r00009 with some additional changes.
12:44:45[Saint]kugel: and you've confirmed that the scrolling issue you have is your own, not related issue, correct?
12:45:21[Saint]I was wondering how I'd managed to do the "impossible" and nuke the core with a theme.
12:45:28[Saint](I
12:46:15[Saint](Impossible is quoted Sue to this actually happening before, but, unfortunately not with one of my themes...I would have liked to have that honor)
12:46:24[Saint]*due to
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13:36:47TorneZagor: there's a new gerrit out, 2.2.2: http://gerrit-documentation.googlecode.com/svn/ReleaseNotes/ReleaseNotes-2.2.2.html
13:36:57TorneZagor: We don't really need any of the new features, but it has performance improvements apparently
13:37:03Zagoroooh, shiny new things!
13:37:06TorneZagor: so, may be worth upgrading sometime, but no rush
13:37:25Tornealso the docs now actually explain the access controls correctly, instead of still the way 2.1 did it :)
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13:58:15H140Hi I have just downlaoded and installed the current build. Rolo OK. Set Boot fromDisk. upon restart rockbox hangs at the logo. I then hard reset it and it starts up fine, if I do another restart it hangs again at the RBox logo and I need to do a hard reset
13:58:56marazwhat device are you using?
13:59:29H140H140
13:59:45marazwell, that should have been obvious...
13:59:53H140:-)
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14:02:16H140I'll try the oficial release
14:02:33gevaertsI was just going to ask about that :)
14:04:11H140I'll give you feedback
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14:16:17Lemminghi all
14:16:28Lemmingis there any free software to edit svg's?
14:16:41gevaertsinkscape
14:17:05Lemmingok thx)
14:18:08Lemminggevaerts I wabt to draw a r0 icon for the site
14:18:54gevaertsLemming: there are several examples in the source tree
14:19:12gevaertsThe same svg is used for the manual
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14:20:38Lemmingdamn
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14:20:56H140I have reverted to V3.10 and rockbox works as sdvertised, from disk and from ROM
14:21:02Lemminglost internet connection
14:21:19Lemmingso i have to draw r0 from scratch?
14:22:36gevaertsLemming: talk to pixelma and/or perfectdrug (although perfectdrug hasn't been online in a while...). They have done several of these images and can probably provide hints
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14:24:23Lemmingok
14:25:08gevaertsH140: good to know. So there's a bug in the current build...
14:29:28H140I peculiarity when playing my only FLAC album (6 tracks), if I start track 1 and FF to 5 seconds before the end, let it play the remaining 5 seconds and it then goes into track 2, FF to 5sec from the end, let it play and go into track 3, (repeat until I'm in the last track), FF to 5 seconds before the end in the last track, when play time reaches 0 it just hangs in that last track, only a hard reset will fix it
14:29:28fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #5 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,5
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14:30:34TorneHmm
14:30:43TorneNot sure what that matched on :)
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14:34:22H140the hanging in the last track of my FLAC album occurs with the v3.10 and the latest current build, (on the odd occasson that I got the current build to load).
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14:46:42wodzhttp://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/01/30/0320236/rockbox-developers-talk-open-source-firmware
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16:36:31Erennice to see rockbox on slashdot :)
16:38:43Zagoryeah. nice article too.
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18:29:18pixelmaI guess I would have gone crazy if I had only used inkscape for those SVGs as I never figured a nice way to work with as accurately as I wanted to. Nice for the final touches though
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18:43:36n1sis the build page in git somewhere?
18:45:23dreamlayersn1s: do you mean http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi ?
18:46:42dreamlayersthat is in www.git/buildserver
18:49:14bertrikI think I'll have a look at fixing the graphics for solitaire using the zip file posted in the clip zip forum thread
18:50:55n1sunless i'm missing something it seems to be missing
18:51:46n1sdreamlayers: yes, i meant that but i can't see it in that dir
18:52:43dreamlayersn1s: this is part of it: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=www.git;a=blob;f=buildserver/showbuilds.pl;h=88200af9cc50ca51dc6636f909e93b3b224b7b35;hb=HEAD
18:53:09n1sit's generated?
18:54:03n1swell, thanks anyway
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19:11:13dreamlayershow do i get rid of unwanted automatic links in the wiki, where a word contains multiple capital letters but there is no corresponding page?
19:11:49n1sput a ! directly in front of the word
19:12:45dreamlayersthanks
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19:27:40*n1s crosses fingers
19:31:27n1syay, i managed to push a change to gerrit
19:32:44n1scould someone who knows the website stuff review my oneliner in http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,78 ?
19:35:10AlexPn1s: You should invite them to review it on gerrit!
19:38:57dreamlayersi'm not a web expert but this seems trivial and correct. Is there any reason why I shouldn't +2 this?
19:40:45bertrikbecause you're not a web expert? :P
19:41:15dreamlayersok, fine just +1 :)
19:44:11n1sAlexP: invite would be "add reviewer" ?
19:44:20AlexPn1s: I believe so
19:44:49n1sok
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20:15:45saratogawhere are we at with the forums software spam upgrade?
20:16:45gevaertsWaiting for scorche to have time to look into it
20:22:46saratogawhat do your changes do?
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20:26:41[Saint]Did I see someone the other day complain of highly distorted playback in RaaA?
20:26:53gevaertsThe only actual user-visible change is that whatever akismet marks as spam isn't added as most recent post and things like that any more, so it shouldn't leave any trace. For people who can get at the akismet page (global moderators?), spammer usernames will be clickable for easier banning, and there will be a "delete spam from this poster" link to allow quickly getting rid of the mass spam and then review the rest for false positives
20:27:12[Saint]I appear to be having this same issue.
20:28:30[Saint]RaaA sounds like ass for <some_reason>, even at low volumes.
20:32:24saratogasome other forums have a "delete as spammer" option available for all power users
20:32:38saratogawhich basically just freezes an account and marks all their posts as spam
20:32:44saratogathat would be nice as well
20:32:58gevaertsYes, but it's all work
20:33:09saratoga:)
20:33:41gevaertsWhat we need first I think is a way to tell akismet about missed spam
20:35:09dfktgo evil closed source corporate style... vBulletin for the win ;)
20:35:47pixelma[Saint]: I believe it was evilnick, not sure though
20:36:04[Saint]pixelma: thanks.
20:36:10saratogadfkt: i do like vBulletin
20:36:23dfktit sure works well, indeed
20:36:39pixelma[Saint]: I myself run an age old build, so can't tell
20:37:13[Saint]pixelma: any particular reason for that?
20:37:37pixelmaloazyness and real life (TM) ;)
20:37:46[Saint]Heh.
20:37:48pixelmalazyness too
20:37:53[Saint]Fair enough.
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20:38:44[Saint]pixelma: you know the rasher unmodified builds are back up?
20:39:06saratogai noticed we're running an older branch of SMF, what was the reason for that?
20:39:29bertrikmy patch for sansa clip zip solitaire/blackjack graphics is at g79
20:39:29fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #79 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,79
20:39:32gevaertssaratoga: migrating is work :)
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20:40:42computa_mikequick question : I have an old Ipod Nano, which had some track that I had transfered there using ITUNES - I've installed rockbox, but now I want to get rid of these old songs (they're actually onld podcast episodes). How do I do it?
20:41:55n1sdelete them
20:42:30[Saint]I think he needs more input ;)
20:42:55[Saint]Its safe to just wipe out all the iTunes related folders on the device.
20:42:58[Saint]That'll do it.
20:43:06computa_mikecool
20:43:33Torneit stores them under ipod_control or whatever it's called
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20:43:42Torneif you don't care about the OF yo ucan just delete it, yes
20:43:49[Saint]Everything except /.rockbox, and any folders you put there manually, pretty much.
20:44:11bertrik(OF = original firmware, in this context)
20:44:16n1sthe ipod_control thing might be hidden, for some reason i remember it as being
20:44:24Torneit is, yes
20:44:27[Saint]The OF will recreate anything it needs to at next OF boot, iiuc.
20:44:51computa_mike[Saint], how do I boot the original firmware if I wanted to?
20:45:10[Saint]The same way you would normally.
20:45:55computa_mike[Saint], But when I start my ipod it starts rockbox -
20:46:03[Saint]The manual describes this. Boot holding Menu, or boot with the hold key engaged.
20:46:41computa_mike[Saint], ah ... ok I'll try that (for a lark...)
20:46:43[Saint]The manual is a good read, that many people worked hard on...its an eye opener.
20:47:07computa_mike[Saint], I'll download it
20:47:10gevaertsWe won't tell you how it ends :)
20:47:18[Saint]Hahaha!
20:47:42computa_mikeCool - thanks guys...
20:49:08computa_mike[just to confirm - yup... switch it in, and when the apple logo appears, switch the hold on and viola - crappy apple firmware (with no doom:()
20:49:20computa_mikein = on
20:50:03n1sif you switch hold too late it will boot rockbox and reset your settings so try to get the timing right or use Menu
20:50:41computa_mikeright
20:50:59computa_mikegot it working....
20:51:03computa_mike\o/
20:51:12computa_mikethanks guys... see you later
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21:14:17telmichgood evening
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21:26:08CIA-81Commit 54044fd in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Apply "Skip to outro" and specific skip lengths to individual tracks in a cuesheet.
21:28:39CIA-8154044fd build result: All green
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21:42:52telmichI try to install rochbox on a ipod nano v1, but get this error message: http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/unix/progs/rockbox/ipodpatcher-program
21:43:03telmichI'm running as root, what may I be doing wrong?
21:44:40[Saint_]Got a pastebin? Driveby downloads are no fun...
21:45:17saratogaits a link to a text file, it just doesn't open as one for some reason
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21:46:06[Saint_]I downloaded *.bin
21:46:33[Saint_]Either way, no fun :)
21:46:44[Saint_]Especially not on a smartphone :p
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21:47:49gevaertstelmich: is the ipod's filesystem mounted? I'm not sure if it matters, but maybe it does...
21:54:15telmichgevaerts: I tried with and without it being mounted
21:54:25telmich[Saint_]: it's plain text, you can curl' the url
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22:13:05telmichthe player says "use itunes to restore" if I disconnect it - may this be a problem?
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22:15:44n1stelmich: yes, it means the partition table or partitions are corrupted
22:16:03[Saint_]...or worse.
22:16:11n1sthe easiest way to fix it is to actually do what it says and then install rockbox
22:16:43telmichn1s: how would I do that from linux?
22:16:53[Saint_]You wouldn't.
22:17:07saratogaits easiest to find a windows machine
22:17:40[Saint_]There's "iPodManualRestore" in the wiki...but, its a million times easier to just use iTunes.
22:17:53[Saint_]I can't stress that enough.
22:17:55telmichgrmpf
22:18:21gevaerts[Saint_]: it is? Some dd-ing isn't *that* hard...
22:18:31n1sif you feel comfortable with dd and friends the manual method should be fine
22:18:32[Saint_]gevaerts: for us...
22:18:55telmichn1s: sounds good
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22:25:28telmichyeah, that is i great manual, it seems to bootup
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22:34:29telmichfunny rockbox
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23:05:03bertrikgerrit appears to be down
23:12:50AlexPbertrik: Rockbox gerrit?
23:12:53AlexPWorks here
23:13:05AlexPor the web part of it does anyway
23:13:18bertrikI got an application error, but it seems to work again now
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23:37:57scorchesaratoga: we may be running an older branch, but it is still the latest security upgrade for it
23:38:14saratogayeah i saw that
23:38:20saratogawas just curious about the older branch
23:38:27saratogai guess its difficult to upgrade?
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23:38:54CapNemoHello
23:40:07scorchesaratoga: migrating to the new version requires I try the new version out a decent bit to see if it still suits our needs, investigate all of our add-ons and see what functionality we might gain or lose, set up a testing server and do a dry-run of the migration process, fix any issues encountered, then i can roll out changes on the actual server...
23:40:19scorchemaybe next devcon when i can dedicate time to it ;)
23:41:10saratogafair enough
23:41:16dfktscorche, i wanted to ask you if you could add "sandisk" to the clip zip and fuze+ on the theme site, for consistency's sake... someone obviously couldn't find the themes, due to severe alphabetical disorientation :D
23:42:26scorchedfkt: probably, but not now - i just recent got back after being away for the weekend and havent even looked at IRC logs yet =/
23:42:38scorchedfkt: if i dont do it in a week, remind me again
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23:42:43CapNemommm I have installed successfully rockbox on my sansa clip, it's working nicely too, but once pluged to usb, it's invisible!! any idea??
23:42:49dfktscorche, sure
23:43:31saratogaCapNemo: you're running 3.10 right? theres no USB support in that, so update to a current build or use the sandisk firmware
23:44:06CapNemosaratoga: hum .. then what should I do to revert to the original ?
23:44:29saratogaCapNemo: hold left when booting up, FWIW we do have a manual that talks about this ;)
23:44:50*CapNemo slaps itself to have forgetten that ...
23:45:40CapNemoah yes impressive manual page!!
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23:55:06CapNemosaratoga: thank you sorry for the stupid question :)
23:55:24saratogano problem
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23:57:46CapNemoyep works perfectly
23:57:51CapNemoand blazing fast!
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