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#rockbox log for 2012-02-24

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00:05:23 Part jlbiasini
00:19:11dfktshould something like %or(%if(%mp,=,4), %if(%mp,=,5))<a|b> be working, or can't i use %if() inside %or()?
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00:26:44dfktoh wow, it does! :) needs %?or instead of %or
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00:29:43dfkt[Saint], remember my ultra-bloat from earlier? i got it down to this :D - http://pastebin.com/XaJX2mPp
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00:47:07[Saint]dfkt: that's a fine job.
00:47:28[Saint]But man, man oh man do I hate that line-break/indenting style ;)
00:47:49dfktheh, it's neat and tidy here, pastebin messed it up :)
00:48:10[Saint]No, its "neat" here too.
00:48:20[Saint]I just hate it with a passion ;)
00:48:23dfktwhy?
00:48:49[Saint]It totally breaks my concentration when reading a set of nested tags/conditions.
00:48:58*[Saint] is an *oldschool* themer ;)
00:49:11dfkti guess you're used to the old style... maybe needs some time ;)
00:49:43dfktbut yeah, hard to check with line breaks if you missed a | or > or something
00:49:53[Saint]I just use a script that c/p's and removes indentation and line breaks ;)
00:50:05[Saint]then I can rwad other peoples nasty code :P
00:50:08[Saint]*read
00:50:40dfkti thought you wanted to make the cabbie code noob-friendly? ;)
00:51:43[Saint]I do...but, that doesnt mean *I* have to like it.
00:51:47[Saint];)
00:52:10dfktheh
00:52:53[Saint]i look at it and think: "that could be one, neat line.....so much bloat"
00:52:54[Saint]:P
00:54:28[Saint]If I did that to some of my conditions, it could end up making 5 LOC into ~100 LOC
00:55:05[Saint]making it impossible to read, as the entire condition never fits on the screen.
00:55:16[Saint]</$0.02>
00:57:50[Saint]I mean....remember the metadata display code I posted the other day for you to look at?
00:58:35[Saint]indentation and nesting with line breaks would make that a few hundred chars wide, and about ~100 LOC
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02:09:42dfkthere's the supported codec list from /apps/metadata.h - i intended the ones which i believe do support replaygain - http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YhBb287K
02:09:52dfktis this correct? did i miss some?
02:11:18JdGordonwouldnt it be better if there was a tag which said "does the current codec support replaygain?"
02:11:38dfktthat would be nice, indeed
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02:37:13saratogai think we have a list in the manual
02:37:57saratogahmm no it only lists the tags that support replaygain
02:38:06saratogaso it doesn't cover some of the weirder formats
02:38:28JdGordonis there something in the codec which will tell us which do and dont at runtime?
02:38:58saratogai doubt it
02:40:45saratogathe codec files themselves handle replaygain, not the core
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02:41:15dfktif the tags handle replaygain, the codec doesn't actually matter?
02:41:19saratogahttp://pastebin.com/hm1zxz8C
02:41:48saratogahmm although i bet some of those fields might be blank
02:42:38JdGordonwhat does codec_set_replaygain() do?
02:42:54saratogalooking now
02:43:06saratogaci->configure(DSP_SET_TRACK_GAIN, id3->track_gain);
02:44:43JdGordonis that something we can check later?
02:44:57saratogai guess you can check if the field is non-zero
02:45:12JdGordonactually, thats probably what the existing replaygain tag does?
02:46:02saratogayeah it'll just tell you if the info exists, not if its possible for it to exist
02:46:44saratogahmm no i'm wrong, the metadata parsers do handle the actual replaygain parsing, but the codecs initialize the info when they start
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05:09:42*[Saint] grumbles about the Playlist Catalogue config.cfg entry
05:10:07[Saint]Its catalogue, not catalog! ;)
05:11:56JdGordonbleh
05:17:11funmansaratoga: the patch looks great
05:19:17JdGordoncan anyone with non-16bit LCD targets please test http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,33453.0.html
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05:49:00[Saint]rasher: the RaaA builds appear to be dead again.
05:49:40[Saint]Looks like it hasn't completed/uploaded a build since you poked it last time.
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06:47:38KiwiCamIs two weeks enough time to come back and ask someone if I can get an update on something? I'z IZ a patient man. But, I'm lacking patience right now, and the st#ner in me, wants to create.
06:48:36JdGordondepends who you are asking
06:50:00KiwiCamDarn. I've forgotten how to do those thought things. JD! You just might well know that right man for me to talk to. I have to ask him about this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12586
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06:57:38*[Saint] frowns at that.
06:58:01[Saint]Were I able to, I'd have closed that out as "Not a Bug" ages ago.
06:58:17[Saint]You want a whole new tag...not a kludge on %ss
06:59:11JdGordonnot necessarily
06:59:30JdGordonand the only difference between bugs and feauters are when they are found
06:59:45[Saint]%substring ;)
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07:00:13[Saint]I just don't think the tracker is the right place for this.
07:00:14JdGordonany why is asking for that to dump a number unreasonable?
07:00:46[Saint]Its not, necessarily. But the fact it doesn't isn't a bug.
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07:27:33KiwiCamI don't mind posting in the Forum. Under Features? I'd just like it done. How much work would that involve?
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08:53:51wodzJdGordon: I tested lcd patch on hd300 and judging from simple tests it works. I'll take the unit with me today to stress it a little bit more.
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08:54:48wodzJdGordon: Unfortunately I can't test on HD200 (which has quite exotic pixelformat) as usb bridge is broken and I don't have CF card reader right now.
08:56:46wodzOh, and my wife triggered interesting bug in rb. She toyed with pictureflow and managed to put player in the state where selected track doesn't start to play. I mean it is selected, reports it is playing but it is not and progressbar in wps does not advance.
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09:11:32JdGordonwodz: thanks
09:13:32MrFrosthey guys
09:13:49MrFrostcan someone pls look at a radio patch for r0
09:14:12MrFrostit's on flyspray about a week already
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09:23:49ZagorMrFrost: could you please upload it to gerrit instead? we have stopped using flyspray for patches.
09:24:06ZagorI should add a big note...
09:24:32Zagorgerrit.rockbox.org
09:24:47MrFrostit's not my patch
09:25:15MrFrostlorenzo92 develops rockbox for r0
09:25:37Zagoraha
09:26:22MrFrostI'm making a theme
09:26:33MrFrostneed to test it on device
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09:48:27GodEater_has anyone noticed that in our UsingGit document, in the first paragraph, we use two entirely different hostnames, as well as different protocols?
09:48:32GodEater_is this deliberate?
09:48:48GodEater_will and http clone request only work to the gerrit host?
09:48:54GodEater_s/and/an/
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10:12:35[Saint]MrFrost: There's other targets with the same resolution
10:12:43[Saint]Gigabeat, for example.
10:12:54[Saint]Grab a sim and test on that.
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10:53:15CIA-44Commit 7b99318 in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: HiFiMAN: Implement lcd powersave mode.
10:53:16CIA-44Commit 3515388 in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x/hm801: Fix USB DAC functionality
10:55:38CIA-443515388 build result: All green
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11:05:05[Saint]evilnick: I probably messed up a batch find/replace job.
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11:05:28[Saint]I'll have a look later on, and bug you by mail if you're not around.
11:05:33evilnickStill, it's no hassle for me to make sure that the fault is not at my side
11:05:52wodzmortalis: wouldn't it be better to add parameter to iomux_lcd() and set pins accordingly?
11:05:57[Saint]For now, sorry, and revert to the latest you knew worked.
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11:08:11kugel[Saint]: can I download your latest theme somewhere?
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11:08:50evilnickkugel: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/Rockbox%20as%20an%20Application/rockbox-480x800-r00010.zip
11:09:08evilnickIs the version that I have (that isn't working properly)
11:09:16*kugel needs 320x480
11:09:36evilnick[Saint]: Just FYI, it does seem to be the theme, no rush on the fix though
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11:12:50mortaliswodz: do you mean something like: void iomux_lcd(bool is16bit) ?
11:13:40wodzmore something like iomux_lcd(enum rk27xx_mode_t mode)
11:14:03wodzok rk27xx_mode_t is not the best name but you see the concept
11:14:50Zagoris rbutil voice generation still broken?
11:14:53wodzIt would be best to leave lcdif-rk27xx.c quite generic
11:15:08gevaertsZagor: not as far as I know
11:15:45wodzmortalis: How do you boot rockbox currently on hifimans?
11:15:55ZagorI committed bluebrother's website fix but I never heard if it solved it
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11:17:01gevaertsZagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120221#20:26:39 is the closest I see
11:17:09mortaliswodz: I make BASE.RKW from rockbox.bin and replace it in OF
11:17:23Zagorgevaerts: ah, missed that. thanks.
11:17:38wodzmortalis: you mean you patch BASE.RKW or replace completely?
11:17:54mortalisreplace completely
11:18:18wodzah, ok so you store rockbox firmware on hidden partition right?
11:18:30wodzand resource files on usd card
11:18:39mortalisyes
11:19:13wodzmortalis: did you craft some custom tool or you use Alemaxx one?
11:19:30mortalisAlemaxx
11:21:49wodzI was thinking a bit about booting rb on rk27xx platform. Basically we can 1) patch s2 nand bootloader 2) replace BASE.RKW with our bootloader and boot off usd 3) patch BASE.RKW and boot rb from usd and OF from hidden partition
11:22:11wodzthe simplest is 2)
11:22:27wodzand the slowest for sure
11:23:38mortalisin case 2 we couldn't make dualboot, right?
11:23:39wodzmortalis: is there a known way to expose hidden partition on hifi's
11:23:49wodzmortalis: why not?
11:24:09wodzmortalis: we will need to load original BASE.RKW from usd though
11:24:53wodzmortalis: and why hold button is not supported in rb?
11:27:00mortalisto expose hidden partion we need to make empty file HIFIMAN.SYS in internal flash. Of couse it works only for OF
11:28:06wodzcool, this will make installation process trivial
11:28:07mortalisI don't know how to read hold button state. Maybe it should read through SPI
11:28:59wodzmortalis: Have you tracked traces on PCB? I suspect it is connected to gpio which is simply missconfigured
11:29:39wodzspi for just one button is unlikely
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11:38:12mortaliswodz: No i haven't. I checked all calls of GPIO_GetPinLevel in OF, no one of those pins used for hold
11:39:38mortalisI tried to configure SCU to work as much gpios as possible and it give no result
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12:21:31wodzmortalis: When I find some free time I'll try to craft something according to booting approach 2)
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12:36:31mortaliswodz: nice. btw approach 1) is impossible on hfm's without shorting out pins
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12:36:53lorenzo92uhm I don't find any button to add a task to gerrit...hints?
12:37:10mortalisor possible, but i dunno how
12:37:42wodzmortalis: It is possible - it will need different protocol (you sent me dumps of communication)
12:38:02wodzlorenzo92: UsingGit covers uploading for review
12:38:16wodzlorenzo92: I mean www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit
12:38:36lorenzo92thanks
12:38:59wodzmortalis: From the posts on the forum I don't quite get why one need to overwrite nand bootloader to uninstall rockbox
12:49:12mortaliswodz: I don't quiet get what are you talking about. There is no need to overwrite nand bootloader.
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12:50:30mortalisIIRC dumps i sent you overwrite hidden partition (it's non ROM DFU mode)
12:51:24mortalisto overwrite nand bootlader ROM DFU mode needed
12:51:50ReinDHi, can someone add my to the WikiUsersGroup? I'd like to add my Classic battery benchmark results later today
12:51:51wodzmortalis: so why one need to shorten nand pins to recover? To uninstall it is enough to overwrite firmware partition as you don't touch nand bootloader
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12:56:41mortaliswodz: if you are talking about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,32587.0.html , then didn't seen such problem before, and didn't know how to solve. That's why I adviced him to short out pins hoping that it would help. Normaly uninstalling goes without shorting out.
12:57:24wodzok, now its clear
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12:58:29wodzdoes hifi's have fm chip?
12:58:59wodzhmm, I guess not
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13:03:25mortaliswodz: you ar right
13:06:44mortalisReinD: what's your wiki name?
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13:09:52ReinDmortalis: it's also 'ReinD' if I'm correct
13:10:45kugelReinD: we demand your real name for the wiki
13:11:32ReinDkugel: and I should give that here on a public IRC?
13:11:52CIA-44Commit 7c215b1 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Jean-Louis Biasini) bounce's plugin PLA integration (main code + manual)
13:12:18kugelReinD: yea
13:12:41kugelwell you can give your name in private chat too but it's visible on rockbox.org anyway
13:13:00ReinDand you all did the same thing?
13:13:16mortalisyes
13:13:17kugelsure
13:13:24ReinDokay, it's Reinoud Dik
13:14:02kugelokay, that doesnt fix the wrong user name for the wiki though :)
13:14:18CIA-447c215b1 build result: All green
13:14:26kugeldon't know if you can change it or should make a new one?
13:14:37ReinDso I need to make a new username / account?
13:15:49kugelperhaps Zagor can change it
13:16:06Zagorsure
13:16:45ReinDzagor: thanks
13:17:13Zagordone
13:17:24ZagorReinoudDik is your new username
13:18:31ReinDZagorL thank you, so now I can publish my benchmark results? :)
13:20:25CIA-44Commit a60bc25 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Jean-Louis Biasini) fireworks's plugin PLA integration
13:21:27mortalisReinD: I added you to wiki users group. Now you can.
13:22:17ReinDmortalis: thanks man! My browser says that the password will be sent unencrypted, is that 'normal' for this website?
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13:38:30kugelis the Reviewed column visible to everyone or only me?
13:39:06Tornejust you
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13:39:16Torneit's just a trivial note about whether you have looked at a given file
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14:55:29Zagorhttp://www.mctek.tk/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.cgi?page=Android/Rockbox/Build
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15:06:46CIA-44Commit 3a4f8cd in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: fireworks: ues PLA_EXIT to exit without going through the menu.
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15:08:56CIA-443a4f8cd build result: All green
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15:12:51kugelZagor: I wonder how he managed that statusbar. it looks it would be a sbs but it shows android elements
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15:17:06evilnickkugel: The cellphone reception icon is volume: http://www.mctek.tk/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.cgi?page=Rockbox%CD%D1%A5%B9%A5%AD%A5%F3
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15:21:20kugelevilnick: I thought so :) I meant the rockbox and adb/android logo
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15:42:55dfkthow do i make sure that album art is displayed over an image, not under it? the sorting order in the wps code doesn't seem to matter, album art always displays under the image (i can't use a regular backdrop for this issue)
15:44:28dfktwith "under" i mean the album art gets covered by the image
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16:59:17MrFrostCan someone add me to theWikiUsersGroup pls?
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17:09:28AlexPWhat's your wiki name?
17:09:44MrFrostEugeneAveryanov
17:11:18AlexPOK, done
17:11:41MrFrostthanks :)
17:12:20AlexPno problem
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19:05:57bluebrotherhuh? Why is my post in the forums showing up twice?
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19:10:44blackershi
19:10:50blackersis there anybody?
19:11:23n1sthere is
19:11:51blackersthanks, i have a strange problem with my iPod 5th gen
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19:12:30blackersi just bought it, and the rockbox firmware makes a background noise if you see what i mean
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19:14:29n1sblackers: i don't see what you mean, could you describe your problem in more detail?
19:14:56n1swhen does it happen, is it not preseint in the Original Firmware?
19:15:16blackersok i'll try to explain better, i'm not english
19:16:05blackersso, in the original firmware i have a little background noise. a little embarrassing but nevermind.
19:16:23blackerswhen i install rockbox, it becames more noisy
19:16:42blackersnot only when i play sound, the noise is always
19:17:30blackersyou know better what i mean?
19:17:58n1si think so, that sounds like a harware issue that is for some reason just a bit worse in rockbox. Do you use the same volume in rockbox and OF ?
19:18:28blackersthe volume doesn't matter, the noise is always the same
19:18:34n1si don't have an ipod 5g but several daps have a slight background hiss
19:18:48n1sit's not dependant on volume?
19:19:06blackersno
19:19:32blackerswhen the volume is at 0, the noise is the same
19:19:57n1s0db? that is usually rahter loud
19:20:24blackershmm no i don't mean 0db
19:20:40blackersi mean the lowest volume
19:20:53blackersi don't remeber how much it is
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19:21:21n1sok, well to me it sounds like a hw issue but perhaps some ipod video user can comment?
19:21:41blackersi think it is...
19:21:59blackersi'm trying to reinstall
19:22:40n1sthat is very unlikely to help
19:22:51MrFrostreinstalling won't help if it is hw issue
19:23:10blackersyes but it's the only thing i can do right now
19:23:12MrFrostIf you have the same in the OF it likely to be this
19:23:25blackersbut this is not the same
19:23:35blackersin the OF it's a little noise
19:23:53MrFrosthm
19:24:07blackersas i said its not very embarrassing
19:24:09MrFrostthis is probably amplifier noise
19:24:14blackersin rockbox its louder
19:24:27blackersyes it can be
19:24:37MrFrostyour ipod is brand new?
19:24:42blackersno
19:24:51blackersi bought it frome ebay...
19:25:07MrFrostoh
19:25:26blackersit's a 5th gen, originally 30Gb but harddisk have been remplaced 80 gb
19:26:35MrFrostso it was dissasembled
19:26:38blackerswhen i'm -90 db it makes no noise
19:26:47blackersbut when i'm 89 it makes
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19:27:15MrFrostat -90 amplifier is off
19:27:18blackersaround -10 it begins to be louder
19:27:19MrFrosti think so
19:28:39MrFrosti think this is something with shielding
19:28:58blackerswhat is that?
19:29:30MrFrosti don't know how to explain in english
19:30:02blackersyou are what nationality?
19:30:09MrFrostbelarussian
19:30:17blackersok
19:30:28blackerstry to explain anyways?
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19:30:55MrFrostdevices inside a player
19:31:19MrFrostmake noise
19:31:38MrFrostif amplifier is unshielded it can be affected by this
19:31:47MrFrostnoises
19:31:49blackersok
19:32:11evilnickhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_shielding
19:32:15blackersi see what you mean, but why my amplifier would be unshielded
19:32:28blackersyes 'im on this page already :)
19:32:37MrFrostbecause it was disassembled by some men
19:32:51MrFrostand may be assembled not right
19:33:45blackersyes it must be
19:33:53blackersand i know it was dissasembled
19:34:22blackersso, do you think its possible for me to reassemble and fix it?
19:34:25MrFrosti think that is the reason
19:35:21blackersand second question, do you know why noise becames louder in rockbox?
19:36:00MrFrostI don;t know
19:36:05blackersok
19:36:24blackerswhat you said helped me, thanks a lot
19:36:44blackersif you have other ideas tell me
19:37:54MrFrostbtw amplifiers make a so called white noise
19:38:25MrFrostwhen it's on you can hear a sizzle
19:38:30MrFrostnot loud
19:38:38MrFrostit's normal
19:38:49blackersand? the noise is not frome the amplifier, isn't it?
19:38:54blackersfrom*
19:39:38blackersi mean, yes it is, but if it's a sheld problem
19:39:39MrFrostit is from it
19:39:52blackersthe amplifier is not damaged
19:40:42MrFrostif your player plays music it's not damaged i think
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19:43:15blackersyes
19:45:21blackersis there ipod 5th users here?
19:45:29blackersdo you have this little noise too?
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19:54:02Mirgood morning
19:54:18Miri got a toshiba gigabeat but i dont know what model it is
19:54:39Miror if i can connect it using the standard usb port to my linux machine to put rockbox on it
19:54:57AlexPDoes it look like any of the ones we support?
19:55:00Miri am pretty sure its either an s/f/x
19:55:12AlexPDoes it have a tocuh cross on the front?
19:55:21AlexPOr a physical cross?
19:55:31Mirhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/GigabeatBatteryUpgrade/step-2.jpg
19:55:36AlexPand dmesg might tell you something
19:55:48n1sdoes it have a windows button?
19:55:49Mirwait
19:55:51Miryes
19:55:55Mirmine has a windows button
19:56:03AlexPIs that a picture of yours?
19:56:10AlexPAs that picture looks like a F
19:56:17Mirthats the difference betweent that picture and mine
19:56:22AlexPBut the F doesn't have a windows button, the S does
19:56:23n1sthe S has a windows button, the f/x don't
19:56:33Mirmine is the same color and the cross control is the same
19:56:37Mirahh
19:56:37AlexPbut the S has a physical cross button, not the touch type
19:56:47Mirthis is a button cross
19:56:51n1sthough there are other gigabeats we don't support that might have one too
19:56:53Mirso yes it must be the S
19:56:59n1ssound slike the S yes
19:57:02AlexPSounds like an S, but it might be another that we don't support
19:57:11MirModel MES30V
19:57:20n1sthat's the S i think
19:57:29AlexPYep
19:57:36n1syeah, same as mine
19:58:05Mircool :3
19:58:31Miris there anything i need to do before i rockbox it?
19:59:06n1sno, just follow the instructions, the install can be a bit tricky i think but i don't quite remember
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20:00:02Mirhopefully its easier than the Clip
20:00:07Mirthat was a pain in the arse
20:00:17Mirbut by god is it sexy :3
20:01:23Miri got this mp3 player for 6$
20:01:51Mirthats as much as i paid for my Zen Vision M
20:02:40*Mir does prefer the C200 and the E200 though over the clip or the iTouchMyselfAtNight from Apple
20:07:28n1sthe c200 is rather crap :)
20:07:44n1sthe beast is nice but the battery time isn't good
20:14:03Miri get 27 hours out of my C240
20:14:08Mirwith rockbox
20:14:15Mirmuch more than my clip
20:15:36n1si think the sound quality is rather bad and it needs to be cranked almost to the max to drive my headphones, the display is also bad
20:15:51Mirodd
20:15:58Miri have good soundquality on mine
20:16:16n1sit's obviously subjective
20:16:16Mirand only need the volume at -34db to drive my headphones
20:16:28Mirand thats on all 4 of my C200's
20:16:30n1sand depends on the headphones too
20:16:33Miryea
20:16:41Mirmine are JVC marshmellows
20:16:48n1sthe hp jack is rather easy to break off the pcb too
20:17:02Mirhehe
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20:17:26Mirthe jack on one of my Vision M's is kinda broken
20:17:29Mirit still works
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20:42:57BoogleBoyIm installing rockbox into an ipod video using the windows rockbox utility but Its like froze on the theme installation
20:43:10BoogleBoyLike I cant select the screen, what should I do?
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20:44:09fairs3oh no matter sorted
20:44:39jlbiasinibluebrother: isn't there a way to have linguist-qt4 translating all the occurence of a sentence with the same translation? The french translation can be very different from one method to another - while always translating the same sentence.
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20:51:21sean_fosterbrownHi. Is any part of rockbox written in C++? I know C++ but am not very good with C.
20:51:38saratogarockbox utility is c++
20:51:45saratogabut rockbox itself doesn't use c++
20:51:59sean_fosterbrownOh. OK.
20:52:16sean_fosterbrownGuess I'll just have to work harder at learning C then
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20:52:23saratogac is basically a subset of c++, so you pretty much already know it
20:55:09gevaertsWell, yes, but you can do a *lot* of c++ without seeing much of the common bits
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21:09:52blackersany ipod 5th gen users here?
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21:21:50bluebrotherjlbiasini: linguist provides suggestions for translations. Look for the "phrases and guesses" pane
21:22:41jlbiasiniyes I saw that but I all installation files the two first sentence are the same
21:23:19bluebrotherwell, there's no easy way to do that except the usual copy and paste
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21:24:09bluebrotherthe problem is that Qt considers two identical strings in different classes to be different −− which is a good thing, since that could mean they have a different context and actually require a different translation
21:24:32jlbiasiniThat is what I wanted to know. Some translationn are following english to closely but I guess it's ok
21:25:14bluebrotherif some translations are off of the normal way of describing things in the target language you're welcome to fix that.
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21:25:47bluebrothertranslations are contributed, and I have no way to verify if the translations make sense (except for the languages I speak obviously ;-)
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21:26:04jlbiasiniwell it's mostly ok, it's just me playing the smart guy :D
21:27:09bluebrotherto be honest I'm not really satisfied with the german translation even if I did it myself. But if you're looking at a GUI in english all the time it can become quite hard to translate that in a good way :)
21:27:23jlbiasinibut I had the ts file from yesterday and now I'm in a merge trouble. I should figure it out but it will take some time
21:27:54bluebrothermerge trouble? Because I ran lupdate on it?
21:28:07jlbiasiniganz genau!
21:28:13jlbiasini:D
21:28:16bluebrotheroh, that's actually pretty easy
21:28:49bluebrotherdrop the changes done in my commit and replace it with your version. Then run lupdate rbutilqt.pro
21:29:05bluebrotherthat will update the translation source files while keeping the existing translations
21:29:17bluebrotheror better, run lupdate -noobsolete rbutilqt.pro
21:29:25jlbiasiniok
21:29:34bluebrother(that's what I did)
21:29:48jlbiasiniwhat is lupdate??
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21:33:38bluebrotherit's a tool that syncs the ts file with the strings in the code.
21:33:51jlbiasiniah ok
21:33:52bluebrotherit's part of Qt
21:34:06bluebrother(might be called lupdate-qt4 depending on your distro / installation)
21:34:24bluebrother(pretty much the same as distros do with qmake vs qmake-qt4 etc)
21:34:45jlbiasinino it was lupdate (debian 64)
21:34:59bluebrotherhttp://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/linguist-manager.html#lupdate
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21:35:48bluebrotherI sometimes run it and commit all updated translation files even if the translation itself isn't updated −− helps if someone wants to update a translation and can't / forgets to run lupdate first.
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21:47:52saratogadfkt: how were you accidentally hitting the pitch screen?
21:48:00saratogai don't think i've had that happen, at least not on the clip+
21:50:45dfktby sticking it in my jeans front pocket ;)
21:51:18dfktaccidental play/pause or track skip is no biggie, but fixing pitch changes and getting out of the pitch screen is really annoying
21:51:44dfktit's more of an issue with the zip than the clip+ though
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21:53:56blackersdo you know why i have a poor transfer rate? i transfer @600Ko/s, i have an iPod 5th gen
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21:54:31saratogadfkt: so its the play button getting pressed by accident?
21:54:56dfktsaratoga, yes - a long press on the play button is IMO a really poor place for such a niche feature
21:55:15saratogawell most other buttons would be just as easy to hit right?
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21:55:53dfktyeah, but no other functions in the wps screen are that hard to get out of as the pitch screen
21:57:01dfkti'm not sure if/where other ports have the pitch screen?
21:57:14dfkton my x5 a long press on play/pause stops playback
21:57:35jlbiasinibluebrother: here we go g#124 but check I merge it correctly because I'm not really sure
21:57:35saratogawe could make select exit the pitch screen
21:57:36fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #124 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,124 : Rockbox Utility: update french translation by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/24/124/1)
21:57:38saratogai think its unused now
21:58:16saratoga"Select Reset pitch and speed to 100%."
21:58:19saratogaso i guess not
21:58:28dfktnow it's power, iirc - the other issue is that you often have to fix pitch and/or speed before exiting the pitch screen
21:58:39saratoga"reset and quit" would be an option for select, but that might be really confusing for people
21:58:49saratogawe could also swap power and select
21:59:00dfkti'd love to just have the pitch screen optional - enabled or disabled in the menu
21:59:12dfktthen the keymap could stay as it is, and whoever uses pitch is still happy
21:59:22saratogai'd be ok with that, but i also think the keymap should be improved
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21:59:35saratogai don't know what other people think though
21:59:51dfktother than the return-to-wps improvements i think the keymap works very well
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22:00:03saratogathe radio screen and keyboard keymaps are weird
22:00:12saratogathe keyboard one in particular is really really weird
22:00:28dfktthat's true - i gave up naming presets on the player :p
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22:00:45saratogaits something like short press to select, long press to quit, so you have to actually sort of insert a charcter and thne hold it down and that saves it
22:00:56dfktthe fm keymap was made by me back in the days... but it sure could be better
22:01:04saratogaha didn't realize that
22:01:15dfktfunman tricked me into it ;)
22:01:19saratogai assumed it was copy and pasted from the original sansas
22:01:37saratogai do like that comment in the keymap "copied from c200, fix later"
22:02:00dfkti guess that is wrong then
22:02:12saratogaoh i don't remember what part of the keymap
22:02:21saratogaor if its even right, may not be related to anything we're talking about
22:02:33kugelsaratoga: but guess what happens if someone copied the keymap file that was copied from the c200 (and so forth) :)
22:03:15saratogai'm sure it was copied from the e200
22:03:19saratogawhich probably started out as an iriver
22:03:29dfkti'm trying the clip zip fm screen at the moment (never actually used it) - seems fairly straightforward to me, what the center and down buttons do
22:03:30kugelI found keymaps are pretty uncontroversial until the target is promoted stable
22:03:50saratogathe sansas are weird since so many people use them
22:04:02saratogausually new ports don't get a lot of attention right away like they did
22:04:04dfktusing the home button to switch between scanning and preset is a bit off though - that could be used for the quickscreen, same as in the wps
22:04:13kugeloften people are afraid of changing keymaps that are just that way in order to have it compile ;)
22:04:21saratogaquick screen is the one with "shuffle" and "repeat"?
22:04:25saratogain the WPS that is
22:04:25dfktyeah
22:04:31dfktand whatever you put there
22:04:46saratogaugh and select doesn't quit the quickscreen
22:05:05kugelsaratoga: normally the button that enters it quits it too
22:05:12saratogaPress Long Home to access it and Select to exit.
22:05:15dfktshuffle/repeat makes no sense for fm, but bass/treble/crossfeed/etc quick access sure would
22:05:16saratogathat doesn't work for me
22:05:33dfktin the wps?
22:05:49saratogayeah
22:05:53saratogai hold home and it enters
22:05:55dfktshort home exits quickscreen, which is much more logical
22:06:04saratogabut select does not exit it like the manual says, only home does that
22:06:07dfktguess the manual is more complicated ;)
22:06:17saratogaperhaps both should exit?
22:06:47saratogawe should start a wiki of Sansa keymap weirdness
22:06:57dfktwouldn't hurt to have it redundant
22:07:01dfkthah
22:08:06saratogaanyone care if I just fix this right now to match what the manual says? or do i have to ask
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22:08:22dfktjust don't take the short home press away please :)
22:08:45dfktor maybe better to adjust the manual?
22:09:19saratogathe keymap actually defines both home and power to quit it, neither of which the manual mentions :)
22:09:30dfktheh
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22:09:34saratogai could add select (currently does nothing for some reason) and leave the others
22:09:47saratogai think having select not do anything in a menu is really weird actually
22:10:03saratogawell i guess its a "screen" but it functions like a menu
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22:11:52saratogakugel: (i think i haven't asked you already) did you have an opinion on FS #12288 ?
22:12:08saratogai think all the other AMS developers were in favor
22:12:23kugelno
22:12:24kugel:)
22:12:30kugel(I have no opinion)
22:12:38saratogaok then as far as I am concerned its agreed on
22:13:00saratogayou think its worth sending an email to the list reminding people that i've been asking about this for weeks or should i just do it
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22:13:37kugelnot sure
22:13:51kugeldifficult to tell for a target that went stable within a few weeks
22:14:02saratogaits for all clips, not just the zip
22:14:05saratogathey all use the same keymap
22:14:14dfktoh, seems i was a bit too late with FS #12596
22:14:23dfktdidn't see FS #12288 before
22:15:10kugelah ok
22:15:16kugelwhat did HOME do before?
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22:15:35dfkthome returns to main menu
22:15:47saratogakugel: it would return you to the file or radio menu
22:15:50kugelI think going to music/fm radio from the very main menu (and to the main menu from anywhere else) would make sense
22:16:33saratogakugel: (more info) http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,31572.0.html
22:16:45saratoga"Press \ActionStdQuickScreen{} to access it and \ActionQuickScreenExit{} to exit."
22:16:50saratogaugh this isn't going to be so easy to fix
22:17:34saratogaoh maybe not
22:17:42*kugel maintains that he has no opinion on the clip keymap
22:19:29saratogafair enough
22:21:03saratogais the manual built through configure?
22:21:16kugelsaratoga: fwiw, I *was* a AMS developer until the whole RaaA thing distracted me ;)
22:21:24saratogayeah i remember
22:21:30kugelso it's probably better to not count me in
22:21:42saratogai nominated you for SVN access so that you would work on AMS more :)
22:21:52kugelheh, which I did :)
22:23:17kugelsaratoga: and thanks for believing in me too :)
22:23:33saratogano problem
22:23:39saratogaah its "make manual"
22:24:31kugelah right the manual should reflect the change
22:24:57saratogaright now i'm just trying to fix the keymap for the quckscreen in the manual
22:25:14saratogaalthough i guess i could do all of this at once as sort of keymap + manual fix
22:25:37saratogaor use git's new thing to do it as several commits
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22:31:51saratogaso i do a "git add" of the manual file I changed, then do a commit and it locally commits my changes until i push them?
22:32:26kugelyes
22:32:35kugelgit commit -v shows the diff it's going to commit
22:34:31saratogais there a template for the commit window?
22:34:38saratogaor should I just describe like i do for SVN
22:35:39Bagdergit add -p is also nice if you just want to commit a part of the diff
22:36:45bertrikhm, I used git add so far only like I used to use svn add
22:36:58Bagderthey're not really the same
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22:39:13saratogawhats the command to revert a patch?
22:39:39Bagderdid you commit it?
22:39:49Bagderor just applied
22:40:15Bagderas 'git checkout [file]' is fine if you didn't commit it
22:40:27Bagderif you committed it, you want git reset
22:40:50Bagderthat's also why working in branches is a good idea
22:41:06Bagdersince you can just abandon one if you decide it was bad
22:41:17saratogai didn't commit it
22:41:19AlexPWe need svn-git, to use svn locally to work with a git repo :)
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22:42:24saratoganow that i've committed two patches locally, I just do "git push origin HEAD:master"?
22:42:33n1sthere are like 10 subtly different ways of doing everything and few people seem to grasp all the details
22:42:41saratogano its better this way so i learn what the hell git is doing
22:43:19n1ssaratoga: i just followed the steps in the UsingGit page and that worked for me
22:43:20bertriksaratoga, a git log before the push to verify things is usually a good idea
22:43:37Bagder"git log -p" is nice for the full patch view
22:44:06saratogahmm i noticed a typo in my commit
22:44:14Bagder"git commit −−amend"
22:44:28saratogahow does it know which commit gets amended?
22:44:37Bagderit only amends the last
22:44:47saratogahow do i amend the first?
22:45:13Bagderthen you create a new branch, and "cherry-pick" in the commits one by one and amend them as you pick them
22:45:33Bagder"cherry-pick" sucks in a commit from one branch into another
22:45:51saratogahow do i do that?
22:46:06saratogaoh hell how do i just revert everything and start over
22:46:14kugelAlexP: haha, what a bad idea :)
22:46:16jlbiasiniBagder: could I get developper permission on FS (I cannot even edit the task I open for now...)
22:46:41Bagder"git reset −−hard HEAD" I believe throws away all local commits
22:47:00bertrikor you could just commit your fix, interactive rebase and mark the fix as a fixup
22:47:04kugelno it throws all uncommitted stuff
22:47:18*bluebrother^ runs over to jlbiasini and steals a p from a word :)
22:47:18Bagderwith −−hard and HEAD?
22:47:23kugelyes
22:47:26saratogathat didn't seem to do anything
22:47:31bertrikHEAD^ perhaps?
22:47:45Bagderah yes, or ~[count] for the number to cut off
22:47:45kugelHEAD is the latest commit, local or not
22:47:59saratogaso how do i do HEAD-1
22:48:23kugel~, not -
22:48:26jlbiasini:D
22:48:27kugelor just HEAD^
22:48:36BagderHEAD^ is -1
22:49:44*n1s watches as more evidence in support of his point is presented :)
22:49:46kugeljlbiasini: you usually get FS permission when you're given push access
22:50:17*n1s also wonders if kugel is going to s/COMITTERS/PUSHERS
22:50:42bluebrother^kugel: we have given people developer permissions on FS without commit access in the past.
22:50:56kugelbluebrother^: really?
22:51:02*kugel wasn't aware
22:51:11*kugel also said usually to be on the safe side ;)
22:51:20Bagdern1s: I agree with you, but svn is like a kids toy compared to git being a real car, of course git allows a bazillion more ways to do things
22:51:40Bagderincluding many more ways to shoot yourself in the foot
22:52:08kugelsomeday git will be the shorthand for redundancy
22:52:20dfktgit is the scariest thing i've ever tried not getting frightened of
22:52:23saratogaalright going to try this
22:53:02bluebrother^so let the shooting begin!
22:53:04n1sBagder: yeah, i'm not saying it's bad, it's just way more complicated than svn for doing simple things
22:53:09bluebrother^oh wait, we already migrated :P
22:53:34Bagdern1s: yes, but not without benefits
22:53:44bluebrother^n1s: not really. You can do things you can't do with svn
22:53:47n1sand when you google for how to do something ther are always several different ways to do things that differ slightly
22:53:58bluebrother^apart from that, there's http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html
22:54:01saratoga"[remote rejected] HEAD -> master (you are not allowed to upload merges)"
22:54:06Bagderit took me a long while to adjust to git as well
22:54:16saratogai don't know what any of that means
22:54:33n1sbluebrother^: yes i know, that doesn't change that it's more complicated for simple things
22:54:54jlbiasiniI find git very exciting! I was just about to fully understand svn before we migrated. Git is clearly super powerfull if ones get enough patient to really learn how to use it
22:55:00bluebrother^saratoga: when you pull (and have local commits) you get a merge commit.
22:55:15bluebrother^but our configuration currently doesn't allow pushing such merge commits
22:55:23Bagdergit pull −−rebase
22:55:27bluebrother^use git pull −−rebase to avoid merge commits
22:55:35AlexPThey break something or other apparently :)
22:55:44CIA-44Commit f6e5ec4 in rockbox by 03Michael Giacomelli: Update the manual to include Home as a way of quitting the quicksreen on the Clip players. Leave Select in place since we'll add that next.
22:55:45CIA-44Commit 8125877 in rockbox by 03Michael Giacomelli: Enable leaving the quickscreen with Select as the manual currently states should be possible.
22:55:57saratogaYES
22:56:00BagderAlexP: not really, it is just a policy
22:56:23AlexPBagder: I thought they made history hard to follow or something?
22:56:26*Bagder hands saratoga his git certificate
22:56:40jlbiasini:D
22:56:53AlexPBagder: You can't get rid of it that easily
22:56:58BagderAlexP: some will argue that, sure, but it's like a religious issue in the git land
22:57:01*bluebrother^ throws http://tbaggery.com/2008/04/19/a-note-about-git-commit-messages.html in the channel
22:57:25AlexPBagder: ah, I just believe what I'm told in this area
22:57:52BagderI too usually use the rebase approach in most projects
22:58:11CIA-448125877 build result: All green
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23:07:38jlbiasiniIs it normal if mpio hd300 manual doesn't compile?
23:08:39saratogathe build server has an up to date compile
23:08:42saratogaso i assume it should compile
23:10:35jlbiasiniok I will start on some thing fresh and test that again
23:16:05jlbiasiniright it compiles
23:17:26jlbiasiniright I forgot a make clean
23:22:54saratoga"All settings are stored on the unit. However, Rockbox does not access the flash storage solely for the purpose of saving settings."
23:23:04saratogawhy is at the start of the "Main Menu" section
23:24:15saratogadoes the manual not include a section for the main menu keymap?
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