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#rockbox log for 2012-02-06

00:00:21bluebrother^saratoga: http://tinyurl.com/rbutil-dev
00:01:23bluebrother^it will identify itself as 1.2.12, since that's what 1.2.12 should become once I got the build setup working again
00:03:57saratogabluebrother^: works great, i just pasted the URL into the dialog without even downloading it and the file patched just fine
00:04:31saratogahow soon until an official release?
00:05:40funmanjust tested the windows version in wine, works great
00:06:10bluebrother^saratoga: would have been tonight, if my build machine wasn't acting up
00:06:25bluebrother^so it will become next couple of days
00:06:51bluebrother^so you pasted the url into the file open dialog? That works? Wow.
00:07:06saratogayeah
00:07:11saratogathats a standard windows feature though
00:07:26bluebrother^must be, since we have absolutely no code for that in Rockbox Utility :)
00:07:36saratogain the background IE is actually downloading it, and the player gets a link to it in the temporary internet files folder
00:07:42saratogaerr program, not device
00:07:45bluebrother^though I never had the idea of actually trying it
00:08:03bluebrother^but it's really nice.
00:08:09funmanbluebrother^: what machien do you need?
00:08:17saratogaits such a neat feature, MS got into antitrust trouble for it :)
00:08:53bluebrother^funman: the problem is Windows. I have a running machine but it causes problems with windres, likely related to the checkout.
00:09:00funmanah
00:09:06funmanit doesn't build with mingw?
00:09:21bluebrother^I can cross compile for Windows, but something with mingw-cross-env is causing screen reader support to break
00:09:36*bluebrother^ has an idea
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00:14:01bluebrother^argh. Stupid Windows.
00:15:56CIA-10Commit 64f71e6 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: When writing data from repository open file as binary.
00:16:30bluebrother^building on the final machine has to wait until tomorrow though.
00:17:58saratogawith zip support, how hard would it be to grab the sandisk firmware link from a file on the download server? that way people wouldn't have to provide a binary at all
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00:33:32JdGordongevaerts: if we are going to do a early 3.11 we are running out of time
00:34:55funmansaratoga: why just not put the link in rbutil ?
00:35:46bluebrother^saratoga: the problem is that we would need to implement downloading. We can't rely on some IE magic on Linux and OS X :)
00:35:51aarchis the graphics api supported for sansa clip plus ?
00:36:12funmanbluebrother^: we could use libcurl, i know the maintainer ;)
00:36:16bluebrother^plus, I'd like to avoid having fixed links in Rockbox Utility to 3rd party sites. Such links can change at any time
00:36:42bluebrother^funman: thanks, but since Rockbox Utility is Qt based we already use the http support it provides :)
00:36:43funmanthat'd fix the daily question on how to uninstall rockbox on sansa ams
00:36:47funmanah right
00:36:56funmanaarch: which ai?
00:36:57funmanapi*
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00:37:56funmanbluebrother^: in practice the links to sansa didn't change, and we will notice shortly when they do
00:38:11funmanwe'd still need fallback to manual file open
00:38:44aarchfunman: i mean this: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicsAPI
00:39:38funmanExisting implementations:
00:39:39funmanBlack & white core (Targets with monochrome displays)
00:39:54funmanthat includes black, blue and yellow displays
00:42:04aarchokay. got some compilation errors when I tested it out, but maybe it was just my sloppiness
00:42:22aarchyep... forgot rb-> :)
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02:11:26webguest885Hi
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02:13:33webguest885How would I bypass Rockbox on my Archos Jukebox Recorder?
02:13:49[Saint]Define "bypass".
02:14:17webguest885Get to the stock OS
02:14:23webguest885Not run Rockbox at boot
02:16:44gartralwebguest885: uninstall the bootloader?
02:17:13webguest885Installing only required dropping a .ajz and .rockbox file on the HD
02:17:17webguest885No bootloader
02:18:43webguest885Never mind, found my answer in the manual. Maybe I should have check there first...
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03:19:51limescouthi, I'm working on my first plug-in and I can't find out how to get input from different buttons
03:20:30limescoutin the example on the website, button_get only gets the status of the center button on an iPod
03:20:59limescouthow do I use the other buttons on the DAP as well?
03:21:26JdGordonhave a look at pluginlib_actions
03:21:38limescoutalright
03:21:45JdGordonbutton_get will get you any button though
03:21:56JdGordonit returns a bitmask of the pressed button
03:22:28limescoutAh, ok
03:22:56JdGordonbut we would prefer you use pluginlib_actions because it is far easier to port the plugin to a new dap
03:23:21limescoutalright, I'll keep that in mind
03:23:50JdGordon[Saint_]: did you play with the %and() and %or() tags?
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04:36:44CIA-10Commit 691c7a7 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Make generic pcm-mixer.c more generic in the way it writes output.
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04:50:03CIA-10Commit 43e6d7a in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Urgh...actually change all the stuff I'm supposed to.
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09:29:43CIA-10Commit a969c4d in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Frank Gevaerts) rocklife is much more a demo than a game.
09:30:20kugelgerrit is really nice
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09:34:14pixelmaare the builds hanging, or is it a problem in my end?
09:36:07kugelperhaps the commit hash is too odd
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09:40:28pixelmakugel: so, does this commit contain the respective changes to the manual as well?
09:41:04kugelpixelma: yes
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14:08:46pamaurywould someone have an objection if I had an entry to the debug menu for the fuze+ (imx233 more generally) that dumps "all" registers to a file to allow for offline processing ? The reason for this is that the imx233 hardware is complicated, has hundreds of registers and it's just simpler to dump everything to file and use an offline tool to inspect the content (which can even be generated automatically)
14:09:32pamaury(of course there is a bit of redundancy with the debug screens but the debug screens only show a limited amount of information)
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14:17:33MisanthroposI noticed a slight difference on left/right channels using clip+ with a negative balance setting. Somehow it feels like left and right channels are not increasing/decreasing to the same amount. I am not sure if its because of my ear or if its related to calculations.
14:18:41MisanthroposWhen I listen to audiobooks I notice the difference on lower volumes - if you change volume eg from -25 to -24 or -26... it loses it balance a bit
14:18:55gevaertspamaury: if that's more or less safe (i.e. there aren't any regisers that cause stuff to happen on read), that sounds fine to me
14:19:17pamauryof course, I would only dump the registers which are harmless
14:19:37ukleinekMisanthropos: maybe that's because volume has a different stepping than balance
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14:20:28wodzpamaury: for this very purpose it would be much more suitable to push data over serial link to the dedicated decoder software on PC side
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14:21:11pamaurywodz: no, because that would require usb and thus prevent some states (like playback) to be dumped
14:21:33Misanthroposukleinek, thats sounds like it could be the reason. So that is to be expected?
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14:22:15gevaertspamaury: how?
14:22:21wodzpamaury: can't you suppress MSC and expose only usb-2-serial?
14:22:36pamaurythen you need to have a build with usb serial enabled
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14:23:21gevaertsAh, you want to be ble to collect dumps from ohers esily?
14:23:29pamauryyes
14:23:53wodzok, this makes sense
14:24:10pamauryI already have plenty of more or less strange tools for me :)
14:26:24ukleinekMisanthropos: note I have very limited knowledge here, but yes, I think that's expected
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14:30:09pamauryperhaps this mechanism can be generalized to other platforms if found useful
14:31:19Tornewe discussed before having a plugin that did register inspection/poking/dumping with a target-independant UI, i think ;)
14:33:24pamauryand what was the result ?
14:35:18Tornepeople agreed that would be nice ;)
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14:38:48pamauryactually my point was not about having a plugin but that's an interesting idea.
14:39:57pamaurythe inconvenient with the plugin idea is that you need to embed a full description of the registers
14:40:57pamauryfor the i.MX 233, I can generate it pretty much automatically
14:41:46pamauryif someone is willing to provide such a map for another target (say as3525), I would be willing to write the plugin itself
14:44:04pamauryfunman perhaps ? :)
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14:44:40wodzpamaury: you can read map from external file this would make plugin target agnostic
14:45:19pamaurytrue, but that don't change the point, you still need to write the map :)
14:45:23pamaury*doesn't
14:45:30wodzwe can probably preproces .h file from our tree
14:45:32pamauryperhaps you want to do it for the rk27xx ?
14:45:34Tornepamaury: are there any situations where having it in core would be a significant advantage?
14:45:40Tornei think generally a plugin would be nicer
14:45:42pamauryTorne: no
14:45:48pamaurya plugin is ok
14:46:28pamaurywodz: I think we should just agree on a format, at least the general idea
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14:48:41wodzpamaury: general idea is neat but I can see potential problems with it. Dumping registers can alter some state. With lots of registers you will need very big buffer to dump all in one run
14:49:02wodzsaving intermediate stages will change storage related registers at least
14:49:10pamaurywe would only dump the registers which are harmless
14:49:45pamauryI don't understand your problem with big buffers
14:50:02Tornethe plugin buffer is pretty big :)
14:50:22wodznevermind, I just come the same conclusion as Torne :-)
14:50:25pamaurysay that you have 1000 registers, that's still 4 x 1000 bytes
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14:50:35pamauryI'm more concerned with the size of the description actually
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14:53:19gevaertspamaury: how big are those descriptions? 15 bytes each?
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14:54:29pamaurydepends on the target and what you describe. If you describe each register is a tree fashion, I would say addr+text ~ 20 bytes average
14:54:45pamaurybut describing the actual fields of the registers is interesting too
14:55:01pamauryI can try for the imx233 and give you a quick overview
14:55:58gevaertsI think having individual bits is never going to be done for more than the first target (if even that). Too much work
14:56:27pamauryI can generate them automatically :) But that's optional
14:56:33wodzeek, individual fields is a work of processing on PC side
14:56:57pamaurywithout the fields, you need the doc which is a pain
14:57:07gevaertsYou need the doc anyway
14:57:10wodzI would simply put addr val and everything else process on PC
14:57:18gevaertsField values are meaningless if you don't know what they mean
14:57:38gevaertsThe short register names can be useful I think
14:58:09wodzgevaerts: short as abbreviated?
14:58:30*Torne alllmost suggests using the register description form he invented for pycorn.
14:58:33Torne:)
14:58:34gevaertswodz: as in the way the defines are usually named
14:58:40Torne(probably not viable, it is actual python)
14:58:41pamauryhum, let's agree on a common basis then and let room for improvements. I really would like register fields for myself but I understand it a bit of work.
14:59:49wodzname addr val ?
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15:00:02pamauryI would prefer a tree
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15:00:12pamauryyou don't want to put all the registers at the root level
15:00:23gevaertsIf you don't do fields, you should be able to fit in the order of 1000 registers in a 32K plugin buffer
15:00:37Tornea tree woudl be nice. possibly some flags or something for "cannot be read without side effects" or whatever
15:00:49Torneand/or read/write state? (in case we want to support poking them :)
15:01:01wodzare we talking about description file or the output file?
15:01:53pamaurywe should agree on the functionality. We want a plugin to be able to 1) dump the registers to a file 2) display them in a tree fashion (perhaps with fields) 3) change their value
15:02:20gevaerts4) integrate with lua ;)
15:02:37gevaertsAnd then 5), write device drivers in lua :)
15:02:45pamauryouch
15:03:22gevaertsSeriously though, I agree with your 3 requirements
15:03:34wodz6) port it to java script
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15:07:17pamaurydepending on whether we want something really readable or not, I propose a format like:
15:07:17pamauryyou organize the registers in a tree. Each line of the file either: 1) add a register at the current level 2) add a new level 3) close the current level
15:07:17pamauryFor example:
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15:07:17pamauryPLL 0x80001000
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15:07:21pamaury-
15:07:23pamaury+DMA
15:07:25pamaury+CH0
15:07:27pamaurySEMA 0x800...
15:07:29pamaury-
15:07:32pamaury+CH1
15:07:34pamaury...
15:07:36pamaury-
15:07:38pamaury...
15:07:40pamaury-
15:08:35pamauryperhaps add some flags for R/W
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15:08:47*Torne suggests going ahead and using indentation for the tree.
15:08:49gevaertsDo we want this to be loaded from a file?
15:09:03Tornegevaerts: seems nice. means you can hack it without recompiling :)
15:09:18pamauryTorne: yeah, I though about using indentation too
15:09:28pamaurynicer probably
15:10:18Tornealso would be nice to support things being offsets from their parent's base address
15:10:41*gevaerts nods
15:10:59Tornethen at minimum you can copypasta bits easier.
15:11:09Tornemaybe #include/macro if someone feels the need to go that far.
15:11:33pamauryperhaps have something like:
15:11:33pamaury<name> <addr>
15:11:33pamauryall subfields addresses are related to their parents
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15:11:33pamauryand only leaves are actual registers
15:12:25pamauryalso make address mandatory for leaves and with an optional R/W/whatever qualifier
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15:12:57Tornei'd allow both addresses and offsets
15:13:06Tornemaybe +100 or whatever
15:13:27Torneallowing absolute addresses lets you have, say, a group that's just a bunch of ID registers from places, or whatever
15:13:35Tornewithout having to use ridiculous offsets
15:13:38gevaertsI'd say addresses, offsets, and bit ranges. That gives you fields without introducing extra syntax
15:13:51TorneHeh
15:13:59TorneAre you going to allow 10,4:0 though? :)
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15:14:44gevaertsLet's make it masks and shifts :)
15:15:14Torneanyway. start with the basics ;)
15:16:30*pamaury wants register fields too
15:16:55Tornesure, but if we have a tree syntax where things can be relative to their parents that's easy to add later without breaking anything
15:17:22pamaurysure, but fields are quite different from the rest.
15:17:25TorneNot really
15:17:37Torneat least, i don't see why
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15:18:19Tornegroup foo at base address 0x1234 with members at offsets 0, 4, 8 looks very much like register foo at base address 0x1234 with fields at bits 0-3, 4-7
15:18:30pamaurythey don't really fit the <name> <addr> things, that would rather be <name> <start> <end>, except if you use masks
15:18:47Tornewho says "addr" has to be an int?
15:18:57Torne4:0 or whatever
15:19:01pamauryyou need to be able to tell whether it's a register of a field
15:19:06pamaury*or
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15:19:22gevaertsThat's a prefix
15:19:41Torneright. my suggestion here is "1234" is an absolute address, "+12" is an offset, "4:0" is a field
15:19:44Torneor similar
15:19:45gevaerts*0xwhatever is an address, &0xwhatever is a mask, +0xwhatever is an offset, <0xwhatever is a shift
15:20:04Torne0x is icky, i would hope we can assume addresses are hex.
15:20:22Torneand writing fields with bit numbers looks more like a datasheet than a mask/shift..
15:20:22pamauryfor bitfields, decimal is useful :)
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15:20:30Torneyes, see under "addresses"
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15:21:10pamauryand converting between them is not hard, let's not add too many features in the parser
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15:21:54kugelpguys, this clearly needs xml
15:21:58pamauryno!!!
15:22:29gevaertsasn.1 is clearly better!
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15:24:16pamauryand what about the R/W thing ? some registers are dangerous
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15:33:14pamauryactually, I wouldn't be against describing the registers with some others format (xml ? c ?) and generating these files but that's just a suggestion
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15:36:58pamauryjlbiasini: hi
15:37:07jlbiasinihi
15:37:32pamauryis your fuze+ storage still non-working ?
15:37:35jlbiasiniI saw you went forward on the radio! is it working now?
15:37:47jlbiasiniyes that why I'm stuck
15:38:01pamauryIt works on mine but it requires some modifications in the radio code, it's under review currently
15:38:08pamauryhttp://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,84
15:38:10Tornepamaury: sure, yeah, the format doesn't have to be like that on disk
15:38:24Tornewell, not on target
15:38:25Tornei mean.
15:38:37gevaertsI think the dump file should just have address: value
15:38:49jlbiasinido you have any other idea to test on the broken storage?
15:38:59Tornegevaerts: i meant the file the plugin reads
15:39:43jlbiasiniAnyway I ordered a new one that I should get in 2 weeks
15:39:47pamaurynot really, I thought about it again and I don't understand why even rewriting the firmware doesn't work. Perhaps we could try to "erase" some blocks, so they would be free for allocation again but I'm really not sure if it changes anything
15:40:04gevaertsah, right
15:40:12jlbiasinihow could I erase block?
15:40:40jlbiasinianyway the broken device is still available for testing recover solution :D
15:41:01pamaurythere is an emmc command for it
15:41:04pamaurydoes it boot currently ?
15:41:57jlbiasiniyes it is even working as long as it doesn't need to write, I can listen music
15:42:17jlbiasiniuse plugin
15:43:05pamauryjlbiasini: will you be on irc this evening ? I have written a tool with which we could experiment
15:43:47jlbiasiniok I'll try to be connected
15:44:14jlbiasiniin the meantim i'll have a lot at this emmc command
15:44:21jlbiasini*look
15:45:32pamaurythe tool I wrote always to send arbitrary ssp commands to the flash, so we can try to init the emmc and send send an erase command, we don't even need to write more code normally
15:45:38pamaury*allows
15:45:51jlbiasinipamaury: ohoh in what package is it? I don't seem to have any emmc command
15:46:15pamauryI've not published it, it's in my tree
15:46:19pamaurywait a minute
15:46:23jlbiasinioh ok
15:50:04gevaertsZagor: didn't you have a makefile at some point to generate www/playerpics from the manual svgs?
15:50:44pamauryjlbiasini: pamaury/pa-tools/tree/master/fuze+/recovery_util">https://github.com/pamaury/pa-tools/tree/master/fuze+/recovery_util
15:51:25jlbiasinipamaury: cool thanks! I'll try
15:51:46pamaurytry to compile it first, tell me if I forgot some files
15:53:10jlbiasiniit's in fuze+/recovery_util right?
15:53:16pamauryyes
15:54:21pamauryjlbiasini: you use it this way: https://gist.github.com/1752520
15:54:21pamaurybut this one only works for a sd interface, the fuze+ uses an emmc interface. I would prefer that you wait for my instructions but in case you want to try, you basically need to replicate the init sequence of mmc-imx233.c just like I reproduced the one of sd-imx233.c
15:55:22jlbiasiniI'll wait your instruction then! :D tonight? On what time?
15:56:13jlbiasinithere seems to be /elftosb missing
15:57:01pamauryyeah, you need to add symlinks to the differents tools
15:57:08pamauryor modify the Makefile
15:57:16pamaury6pm or 7pm
15:57:36jlbiasinivery good!
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16:02:46jlbiasinipamaury: now there seems to be a hdr.bin file missing... or is it related to the mmc init already?
16:03:24pamaurythe hdr.bin file is not needed, it's just useful for a hack when the device uses an encryption key
16:03:28pamaurylet me modify the makefile
16:04:08pamaurydone
16:05:34jlbiasiniok this is compiling ok
16:06:20jlbiasinisee you on 6 or 7 pm thrn
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18:02:33jlbiasinipamaury: should we try your code? do you have time to give me instruction now?
18:02:47pamauryI'm checking the init sequence
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18:03:01jlbiasiniok
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18:09:32pamauryjlbiasini: try this: https://gist.github.com/1753380
18:09:58pamauryat the end it should hexdump the mbr, you can check that if works by looking for the 55 aa signature
18:12:55pamauryah I forgot: did you add the symlinks or modify the Makefile to have the sb tools to produce recovery.sb ?
18:13:47jlbiasinipamaury: I cannot git clone that: it complain about a missing "fatal: https://gist.github.com/1753380/info/refs not found"
18:14:14jlbiasini"did you run git update-server-info on the server?"
18:14:16pamauryjust copy paste
18:14:17Torneyou can't clone like that
18:14:18pamaury;)
18:14:26jlbiasiniok
18:14:36Torneif you want to clone it there is a url for that given that will work
18:14:41jlbiasinigit and not gist !! :D
18:14:41pamauryI suggest you copy it to a file (mmc_read.sh)
18:14:42Tornebut just the gist web url won't
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18:16:34pamauryjlbiasini: it is using recovery mode so the procedure is: 1) plug the fuze+ in recovery mode 2) run mmc_read.sh
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18:17:12jlbiasiniok
18:17:56jlbiasinibut I have to lauch this mmc_read.sh from within the recovery_util directory, right?
18:18:14pamauryyes
18:18:33pamauryand after running make with success
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18:21:59jlbiasiniok, I also need sbloader and I need to be root...
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18:23:30jlbiasiniand read_util this one I don't know where to find it...
18:23:51pamauryin the read_util subdirectory
18:24:33pamauryutil_reader/ sorry
18:24:58pamauryyou can build it with make too
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18:26:15jlbiasiniread_util.c:122:56: warning: unused parameter int_ep [-Wunused-parameter] is this bad?
18:26:47pamauryno, normal warning
18:27:50jlbiasiniok mmc_read now make the transfert and then "transfer error at init step"
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18:28:24pamaurydid you run sbloader by hand before ?
18:28:31jlbiasinifound a match at blahblah, tranfert size 1024
18:28:45jlbiasinieuh no? what do I have to do?
18:29:21pamauryah, your sbloader is probably not up to date
18:29:45pamauryjust replace the first line by this:
18:29:45pamaury./sbloader 1024 recovery.sb &&
18:31:04jlbiasinibut I let the \ at the end, right?
18:32:19pamaurydon't need to
18:32:50jlbiasiniit did something! address number everywhere! what do I look for?
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18:34:10pamauryat the end, it should dump the mbr in hex and char form
18:34:30pamauryit should end with 55 aa
18:35:12jlbiasinihum if I'm looking the output correctly mine end with 00 00 00 00
18:35:47pamauryjlbiasini: the end of the output should look like this:
18:35:47pamauryhttps://gist.github.com/1753380#comments
18:36:32pamaurycan you pastebin the whole output actually ?
18:36:39pamaurythat will be faster*
18:36:59jlbiasiniouch! my dump is 2 line long!!
18:37:39pamaurynot normal :)
18:37:55pamaurythen paste it here
18:38:06pamaurymine is actually hundreds lines long
18:38:42jlbiasinialso it seem to be trying several time because the output get repeated
18:38:55jlbiasini20 00 10 e0 73 02 00 00 80 80 ff 40 30 9c 05 08 ...s......@0...
18:39:02jlbiasini74 51 99 14 26 c2 03 35 00 00 00 00 tQ..&..5........
18:39:24pamaurythe sends lots of commands, they look the same but are not, please pastebin the entire output
18:39:30pamaury*the script
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18:42:25jlbiasinipamaury: https://gist.github.com/1753579
18:44:07pamauryhum, apparently the emmc is not yet ready, the script is a bit hacky on this point, give me a minute to get something more reliable
18:44:18jlbiasiniok
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18:50:00pamauryjlbiasini: try this: https://gist.github.com/1753380#comments
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18:52:32jlbiasinipamaury: Yes this way I've got my 55 aa
18:54:28pamauryok, some it means we can correctly send commands to the emmc
18:54:42pamaurynow the idea is to erase some blocks and see what it does
18:54:46jlbiasinihttps://gist.github.com/1753671
18:55:17jlbiasinithere are different results not all the time the big output
18:55:36jlbiasinialso two lined ones with different values
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18:55:53pamaurysome values are not deterministic in the output
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18:56:07jlbiasinicool!! Let's broke the broken device! :D
18:56:22pamauryall you need to plug the device, run mmc_read.sh and if you get the aa 55 don't do anything and wait for my instructions :)
18:56:28pamauryhow large is the internal storage ?
18:56:42jlbiasini16 GB
18:57:03jlbiasinialso Byte not bit
18:57:38jlbiasinino problem I wait
18:58:51jlbiasinianyway I notice the commend does not work twice in a row: I first have to unplug it before retrying the mmc_read... is it normal?
18:58:59pamauryyes
18:59:15pamaurybecause it tries to resend the firmware every time
18:59:26pamaurylet's call it a security measure :)
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19:01:33pamaurysorry for the delay, I'm making the computations
19:01:51kumyhi all :)
19:02:01jlbiasinii'll survive :D
19:02:11pamaurykumy: you are the fuze+ owner with the flash problem ?
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19:02:28kumypamaury: here I am :) do you have some time to help me flash my fuze+ again ?
19:02:32kumypamaury: yes :)
19:02:47pamaurykumy: I'm busy right now with jlbiasini but after that I can help you
19:02:56pamauryjlbiasini: send this
19:03:21pamaury./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 read resp 17 0x1D8F5AC -
19:03:25kumypamaury: no problem, just ping me
19:03:37pamauryit should *not* output a big hex blob
19:03:56jlbiasiniit did
19:03:56pamauryexcept if I did the math wrong
19:04:04jlbiasini:(
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19:05:16jlbiasinihttps://gist.github.com/1753746
19:05:33jlbiasinihey so I'm not the only one with a flash problem?
19:05:54pamauryah ok, it's cylinder aligned, replace the hex number with 0x1DA9000
19:06:13pamauryjlbiasini: it's not the same problem, he ran output of power during a flash update, so the firmware is probably corrupted
19:07:16kumypamaury, jlbiasini: this is a good description of the problem
19:07:39jlbiasinipamaury: big hex block strike back...
19:08:33pamauryjlbiasini: that's impossible ! It's supposed to read a non-existent sector !
19:08:34jlbiasinihttps://gist.github.com/1753772
19:09:20pamauryare you sure you only have 16Gb ?
19:10:09pamauryok, let's be sure: try with 0x3B6F000
19:10:17jlbiasinieuh? I didn't look exatly the size of the partition! I have the 16GB model
19:10:30jlbiasiniit might be not exactly 16GB
19:11:16jlbiasini/dev/sde1 2048 7831551 3914752 b W95 FAT32
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19:11:56jlbiasinijep no big hex block this time
19:12:52pamauryok, so we'll try to erase a few sector at the end of the FAT partition
19:13:08jlbiasinihit me :D
19:14:26pamauryrun this and pastebin the output
19:14:26pamaury./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 nodata resp 35 0x1D8F5A2 -
19:14:53pamauryit sets the address of the first sector to erase (CMD35, ERASE_GROUP_START )
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19:16:22jlbiasiniwhat should be the output?
19:16:45pamaurynumbers as usual, but the exact value is important, to check for success
19:17:21jlbiasiniI have only a 2 line hex block
19:17:41pamaurythat's normal, what is the value after resp0=
19:17:42pamaury?
19:18:03jlbiasini0x900
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19:18:31pamaurygood, it means success and stayed in tran mode
19:19:13pamaurynow same procedure with this:
19:19:13pamaury./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 nodata resp 36 0x1D8F5A8 -
19:19:13pamauryit sets the address of the first sector to erase (CMD36, ERASE_GROUP_END )
19:20:11jlbiasiniresp0=0x900
19:20:16kumy^first^end^ ?
19:21:13pamaurygood, now we will erase !
19:21:13pamaury./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 nodata resp 38 0 -
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19:22:03jlbiasiniresp0=0x800
19:24:08jlbiasiniso now? unplug replug format?
19:24:52pamauryseems to have work. No send a last command to get the status:
19:24:53pamaury./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 nodata resp 13 0x1000 -
19:25:22jlbiasiniresp0=0x800
19:27:52pamauryhum, ok I guess this is normal, at least no error is signalled. So it means erase can work. The flash can't be completely dead if it accepts that
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19:28:28jlbiasinigood
19:29:10pamauryif you are willing to take the risk, you could erase more sectors and see if writes suceed then. But ideally, we should only erase the unused sectors of course
19:30:24jlbiasiniwell it's mostly full of file anyway
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19:31:30jlbiasiniwell it's mostly full of file anyway
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19:32:08jlbiasiniso to erase I set the first sector, then the last and tell to erase, riht?
19:32:15pamauryyes
19:33:08pamauryyou could try to lower the first sector, to erase a few megabytes for example and see if it still suceeds
19:33:22pamauryand then try to boot and write something
19:34:15jlbiasinihow many bit are the adress? 4?
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19:34:39pamauryall bits, 0x1D8F5A2 is a sector address
19:34:46jlbiasiniok
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19:35:06pamauryif I'm correct, the last sector of the FAT partition is 0x1D8F5AC-1
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19:36:09pamauryI let you experiment
19:36:21jlbiasiniok
19:36:40pamauryI have no idea if it will ever work again :(
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19:36:48pamaurykumy: still there ? are you running linux ?
19:37:22kumypamaury: here... linux.. of course ;)
19:37:26jlbiasiniAs I said I already order another one anyway, but its interesting to see what can be done however
19:37:49pamauryjlbiasini: what is the address of the bootloader on the server ?
19:38:24jlbiasiniwow good question! wait I will have a look
19:38:26pamaurykumy: do you have the build tools ?
19:38:46kumypamaury: yes, also have of .sb, and a patched one
19:39:11kumyalready played with sbloader...
19:39:21funmanpamaury: why do you need a map ?
19:39:23kumyrecovery.sb just upload fine
19:39:29funmanwrite all 4GB to a file, done! :)
19:39:57pamaurykumy: you will need to send a special version of the bootloader to be able to dd to the firmware partition
19:40:22kumypamaury: ok, waiting for your instructions ;)
19:40:32jlbiasinihttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/fuzeplus/bootloader-fuzeplus.sansa
19:40:57pamaurykumy: first download the file jlbiasini just linked to
19:41:06kumydone
19:41:24pamauryput it in rbutil/mkimxboot/
19:41:34pamaurycd to that directory and run make if not already done
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19:42:08kumymkimxboot is already built
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19:43:20pamauryok cool, run it with these parameters:
19:43:20pamaurymkimxboot -i <the sansa file> -b <the sandisk firmware.sb file> -o recovery.sb -t recovery
19:43:37pamaury(it's similar to a normal build except that you add -t recovery basically)
19:44:01jlbiasinipamaury: 1 MB = 8x1024x1024 bits, right?
19:44:13kumy./mkimxboot -i bootloader-fuzeplus.sansa -b sandisk-firmware.sb -o recovery.sb -t recovery
19:44:28pamauryjlbiasini: yes but beware the emmc addresses are in sector (one sector=512 bytes)
19:44:37pamauryright
19:44:47jlbiasiniarf ok
19:44:48pamaurywhen done, you send recovery.sb with sbloader
19:45:09kumypamaury: http://pastebin.com/cMvBehBS
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19:46:08pamaurykumy: sandisk-firmware.sb needs to be latest of from sandisk (version 2.38.6 iirc)
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19:46:13kumyhum, I inversed -i and -b files...
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19:46:30pamauryah right my mistake
19:46:51kumybetter... ;)
19:47:03kumyok, recovery.sb built
19:47:10pamauryjlbiasini: for information: 0x1DA9000*512 ~= 16Gb
19:47:31pamaurykumy: now send it using sbloader. On the screen it should say the MMC window has been disabled
19:47:45kumy./sbloader 1024 recovery.sb
19:48:42kumyyes , then no partition found\n usb: connecting \n bootloader usb mode
19:48:52pamaurygood
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19:49:22pamaurynow you build an actual firmware image:
19:49:22pamaury./mkimxboot -b bootloader-fuzeplus.sansa -i sandisk-firmware.sb -o firmware.sb -t dualboot
19:49:26jlbiasiniso 1MB is basicly 4000 sector
19:49:27kumynautilus gave me some errors, would you like I pastebin it ?
19:49:39pamauryno, it won't be able to mount it anyway
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19:50:10pamaurykeep it connecting while building the firmware.sb file. We will then dd it, I just need to remember the tricky detail
19:50:31jlbiasiniand I've set ./util_reader/read_util 066f:3780 ssp_cmd 2 nodata resp 35 0x1D8B5A2 - and I get resp0=0x10000900 is it normal?
19:50:41kumyfirmware.sb built
19:51:17pamauryjlbiasini: it means "An error in the sequence of erase commands occurred."
19:51:23jlbiasinieh I meant 4000 in haxa count!
19:51:31jlbiasinidamned
19:51:47pamaurykumy: can you run fdisk on the disk ? There should be exactly one partition with type 0x53
19:52:00pamaurywhich one is it ?
19:52:04kumyyes
19:52:11kumy/dev/sdb2 1025 101376 50176 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3
19:53:22pamauryok, now you need to dd the firmware.sb file to this partition but *BEWARE*, there is an offset (which is 4 iirc). So you need to run:
19:53:22pamaurydd if=firmware.sb bs=512 skip=4 of=/dev/sdb2
19:53:56pamauryfunman: I thought about dumping the 4Gb but I figured out it was too easy :)
19:54:17kumywhat will be the problem if the offset is not 4 ?
19:54:32kumyis it dangerous ? :p
19:54:37pamauryno
19:54:41pamauryit will not boot
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19:54:46pamauryand you can retry :)
19:54:49jlbiasiniok so some part seems to be corrupted and some other not
19:54:53kumyok, as for now ;)
19:54:56pamauryit's either 2 or 4 but I'm pretty sure it's 4
19:55:14kumydd'ing
19:55:39kumydone 35MB copied :)
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19:57:08pamaurykumy: now simply reboot
19:57:10kumypamaury: should I unplugged it and try to boot it now ?
19:57:14kumyok
19:57:19pamauryand pray ;)
19:57:43kumyoups, I got a "panic" when I long press on power
19:58:21pamaurypress any key and boot again
19:59:11kumypamaury: snif, still black screen :(
19:59:43kumypamaury: dmesg give me some errors..
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20:00:03kumyhttp://pastebin.com/p6HVKhJj
20:00:38pamaurywhen exactly did you got the panic ?
20:01:04kumypamaury: when I long pressed on power button to shutdown it.
20:01:12jlbiasinipamaury: what could I try next, the device is still read only
20:01:29kumythen I pressed power again and it stopped.
20:01:36pamauryhum, you should have just unplugged it, sorry I was unclear. Perhaps it caused something weird
20:01:45pamauryok, let's try again
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20:02:18pamaurysame procedure: boot in recovery mode, send recovery.sb using sbloader and then dd firmware.sb
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20:02:37kumyok :)
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20:03:02pamaurywhen done, unplug it. I'll try on mine to be sure
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20:03:18pamaury(if it still doesn't work)
20:03:32kumyhum
20:03:54kumyI got a panic too, (a different error), "mount = 0"
20:04:03pamaurywhen ?
20:04:14kumyjust after usb disconect
20:04:22pamauryyou dd everything already ?
20:04:33kumysure
20:04:42pamauryso it boot but panic now ?
20:05:07kumyno boot... screen is still black
20:05:38pamauryweird, let me check something
20:05:52kumyi've uploaded the recovery.sb again...
20:05:57kumyI'll wait :)
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20:07:02saratogawow i just tested and the sandisk firmware really does do 96khz sampling rate on AMS devices
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20:07:47saratogait reproduces a 30kHz test tone just fine from a flac file
20:08:57pamaurykumy: can you run this:
20:08:57pamauryhexdump -C /dev/sdb2 | head
20:09:06pamaurywhen recovery.sb is running
20:09:31kumyhttp://pastebin.com/79wz7jvb
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20:10:44jlbiasinipamaury: the problem is that the used space change in the partition but the device is still not formatable
20:10:44pamauryhum, not normal, and this: hexdump -s 0x800 -C /dev/sdb2 | head
20:11:24pamauryjlbiasini: how do see the used space has changed ?
20:11:43kumypamaury: http://pastebin.com/8187PJ7s
20:12:01jlbiasiniafter deleting sector gparted show a different used space in the partition
20:12:04pamaurydefinitely strange
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20:12:18pamauryjlbiasini: surprising
20:12:59pamaurykumy: run this:
20:12:59pamaurydd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=4 /dev/sdb2
20:12:59pamauryand then rerun
20:12:59DBUGEnqueued KICK pamaury
20:12:59pamauryhexdump -C /dev/sdb2 | head
20:13:06pamaurysorry, of=/dev/sdb2
20:15:07kumyit zeroed some bits :) http://pastebin.com/VYVQTyEw
20:15:23pamauryah fuck, I know why it didn't work, it's my fault, I confused dd's skip and seek ... So run: (notice the change)
20:15:23pamaurydd if=firmware.sb bs=512 seek=4 of=/dev/sdb2
20:15:36kumy;)
20:15:50pamauryI knew I skipped a tricky detail
20:17:09kumyok, dd terminated, I'll unplug USB
20:17:11pamaurywhen done, unplug, it will panic with mount=0; then press any key and it should boot normally this time
20:17:18kumy(and cross my finger)
20:17:56kumydidn't had time to see what's on the white screen...
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20:19:04jlbiasinipamaury: actually I was dreaming: no change
20:19:05kumyit didn't boot, maybe, my battery is completly low... does the firmware in charge of charging the battery ?
20:19:21pamauryah right, plug usb without touching anything
20:19:27kumyI'll plug it to the sector ;)
20:19:40pamauryif the battery is too low it will refuse to boot
20:19:51kumy:):):):)
20:20:05kumyIT'S ALIVE !!!!
20:20:13pamaury:)
20:20:40kumymy wife will be so happy !
20:20:57kumyhum, it reboot after some few time
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20:21:14kumyI'll boot on the OF for charging ...
20:21:17pamaurykumy: try to boot in the OF then
20:21:57pamauryI suggest that you run a fsck after, I don't really know what the OF does when it's updating
20:22:33kumywhy I tried to upgrade the firmware was to get battery charging within RB... Is it implemented ?
20:23:00kumyjust got a message on the OF, "you have successfully update your device" :p
20:23:53pamaurybattery charging is implemented yes but you you upgraded the firmware with the OF right ? Won't it refuse to upgrade if the battery is too low ?
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20:25:01pamauryor by upgrade the firmware you just mean upgrading rockbox ?
20:25:05kumyI've compiled a new bualboot bootloader yesterday..
20:25:17CIA-10Commit 779c2f3 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: chinachippatcher: allow additional CFLAGS from the command line.
20:25:19kumy... and failed miserably :p
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20:25:52kumyI'll let it charge, then upgrade to the new firmware in a few hours ;)
20:26:09pamauryyou don't need to update the bootloader usually, only the code in .rockbox
20:26:27kumyhooo ! ok !
20:26:35kumyso.. already done
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20:26:57kumypamaury: thanks a lot !! can I make you a donation ?
20:27:09bertrikej0rge, I get that too
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20:27:13pamauryno, that's fine
20:27:24ej0rgebertrik: hm
20:27:27pamauryyou can donate to the project if you want I guess
20:27:39kumyso I'll donate directly to the project
20:27:49kumy(you're faster than me :p)
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20:28:20kumyI have to leave you for now, thanks again !!!
20:28:28jlbiasinipamaury: what is resp0=0x80900
20:29:05pamauryjlbiasini: ERROR :(
20:29:23jlbiasiniand resp0=0x2900
20:30:00pamauryERASE_RESET (An erase sequence was cleared before executing because an out of erase sequence command was received (commands other than CMD35, CMD36, CMD38 or CMD13)
20:30:12bluebrother^huh? Why has the tag the for Rockbox Utility 1.2.11 "rbutil" in it while svn says it's "Rockbox Utility"?
20:30:40pamauryjlbiasini: it means you began an erase sequence and didn't finish it
20:30:56pamaury(like set first and last erase group but don't call erase)
20:31:06jlbiasiniok
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20:32:26sniperownQuestion: What is the best media management program to use with rockbox?
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20:33:42n1ssniperown: cp is awesome
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20:35:18sniperowndo you have a link?
20:35:47pixelmaI believe he means copy-pasting through a file browser
20:36:08bluebrother^time for building binaries!
20:36:36sniperownheh, gotcha
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20:37:08sniperowni'm only curious because i normally use WMP but when i sync with rockbox it adds a new folder in my files and doesnt show up in my track library
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20:39:14jlbiasinipamaury: those address are not big endian, are they?
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20:41:12pixelmasniperown: I guess that's when you use your player in MTP mode (which player ist it, by the way)? Maybe you could use it in some other mode too but I don't know WMP good enough. Other than that, each program should work that can deal with files in a usual mass storage manner and can write m3u(8) playlists, in case you want to use those)
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20:42:18pixelmaI don't use any management software either, only file browser, so can't give more tips
20:42:31bluebrother^isn't that a file management software?
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20:44:53pamauryjlbiasini: no
20:45:46CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
20:45:46*bertrik considers a quick hack to see if we can use RDS to set the clock
20:46:48sniperownthe player i use is the Sansa Fuze
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20:49:00jlbiasinipamaury so I set cmd35 then cmd36 then cmd 38 with 0 as argument and it should delete?
20:49:28jlbiasiniwhat are cmd17 you used?
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20:52:12pamauryread
20:52:39jlbiasinipamaury: if so then it give correct return and simply do nothing (i just erased between 0x008F5AC and 0x1D8F5AC)
20:53:38jlbiasiniwhich is consistent with the fact I never get errors from directory managers but that the compy/deletind simply never occurs
20:54:24jlbiasinido nothing and return success... I have also a few collegue that act the same way... :D
20:55:17ej0rgebertrik: i appear to have gotten my rbclient going again by checking out from git again. I am sure there is a more elegant solution.
20:55:29ej0rge(I mean i deleted and pulled the tree fresh)
20:55:44bertriknot sure if that is actually going to work
20:55:57ej0rge*shrug* it's plugging along building stuff
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20:59:03jlbiasinipamaury: wouldn't be a way to directly erase the partition itself and try to generate a new one?
20:59:19kumypamaury: I've just updated my post to the forum, with the detailled steps ;)
20:59:59pamauryjlbiasini: actually it silently fails because rockbox doesn't check if the write actually suceeds or not ;)
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21:00:19pamauryjlbiasini: you can run erase on the whole partition, you just need to get the right offsets
21:00:22***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:00:39jlbiasinipamaury: actually rb fail on writing, but nautilus don't! :D
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21:12:19Zero_DiamondHey, does anyone know where I can find the drivers for an Archos Jukebox 6000? They don't appear to offer drivers for any of their players on their official site anymore and after upgrading this thing's hard drive and plugging it in, Windows can't find the proper drivers.
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21:15:13bluebrotheriirc there was something about that in the wiki or on the mailing list some time back. Try searching those
21:18:57Zero_DiamondThe only thing I've found on the official site is a mail archive page that just mentions NEEDING the drivers with no link to a place I could get them.
21:19:23Zero_DiamondSearching the wiki for "Drivers" brings up nothing and "Driver" just gives me HardDriveReplacement.
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21:22:11bluebrotherthe wiki says that the bridge chip is an ISD300, so you can try searching for that
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21:23:03gevaertsWasn't it an ISD200 in the AJB?
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21:24:15bluebrotherah, it's the ISD200
21:24:48bluebrotherZero_Diamond: link from that post still works: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2006-09/0081.shtml
21:25:31Zero_DiamondOh, weird
21:25:37Zero_DiamondThat's a different post than I was looking at
21:25:38Zero_DiamondThank you
21:25:49jlbiasinipamaury: well there just no effect on the actual partition whatever I erase
21:26:00jlbiasinimust be a controller problem
21:26:07bluebrotheryou're welcome
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21:26:20bluebrotherI was simply searching and browsing the mailing list archive a bit :)
21:26:34bluebrothera "next / previous in thread" linking in the archives would be nice
21:26:50jlbiasinianyway if you come up with another thing you want to test you're very welcome :D
21:26:50Zero_DiamondHow do you search it, for future reference? I didn't see any way to do so.
21:27:04bluebrotheruse google :)
21:27:11bertrikoh nice, the first channel I try gives correct RDS time, the RDS time message even gives me UTC and timezone separately
21:27:17Zero_DiamondHeh heh, I gotcha.
21:27:21gevaertsZero_Diamond: google has nice features like "site:" and "inurl:" :)
21:27:42Zero_DiamondYeah, I know about those. Just didn't know if there was an on-site way to that I was missing or not.
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21:29:33bluebrotherBagder: can you move the new Rockbox Utility binaries to the download server? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-releases/1.2.12/
21:31:46bluebrotherbertrik: nice :)
21:32:37bertrikit uses some kind of weird date code, modified julian
21:33:41saratogais there anything in rockbox that uses the 88k and 96k sample rates?
21:33:55saratogaa test plugin?
21:42:12Zero_DiamondOkay, can somebody maybe shed some light on this situation for me? I've just installed Rockbox on this Archos 6000, but when I turn it on it just displays "Jukebox 6GB Ver : 4.09" and hangs there.
21:42:38Zero_DiamondI just replaced the hard drive with a 120 gig if that holds any bearing on anything.
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21:50:58gevaertsZero_Diamond: did it work with that disk before you installed rockbox?
21:51:15Zero_DiamondI actually didn't try it
21:51:32Zero_DiamondI was so excited to put Rockbox on it that I didn't try to run it stock first
21:52:07Zero_DiamondAccording to what I've read though, it should be working fine. It's the right side and connection type and 120 gigs is just about the max that the hardware can read without hacky workarounds.
21:52:16Zero_DiamondSize, rather
21:52:32gevaertswell yes, it should work
21:52:46gevaertsBut the partition table or formatting may be wrong for it
21:53:03Zero_DiamondI used Partition Magic to make it a primary FAT32 partition
21:53:28Zero_DiamondAlthough I -did- get a warning when I was doing that saying something about it not being on the 1024 cylinder or something.
21:53:42gevaertsOh, that shouldn't be a problem
21:54:07gevaertsThe 1024 cylinder thing is an old PC BIOS issue, but the archos isn't an old PC :)
21:54:30Zero_DiamondRight
21:55:01Zero_DiamondThe hard drive reads fine in Windows while it's hooked up
21:56:03Zero_DiamondBut it seems it's not even reading the new firmware or something
21:56:09gevaertsWhich rockbox version did you install? 3.10, or the current development build?
21:56:38Zero_Diamond3.10. I used the automatic installer with the latest stable Archos 6000 build.
21:57:11gevaertsOk. I'm not aware of any reports of 3.10 being broken on the AJB
21:57:43Torneare we aware of any reports of it working?
21:57:52gevaertsWell, that's the big question :)
21:57:53Zero_DiamondWell, this doesn't bode well then I'd imagine
21:58:45Zero_DiamondI really hope I can get this figured out because I've been excitedly waiting for my new hard drive to arrive for this thing just so I could put Rockbox on it
21:58:50Zero_DiamondEven took the day off of work today!
21:58:52gevaertsThe AJB is getting reasonably rare and most people running it stay with old releases, so I wouldn't consider it entirely impossible if nobody actually tried it
21:59:42Zero_DiamondWhat's the most recent known-to-work build for the AJB? I can always try that and see if that sorts things out
21:59:53Zero_DiamondOr is that even really known?
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22:00:11bertrikdo we have a function in rockbox to convert from unix seconds to a date/time in separate components (year,month, day, hours, secs etc)?
22:00:42TorneZero_Diamond: most people seem to use 2.x on the archoses
22:00:49gevaertsZero_Diamond: 3.0.1 definitely should work. Probably also some of the newer ones
22:01:22*gevaerts wishes he hadn't blown up the charging circuit on his AJB. Trying things on it is a pain now
22:01:24Zero_DiamondHow much feature loss am I going to get going back to 3.0.1? Any filetypes I won't be able to play?
22:02:02Zero_DiamondNot that it matters if it won't work anyways, but it's always nice to know
22:02:14gevaertsNo. On the Archoses you can play what the hardware supports, and that won't change
22:02:33Zero_DiamondOh wait, really?
22:02:45Zero_DiamondSo all the extra formats won't even work on here, just MP3?
22:03:13Torneyeah. the archos is too slow to run software decoders
22:03:17Tornethe hardware only supports mp3
22:03:23Zero_Diamonduggggggh
22:03:34gevaertsWell, also mp2...
22:03:51Zero_DiamondI wish I'd have known that
22:04:55Zero_DiamondI've really set myself up for disappointment
22:05:05bertrikmeh, another fm channel sends time over RDS as local time instead of UTC (but also sets the UTC offset to 0)
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22:06:22bertrikand also seems 3 days off w.r.t. date
22:06:38gevaertsbertrik: call them and complain!
22:07:36Zero_DiamondWhere do I find 3.0.1? Old releases appears to only go up to 2.5
22:07:53gevaertshttp://download.rockbox.org/release/
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22:09:07wodzkugel: addresses printed by backtrace() look reasonable
22:09:30megal0maniac@pamaury Hey. Could you please fill me in?
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22:15:17bertrikgevaerts, hm, actually wikipedia seems to be wrong
22:15:26gevaertsbertrik: call them and complain! ;)
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22:16:07bertrikI skipped the calling part and do the complaining here :)
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22:20:47Zero_DiamondUnzipped 3.0.1 and the same thing is still happening
22:23:13funmanisn't the best AJB release 2.5 ?
22:23:37Zero_Diamond2.5 is doing the same thing now
22:24:23gevaertsI'd suspect there's something with the disk formatting that it doesn't like, but I really have no idea
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22:26:35bluebrotherwasn't there a way to flash Rockbox on that players? Maybe that's an issue?
22:26:59Zero_DiamondFor some reason Windows won't give me the option to format it as anything but NTFS so I'm gonna have to try reformatting with PM again
22:27:26gevaertsTry a thing called swissknife (IIRC)
22:27:53bluebrotheryes, swissknife
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22:28:36bluebrotherand Windows refuses to format partitions larger than 32GB (?) as FAT. At least XP does, I think w2k too.
22:28:56megal0maniacI've had issues with a player before because it didn't like FAT32. Try Easus. It's free
22:29:20megal0maniacMuch like swissknife :)
22:29:36bluebrotheranother possibility, does the disk have a partition table? No idea if the Archos devices require one
22:29:40AlexPor fat32format
22:29:49bluebrotheror mkfs.vfat :P
22:30:14megal0maniacfdisk :)
22:30:34bluebrotherthat doesn't format, only partition
22:31:05megal0maniacEh. Wasn't serious anyway :)
22:32:13megal0maniacAnyone care to help me unravel the mystery of the Fuze+?
22:32:46megal0maniachttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26284.msg191263.html#msg191263
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22:33:39megal0maniacHave a listen. Let me know if you have any ideas, or advice on debugging when this happens. It's faithfully reproducable, but what am I looking for?
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22:34:52KrizHey guys, question regarding a Clip V2 that was bricked during an upgrade. Followed the Unbricking V2 guide, had a successful file copy, and still have a dead player. Any suggestions?
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22:37:13CIA-10Commit f1eedb8 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Don't try to save settings if none available.
22:37:27bluebrotherfirst bug in 1.2.12 fixed :D
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22:38:34Zero_DiamondOkay, what the hell? Formatted it with Swissknife, opened the drive, and Rockbox was still installed.
22:38:49bertrikKriz, can you still unbrick it again?
22:38:51Zero_DiamondThen of course I turned it on and the same stupid problem remains
22:39:47Krizbertrik - still mounts and shows an invaild partition table
22:39:57Zero_DiamondOh wait, what the hell? I plugged it back in and it's blank now.
22:40:29bluebrotherjust wanted to ask if you by chance formatted the wrong drive ...
22:40:40bluebrotheryou did a safe remove before unplugging?
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22:41:05Zero_DiamondYes, I did
22:41:06bertrikKriz, what size partition does it show?
22:41:16KrizDisk /dev/sdc: 3965 MB, 3965190144 bytes
22:41:16Kriz122 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders, total 7744512 sectors
22:41:16KrizUnits = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
22:41:16DBUGEnqueued KICK Kriz
22:41:16KrizSector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
22:41:16KrizI/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
22:41:17***Alert Mode level 1
22:41:17KrizDisk identifier: 0x997dac55
22:41:22Zero_DiamondAnd now that it's blank and I reinstalled it is still hanging with "Jukebox 6GB Ver : 4.09"
22:41:29KrizClip V2 4GB
22:41:42Zero_DiamondThis is so ridiculous
22:42:53bertrikfunman, any idea about Kriz player?
22:43:14KrizLast line of the fdisk: Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table
22:43:52funmanKriz: shut it down and restart
22:43:56bertrikKriz, we discovered a problem which bricks certain clip v2s, yours could be one of those
22:43:57megal0maniacZero_Diamond: Stupid question, maybe, but have you re-installed the bootloader as well, or just rockbox?
22:44:12gevaertsmegal0maniac: this is an AJB, no separate bootloader
22:44:14funmanbertrik: it is for sure
22:44:33funmanKriz: how did you copy the file, from cygwin? linux?
22:44:33Krizfunman, shut what down and restart
22:44:38funmanthe player
22:44:43funmanyou must turn it off after using dd
22:44:43Zero_DiamondI used the installer for 2.5
22:44:44Krizinstalled ubuntu, did it from the terminal console
22:44:47Zero_DiamondThe .exe
22:44:47megal0maniacThanks for the heads-up. How does it boot, then?
22:44:56Zero_DiamondSo I'd assume that should have put the loader on it
22:45:51funmanKriz: 1/ you must turn it off after using dd and start it again
22:46:03Krizthe battery was disconnected prior to starting, is there a different way to turn it off after using the DD command rather than just unplugging
22:46:16funmanKriz: 2/ you must make sure that the 2 pads are not still connected together. I had to scratch the connection with a knife to make sure no solder was between them
22:46:23gevaertsmegal0maniac: the old archoses boot from a file on disk if there is one, or from ROM
22:46:30gevaertsThis is the way they update the OF
22:46:31funmanKriz: disconnecting the battery after unplugging will do
22:46:56Krizit was disconnected prior... do the leads need to remain shorted during the update process?
22:47:01funmanno
22:47:05Kriz*it meaning battery
22:47:09funmanyou must disconnect the battery AFTER as well
22:47:15funmanprior AND after
22:47:51funmanit doesn't reboot by itself, so it stays in recovery mode after unplug
22:47:56KrizI disconnected battery. shorted the leads. mounted and checked the device with the results above. copied the file. disconnected the usb. and reattached the battery
22:48:06funmanah ok, that works
22:48:16Krizresult - nothing
22:48:19funmannow make sure the connection between the leads is removed
22:48:32Krizi used a terminal screwdriver to bridge... no solder
22:48:47funmanscratch a bit between them using your screwdriver to make sure
22:48:57funmanhm also did you use the same OF version that you had previously on it ?
22:49:14funmanand was it an unmodified OF ?
22:49:16Krizi used the .bin you sent to me
22:49:30Kriz" funmanwhen it's running again try to put funman/m30pa.bin">funman/m30pa.bin">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/m30pa.bin on your player instead of using rockbox utility"
22:49:35funmanok you should use the unmodified OF
22:49:48funmanonce the OF works, put my file on the player to upgrade it
22:50:14Krizthe unmodified is hte sandisk one, correct?
22:50:22Kriz(sorry for still being wet behind the ears on this)
22:51:18***Alert Mode OFF
22:51:24megal0maniacThat's the one :)
22:51:36Krizthanks mega...
22:51:37funmanKriz: no problem. rather be extra sure when dealing with this
22:51:44Krizback in a few with the results
22:52:37megal0maniachttp://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clip/clip02.01.35.zip if you don't already have it
22:53:25megal0maniacCan anyone perhaps help me with my Fuze+?
22:53:50Zero_DiamondNothing I do seems to make a difference
22:54:26Zero_DiamondUpgrading this was a $100 waste of time
22:55:33Krizguys, one last dumb question... should sudo fdisk find the device regardless of connecting the device to usb with or without the pins bridged?
22:57:18megal0maniacZero_Diamond: Are you sure that 120gb isn't too big for a player which originally came out with something 20x smaller?
22:57:40gevaertsmegal0maniac: it's not
22:57:55megal0maniacThat's pretty impressive
22:57:55gevaertsPeople have used such drives before
22:57:59Zero_DiamondYeah, I did the research
22:58:19Zero_DiamondAlso I tried formatting it down to 6 gigs like it originally had and that also resulted in the same hang
22:59:04megal0maniacI thought that with older IDE controllers, there was an addressing limit of... Something like 40gb. Older Seagate drives had jumpers to impose a limit.
22:59:51Zero_DiamondBut it seems that regardless, it's not reading the drive right
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23:00:08Zero_DiamondSomebody mentioned that it reads from the disk to load the driver OR from ROM if it's not found
23:00:25Zero_DiamondI just booted it up with nothing at all on the drive and sure enough, it's still showing the same message while hanging
23:00:26***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:00:44Zero_DiamondBut then the question remains: why can it not read the drive? It shows up in Windows just fine
23:01:00gevaertsZero_Diamond: is there a master/slave jumper on the drive?
23:01:19Zero_DiamondI'm not sure what that even is
23:01:29Zero_DiamondI'd have to take it apart again to find out
23:01:43gevaertsRight. Don't do that right away
23:01:56gevaertsI think it's unlikely to be the problem anyway, but you never know
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23:03:01gevaertsI'd say you should post on the forums about this. I suspect you're more likely to find people there who actively use an AJB
23:04:47Krizfunman / mega / bertrik / saratoga....
23:04:55Krizthank you! back up and running
23:05:09megal0maniacGood stuff!
23:05:32megal0maniacRockbox as well or just OF?
23:05:36KrizOF
23:05:40funmanKriz: awesome! does my file work?
23:05:46funmani can test it again on mine before you do
23:06:05Krizi can try... want to find out/
23:06:06Kriz?
23:06:24funmansecond, let me confirm again that it works for me
23:07:01funmanmd5sun = b3179231548a4d7d58ad2d2fef8e7c65 when bunzipped
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23:07:06megal0maniacWhat's the difference between your file and the one that Rockbox Utility makes?
23:07:18megal0maniacwith mkamsboot
23:07:22megal0maniacI think
23:07:33funmanrockbox utility current release doesn't have my fix
23:07:53funmanKriz: yup, works for me
23:07:59Zero_DiamondWhich forum should I post in?
23:08:04Krizand that was file in the directory, correct?
23:08:24megal0maniachttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/board,28.0.html
23:08:39funmanKriz: yes, did you bunzip it ?
23:09:02Krizum.... que?
23:09:15Krizim going to guess no...
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23:09:45kugelpwodz: nice
23:10:05Krizhow would i do that funman
23:12:16funman7zip or winrar
23:12:33funmanKriz: download it again i unzipped it
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23:12:43funmanfunman/m30pa.bin">http://people.videolan.org/~funman/m30pa.bin
23:15:13Krizmatches...
23:15:25Kriztrying to teach myself ubuntu in the process
23:15:26Krizoff to update
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23:17:27megal0maniacfunman, or another dev, could you please have a listen to the issue I'm having and share collective genius?
23:18:08megal0maniachttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26284.msg191263.html#msg191263
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23:18:58megal0maniacOriginal file is here: http://atinyhedgehog.za.net/03-the_joy_formidable-austere.mp3
23:20:15megal0maniacEven without a Fuze+, perhaps someone could see if there's something wrong with the file. It plays fine everywhere except for on my Fuze+
23:20:48Zero_DiamondOkay, well, thread posted. Thanks for the help you guys offered me.
23:20:59megal0maniacPamaury has confirmed it to be a problem, with the same file.
23:21:12Zero_DiamondHopefully somebody can help me fix this. Otherwise I've got to try and return this hard drive to where I got it from.
23:22:38megal0maniacBest of luck, man. I'm sure it's just a formatting issue
23:22:48KrizFunman... give yourself a pat on the back
23:22:52KrizAll good.
23:23:02funmangreat :)
23:23:16funmanbluebrother: count of clipv2 bricked since fixed now back to zero :))
23:23:28Krizlol
23:23:32Zero_DiamondHere's hoping so, mega
23:23:41funmanmegal0maniac: no fuze+ here
23:24:05Krizi think this warrants a beer
23:24:17bluebrotherfunman: good.
23:24:39megal0maniacBut could you maybe listen to what it's doing, and tell me how to go about getting debug info? Please?
23:24:45bluebrotherbtw, new Rockbox Utility released earlier tonight. I'm waiting for Bagder to push the files to the download server :)
23:24:46gevaertsfunman: *known* bricked :)
23:24:54funman^_^
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23:25:47megal0maniachttp://www.mediafire.com/?z5qwk4oi6bloz7o
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23:26:06Krizanything else useful i can do to help while its apart?
23:26:26megal0maniacThat's what it's doing. And I don't know how to obtain worthwhile debug info
23:27:25funmanKriz: nope, just enjoy rockbox
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23:30:28megal0maniacAnyone?...
23:31:06lebelliumhey guys why when I download the latest build for Clip Zip I get the version fd461d8 which seems to be unknown on the RB website and particularly the commits list?
23:31:33megal0maniacThat's because Rockbox moved from SVN to Git not so long ago
23:31:58megal0maniacThe versioning works differently, and many comments were made when SVN was still in use
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23:32:34lebelliumyes but I download the latest version, not an old one so it should be the same as the 1st on the home page no?
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23:33:38ej0rgemegal0maniac: there's a tool out there called mp3cat that will output only valid mp3 frames
23:33:41n1slebellium: all revs don't show on the frontpage
23:33:55ej0rgemegal0maniac: if you are on a *nix system you can use it to create a version of that mp3 with no tags or metadata, and see if that works
23:33:56megal0maniacDepends on whether it's a daily build or stable build
23:34:07lebelliumnls: thanks, that the magic then , I understand better :)
23:34:23bertrikour build system appears to be borked currently
23:34:47n1sthings that go into the www dir for example do not show up
23:34:48megal0maniacej0rge: Thanks! I'll check it out.
23:34:55gevaertslebellium: that looks weird. I don't see fd461d8 in the log
23:35:30lebelliumgevaerts: I see that on http://build.rockbox.org/ and in the rockbox-info.txt file
23:35:39n1sbertrik: yeah, it seems to have hung
23:36:30gevaertslebellium: *very* weird...
23:38:17n1sgevaerts: i think funman added some tag yesterday, might that be it?
23:38:36n1si have nfi how tags work in git
23:39:04funmann1s: gevaerts: yes that's me
23:39:53funmanhttp://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=fd461d827382b6d8c8acc214292d8b548476e25a the commit is there though
23:40:11funmanit's http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=db3afb03a26868b00011e9aab9733643440bc03a with a different log
23:41:50gevaertsI wonder if this is somehow related to those phantom builds for commits we can't find
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23:44:55funmanwhat are those commits ?
23:45:03funmangit checkout works on this one
23:45:59funmanhm didn't it happen on *any* tag? (correct or not)
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