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#rockbox log for 2012-02-22

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00:20:03gevaertsrasher: does checkwps auto-update on the theme site now?
00:20:18rashergevaerts: I think it should
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00:20:54gevaertsI'm asking because checkwps apparently gives errors on yp-r0 on my new theme that it *doesn't* give when I run it locally
00:21:27rashercurious
00:28:38gevaertsrasher: checkwps for yp-r0 gives me errors too up to 9acd70288dfa47cac084b965a046df6f71d4ee26 (14 feb)
00:29:01rasherweird
00:29:04rasherlet me re-run manually
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00:40:05dfkti just built a rockbox apk, and got a warning that the signer certificate has expired. how do i refresh that?
00:40:23JdGordonuninstall it and reinstall it
00:40:36dfktthe whole android sdk/ndk?
00:41:09JdGordonno, the apk from your phone
00:42:03dfktoh, i meant i got the warning in linux, when the build finished and the apk got signed
00:42:50gevaertsrasher: a checkwps build done with buildall.sh also fails :\
00:43:01dfkti will try if it actually installs after uninstalling the older one
00:43:35gevaertsoh
00:43:50rashergevaerts: oh
00:44:00*gevaerts thinks he sees something
00:44:56gevaertsrasher: ypr0 is an app build, which means it believes the −−lcdwidth=100 −−lcdheight=100 buildall.sh gives it...
00:45:06gevaertsAnd most 240x320 themes will break on that
00:45:07rasherOh ah!
00:52:00gevaertsrasher: maybe just force it to 240x320 for now?
00:53:58gevaertsactually...
00:54:22dfktah, that was an easy fix - jsut had to delete the debug.keystore file
00:58:34gevaertsrasher: I think I have a proper fix
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01:04:22rashergevaerts: is it much work to give the right resolutions in buildall.sh?
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01:04:52gevaertsrasher: a bit. there's no reason for the ypr0 to allow overriding the resolution though
01:05:22gevaertsI have that working locally, but I did some things wrong and I'm trying to figure out how to push stuff without messing everything up
01:08:48CIA-44Commit a16b65e in rockbox by 03Frank Gevaerts: Force YPR0 to 240x320
01:08:58gevaertsrasher: that should do it
01:10:19rasherI get some complains about LCD_WIDTH being redefined
01:10:37rashernot the end of the world I assume
01:11:06gevaertshm
01:11:13CIA-44a16b65e build result: All green
01:11:56gevaertsI don't think that can happen if you *don't* set −−lcdwidht/height, so I think it's fine
01:15:43CIA-44Commit 680c6fc in rockbox by 03Frank Gevaerts: Store listitem_viewport_cfg->label as skinoffset instead of raw pointer
01:18:08CIA-44680c6fc build result: All green
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08:36:26CIA-44Commit b4eab59 in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: Arm stack unwinder
08:38:50CIA-44b4eab59 build result: 176 errors, 0 warnings (Marcin Bukat committed)
08:38:56wodzhmm
08:39:31GodEater_that didn't go well then!
08:40:25wodzbootloaders don't compile unwarminder library apparently
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09:00:32wodzHow is arm_support.S not built by bootloader? We use something else there (libgcc)?
09:01:58CIA-44Commit 164cb21 in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: unwarminder: fix bootloader builds
09:02:13*wodz crosses fingers
09:02:38kugelwodz: yes, arm_support.S just replaces some div routines that are otherwise provided by gcc
09:03:04wodzthat explains why I missed bootloader.make
09:03:37wodzI silently assumed it is essential to build arm binary in every mode
09:04:11CIA-44164cb21 build result: All green
09:04:25kugelwodz: the unwinder shouldnt be in the bootloader imo
09:04:40kugelisnt it rather large?
09:05:06wodz5k or so
09:06:03kugelnot worth it for bootloaders if you ask me, and some do need to be as small as possible
09:06:57wodzI am not agains of ifdefing for bootloader but I kindly point out that the patch was looooong on the tracker then on gerrit and noone made such comment
09:07:33kugeleveryone forgot about bootloaders obviously :)
09:09:00wodzAnyway I have no time now to look into, maybe later today but I am terribly lacking free time. or you can ifdef if you prefer
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09:15:51CIA-44Commit d8fd988 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Jean-Louis Biasini) stats's plugin PLA integration (main code + manual)
09:16:41kugelgah, the commit message isnt right :\
09:17:53kugelbluebrother^: can you have a look at g#77?
09:18:08kugelseems like a trivial change to me
09:18:33CIA-44d8fd988 build result: All green
09:20:58kugelTorne: is there a way to compare patch sets in gerrit?
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09:30:31lebellium_gs2Thanks gevaerts for the R0 on theme website ;)
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10:31:43gevaertsJdGordon: I think we should consider some data structure optimisations at some point. If people have lots of viewports, walking through the list every time you need those with a specific label isn't going to be very fast
10:32:10gevaertsOf course that might not be easy to do without changing draw order...
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10:34:45JdGordongevaerts: i cincerely doubt the speedup would be noticable compared to even a highly optimised codec
10:34:52JdGordonsincerely*
10:35:16gevaertsJdGordon: you're clearly not considering themes with hundreds of viewports ;)
10:35:32JdGordoneven then...
10:36:22JdGordonswitching to an array of pointer/offsets would be theoretically faster than walking the list, but by enough to make it worth it?
10:36:49*gevaerts will try to do some measurements and things sometime during the next year or so :)
10:36:55JdGordonplus it means we need to add magic to get the correct sized array
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10:38:36JdGordongevaerts: g#113 is not the correct way to do it if that is what we want
10:38:43gevaertsok
10:38:47JdGordonwell, its part correct
10:39:23gevaertsI'ts probably a bit extreme
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10:40:28JdGordonno, I mean, if thats what we want the tag needs to be set to SKIN_REFRESH_DYNAMIC in the lib
10:40:47JdGordonwhich will make do_refresh always true so it can be removed, but the table and code needs to match
10:41:07gevaertsAh, right
10:41:20gevaertsWell, the thing really is just this one pointer not being set properly
10:41:50gevaertsIdeally it would be set properly in all needed places
10:42:35JdGordonI'm not really happy with how skined lists turned out
10:42:49JdGordonbut meh
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11:46:30Tornekugel: yes, you can pick which versions to compare in the diff viewer
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11:56:59JdGordoncan i get some testing and feedback on http://gerrit.rockbox.org/120 ?
11:57:30JdGordonI want to change all lcd framebuffer accesses to pointers as the first step to getting dynamic lcd sizes going and multiple framebuffers
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12:09:12superlinuxproHello, Im typing to make a short "video" clip with lotsof drawpixel calls. My .c file is FULL of rb->lcd_drawpixel() functions (100 frames * dozens of drawpixels per frame. the .c file itself it 2 megabytes.) when I type "make" from the build folder, it says "out of memory allocating 547340640 bytes after a total of 496640000 bytes". Please tell me how to fix this. I eventually want to make this "video" ten times as long
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12:12:37superlinuxprothis is with the linux ubuntu virtual machine from the HowtoCompile wiki page
12:24:08gevaertssuperlinuxpro: the plugin size isn't unlimited...
12:25:21superlinuxprogevaerts beginner here. can you point me to a solution if youve got one?
12:25:49gevaertsWell, you *could* grab the audio buffer and load data in there
12:27:11superlinuxprodont know what you mean
12:27:30superlinuxprogevaerts don't know what you mean. I can't do much mroe than follow a hello world wiki
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12:33:55lebellium_gs2Gevaerts I just tried your medieval theme, nice :) btw what 240*320 device do u have and what is exactly this "new skinned list feature" ?
12:36:32superlinuxprodoes rockbox have a file system?
12:39:00Torneif you are drawing a "video" clip with individual pixels you are probably taking entirely the wrong approach
12:39:43Torneyou realise it's possible to draw shapes, text, or just paint entire 2d bitmaps onto the screen in one go?
12:40:02Tornein fact not just bitmaps; we have image decoders for jpg, png, etc :)
12:40:40superlinuxproTorne Ive already got all the pixels
12:40:56Torneyes, but that's *dumb*, i mean
12:41:00Torneand will take up many times more space
12:41:03gevaertslebellium_gs2: gigabeat F, and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Drawing_the_lists_using_a_skin
12:41:55gevaertssuperlinuxpro: if you insist on drawing individual pixels, at least get them from an array in a loop, not using billions of lcd_drawpixel() calls
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12:42:54lebellium_gs2Thx, I'll have a look at it :)
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12:50:15superlinuxprogevaerts I have 128*64 pixels * 1000 frames. If i replace 128*64*1000 drawpixel(10,10)s with 128*64*1000 my_array[500][10][10]=DRAW, then use a loop to call the drawpixel function, will that solve it?
12:51:31superlinuxproif not can you tell what exactly you mean by reading fro an array please?
12:51:47superlinuxproprogramming beginne rhere
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12:54:19desowin_does any target use DSP for codecs?
12:56:29desowin_I think of "TMS320DM320 improvements" idea for GSoC, which would consists of utilising the hardware inside this chip to do magic (accelerated video, DSP to aid some decoding, etc.)
12:58:09desowin_at current state the DSP is just acting as some kind of "audio data bridge"
12:58:48JdGordononly two targets use the dsp at all
12:58:55JdGordonnot even sure if any of the others have one
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13:04:23desowin_hmm, the use of that for accelerated video is already in the "umbrella" video playback project idea
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13:08:05superlinuxproare fopen and fread supported for reading and writing data?
13:10:45Tornesuperlinuxpro: you should be looking at having, for a start, 1000 bitmaps (which is basically 128*64*1000 pixels, but not just in a big array) and drawing them with a loop that calls the bitmap draw function 1000 times :)
13:11:07Tornethis will be far, far faster, take up a lot less space, and be much simpler
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13:35:04superlinuxproTorne Thanks for replying. how do I learn how to use bitmaps? i am a beginner with C and linux. Is there a special way to do it with rockbox? The API file says "lcd_bitmap(src,x,y,width,height,clear) put a bitmap at given position" I Guess i know what x,y,width,and height is, but how do I find out what clear is, and what src is, and how to make a bitmap? the PLUGIN_API file says void lcd_bitmap(const fb_data *src, int x, int y
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13:47:14gevaertssuperlinuxpro: you can read and write files, yes
13:47:58gevaertsAnd yes, using an array will reduce memory use a lot
13:48:57gevaertsReading that data from a file instead of having it in your code will help too, since you can then store it in the audio buffer (although that will stop playback) and not be limited by the 512K plugin buffer most targets have
13:53:05gevaertsIn general though, I think the best idea would be not to try this sort of thing at this stage. You can get away with not really understanding working with pointers and things like that in small and simple programs, but you do need to understand those things if you want to do more
13:56:28superlinuxprogevaerts Thanks for replying. So in my .c file, even if I've got got the same name of array assignments (e.g. myarray[1000][10][10]=TRUE; as I used to have drawpixel() calls, as long as I put the drawpixel function inside some nested loops it will reduce memory usage?
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13:56:58superlinuxproIf I go and google about pointers and stuff will it take me long to learn ? Or will it be harder b/c rockbox has some special way to do it?
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13:58:47gevaertsmyarray[1000][10][10] sounds wrong (what are the three dimensions meant to be? Frames, and pixels in the frame?), but yes, you'll use less space. Basically a drawpixel call needs to store all of those numbers *plus* a function call
13:59:27gevaertsYou need a general understanding of pointers in C. Working in rockbox adds some fun that you won't see on a PC, but chances are you can ignore that
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14:00:47*gevaerts would recommend an online tutorial, but he hasn't personally needed one in the last 15 years or so, so he can't point at one
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14:04:00superlinuxprogevaerts yes the little display is 128*64 pixels, and the video has about 1000 frames
14:04:51gevaertsok
14:05:03superlinuxproIve compiled a file ten times as small
14:05:09superlinuxproits only a few frames though
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14:25:39Tornesuperlinuxpro: if you assign the members of the array one at a time that will *also* be very large
14:25:49Torneyou need to include the actual data into your binary, not code to produce the data
14:26:02Torneso, either a giant array initialiser {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,... };
14:26:22Tornewhich would have to have 100,000 elements for your [1000][10][10] array :)
14:26:54Torneor more sensibly, read it from a file
14:27:52Tornealso, a real bitmap format would be even smaller still, since your array is using at least one byte per pixel, but since they are mono, you only need one bit (and a sensible bitmap format will squish eight mono pixels into a byte)
14:29:44Tornebut.. yeah. do something simpler. learn C better first.
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14:32:14*[Saint] posits that bad code is much simpler than good C. ;)
14:35:24Torneit's difficult to call a file with hundreds of thousands of lines simple :)
14:52:01superlinuxproTorne Thanks for helping. if i just google c tutorial file input and output will i get bad information? do i have to use a rockbox function like: int read(int fildes, void *buf, size_t nbyte);
14:52:01superlinuxproThe read() function attempts to read nbyte bytes from the file associated
14:52:01superlinuxprowith the open file descriptor, fildes, into the buffer pointed to by buf.
14:52:03superlinuxpro?
14:54:40Torneyes; we do not have the functions in stdio.h; our filesystem api is more comparable to the UNIX read/write syscalls
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15:16:52idakI'm sorry for my long message again. But,,,, I think that contributing rockbox is very difficult for "non
15:16:53idaknative English" people. The reason is that a irc is almost needed (something to say attention), and the irc discussion is quite difficult for them.
15:17:27idak (1) There are a lot of acronym and slang they can't understand. (2) It needs a quick response to discuss one's idea. ((3) for East Asian, different timezone (UTC+8 or +9))
15:17:57idak(1) is much more a problem because those words can't look up in dictionary. I think that if rockbox keeps on positioning irc as main development tool, there will (or already or still) be only Western people.
15:19:25[Saint]2 is untrue, and 3 is irrelevant. Its a logged channel, and irc is *not* the only place for development discussion.
15:20:06[Saint]We have a mailing list, and a tracker also.
15:20:15Zagor[Saint]: but irc is the main channel, so I think idak has a point
15:20:40[Saint]Oh, sure...but its not like irc is the only option.
15:20:40Zagorrather than waving off his concern, I think we should think about how we can meet them
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15:22:49[Saint]Regarding 1, isn't there a list of common Rockbox acronyms floating around?
15:23:05[Saint]Perhaps on the wiki. I seem to recall this.
15:23:29[Saint]If I'm imagining it, it could be a nice thing to do.
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15:24:35Tornei'm not sure that acronyms is a big problem, unless people are unwilling to clarify when asked
15:24:38Torneand that seems unlikely
15:24:48GodEater_I'm pretty sure the "non native" speakers actually outnumber the native ones too
15:25:54GodEater_we've also got at least two active people in UTC+12 and UTC+13 :)
15:26:07[Saint]Turns out we do have a list of common terms and acronyms used anyway.
15:26:57GodEater_idak: what do you propose instead of irc ?
15:27:05[Saint]www.rockbox.org/wiki/ProjectGlossary
15:28:10[Saint]Said glossary needs some additions, but I can do that tomorrow if I remember.
15:28:20idakI think irc is good for non native. But now rockbox irc has a lot ofslang
15:28:46GodEater_idak: can you give some examples of this slang? We can try to clarify.
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15:29:56idakyesterday i can't understand "japanese drive-by trolling". I checked slang dictionary and understand it.
15:30:14idakcan't -> couldn't
15:30:36[Saint]Right...that's rather unlikely to come up in development talk ;)
15:30:39GodEater_sadly that isn't rockbox specific slang - that's almost an internet wide thing
15:31:52idakYes, but I think it is almost the same. Because non native can't separate them.
15:32:06Zagoridak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-by_shooting + en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
15:32:21[Saint]Acronyms likely to be used here are (mostly) covered in the glossary I linked above.
15:32:22Zagora bit late now, of course :-)
15:34:39[Saint]As GodEater_ pointed out too, there's actually more non-native English speakers in here than native speakers, but it is a "universal language". You're quite unlikely to find very exotic examples of English use here.
15:34:41Torneidak: jokes are inevitably difficult to translate. expecting people not to joke is a tricky one ;)
15:35:36Zagor[Saint]: I don't think there's much point arguing with idak's opinion. these are his impressions and feelings. they are true by definition.
15:36:23[Saint]I'm not saying he's wrong...I think you're reading too much into it. I'm saying its the way it is for a reason.
15:36:28Zagornaturally we don't want to limit the irc discussion. but I am absolutely interested in suggestions how to make it more including.
15:36:55Zagor[Saint]: ok. I am, after all, not a native speaker :-)
15:38:22idakIn generally, mailing list is suitable for non native, because there are a lot of time to translate.
15:39:21[Saint]Are you aware of the development/users mailing lists?
15:40:28Tornerockbox-dev is a perfectly reasonable place to ask questions about development; just because most people use IRC *more* doesn't mean you won't get a response
15:42:36Zagoryes, the dev mailing list is definitely a good place for discussion.
15:45:43idakI'm not aware of ML, because i used patch tracker. But recent days patch tracker was closed(?) and changed to gerrit.
15:46:29Torneidak: it has always been the case that just uploading a patch to the tracker is not a good way to get something included
15:46:48Torneit's always been a good idea to send a message to the mailing list or ask on irc about it
15:46:58TorneThis is still true now we have gerrit instead of flyspray
15:47:22Tornethe tool is just for hosting the proposed change and allowing people to comment on it; getting people interested in the first place is still the author's job, not the tool's.
15:47:59Torneif you aren't comfortable with discussing things on irc, which is fine, then posting to the rockbox-dev mailing list is the best choice, probably.
15:48:15Torneif you're proposing a specific patch, upload it to gerrit first and provide a link in the mail
15:48:42idakHumm, I found that rockbox development has two cycle that creating patch to tracker/girrit and saying attention to ML or irc.
15:48:57idakBut, this is not described before.
15:50:02Tornewhere would you expect to find that information? (serious question)
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15:51:59idakhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
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15:52:38TorneRight, yes.
15:53:25TorneThat seems like a good idea; we should edit both there and docs/CONTRIBUTING to explain that uploading your patch for review is not the last step, and you should expect to have to actively communicate with developers to get it included.
15:53:32idakI didn't know that saying attention to ML or irc is almost needed. I think a lot of non native is only post patch.
15:54:00TorneWe had hundreds/thousands of open patches on flyspray
15:54:10TorneActually paying attention to them is very difficult
15:54:26Torneespecially since in many cases people have just posted them and then never come back *even if* we respond
15:54:53Tornefor example it is quite common that a patch is acceptable, but when we ask the author for their real name in order to commit it they never respond
15:54:59idakYes, they simply thought "ignored".
15:55:26TorneNo, i mean, in many cases in the past we *have* responded, but the author of the patch is already not paying attention any more
15:55:32Torneafter that happens enough times people give up
15:55:48Tornesomeone who is actively engaging with us via IRC or the mailing list is much less likely to disappear :)
15:56:00TorneVery few patches are acceptable as-is when uploaded.
15:56:13TorneThere's usually something that needs changing or improving, or more docs adding, or the author's real name provided, or similar.
15:56:26TorneSo, it's difficult for us to get anywhere if we don't have an open line of communication with the author.
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16:05:13idaknow time is up (0 a.m.). Thank you for a lot of comment!
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16:07:30GodEater_poor fellow
16:07:39GodEater_think he got a bit overwhelmed there
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16:16:58ZagorI'm glad he has spoken up though
16:17:44GodEater_all view points are valuable
16:18:25[Saint]I'm not sure what we could do that isn't already in place, though. And unfortunately neither was s/he.
16:19:13[Saint]Being made aware of the ml certainly seemed to help.
16:20:00GodEater_well we should definitely update the development guide page as indicated though
16:20:38GodEater_just because some people "know" to pester someone somewhere about a patch they've written, doesn't mean everyone does - as he illustrated.
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16:34:52TorneGodEater_: Yeah, that is a definite action we can and should take
16:35:07Tornewe basically agreed at devcon that yes, we are okay with the process working this way, and with patches that aren't being pushed being ignored
16:35:22Tornebut we didn't actually do anything to tell anyone else this :)
16:36:14GodEater_osmosis baby
16:36:19GodEater_that's how it's supposed to work
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17:32:49Fuze_V2_Does any one know where can I find in the OF of sansa Fuze V2 the routine to handle the keys?
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17:57:44pixelmaGodEater_, Torne, Zagor: maybe flyspray could be set to an automatic reply if someone posts a patch along the lines of "if you want your patch included, please communicate it via mailing list or IRC" or somesuch?
17:58:00pixelmamaybe gerrit too
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18:06:36wodzI'd like to ask broader audience - should unwarminder be compiled for bootloaders? The delta is between 2.8kB and 5.5kB (I guess it comes from code being compiled in thumb or arm mode)
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18:12:04wodzhmm, delta table is a bit strange - what is the last column? Moreover Zen Vision, ZVMs and Samsung YP-R0 deltas are plain wrong.
18:14:15Tornewodz: it seems like it'd be nice to have it in the bootloader as well, to me, unless tha tmakes the bootloader too large on some device
18:14:32Tornewodz: also, i will hopefully have a look at handling data aborts during unwinding at some point :)
18:14:52wodzI added check in UIE() to unwind only once btw
18:16:51wodzDo we have bootloader on ARM target that may be affected? I mean do we have bootloader near max size allowed by the platform?
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18:20:36*bertrik vaguely remembers, maybe the clip v1
18:23:45wodzbertrik: who may know for sure? funman?
18:25:15bertrikon the clip v1, we replace a 123k OF image with a 116k new image containing compressed OF + RB bootloader
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18:29:17bertrikon the clip+, we have a bit more room left, with a 134k OF image replaced by 123k (OF+RB bootloader)
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18:34:04wodz5.5kB compressed should be ~3kB after compression
18:34:30wodzso we should be fine
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18:37:20bertrikI don't see much need to have it in the bootloader, but not that much harm either. If we do get into size trouble at some point for a specific target, I'd argue for the stack unwinding stuff to go first.
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18:49:04Tornewodz: Oh, you did? I must've missed that.
18:49:54Tornewodz: Ah, but it still clears the screen and writes the new panic message
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18:50:00Torneso you still lose the partial backtrace
18:50:14TorneAnyway, what i'm proposing would trap the abort and not hit UIE at all
18:50:26Torneand then the backtrace can just neatly conclude with "oh, and the next bit is invalid, be suspicious"
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18:51:16Tornewodz: possibly for now it would be better if you hit UIE with triggered==true to not touch the lcd at all and just skip directly to system_exception_wait
18:51:38Tornesorry, if i'd spotted this i'd've mentioned it :)
18:51:51Tornei didn't see that you had addressed the recursive trace issue at all
18:52:15wodzTorne: This way you will not know that backtrace() bombed out (weak argument but you know...)
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18:53:41Tornewodz: That's kinda worse, though: this way you won't know that the original crash even happened
18:53:44rudleis it possible to get a crash dump from a device? i just installed rockbox onto my ipod and it's bombing during playback
18:54:01Tornerudle: we are, in fact, just discussing the just-committed code which does basically that ;)
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18:54:10Tornewhat does the device say when it dies?
18:54:31rudlenothing, it locks up and emits a most unfortunate buzzing noise
18:54:42rudlei can restart it by holding 'play/pause'
18:55:16Torneer.. just that button?
18:55:21Tornethat's not ever supposed to restart it :)
18:55:37[Saint]If so...its not actually "locking up".
18:55:54rudleerr, i guess it turns off the player. it's an ipod classic
18:56:12rudle[Saint]: i say locks up because no other piece of the UI is responsive, the backlight stays dark, etc
18:56:20TorneOh, if it just turns it off, then probably rockbox is still running
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18:56:32Torneand it's just that it's screwed up its state such that it's not updating the screen..
18:56:35januszBLOKhi guys
18:56:50januszBLOKi have a problem with clip+
18:57:03januszBLOKprobably bricked
18:57:27rudleTorne: that's interesting. are there any actions i can take to further investigate the cause?
18:57:52Torneis this when playing a specific file? any file? at random?
18:58:04januszBLOKwindows show me 4 mb device
18:58:15januszBLOKand can not format
18:58:39rudleany file, it's fairly random. i have a sneaking suspicion that the drive is hosed, and i'm trying to confirm that theory
18:59:07Tornerudle: have you checked the filesystem?
18:59:09n1srudle: how often does it happen?
18:59:27rudlen1s: after about 15~20 minutes of playback
18:59:37rudleTorne: with fsck? sorry i'm kinda new to rockbox
18:59:46Tornechkdsk, fsck, etc, yeah.
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19:00:51n1srudle: does it happen when using the scrollwheel or just when it's playing?
19:01:06rudlen1s: when it's playing, untouched
19:01:26n1sok, probably not the hold switch issue then
19:01:49[Saint]Is this separate to the issue you mentioned in #freemyipod?
19:02:13rudle[Saint]: it occurs with relatively the same frequency, which suggests a drive issue
19:02:25rudlefsck returned exit code 1, i'm pasting the output now
19:02:47[Saint]Please do it in pastebin.
19:03:06rudleworking on it :P
19:03:06[Saint]We don't like getting flooded ;)
19:03:29n1slogbot_ might get annoyed :)
19:05:00TheSevenrudle: apple's firmware hasn't ever locked up but instead just skipped songs?
19:05:16TheSevendid it skip whole songs, or jump to the next on in the middle of playing the previous one?
19:05:34rudleTheSeven: no lockups, and it would skip 'the rest of the song' when it did
19:06:04rudlehttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/555123 heres the fsck output
19:06:05n1ssounds very much like corruption of files or a bad disk then
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19:06:47TheSevenwell he claims that this happens completely at random, not reproduible, so I'd rather think bad connection/signal somewhere, probably not bad sectors
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19:07:18rudleis it worth running something like SMART on the drive?
19:07:43TheSevencan't hurt to gather as much information as possible
19:07:44n1srudle: if you remember a track where this has happened, can you try playing it again?
19:08:16rudlei'm on it
19:08:22TheSevenrudle: could it be possible that this ipod got in touch with water or some other liquids at some point?
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19:08:53rudlehmm, i don't think so. i've taken pretty good care of it
19:09:05TheSevenrudle: the fsck log looks more like an emcore bug than an HDD issue... have to look into that
19:09:41TheSevenand a very very weird one...
19:11:50rudlen1s: it made it through the song, but crashed shortly after
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19:12:57TheSevenrudle: indeed, you just uncovered a FAT driver bug :)
19:13:07rudleawesome!
19:13:33*TheSeven wonders if it was him who screwed that up or some guy he copied the code from
19:14:24[Saint]When all else fails, pass the blame :)
19:16:52TheSevenanyway, fixed it in emCORE HEAD
19:17:06rudlesweet, is that safe to try out now?
19:17:51TheSevenit should be when the build system finishes compiling
19:18:08TheSeventhis only screwed up a couple directory links though, rather harmless bug
19:18:24TheSevencertainly not responsible for any playback trouble
19:18:49rudleoh, i see
19:18:58TheSevenyou could try installing this if you want: http://builds.freemyipod.org/emcore-installer/target/ipodclassic/emcore-installer-ipodclassic-r862.ubi
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19:19:21TheSeventhrow away the whole .apps tree before running that and it should be fixed
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20:05:58thomasjfoxCan someone add my "thomasjfox" gerrit account to gerrit's commiters group?
20:06:14gevaertsthomasjfox: IIRC you need Torne or Zagor for that
20:06:36*thomasjfox summons Torne
20:07:10thomasjfoxI'm wondering how many (active) commiters didn't migrate yet
20:07:38thomasjfoxThough the new committers list is quite long already
20:09:12n1sthey aren't very active comitters if they haven't migrated yet :)
20:09:33kugelthomasjfox: for some definition of "active" all active committers migrated already :)
20:09:53thomasjfox;)
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20:22:28rudlehmm, ipod drive seems really upset, it won't mount as FAT under linux. is it safe to just format the drive?
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20:39:49ukleinekgevaerts: do you have still more ideas for my broken e280 if wobbling the flash chips doesn't make them writeable?
20:39:59gevaertsno
20:40:10ukleinek:-(
20:40:42ukleinekgevaerts: thanks anyhow for your ideas.
20:45:06ukleinekthe smd connections look ok as far as I can tell.
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21:14:09saratogabluebrother^: perhaps it would be more clear if the "quick start" tab in rbutil installed a current build for targets without a release instead of being greyed out
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21:34:27saratogawhats teh equivalent of "svn revert -R" in git?
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21:35:41gevaertssaratoga: git reset −−hard, probably
21:36:32saratogafor future reference, if i want to update my check out and i've made trivial changes to it, whats the usual way to merge my changes with updates?
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21:36:55ukleineksaratoga: git pull?
21:37:06saratogathat complains if i've made local changes
21:37:18gevaertsDepends. If you have committed locally, git pull −−rebase. If not, git stash
21:37:28gevaertsThe git pull and git stash pop
21:37:42saratogahow do i commit locally?
21:37:53gevaertsgit commit
21:38:06saratogaand that won't push anything back to rockbox.org?
21:38:13gevaertsNot at that time, no
21:38:22saratogawhen should i commit things locally
21:38:25gevaertsYou have to be a bit careful if you never want to push it though
21:38:53gevaertsUp to you, really
21:39:38*gevaerts asks our resident git experts about tutorials :)
21:41:34ukleineka safe way to prevent accidental pushes is to use a readonly transport for cloning
21:50:58n1si though git stash; git pull, git stash pop would reapply local changes after pulling?
21:52:20gevaertsyes
21:53:34n1sso how would you do what saratoga ask, what git revert does, just git stash ?
21:53:40n1sand leave it there
21:54:15ukleinekgit revert is different from svn revert
21:54:31ukleinekn1s: git revert creates a commit that undoes another.
21:55:08n1sah, i meant to typoe what svn revert does, i assumed git revert did something i don't want
21:55:28gevaertsn1s: he asked two different things :)
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21:55:57n1sindeed, i missed the second question
21:56:15n1sso git reset −−hard path/to/file should do what i want?
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21:57:06Bagder"git co [file]" is basically the same thing
21:57:26Bagdergit checkout even
21:57:38n1sso that's ok with overwriting local changes?
21:57:44Bagderyes
21:57:56n1si should take notes
21:59:31bluebrother^saratoga: I'd like to remove that tab completely anyway.
21:59:34ukleinekreset and checkout differ in how they handle the index
21:59:43saratogayes thats also an option
21:59:49n1snaturally
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22:00:11saratogadoes anyone have an opinion on the final version of FS #12288 ?
22:00:11fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12288 3Sansa Clip+: "Home" in the main menu to WPS/Radio (patches, unconfirmed)
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22:01:43ukleinekhttp://marklodato.github.com/visual-git-guide/index-en.html is a nice one
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22:04:28*bluebrother^ likes this one: http://www.ndpsoftware.com/git-cheatsheet.html
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22:28:27bertriksaratoga, I lost track of that patch, I'll try it no
22:28:31bertrikw
22:35:16CIA-44Commit 1a4a934 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Don't poll SAPI script output.
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22:38:04jlbiasinibluebrother: there is still a problem with RockboxUtility post install hint on the Fuze+: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/43468173/RockboxUtility%20hint.jpg
22:38:06jlbiasini1. means already Disconnect your player like 3.
22:38:11CIA-441a4a934 build result: All green
22:39:23jlbiasiniI used last version compiled from git
22:40:22jlbiasiniIf you want I will make a patch to correct that
22:40:54jlbiasinior is it bluebrother^ ?
22:41:02bertrikalso spelling mistake in inbstallation
22:42:19bertriksaratoga, I don't know much about the keymap code, but I like the way it works with that patch
22:42:20jlbiasiniah right but this is probably related with the french translation only and not with the structure or the code itself
22:42:38bertrikfine with me for commit
22:43:49kugelbluebrother: did you see my ping from earlier?
22:49:41TheSevenfunman: ever looked at an STM32 datasheet?
22:49:59TheSevenI just noticed that those chips seem to use the same synopsys OTG that the ipods and amsv2 use
22:50:16TheSevenand the documentation in there seems to be way better than the s3c6400x one
22:50:58TheSeventhis also means that I now have a devboard with jtag access etc. which should be compatible driver-wise
22:51:03TheSevenmight ease debugging a lot :)
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22:53:16bluebrotherkugel: yes. I'm not sure if I like the changed behaviour though
22:54:02bluebrotherwe close pretty much all "selection" dialogs after installation, and changing that for theme installation would make it inconsistent
22:58:45jlbiasinibluebrother: should I make a patch for the post hint problem?
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23:01:03bluebrotherjlbiasini: I'm already looking at it
23:01:18jlbiasiniok
23:01:40jlbiasinithanks
23:01:42jlbiasini:)
23:03:05jlbiasinibluebrother: actually just removing the 1. would be sufficient... if it's compatible with other target
23:03:34bluebrotherwell, of course not :)
23:03:49bluebrotherother players don't define their own "remove player" string ;-)
23:04:15jlbiasinithat's all the fun about it :D
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23:06:16n1sbluebrother: themes are different though, people might want to install several, no other things are like that i think
23:07:26bluebrothern1s: you can already select multiple themes. Shouldn't that be sufficient?
23:08:13n1si didn't know that (i've never used it though), maybe others don't know that either
23:08:19bluebrotherhmm.
23:08:27bluebrotherI've even put a not on the bottom of that screen
23:08:35n1soh :)
23:08:36bluebrother*note
23:08:53bluebrotheryeps, still there :)
23:09:05n1ssounds like we should fix the users then :)
23:09:09TheSevenfunman: that also means that there's a set of open source (but not neccessarily GPL-compatible) CMSIS drivers for that USB core out there
23:09:29bluebrotherif people seem to miss that changing behaviour might be something to consider
23:11:35n1sbluebrother: i'd guess they just don't expect it and noone reads instructions since they *know* how things work
23:12:01n1sanyway, doesn't sound like it's in much need of fixing
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23:12:36bluebrothermaking it harder for people to install themes is also likely to decrease the load on our servers :P
23:12:43n1ssince the patch was posted i just assumed the dialog only let you install one theme and then closed so you'd have to click a lot to install more
23:13:19bluebrotherwell, multiselect was introduced when the "install all" button was removed.
23:14:21bluebrotherbut I still want to implement the reworked main tab which will change the behaviour of that screen completely anyway :)
23:14:22n1si don't know how it looks but perhaps a list with checkboxes or something for selection would make it clearer
23:14:33TheSevenfunman: http://pastie.org/3435388 might also contain some clues about those lockup issues
23:14:55bluebrotherof course there is still other stuff I want to get fixed so this might not happen too soon
23:16:24jlbiasinibluebrother: do you thing you will have time to have a look to my manual patches? Or do you prefer that I ask someone else?
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23:17:21jlbiasiniI know this is quite harassing....
23:17:28jlbiasini:(
23:17:46bluebrotherjlbiasini: I'll try ... I have a cold right now so I'm a bit slow getting things done
23:18:25n1sjlbiasini: as you have probably noticed, few patches get through unless someone is pusing for them to be reviewed and committed
23:19:20jlbiasinin1s: I'm a bit afraid to annoy people asking all the time for commiting my patches
23:19:57jlbiasiniAnd the first version I sended to bluebrother were a bit dirty... :(
23:20:19n1swhen people are annoyed they'll look at the patch so yo'll stop :)
23:20:58CIA-44Commit dc9bd85 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Remove duplicate entry from postinstall hint.
23:20:59CIA-44Commit f9bf62e in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Fix post installation hint for h100 / h300 players.
23:22:55bluebrotherhmm, nobody noticed the post installation hint being broken for h100 / h300 :(
23:23:02jlbiasinikugel: did you see that I updated bounce PLA? I also send a fireworks PLA
23:23:22CIA-44f9bf62e build result: All green
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23:25:25bluebrotheris there an easy way to pull a review in my working copy?
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23:26:37n1sbluebrother: i think there's a link in the gerrit interface?
23:26:49bluebrotherah, I can simply run that?
23:26:50*bluebrother tries
23:27:02bluebrothernice.
23:27:11bluebrotherI thought that's for a new copy
23:27:25n1syeah i guess cherry-pick usually
23:27:50bluebrotherhmm, it's not a clone so I guess that wouldn't work without having a clone already. Maybe I was thinking too much about it :)
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23:32:25CIA-44Commit 5f2fb4a in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: (Author: Jean-Louis Biasini) Fuze+'s manual: change ugly \ButtonPlayPause
23:32:44bluebrothernice how easy that was :)
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23:34:41CIA-445f2fb4a build result: All green
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23:35:20bluebrotheris the author of g#77 around in this channel?
23:35:50*bluebrother needs to fix the bot
23:36:59jlbiasinibluebrother: yes this one is the easy one :)
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23:38:49bluebrotherjlbiasini: yes, but I was referring to submitting a change via gerrit :)
23:39:26jlbiasinibluebrother: Yeah I got it!! :D
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23:45:19jlbiasiniFS's gurus up there? FS #12405 can be close
23:45:21fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12405 3Improve touchpad implementation for the fuzeplus's port (patches, unconfirmed)
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23:51:08bluebrotherjlbiasini: has it been merged?
23:51:36bluebrothernvm
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23:55:14*bluebrother looking at g#119
23:55:36bluebrotherhmm, not reacting on action events? g#119
23:55:37fs-bluebot3Gerrit review # at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,
23:55:47bluebrotherslightly broken :)
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23:56:59bluebrotherTrying again: g#119
23:57:00fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #119 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,119
23:58:17jlbiasinibluebrother: yes it's a old FS with a lot of different patch, at end everything was patched
23:58:40bluebrothereither way, I've already closed it
23:58:41jlbiasiniand send: see last comment
23:58:46jlbiasinithanks

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