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#rockbox log for 2012-03-08

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00:33:14dfktdoes rockbox prioritize album art by format, eg. does bmp trump jpg - or is this handled differently?
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00:35:36saratogatheres a search order, but i don't remember what it is
00:35:42saratogai think its in the wiki somewhere
00:35:50dfkti'm digging around the source, but can't find it
00:36:05dfkti have seen the naming scheme priorities on the wiki, but not the formats
00:36:24gevaertsdfkt: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=apps/recorder/albumart.c;h=4cbabbc8ce70e9490b638058ff5694fe7dc8b3a6;hb=HEAD#l125
00:37:01dfktgevaerts, thanks... seems i have to revert that to support my lazy habits :)
00:37:39dfktalso funny that it's in apps/recorder
00:39:17saratogaso looks like "jpeg", "jpg", and then "bmp"
00:40:42dfktaah! actually, cover.bmp seems to be read before cover.jpg - means i can just wildly convert 600x600 jpegs to 120x120 bmps for the x5, and leave the originals in there as well
00:41:08dfkthmm, doesn't specifically say anything about ./cover.jpg, actually
00:42:40saratogalooking at the code i would have thought it tests them beginning with jpeg
00:42:53saratogaalthough its possible theres some special cases where that order isn't used
00:44:22gevaertsdfkt: IIRC resolution-named files trump everything
00:48:29dfktthanks, will try that, that's an easy fix with my batch resizer
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01:11:19dfktwtf, rockbox doesn't show any cover bmps with a size string in the name - i tried both, "cover120x120.bmp" as said in albumart.c, and "cover.120x120.bmp" (with dot before the size) as said in fs#10201
01:11:45dfktthe bmps display fine in the rockbox image viewer
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01:17:37dfkta regular "cover.bmp" name works fine too - seems there's something iffy with the resolution naming
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02:14:58saratogafrom what I've seen of Jason Taylor's posts on the mailing list
02:15:32saratogai wouldn't pay too much attention to him
02:15:44saratogahis grip on reality is somewhat tenuous
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06:30:26pixelmadfkt (for the logs): cover.120x120.bmp works fine for me and have for a long time when I set 120 for width and height in the %C line
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07:08:55Mirpixelma: thanks for the help the other day
07:09:07Miri am sorry i was an ass
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07:09:58Mirgot a question for you
07:10:11Mirdo you know how rockbox links album art to music?
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07:29:32saratogalooks for embedded art, then looks for files in the same folder and then other places
07:29:52pixelmawe have a nice manual and the AlbumArt page in our wiki (which is also linked from the manual)
07:34:30Mirahh
07:34:32Mirok
07:35:14Mirsaratoga: I WAS FIGURING IT WOULD DO THAT HENCE MY CONFUSION WHY IT WONT LOAD THE ALBUM ART THAT IS IN THE FOLER WITH THE MUSIC
07:35:19Miroh crap
07:35:24Mirsorry for yelling
07:35:42Mircat pressed the caps while i was cleaning my mouth
07:36:02Mirso i will look at the wiki tomorrow
07:36:04Mirthanks
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08:26:07*kugel has dynamic screen size and adapting cabbiev2 partly working
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10:25:26nick_pI was thinking of having a go at constraining apps/playlist.c get_next_dir() to global_settings.start_directory and below.
10:25:31nick_pIs there a reason/case that escapes me why this might not be a good idea?
10:29:10Zagorwhen is start_directory changed?
10:30:17nick_pZagor: the user selects where they want the browser to start from in the tree
10:30:53Zagoroh, this is not the "resume folder browser position" variable?
10:31:28Zagorin that case I have no objections
10:33:01nick_pI thought it might be useful if a user had directories of spoken word, music etc, and was using shortcuts to set the current "root", then let it roll through the directories below until reset
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11:25:17kugelnick_p: probably a good idea
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11:27:31nick_pkugel: thanks, hopefully I'll have something up for review at some point
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15:10:57idakHi there, I found a new plugin named "Picross" in Gerrit (g134).
15:11:16idakBut "Picross" is registered trademark in Japan. Is it OK for rockbox?
15:11:29gevaertshm
15:11:34gevaertsThat's a good point
15:11:54Zagoridak: is it the same thing?
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15:12:37passstabhttp://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=4003%3A1oug1k.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl~%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=picross&p_tagrepl~%3A=PARA2%24COMB&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query
15:13:48idakWhat does "is it the same thing?" mean?
15:15:26ZagorI wondered if it is the same game idea. but it looks like it is.
15:15:37gevaertsI'd say we stay away from that name
15:15:44idakMaybe yes.
15:15:52passstabthats not a big deal is it?
15:16:37idakAnd I should tell YOU a bad news. "sudoku" and "sokoban" are also registered in Japan...
15:18:06Zagordepending on local law, it's not even certain we *can* infringe trademark since we don't do trade
15:18:40Zagoralso, it is important to remember that trademarks are only protected in their registered categories. not for everything.
15:18:52idakhttp://www.sokoban.jp/
15:20:40passstabhttp://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4003:1oug1k.7.14
15:21:35Zagoridak: can you find out what categories that trademark covers? and if hobby projects can even infringe in japan
15:21:41Zagorpassstab: note: "NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "SUDOKU" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN"
15:22:07Zagorit is the design with a circle that is protected, not the word
15:22:35passstabcause of http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4003:1oug1k.7.49
15:26:09idakThose two are covered the electrical hobby (like TV game).
15:31:48ZagorI say we don't change anything until we get a complaint.
15:32:20gevaertsFor the existing ones I agree. For the picross game, changing it now has basically zero cost for us
15:33:07idakI see. I understand it.
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15:33:13Zagorgevaerts: sure, we can call it Nonogram
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15:36:23idakI'm sorry, those are needless info.
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15:39:00gevaertsidak: not useless. It's good to know these things
15:40:07gevaertsIt's just that changing names of existing plugins has a real cost too (updating the manual, all of the wiki, confusing users who can't find their favourite plugin anymore,...)
15:40:30gevaertsFor the picross one, those don't apply yet, so changing the name makes a lot more sense
15:41:58idak"Picross" is registered trademark of Nintendo in Japan...
15:42:44gevaertsYes, and we'll use a different name
15:43:35passstabthe name my mother uses for a simalar game is paint by numbers
15:43:46Tornenonogram is what i have heard as the generic name
15:44:02Tornepicross does indeed sound specifically like a reference to the nintendo version
15:45:05passstabhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonogram#Names
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17:08:46jlbiasinibluebrother: would you have some simple task for me on RockboxUtility? I would like to improve my c++ skill
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17:13:54jlbiasinin1s: I updated my patch to remove one useless define. By the way I don't understand how I could use some #ifndef to reduce my code size because in one case it has to be a choice between "high" and "normal" and in the other case a choice between a numeric value g123
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17:14:15jlbiasinior g#123
17:14:19jlbiasini?
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17:15:04jlbiasiniok no bot anymore? http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/123/
17:16:42jlbiasinin1s: arf it's been a while you adviced me to modify my patch in this direction, I don't know If you remember...
17:19:15n1sum, yeah i think i do, my point was that high and normal is really just a range of two values
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17:20:07jlbiasiniI don't know if people are going to like a setting between 1 or 2...
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17:21:01n1sbut i guess it doesn't matter much
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17:21:54jlbiasinithat people don't like it, or to set it as a range of 2 values?
17:22:00jlbiasini;)
17:22:15n1sit can use a custom formatter and look exactly as it does now but maybe that's not really any simpler
17:22:57jlbiasiniok
17:23:14n1sanyway, i don't really care :)
17:23:20jlbiasinilol
17:23:53jlbiasinino one seems! I didn't get one answer to my post on rockbox-dev
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17:24:58n1si don't have a fuze+ and i don't think may devs do and most people are unlikely to push target specific patches for targets they don't have
17:26:19jlbiasiniyeah but pamaury told me that setting stuff could be rather sensitive topic so that I should get idea from other dev before pushing it
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17:28:16jlbiasinipamaury: I guess you can push http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/123/ then
17:28:17n1sthe real question is if the setting makes sense, is there a need to a wider range than normal and high on the fuze+ and is there perhaps a need for a wider range on the beat f too and is it supported by the hardware
17:28:18n1s?
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17:28:47pamauryfor the beast I don't know but on the fuze+ I think it really makes sense
17:28:50jlbiasiniright
17:29:01pamauryand for future targets, that's potentially interesting too
17:29:19pamauryI'll review the patch and commit it if it's ok
17:29:26pamauryI need to test it too
17:29:50n1slot's of hardware supports setting lots of weird stuff that doesn't really make much sense to users still some people want to have everything as settings but we try to find a balance
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17:30:15jlbiasiniI tested it on rockboxui both fuze+ and gigabeat fx
17:32:13jlbiasinitouchpad sensitivity has been a major complain of the fuze+ from the early beginnig on sansa forum. It seems the way that people use the device and also pehraps from device to device can change a lot the usuability of it
17:33:28jlbiasiniso it's rather an important thing
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17:35:29jlbiasinipamaury: If you have time you might also have a look to the other fuze+ related little patch I made (g117, g125, g132)
17:36:16n1swell, then, if it does make sense, and it sounds like it does i'm all for it
17:38:08jlbiasini:)
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17:40:28jlbiasinibluebrother: anything new on http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/116/ ? now that RockboxUtility handle correctly the fuze+ even on windows, it would be nice to release the manual!
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18:20:20jlbiasinipamaury: anyone: is there a way to set the position of the LCD on the uisimulator's bitmap? I'm trying to set a new bitmap with button's name
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18:20:54pamauryyes, it's a define somewhere in uisimulator/ iirc
18:21:07jlbiasiniok
18:21:21jlbiasinithx I'll lookk for it
18:22:24jlbiasinihum actually I already had a look there and didn't find muh
18:24:50pamauryah yeah it moved
18:25:04pamauryit's firmware/target/hosted/sdl/sim-ui-defines.h
18:26:38jlbiasinicool! thx I've got it now! I'll commit a patch when it's ready
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20:52:39azhaghello
20:52:55passstabhi
20:53:07azhagmy crashed fuze discharged and works again
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20:53:23azhagonce again thanks for help
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21:43:34*bertrik wonders about the meaning of the return value of rtc_read_datetime
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21:52:23jhMikeShow silly is this? g174
21:52:25fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #174 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,174 : Play music or complex tones with square wave channel. by Michael Sevakis (changes/74/174/1)
21:53:56bertrikhm, we have some rather complex code in the as3514 rtc driver. It uses seconds since 1980 and a weird offset mechanism is in place to do it from 1970 too.
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21:56:00bertrikjhMikeS, does it work for a specific target, or for all?
21:56:11jhMikeSany target
21:56:21jhMikeSSWCODEC
21:56:35jhMikeS'cept gigabeat f which is doing some hw beep thing but that could work too
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21:57:32bertrikit's pretty silly, but I can see a use for it
21:57:39jhMikeSI didn't get too deep just off the bat
21:58:34bertriklike a windows-style USB connection/disconnection sound
21:59:49jhMikeSI did also think of playing small PCM clips for events
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22:00:51bertrika startup sound? :D
22:00:54*bertrik hides
22:01:19jhMikeS;-P
22:01:53bertrikperhaps we could re-use the existing talk mechanism for event sounds
22:02:05bertrikor do we do that already?
22:02:23jhMikeSno
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22:02:41saratogait plays them on the headphones?
22:03:30jhMikeSwhat does?
22:04:06jhMikeSthe patch just makes the beep able to play a series of different tones in the background
22:04:25saratogaah ok, thought you meant over the piezo
22:04:56jhMikeSdoes the piezo exist with the beep or exclusively?
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22:11:59jhMikeSsounds so apple ][
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22:58:15bertrikhow the mktime implementation in rockbox know what timezone +dst we are in?
22:58:27bertrikI suppose it assumes GMT+1
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23:07:56*bertrik is annoyed that the mkgmtime and gmtime implementations he has are not reciprocal
23:09:25n1si thing we're timezone agnostic, i.e. local time
23:09:29n1sthink
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23:34:37pamaurybertrik: the fuze+ too uses an offset from rtc using a persistent value since 1980, really weird
23:35:04pamauryI guess it's for DRM
23:35:47bertrikpamaury, those drivers basically re-implement mktime and gmtime but with 1980/1/1 as starting date, I'm reworking the as3514 rtc code now to just use mktime and gmtime
23:36:29bertrikand the adjustment value is to adjust from 1980 back to 1970 again, instead of the other way around :D
23:37:45pamauryon the fuze+ at least, there is a variable offset which has nothing to do with the 1970/1980, but I reimplemented mktime basically too
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23:38:58bertrikI think we can be more friendly to DRM in the OF, by storing an offset to RTC time instead of forcing a time directly into the RTC
23:40:14pamaurythat what I do for the fuze+, because that's what the OF does :)
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23:49:12bertrikpamaury, I'd like to update the driver to use gmtime/mktime, could you test it for me (sometime this weekend for example)?
23:49:21pamaurysure
23:49:34pamauryeven tomorrow if you want
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