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#rockbox log for 2012-02-13

00:00:01gevaerts[Saint]: the distributed voices aren't made on windows
00:01:07[Saint]Yes, I'm aware of that. I perhaps should've made that more clear.
00:01:13n1si think they're made with festival
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00:03:38gevaertsYes
00:04:37gevaertsUsing the "rab_diphone" voice
00:05:11gevaertsUnless you managed to grab one of my early uploads that used the Italian voice :)
00:05:25Fury4the default english voice mispronounces a bunch of words
00:05:33Fury4new as mew for example
00:06:45gevaertsWe know it's not a very good voice. It's really only there to (a) get people going, and (b) motivate them enough to build their own voice :)
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00:07:27Fury4problem with not having a working LCD is I can't check what some of them are trying to say :P
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00:09:33Fury4and the manual for sansa has template placeholders where the menu overview would be
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00:13:36rasherOkay so minor problem. Checkwps buildall.sh fails for 3.10. Maybe it only affects non-release targets though
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00:14:33gevaertsrasher: does it build from the branch, or from the tag?
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00:14:43rasherThis was from the tag
00:14:59rasherbut it fails on some nokian8xx stuff
00:15:20rasherlots of them managed to build, but knowing which ones takes effort
00:15:47rashercould be all of them minus nokian8xx for all I know
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00:36:51funmanFury4: you can run the simulator on your pc
00:46:47gevaertsJdGordon: why did you recommend filing FS #12586? That's a pure feature request...
00:46:48fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12586 3%ss Substring returns a string and not a value. (bugs, unconfirmed)
00:46:58Fury4ooo, that's a great idea funman
00:47:15JdGordongevaerts: so i dont forget to do it
00:48:13*gevaerts doesn't think flyspray is for developers' todo lists
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00:49:48[Saint]Should %ss even return a value other than a string?
00:49:57[Saint]It seems rather contrary to its naming.
00:50:09gevaertsI'm not sure what the semantics would be
00:50:43gevaertsI mean, if whatever comes out is a number, everything's fine (assuming we assume decimal everywhere)
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00:51:59JdGordontags have two ways of reurning a value
00:52:05gevaertsWell yes
00:52:14gevaertsAnd one of those is well defined for "substring"
00:52:17JdGordonits not that i intend to stop using the string part
00:53:34gevaertsIt's pretty clear what int to return for "3", but what about e.g. " 3", or "3something", or ""?
00:54:01gevaertsOr just atoi and let the user deal with it?
00:54:44gevaerts(in which case, according to the spec, "09" will confuse users to no end)
00:55:49gevaertsAnyway, I don't have a problem with doing this sort of thing as such
00:56:13gevaertsif it's well defined what it does in edge cases, anyway
00:56:14[Saint]because you won't use it? ;0
00:56:30[Saint]-;0 +;)
00:56:48gevaertsactually...
00:59:43gevaertshm, no, it doesn't seem easily possible to detect if the tag specific code has set a number, so auto-converting strings if you need a number doesn't seem trivial
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01:31:14saratogaban germawagree for spam
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02:00:49Fury4How challenging would it be to remove some of the more advanced/extra menu options?
02:02:03Fury4I ran across brief mentions of editing the source, I'm just wondering if it's worth the effort figuring it out
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02:19:14alienkid10my database keeps becoming "not ready" after using it a bit then hitting back
02:20:46alienkid10update is bg is OFF
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02:35:01*[Saint] bangs his head against RaaA cabbie popups.
02:35:08[Saint]FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
02:36:52[Saint]I _think_ I officially have no. frickin'. idea. how to do the "correct" non-blocking checks for managing the delicate dance of 6 viewports.
02:46:02[Saint]Argh! this is doing my head in. the condition depends on AA presence, volume changing, and two different states of "touch area pressed".
02:46:33[Saint]the "non-blocking" part makes it a mess.
02:54:14[Saint]maybe if I start making random strings from all possible tags I'll eventually get the right one...
02:54:50*[Saint] shakes a fist at JdGordon
02:55:01[Saint]Why did you give me so many toys to play with! :D
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04:32:15JdGordon[Saint]: ?
04:32:39[Saint]These popups are just driving me mental.
04:32:46[Saint]Nothing new ;)
04:33:11[Saint]I blame you for giving me all these toys to play with and make things excedingly complicated for myself.
04:33:23[Saint](sarcasm intended)
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04:34:32JdGordonok cool
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05:00:09likemindeadCan I have a quick refresher on what I need to do to update my Gigabeat S60 to the latest version of Rockbox?
05:00:25likemindeadI've used Rockbox for a couple years now. So good.
05:00:37likemindeadI'll be doing it from a Linux laptop too.
05:03:30likemindeadI know I can skip several steps at http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-gigabeats/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002
05:03:41likemindeadJust can't remember where to start.
05:11:47[Saint]Step 1: "Use Rockbox Utility"
05:11:54[Saint]Step 2: <end>
05:12:29[Saint]likemindead: ^
05:13:11likemindeadIt runs in Linux?
05:13:26[Saint]Sure does.
05:13:41likemindeadSweet. Thanks.
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05:17:18likemindeadThe Utility doesn't like the /media/TFAT path; no player recognized?
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05:21:05likemindeadAh. Ran as root. Working now.
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05:50:58likemindeadMany thanks to all who help to make Rockbox. Brilliant. Salutations.
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08:49:29MP26hi anybody interested in developing rockbox meizu port?
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08:51:45MP26anybody at all
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09:56:16JdGordonhows the popup going [Saint] ? :D
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10:03:59[Saint]Haw haw...hee hee...oh what it is to laugh :-S
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11:56:24TorneHm. My ipodvideo doesn't mount on linux any more with teh latest rockbox
11:56:38Tornethe device node comes up but there's no partitions found and i can't open the device even to run fdisk
11:56:42Torneno errors in dmesg at all
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12:18:26gevaertsTorne: sounds like it doesn't actually get to exclusive_storage_access
12:18:32Tornehm
12:18:40Torneactually, now that i think about it, it can't be "on linux"
12:18:47Tornebecause i used a linux machine to put all the music on there in the first place
12:18:58Torne(on the same build)
12:19:02Torneso maybe just "my work pc"?
12:19:11Tornebut it works in emergency disk mode, so the pc is able to mount UMS
12:19:33gevaertsIs HID enabled?
12:19:37Torneyeah.
12:19:43Tornei'll experiment with it more later
12:19:50Torneright now i'm copying all the music off in emergency disk mode
12:19:51gevaertsNot that I see how that can explain this...
12:19:55Tornewhich is gonna take nearly 3 hours
12:20:01Torne(so i can upload it to google music) :)
12:22:09Tornebut yeah, i restored it with itunes the other day, installed a current build with just my local patch to disable dualboot and settings reset on hold, and rsynced all my music to it from a linux box at home (debian testing, 3.1 kernel)
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12:22:28Tornebut it doesn't work here on ubuntu lucid, 2.6.38.8
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18:49:23bertrikfunman, developer interest or user interest?
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18:51:01CIA-44Commit 580303b in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: (Author: Albert Barca) FS #12569 - iPod Classic - battery capacity update
18:53:28CIA-44580303b build result: 8 errors, 2 warnings (Albert Barca committed)
18:55:12CIA-44Commit 2dc891b in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: Add Cástor Muñoz and Albert Barca to CREDITS.
18:56:30funmanbertrik: don't know, someone asked here around 9AM
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19:21:55pamaurybertrik: I have a question regarding the tuner patch which is on gerrit and that no one cares about. We need to renable the mute function for the ipod remote driver but apparently you #ifdef it out and I have no way to test it
19:22:58bertrikI probably #ifdef 0'd it because it wasn't used anywhere
19:23:19bertrikI can't test that myself
19:24:06pamaurybut who has this damn thing ?
19:24:25pamauryif noone is willing to test it, I'll just commit it and someone will cry because it's broken
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19:29:55funmanbertrik: do you have a patch for time sync over RDS ? i could see if time info is correct here
19:30:36bertrikyes, but it's very crude, and not implemented yet as suggested in the ml post
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19:31:05funmanno problem it's just for checking what local radios send
19:32:29bertrikhttp://pastebin.com/P2Sww3n2
19:33:18bertrikit works as follows: tune the radio to a station with RDS, then exit the radio screen and go to the FM radio debug screen, a time should appear on the bottom line within one minute
19:34:23bertrikyou'll get a compile warning about snprintf, that's "normal"
19:41:13funmantime is broadcast every one minute ?
19:42:28funmani see an extra line but i believe it is extra info
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19:44:15bertrikfunman, yes, time is broadcast once a minute on the minute boundary for the stations I checked
19:44:58bertrikthe three lines below the register dump are 1) station name (PS) 2) radio text (RT) and 3) local time in format 2012-02-13 19:44
19:44:59funmanok perhaps im too much impatient. i'll put a 60 seconds timer before checking
19:45:32bertrikthe bottom row of register dump data should be changing all the time (that's incoming RDS data)
19:46:04funmanyeah i see only the start (because of zip screen) but it keeps changing
19:46:14funmanno time line though
19:46:54bertrikperhaps that station is now transmitting time then
19:47:32funmanhm i might have mispatched
19:47:48funmanwhere is time_data defined ?
19:48:00funmanin get_ct()
19:50:03bertrikoh, that's a bug, but didn't trigger for me because of an #ifdef
19:50:17funmannot sure why it built Oo
19:50:22funmani replaced it with ct_data
19:50:48funmanah, should i define RDS_ISR_PROCESSING ?
19:50:53bertrikno
19:51:06bertrikit should work for sansa clip zip
19:53:02funmani don't see any update. i'll make more tests later; perhaps time update is less frequent
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21:15:38funmanbertrik: perhaps a reception problem? I usually don't receive RDS at all with headphones unplugged
21:16:13bertrikfunman, the headphones need to be plugged, the wire acts as FM antenna
21:16:46funmanyeah, i hoped the USB cable would too but it does not
21:17:13bertrikthe FM signal also needs to be fairly strong, >25 dBuV usually gives me reliable RDS
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21:17:38funmani don't know the power, it's out of the screen :)
21:18:09funmani notice RDS corruption though (incorrect station name: NRJ 94.5 => NRJ 94?6)
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21:26:01fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12585 3Bar tags no longer work (bugs, unconfirmed)
21:26:27saratogareportedly it caused some of the problems with the theme site rejecting various themes
21:26:39saratogai guess because checkwps rejected them
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21:59:00dfktsaratoga, i was wondering if this commit had something to do with recent themes breaking - http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=40ecdf6
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22:38:22Fuze_V2_webhostHello :-)
22:40:44Fuze_V2_webhostI'm tring to look at the patched bin file for Sansa Fuze V2 with command: arm-elf-objdump -D −−target binary -marm patched.bin −−start-address=0x600 −−stop-address=0x20000, but apparently I have wrong starting address as I can not see the bootloader at the beginning....has some one an idea? I tried also 0x600 without scucess...already 3 days plaing with it....
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22:45:06n1sFuze_V2_webhost: IIUC -D is not affected by −−start-address, -d is though
22:47:40Fuze_V2_webhosthmmm...with -d I'm not getting any output....
22:49:25n1si dunno then, your best bet is probably asking funman
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22:51:40saratogaFuze_V2_webhost: the fuze binary is compressed, so you can't dump the bootloader with objdump
22:52:58Fuze_V2_webhostsaratoga: bingo...that is perfect making sense...I spend few days on it :-) do you know how to uncompress it?
22:53:17saratogawhy do you want to do this?
22:53:37saratogayou can just compile the bootloader directly and look at it before you compress it
22:56:49Fuze_V2_webhostsaratoga: I would like to see also the original OF in the patched firmware file
22:57:25saratogathe patcher compresses the OF, so if you want to look at it just don't patch it
22:57:46saratogathe thing you get from sandisk is just a raw binary image of the ROM
22:58:15Fuze_V2_webhostis it starting at offset 0?
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23:05:59funman0x400
23:06:43funmanthere's a head at 0, and another one at 0x200 which is mirror of the first except for 1 bit change (and the checksum differs), so OF starts at 0x400
23:07:47Fuze_V2_webhostI'm sorry, I'm quite new to this project...but very excited so far)
23:08:18Fuze_V2_webhostdo you mean in the patched bin or in the original OF?
23:09:29Fuze_V2_webhostwhen I use it in OF 0x400 than I get some nonsense...hmmm
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23:14:33saratogaFuze_V2_webhost: what are you trying to do?
23:16:05funmanFuze_V2_webhost: read mkamsboot source it's detailed there (and the boot process as well)
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23:17:35Fuze_V2_webhostfunman: that is what I did...spend quite a time with it...but I still do not understand this "compression"...
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23:18:53saratogawhy?
23:19:59Fuze_V2_webhostsaratoga: I would like to see how to turn off this player correctly as it is freezing for me during shut down most of the times...and also because I'm couirios
23:20:30saratogayou probably don't want to look at how we patch the firmware then
23:20:35saratogathats not going to help you
23:21:24saratogayou probably want to use the amsinfo tool to take apart the sandisk firmware file and look for its shutdown routine
23:21:34saratogathen compare it to the one in rockbox
23:21:44Fuze_V2_webhostno I need to see the OF...that is true...just wanted to go thrugh the patched as at least if I would see there the bootloader instructons, I would know that I do the right thing
23:22:14saratogaalthough i would try trouble shooting the problem in rockbox first
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23:22:16funmanyeah amsinfo is the perfect tool (had forgotten about it)
23:22:24saratogahave you figured out where it crashes in rockbox during shutdown?
23:25:08 Quit kimgo (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
23:25:10Fuze_V2_webhostit looks like it end up with the wile 1 where it should not even get if I'm right
23:25:31Fuze_V2_webhostwile 1 imeant while 1
23:26:30saratogabased on LOGF?
23:26:31funmanin power_off() ?
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23:29:11Fuze_V2_webhostyes in power_off
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23:29:31Fuze_V2_webhostIf I understand it right it should never get there, or?
23:31:37saratogawell the line immediately before that cuts power to the CPU, so :)
23:32:16saratogai don't think you could even use logf at that point, how did you determine this?
23:32:19saratogablinking the LEDs?
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23:37:06funmani don't know if that line before effectively cuts power immediately
23:37:43Fuze_V2_webhostI know that the problem is much more frquent of you are using the alarm...so somehow it is connected
23:38:25saratogaFuze_V2_webhost: stupid question, but have you actually figured out where it freezes or are you just guessing?
23:42:21Fuze_V2_webhostaratoga: no I do not know how to control the LED...but I turned off the backlight...which during the freeze sataies on
23:43:19saratogaah ok, so if you turn off the light right before the while loop it works?
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23:43:50saratogaand otherwise crashes with it on
23:44:03Fuze_V2_webhostyep
23:45:04saratogastrange, i thought with the alarm on it wouldn't even get to that loop
23:45:30bertrikwe've seen problems with power down with an alarm set before
23:45:58Fuze_V2_webhostwhich is trange I know...but I believe that in case of ev = SHUTDOWN it turnes off the timer for the furning off the backlight...so if it went off than I assume I was just one line before the while
23:46:39saratogawell if don't put that line there, does it stay on?
23:46:48saratogaif so, then it can't be the timer
23:46:52Fuze_V2_webhostby the way where can I find anything about the amsinfo tool? i searchd ubuntu repo and net and did not find it
23:47:02bertrikthe issue was that one of the possible wake-up sources was already triggered before the shut-down, so it never actually went to sleep
23:47:08bertrikI though we tackled them all
23:47:33saratogabertrik: well if its hanging outside of rtc_alarm_poweroff, its probably not even setting up the alarm
23:48:09saratogaFuze_V2_webhost: its in utils\AMS\hacking with the rockbox source tree
23:48:12bertrikagreed, must be some other thing if it also happens during normal shutdown
23:48:48funmanbertrik: i just saw there is a workaround for ypr0 in the alarm code
23:50:20bertrikdo you have a link for that?
23:50:47saratogahttp://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=249bba03f1051f4984538f66b9e7d36674c61e5c
23:51:10saratogaalthough the ifndef doesn't change anything for AMS

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