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#rockbox log for 2012-02-10

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01:07:30JdGordon[Saint]: read the logs from about an hour ago!
01:08:06[Saint]...na!
01:08:08[Saint];)
01:10:12[Saint]Hum...nice.
01:10:42CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:10:42*[Saint] plans to actually get these popups sorted today...
01:11:09JdGordonyeah right!
01:11:10[Saint]Every time I've planned to has fallen through for the past ~3 weeks or so. :-S
01:12:37[Saint]I've *really* got a day off today, though, I think...I haven't been called in yet, so its unlikely to happen. Just dropped the gf at work, so I've got ~10 hours of coffee and code :)
01:16:40[Saint]JdGordon: wrt boot menu - how easy/hard is it to enforce "immovable" items, and to add a "Reset to default" option (which can't be moved, for obvious reasons).
01:16:52[Saint]+?
01:17:13JdGordonI've done it so it will automatically add the "settings" item back in if the user didnt add it
01:17:22JdGordonthats the only really required one
01:18:17[Saint]IMO, were it to be "commitable" it needs to be able to be reset from an immovable item in the menu structure somewhere.
01:18:41[Saint]So you don't have to have a PC to piss around with a text file if you screw it up and lose something.
01:19:54[Saint]That's the only real requirement restructurable menus need IMO. Just the ability to go "whoops" from a menu item you cant possible move/lose.
01:23:40JdGordonthe inital version doesnt have any way to configure it outside of the config.cfg so it wont be possibly to accidentally break it from the dap
01:35:39[Saint]Hmmmmm....
01:36:04[Saint]I've just been playing around, and, RaaA really does seem to have taken a dive in SQ somehow.
01:36:20[Saint]Its really heavily distorted, even at low volumes.
01:36:37[Saint]VLC sounds fine...Hmmm.
01:40:01funman[Saint]: which file are you playing?
01:40:14funmanah is it VLC on android
01:43:47funman[Saint]: plug it on your microphone jack and use http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml to compare the two?
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02:25:22skeebitt22hello all
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02:56:57JdGordon[Saint]: soo... hows cabbie going?
02:58:02[Saint]I'm just getting prepared to try hammer out the popup shennanigans now.
02:59:20[Saint]Right after I finish renaming all the indentifiers (going from single digit IDs to descriptive words instead, for the sake of ease of reading code/conditional blocks).
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03:07:04[Saint]JdGordon: I suppose you'll be wanting an <Samsung_Galaxy_Nexus'_screen_resolution> Cabbiev2-fulltouch then? ;)
03:08:05JdGordonyar :)
03:09:45[Saint]What is the resolution again?
03:10:58JdGordon720*1280 apparently
03:12:21[Saint]What I *really* need...is to enlist the help of the public via the forums (and/or anyone in here that's sufficiently skilled) to find someone that's good with InkScape of <editor_of_choice> to make me/us a set of high resolution scalable SVGs of all the CabbieV2 art.
03:13:07[Saint]Then new ports would be piss-easy.
03:18:54funmanhigh resolution scalable SVG?
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03:23:08saratogaforums seem good, although the recent posts list is a bit off
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06:24:09pixelma[Saint]: speaking of cabbiv2... did you see the problem with the problem of the non-touch screen 240x320 port with the shuffle icon? Someone posted a link to an anythingbutipod thread (with solution) a few days ago, looked like one of the image coordinates was outside the viewport boundaries, maybe left over from before viewports
06:24:28pixelmawith the shuffle icon, I meant to say
06:27:24[Saint]pixelma: No, I wasn't aware of this.
06:27:42[Saint]I'll have a look later on, and post a patch. Thanks for letting me know.
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06:28:05pixelmahe posted the solution, just not as a patch
06:30:30pixelma[Saint]: "[00:17:26] <lebellium> http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=597879&postcount=619 > I confirm this bug. That's funny nobody noticed it before^^"
06:31:11[Saint]Ah...ok, cool.
06:31:31[Saint]And his words are quite correct...it is odd it wasn't noticed before.
06:32:03[Saint]IIRC, I didn't get around to finishing the 240x320 port, and someone did it for me...must've missed it.
06:32:22[Saint]It will have been this way for approximately 18 months, though :-S
06:33:13pixelmaI for one never use the set shuffle mode outside testing, "Insert shuffled" is enough (and I also don't use cabbiev2 but that's another problem) ;)
06:34:07[Saint]heh.
06:34:19[Saint]thanks for letting me know anyway.
06:34:24[Saint]I appreciate it.
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10:53:58mcgrofI just bought a Clip Zip form Best Buy, got to a place with internet access and immediately just installed rockbox on to it
10:54:26mcgrofI had never ever tried installing rockbox, or any other music software alternative to any device before, it worked pretty well
10:54:31mcgrofgood job guys
10:55:53Zagormcgrof: thanks. have fun!
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11:05:28[Saint]Welsome, mcgrof.
11:05:37[Saint]*Welcome, too :)
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11:19:46mcgrofthanks :D
11:21:22funman[Saint]: i hope to receive the nano2g today
11:23:47[Saint]funman: Have you not already?
11:23:56[Saint]derp...obviously! :P
11:24:13[Saint]Hmmmmm...I thought it would've got to you by now.
11:25:49funmani've even checked under the carpets!
11:26:06funmani have good feelings for today
11:26:47[Saint]funman: Well...if you don't recieve it today or tomorrow...I can send another.
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11:29:01[Saint]I had forgotten to ask you if you had recieved it, thanks for reminding me. I felt sure it would've got to you by now...but, yeah, if you don't get it in the next 1~3 days I'll send another one.
11:29:49pamauryfunman: you went to the apple side ? ;)
11:30:24funmanpamaury: not really (sent from my macbook)
11:30:33funmanpamaury: the nano2g has the same usb controller than the amsv2
11:31:08pamaurybasically yes, but will it help ?
11:31:21funmansure
11:31:41funmani'll be able to finally merge the code for both targets
11:31:51funmanand study differences
11:32:04funmanfor example my clipv2 only connects to full speed, not high speed
11:32:25funmanall my clips actually i think. i didn't look at the details since i wait for the nano2g first
11:32:45pamaurygood luck
11:32:50funmanthere's also a panic on unplug, more frequent in the bootloader
11:33:06funmanand i must tell trying TheSeven's bootloader would be nice
11:33:28funmanwe only have GDB support for the archos and the ifp i think, remote gdb over serial usb would be great to have
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14:09:23pamauryfunman: did you saw the discussion about having a plugin to dump/browse the registers on the devices ?
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14:14:59funmanyes
14:15:28funmanbasically you would just need a { void *start; size_t size}[] map?
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14:22:43pamaurynot really, the plan is to have for each target (with maintainers that want to do it) a map of all the registers, organized in a tree fashion. And to write a plugin that read the maps and allow to do stuff
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14:23:14funmana tree fashion?
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14:23:29pamauryfor example, here is the map I produced for the imx233: http://amaury.pouly.free.fr/Images/regs-stmp3780.xml
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14:23:46pamauryyou want to be able to browse it, is has to be a little bit organized
14:23:58funmansorry i remember a quote.. "if you think xml is the answer, you probably misunderstood the question"
14:24:08pamauryat least regroup registers in groups, each group dealing with a specified function
14:24:25pamauryxml is not the answer
14:24:38funmanwhy do you need groups?
14:24:39pamauryit just a way to represent it before we define the final format
14:25:11pamauryimagine you have your device in your hand and you want to see the content of a register and there are hundreds of them
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14:25:16funmanis there more than 3 levels?
14:25:27pamaurypossibly
14:25:27funmani know them by heart as you should too =)
14:25:47pamaurythat's not the point :) you don't want a list with hundreds of items do you ?
14:25:54funmanif it's for debugging yes
14:26:05Torneit's not solely for debugging
14:26:07funmani thought the point was dumping then copy to the PC
14:26:19pamaurythat's one possible use
14:26:20Torneno, also to support viewing and poking
14:26:26pamauryexactly
14:26:30funmanhmm
14:26:33Tornee.g. user has some dock or something
14:26:39Torneso we can direct them to go look at the gpio status
14:26:43Tornewhen they plug it in
14:26:43funmanlike a menu with set/clear bit X ?
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14:26:59pamauryfor example yes
14:27:00Torneand maybe tell them "try poking gpiol bit 8, see if sound comes out"
14:27:07Torneor whatever.
14:27:09funmanyeah sounds useful
14:27:24gevaertsWe'll build human device drivers :)
14:27:26pamauryAnyway, the question: are you willing to produce such a register map for the as3525 ? :)
14:27:29funmanbut i think browsing a hundred entries is good enough
14:27:35funmanif it's needed why not
14:27:39pamaury(beware, there is a trap ;))
14:28:09funmani don't know what's the situation wrt lineout
14:28:22funmanand afaik accessories if they exist at all are not widespread
14:28:23Zagorgerrit upgraded to 2.2.2
14:28:31TorneZagor: thanks. everything working?
14:28:53Zagoras far as I can see
14:28:55funmanso doing the list just for fun doesn't sound exciting
14:29:03pamauryfunman: if you build such a map, describing the individual fields of the registers is not necessary of course
14:29:14funmanperhaps if someone want to work on AMSv1 hungry power consumption
14:29:36funmani have a map in ida already btw
14:29:44pamauryfunman: perhaps you can write a script to get the description our of our headers ?
14:29:51ZagorTorne: it's a bit annoying that it warns about "/home/gerrit not found" even though /etc/default/gerritcodereview file sets GERRIT_SITE
14:29:55funmanor directly from the pdf!
14:30:02TorneZagor: report a bug :)
14:30:24pamauryfunman: I want the script if you manage to do that ! :)
14:30:28Zagornooo, whining is more fun!
14:30:37funmanZagor: could you upload binaries on download.rockbox.org ? i sent them to your brother but he seems quite busy
14:30:44Zagorfunman: sure
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14:32:45funmanZagor: sent
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14:55:33Zagorfunman: done
14:56:00funmanZagor: great, thanks!
14:57:17funmanok, now i can claim again that it's impossible to brick a sansa AMS =)
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15:01:16Zagorhaha
15:01:29gevaertsThere must be a way!
15:02:49kugelZagor: can we have the Github mirror automatically updated?
15:03:13Zagori guess so. how do I push to it?
15:04:29kugelI added you as an owner, so adding the push machine's public ash key to your Githubaccount should be sufficient
15:06:50kugelthen push to the push url given on the Github Depp page
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15:09:01GodEater_gevaerts: I'm pretty sure soaking it in water will brick it. Can you test and confirm?
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15:10:21kugelps/ash/ssh/ btw
15:10:52TorneZagor: gerrit replication is fairly easy to set up, it looks like
15:11:54Tornethe only nontrivial part is that it will need to authenticate using a passwordless key
15:12:26Tornei don't think its internal ssh implementation knows how to talk to ssh-agent
15:12:48pamauryfunman: why can you claim so ?
15:13:07ZagorTorne: can't we just git-push it in ref-updated?
15:14:14funmanpamaury: because mkamsboot is should be brick proof, even if you use random data as the bootloader file, and OF files are whitelisted
15:14:28TorneZagor: gerrit's replication will almost certainly be more efficient
15:14:34Tornesince it doesn't require it to fork
15:14:52Tornedoes github support bot accounts?
15:15:21ZagorI know practically nothing about github...
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15:15:30Tornei mean i guess it does in the sense that you can just make an account and give it a key that belongs to a bot
15:15:33Torne:)
15:16:29kugelpfork in what way?
15:16:36Tornekugelp: fork()
15:16:44Torneiu mean, it doesn't have to execute a child process
15:16:54Tornegerrit already has an entire ssh and git implementation loaded in memory :)
15:17:04Torneand already has large chunks of repository state cached
15:17:05Torneand so on
15:17:28kugelpwe can safely ignore that overhead I think
15:17:52Torneright, but there doesn't appear to be any reason to
15:17:56kugelpits network bound anyway
15:18:01Tornehaha
15:18:08Torneclearly you haven't seen the scope of what git handles ;)
15:18:16TorneIt's not at all difficult to get it to be compute/IO bound
15:18:23Torneprobably not on our repository, but hey
15:19:16funmanby the way we don't know if/how to enter recovery mode on clip zip
15:19:29Torneanyway. unless storing a passwordless key is an absolute no-no, setting up gerrit to do it should be *easier* than doing it yourself
15:21:43kugelpI don't care how its done :p
15:22:01gevaertskugelp: you're not a server admin :)
15:22:06Tornethen don't argue against how i'm suggesting it being done? :)
15:22:21Tornezagor is welcome to as it's his box, and he'll be the one doing it :p
15:22:29kugelpI didn't do that
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16:17:01u42pdear person who makes the RockboxUtility tarballs, please keep using the same directory names. RockboxUtility-v1.2.10-64bit/ then the 64bit suffix was dropped to RockboxUtility-v1.2.11-1/ but now it is back in RockboxUtility-v1.2.12-64bit/
16:17:30Torneu42p: feel free to provide a script to build rockbox utility in a consistent fashion
16:17:40Torneotherwise, this is unlikely to change, as it's not always built by the same person
16:17:52Torneand it's built infrequently enough that remembering is tricky :)
16:17:56u42p:\
16:18:05u42pi would just introduce errors
16:18:11funmanTorne: i think rockbox utility is always built by its main author (bluebrother)
16:19:44funmanu42p: so just send your remarks to bluebrother^
16:23:13u42phttps://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=26864 should hopefully work on 64 bit now
16:23:25u42pshould i mail him or will he see the highlight and scroll up?
16:24:54Tornefunman: i remember doing it before :)
16:24:58Tornei dunno.
16:25:11Torneanyway, yeah. i think if we care abut it being consistent the only way that's gonna happen is if it get scripted
16:26:44Tornewhether it's always bluebrother doing it or not :)
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16:47:09pamaurywho knows the ipod remote radio code ? Appart from bertrik ?
16:50:30pamauryand who actually has an ipod and a remote with radio ?
16:50:55pamaury(I guess remote radio is for docks since it uses iap)
16:51:32Tornethe ipod remote radio is literlaly that; a remote with a radio built in
16:51:47Torneit's not a dock, but the remote does attach to the dock connector instead of the headphone jack
16:53:05pamauryok
16:53:14Tornei don't know about the code, though; i've seen them but don't have one
16:53:20pamauryand who has such a thing ? :)
16:53:35pamaurya tester would be sufficient actually
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17:39:14bluebrother^u42p: why don't you build Rockbox Utility from sources when creating a package?
17:40:00u42pbluebrother^: there is a AUR package for svn too but getting the binaries is quicker and easy
17:40:12bluebrother^also, yes, there are some inconsistencies right now. That's due to the change to git, which broke my release scripts and caused some problems.
17:40:49bluebrother^well, if you build from source you don't need to statically link. Which means the package gets smaller, and Qt will also pick up styles that aren't linked into it.
17:40:59bluebrother^so for creating a package I'd _always_ use the sources.
17:41:26u42pi am totally clueless, just took over maintaining that package a while ago
17:42:18bluebrother^Torne: building Rockbox Utility is pretty much completely scripted :)
17:42:39bluebrother^the main problem is that when updating the scripts for git some changes got kinda lost.
17:42:57bluebrother^though I'm planning to make the scripts more modular to avoid such problems in the future.
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18:10:08Tornebluebrother^: ah, ok :)
18:10:19Tornebluebrother^: are those scripts actually in the repo?
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18:26:26kugelpTorne: yes
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19:00:31jlbiasinikugelp: I've updated my stats PLA patch and send a new one for rockblox1d (http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/90/ and http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/105/) however I have a question regarding retrieving button status through PLA:
19:02:42jlbiasini I used to use this command: "button = pluginlib_getaction(HZ*30, plugin_context, ARRAYLEN(plugin_contexts));"
19:06:55kugelpjlbiasini: what's your question?
19:07:17jlbiasinifor what I get HZ*30 is the frequenzy deferential of having button status tested. But with rockblox1d, this command blocks the program's exectution till it take a value - make rockblox1d umplayable (yes this is possible :D )
19:07:19jlbiasini so I change the value from HZ*30 to HZ and everything is fine. But is it safe to do so? Isn't it going to blow the battery or something like that?
19:08:34jlbiasinion rockblox1d I would say who cares whatever! But the case could occurs later on other plugins too...
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19:09:29kugelppluginlib_getaction blocks (i.e. will not return) until either a button is pressed or the timeout expired
19:10:01kugelpif the timeout expored it returns with value of ACTION_NONE
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19:11:26jlbiasiniok then its just the timeout value and it should be safe.
19:11:48gevaertsIt depends
19:11:57bluebrother^Torne: yes. See utils/common
19:12:31jlbiasinikugelp: I should change it also on stats then it could slow the scanning time
19:12:36bluebrother^(since there was also support for the Theme Editor, but that is quite broken right now)
19:12:47gevaertsjlbiasini: have a look at TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK
19:13:27jlbiasinigevaerts: ok thx
19:13:43gevaertsIf you're converting code that uses blocking functions, use the timeout they use (or TIMEOUT_BLOCK if there is no timeout). If the code uses non-blocking functions, use TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK
19:14:52jlbiasinioh right! very usefull indeed!!
19:16:09kugelpyea, button_get(false) => TIMEOUT_NOBLOCK, button_get(true) => TIMEOUT_BLOCK
19:16:39kugelpbutton_get_w_tmo => use same timeout
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19:17:18jlbiasiniok this is very clear now thanks to both of you
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19:32:02bertrikthe sansa clip zip themes disappeared from the themes.rockbox.org site, any idea why?
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19:33:58bertrikwhat does that mean for themes on themes.rockbox.org?
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19:35:37kugelprasher that buildall.sh doesnt work
19:35:55rasherYeah, who broke it
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19:41:49kugelpstrange
19:41:57kugelp$model seems to get empty
19:42:12kugelpthe configure line with $model works, the mv line with $model not anymore
19:44:56kugelpno, model is empty from the start, but how does the configure line work at all then!?
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20:28:43kugelrasher: should work again now
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22:13:43CIA-130Commit 54211a6 in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: (Author: Igor Petelin) FS #12582 - update for ukrainian language
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22:33:10perfectdrughey, who owns a clip zip and can tell me how the buttons are namedß
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22:33:28perfectdrugs/ß/?
22:34:08perfectdrugsvg is ready only the labels are missing
22:34:46kugelperfectdrug: compare with earlier clips. the icons are still the same
22:37:55perfectdrugso the big arrow button is home?
22:38:31kugelat least the code yes
22:39:05perfectdrugand is there a hold button or volume keys?
22:40:04bertrikthere is no physical hold button, but there are two volume keys on the side
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22:40:50perfectdrugok thanks
22:41:17perfectdrugcan I use gerrit to commit to the www branch?
22:41:32kugelyes
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22:42:19perfectdrugdo i have to pull this branch with git then?
22:42:55bertrikgit clone git://git.rockbox.org/www IIRC
22:43:18perfectdrugerr yeah clone:) not pull
22:44:38kugelwww is a separate repository, not a branch
22:50:46perfectdrugso can i upload a change in one go? or do i have to do it seperate for every repository ?
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22:57:12kugelperfectdrug: per repo, unless you manage to create a single commit for multiple repos :)
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23:02:28perfectdrugnot sure how it works exactly with gerrit but wouldn't it be better to upload everything to flyspray at first until discussion took place and we are sure everything looks right and after this commit to gerrit for inclusion?
23:03:57AlexP_mobGerrit is for patches, including disgusting about them
23:04:01AlexP_mobFfs
23:04:07AlexP_mobDiscussion
23:04:37AlexP_mobAlthough the discussion might be disgusting
23:04:43perfectdrug:D
23:07:06perfectdrugI'm just talking about svg image files here not exactly written code
23:08:00AlexP_mobProbably still the same, although mailing list might be relevant
23:11:25perfectdrugshould we do everything if possible with gerrit now or are flyspray patches still legit?
23:13:22AlexP_mobSpeaking personally, if stone titty wants to use flyspray then ok, but I prefer gerrit
23:13:44AlexP_mobStone titty, really?
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