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#rockbox log for 2012-03-13

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01:28:36Frank__L@saratoga nope, not yet
01:28:56Frank__Lhad trouble finding a profiling tool that works on both arm and debian wheezy
01:29:12Frank__Lwill look into it another time
01:29:20Frank__Lthx for our help
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03:17:26CIA-44Commit 595427c in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: (Author: Osborne Jacobs) Add new actions to %Tp (Touchscreen areas)
03:21:16CIA-44595427c build result: All green
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04:51:30OzzieJacksIf I want to submit a manual update that should be in the release do I have to push it to both v3.11 and master?
04:54:38JdGordonyes
04:54:41JdGordonwhats the update?
04:56:57OzzieJacksThe main one is for %cs addition I made previously but I noticed other small typos etc as I was looking through the manual that I wouldn't mind fixing
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04:57:30JdGordonI don't think we actually differentiate between release and nightly manuals so probably no need
04:58:23OzzieJacksAlso should I make changes to the wiki docs for changes that are in the nightlies but won't be in the release?
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05:10:34*[Saint] wonders how to fix the broken search (been broken for 10 years) on the Wiki
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05:15:18saratogawe actually do have separate release and build manuals, although i doubt many people use the release manuals
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07:38:59OzzieJacksAnyone want to merge a manual update for me http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/180 ?
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08:54:37CIA-44Commit 67b4b2a in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: (Author: Osborne Jacobs) Update manual for %cs and %T tags
08:57:50CIA-4467b4b2a build result: All green
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09:07:38kugelJdGordon: we do have seperate manuals
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09:39:00JdGordonkugel:how far have you got with raaa-resizing(?)
09:40:25kugelJdGordon: toggling the android statusbar and resizing the window in the sdlapp
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09:42:19kugeland modifying cabbiev2 320x480 to support lower resolutions (in the y-axis), e.g. 320x455
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09:50:46[Saint]that pretty much means "no backdrop" though, no?
09:51:25[Saint]or "invent some way for the skin engine to not bitch about backdrops being larger than the available display".
09:51:54kugeli added "backdrop larger than screensize" support
09:52:20[Saint]does it align to 0,0, or attempt to center it?
09:52:31kugel0,0
09:52:39[Saint]0.o
09:52:41[Saint]:)
09:52:54kugeldoesnt matter for the cabbiev2 one really
09:57:01[Saint]No, no it doesn't...but (in future) it would be nice to have a skin tag that specifies whether or not to center align or align at top left, top right, bottom left....etc.
09:57:25[Saint] /probably/ not hard to add, either.
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10:12:16JdGordonkugel: have you got a diff somewhere?
10:13:27JdGordon[Saint]: backdrop images are almost pointless once I add the tag to colour a rectangle, so that shouldnt be an issue
10:13:42JdGordonespecially with cabbie where its gradient+images
10:13:53*[Saint] rather highly disagrees with this.
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10:13:59pixelmait's not only a gradient
10:14:09[Saint]If you're thinking about cabbie, and cabbie alone...then, sure.
10:14:36[Saint]If you take into account that other authors might want to make multi-res skins also, notsomuch.
10:15:41kugelJdGordon: http://pastebin.com/DZW7Tnae
10:15:53JdGordonsure, but with anything that isnt gradient/solid colours scaling will look bad, and cropping will look equally bad
10:15:56JdGordonkugel: ta
10:16:17kugelI think non-trivial *and* multi-resolution backdrops are basically impossible
10:17:11[Saint]Not /really/, center alignment could look a lot better than 0,0 alignment depending on the backdrop.
10:17:18[Saint]the same could also be true in reverse.
10:17:25[Saint]It really depends on the image.
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10:17:34kugelyou cannot center align the skin code though
10:18:20[Saint]Yeah, but that kinda loops back to my statement from a few minutes ago that it would be nice to add a skin tag to attempt to center align the backdrop.
10:19:08JdGordonkugel: the changes in debug_menu.c which changes the preprocessor stuff should be remove and just use screens[i].lcd_height()
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10:20:41JdGordonI think we really need to do this (whatever "this" ends up being) in more than one step
10:20:56JdGordondo the apps/ stuff seperate to the firmare/ side
10:23:34kugelJdGordon: perhaps. but I need something to test the firmware changes with :p
10:25:13kugelJdGordon: the debug_menu.c changes is not from me, except the #ifdef ANDROID ones
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10:26:02JdGordonWe need to get rid of #if LCD_HEIGHT stuff, It doesnt give us much (other than pain)
10:26:09kugelI took the last patch from FS #11615
10:26:12fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 3Dynamic screen size (patches, new)
10:27:15lebellium_gs2Hello JdGordon, just read your reply to my bug. Waiting for the tricky fix :D
10:27:17kugelit removes #if LCD_HEIGHT mostly doesnt it?
10:29:05GodEater_is our skin tag language turing complete yet? :)
10:29:46JdGordonnot even close :)
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10:32:27JdGordonas far as the skin engine is concerend I think we need a mix of smart image loading, scaling, and cropping to have any hope of it being good
10:33:36kugelpercentage viewport positions would help
10:34:47JdGordonperhaps
10:37:03kugelI found using negative positions is rather limited. especially you cannot center with it. my modifications to 320x480 cabbie don't work in the x-axis
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10:39:22kugelbut it's sufficient to catch the reference resolution + smaller ones due action/status/task bars
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10:52:45[Saint]Can you append a commit message?
10:53:02[Saint]The commit message for 595427c is quite a bit wrong.
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10:53:45[Saint]I'm really not sure how one could add more actions to %Tp, as its a true/false case :)
10:54:00[Saint]it should be s/%Tp/%T/
10:54:42kugelwhat is %Tp anyway?
10:54:51[Saint]"Touch Present"
10:55:02[Saint]checking if its a touch capable target.
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10:55:28kugelalright. its not on CustomWPS apparently
10:55:47[Saint]Its not a *huge* deal, but, if someone wants to fix up the commit message it'd be cool.
10:56:00[Saint]kugel: there's quite a few that aren't.
10:56:13[Saint]There's also tags in CustomWPS that aren't in the manual.
10:56:22kugelwhich arent?
10:56:46[Saint]I can't think of them off the top of my head.
10:57:07[Saint]I went through them a while ago and gave AlexP a list of the ones I noticed, but I've noticed more since.
10:57:21[Saint]Its probably time for me to go through them again.
10:57:36kugelah there it is. I had case sensitive search turned on
10:57:43[Saint]It wouldn't surprise me if there were tags that aren't present in either the manual or CustomWPS
10:58:11[Saint]We should /probably/ scrap CustomWPS in favour of the manual.
10:58:25[Saint]The manual gets maintained, the wiki...notsomuch.
10:58:52kugelIIRC JdGordon maintains CustomWPS when adding tags and opens a bug ticket for the manual
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11:02:22pamaurybluebrother: pong
11:03:08[Saint]Skin variables aren't in the manual, that's one.
11:03:21[Saint](or three, depending how you look at it)
11:03:46[Saint]nor is %Tl
11:04:32[Saint]nor %ss
11:05:28[Saint]the %pb description neglects optional params
11:05:45[Saint]This is the reason I want to scrap CustomWPS
11:06:14[Saint]the manual is the "official user document", and its a bitch (obviously) maintaining both CustomWPS and the manual.
11:06:27[Saint]So, if one had to go, its an obvious choice which one.
11:07:00[Saint]%Rp is missing from the manual
11:07:07[Saint](recording hardware present)
11:10:05[Saint]the touchscreen areas "none" and "lock" are missing, and while the description specifies "%T(x,y,width,
11:10:06[Saint]height, action, [options])" it fails to clarfy what "options" are available.
11:10:45[Saint](eg. long_press, repeat_press)
11:12:53[Saint]So....who's for the idea of combining the two, and then scrapping CustomWPS? :)
11:13:13*[Saint] raises his hand
11:13:40*gevaerts isn't against this
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11:15:09[Saint]Its settled then! :P
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11:30:29wodzwhat are typical values of test_mem benchmark on our targets?
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11:39:05pamaurywodz: I think I wrote the values for the fuze+ on this channel long ago :)
11:39:53wodzit would be nice to collect this on wiki
11:41:46wodzchanging AHB freq from 100 to 133 MHz on rk27xx have linear effect on write and memset but only tiny on read and memcpy
11:42:55wodzand test_codec states it degrades system performance. This counter intuitive at best
11:44:11wodzfiddling with CAS and timing parameters of controller give +/- 5% change in test_codec but is almost unnoticeable in test_mem
11:45:09wodzis it possible that I hit cache performance boundary?
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12:44:59pamaurywodz: on the fuze+, read@150,write@450,memset@340,memcpy@160
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13:44:22wodzpamaury: how is this possible you have write 3x the read?
13:44:31pamaurydon't know
13:44:50wodzis it using stock test_mem?
13:46:00pamauryyes
13:46:57wodzon rk27xx I have read@100 write@50 memset@50 memcpy@49 running with arm:hclk:pclk 200:100:50
13:47:38wodzand read@105 write@66 memset@66 memcpy@52 running with 133:133:66
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19:14:05cliptestercan someone perhaps create a config file for recording on clip+ with the same quality as sansa OF?
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19:23:09funmanwhat is the #ifdef for ipod classic ?
19:23:20pamaurybertrik: ping
19:23:28bertrikgnip
19:23:46pamauryI tested your rtc patch and noticed no problem
19:24:14bertrikcool, thanks
19:24:28bertrikare there already other targets that use the same rtc driver (other than fuze+)?
19:24:56pamaurynot yet
19:25:25pamaurythere will be the x-fi2 and 3 but I've not yet reversed that part so I don't know how it works, it's probably similar anyway
19:25:43cliptesteris there any way i can suggest features or improvements, i can't code and create patches.
19:26:29pamauryI've made some progress on the x-fi2, I found out most of pins, I know how the touch screen work so I just need to write the driver for it
19:27:04bertrikpamaury, nice, I consider that the fun part of a port :D
19:27:05pamaurycliptester: recording on the clip+ is a usual concern, people have looked at it and haven't found a solution yet it seems
19:27:18pamaurybertrik: agree :)
19:27:49pamaurythere is also an accelerometer, if you want to play with it :)
19:28:22pamauryI've mostly reversed engineered the driver and I have the datasheet anyway, I'm sure we can do nice things with it
19:29:42pamaurybluebrother: ping
19:30:22bertrikpamaury, I'll push my RTC change for the imx233, ok?
19:30:33pamauryplease go on
19:31:01pamaurythe driver will be much more readable this way
19:31:35CIA-44Commit 47115ba in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: Convert IMX233 RTC driver (used in fuze+) to use mktime and gmtime
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19:33:31funmani just pushed #g181 (compile untested)
19:33:34fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #181 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,181 : USB nano2g/6g: try to fix USB problems by Rafaël Carré (changes/81/181/1)
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19:35:20bertrikhm, our build times are going up, I think we used to do build in 2 minutes
19:35:51saratogaare there still issues with ams recording, I thought jhmikes fixed them all recently when he reworked it
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19:37:26CIA-4447115ba build result: All green
19:37:44saratogaalso we should probably make the c200v2 stable i
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19:38:14saratogathe reason its unstable is because of the buffering related crashes that used to happen on low mem SWCODEC targets, but they're fixed now
19:38:31saratogausers have reported that the c200v2 works fine with the current build
19:39:01bertrikthere are at least two variants of the c200v2, I don't know if they both work
19:39:10saratogawhats different about them?
19:39:21bertrikbutton readout IIRC
19:39:36saratogai think we would have heard by now if some players didn't have working buttons
19:39:43saratogawe've been distributing the c200v2 builds for years now
19:40:28bertrikthere are two variants for sure
19:40:50saratogathe only problems i remember hearing about were related to the tiny (<200KB) audio buffer causing crashes, but those should be fixed, i think the current code works in the sim with a 100KB audio buffer just fine
19:41:02bertrikthere just aren't many people that have c200v2s
19:41:35saratogasure but if even one had a variant with no working buttons i'm sure they would have asked for help at some point
19:41:41bertrikIIRC, ranma has a c200v2 of a different variant
19:42:18saratogai'll email him
19:43:01saratogais there some way for him to check which variant he has?
19:43:02bertriklooking at the code now, it see that the variant matters for the backlight only
19:43:12bertrikthe variant is shown in the debug menu somewhere
19:43:47bertrikI suppose all the variant-related stuff has been fixed then
19:44:07saratogawell i emailed him anyway :)
19:44:31saratogaalso, another thing we should do is shrink the codec buffer on hard disk target so they get more RAM for the audio buffer
19:44:48saratoganothing needs the 1MB buffer now that we've changed tremor to crash rockbox on large album art :)
19:46:02saratogaand i'm sure people wouldn't mind an extra half MB of free RAM
19:48:38bertrikunless ranma_ has some objection, I'm fine with making c200v2 stable too, by the way :)
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19:49:00gevaertsAre we talking about 3.11 here?
19:49:11*bertrik isn't
19:49:13gevaertsok
19:49:48bertrikIt would perhaps be nice to push for the clip zip to be stable in 3.12
19:50:08*gevaerts nods
19:50:53funmanbertrik: manual still needs work
19:51:23funmaneven if we ignore the plugins screenshots, some images are missing
19:51:31bertrikI know, at least there is an svg of the front now, taking all those screenshots just seems like such a huge PITA to me
19:51:46funmanyeah it could be automated perhaps
19:52:06funmanrun plugin in sim, wait a few seconds, take screenshot
19:52:21gevaertsThere have been attempts to do this
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19:53:44bertrikand there are a few plugins left to be properly ported to the zip (only 3 or so IIRC)
19:54:36bertrikbrickmania and sudoku
19:55:10saratogaalso the cabbie theme hasn't been commited right?
19:55:16bertrikright
19:55:43saratogai think all that was left was to change the default fonts for the weird screen size right?
19:58:37saratogaheh the new Cortex M0 is claimed to do 4µW/MHz and have a single cycle 32 bit multiply, wonder if we'll ever see those in mp3 players
19:58:50saratogaor if they'll keep using the ARM9 forever
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20:03:11saratogano 32x32->64 multiply though, so probably not much fun to port our codecs too
20:03:49saratogaalthough if its really single cycle, then you could probably do a 32x32-> in software faster then teh arm7tdmi can do it in hardware :)
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20:08:25wodzThere are not M0 with external mem controller that I am aware of. M0 is targeted on small microcontrollers.
20:08:55wodzIt is hard to find M3 with external mem controller even.
20:10:08saratoganot even something like ams where theres 8MB of on-package ram?
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20:17:43wodznot for M0
20:17:59wodzM0 has a few kB
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20:47:22bluebrotherpamaury: pong
20:49:31funmanwodz: could you try g#181 ?
20:49:34fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #181 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,181 : USB nano2g/6g: try to fix USB problems by Rafaël Carré (changes/81/181/1)
20:50:00wodzfunman: yes, wait a minute
20:53:25*wodz building g181
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20:57:32wodzfunman: no go
20:58:55wodzbut at least it leaves usb mode correctly after unplug
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21:24:00lorenzo92kugel: sorry I did not have time to work on the git uploading of the patch, also because I had some problems too with the configuration perhaps
21:24:22lorenzo92kugel: do you plan to review it soon? :)
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21:57:18megal0maniacIs anyone here involved with development with the Fuze+?
21:57:30bertrikpamaury is
21:58:37megal0maniacHe is... idle
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21:59:00megal0maniacI meant anyone who is actively online
21:59:03megal0maniacright now
21:59:52gevaertsIn that case, no
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22:00:35bertrikgevaerts, what kind of attempts have there been for automatic plugin screenshotting?
22:00:54gevaertsbertrik: IIRC rasher once played with that, but it might have been someone else
22:02:14megal0maniacAnyone know anything about an audio debug screen? Not implemented yet, but it was something pamaury mentioned.
22:02:43ender`looks like rockbox's git isn't listening on ipv6: git.rockbox.org[0: 2a00:1a28:1200:9::2]: errno=Connection refused
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22:19:57Zagorender`: this appears to be an xinetd issue
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22:27:48Zagorender`: fixed now
22:27:57ender`thanks
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23:01:51pamauryit's not like if my last commit was two weeks ago...
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23:16:59bluebrotherhmpf. Seems like sh-elf-ar is triggering a failing buffer overflow check on 32bit linux. Doesn't seem to be the case on 64bit. And for some reason the change that fixed the binary with debug symbols doesn't fix it for the binary withoug :(
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23:37:34bluebrothernice, finally the compiler builds :)
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23:47:40ej0rgeI have a question that will sound stupid.
23:48:23ej0rgeI have an iriver h120 here, CF modded, rockbox flashed to the board, bootloader 7-pre4 as recommended on the cf mod page
23:49:39ej0rgeNoticing an issue with a semi-recent build of rockbox where the 2nd time i turn it on after a reset, it locks up at the logo screen
23:49:51ej0rgeHere's the stupid question: Should i update the bootloader to a current build?
23:50:01gevaertsdefinitely not
23:50:18gevaertsDon't touch the bootloader on the h120 unless you have to
23:50:23ej0rgebehavior seems the same regardless of whether the ram or rom image is booted
23:50:48gevaertsI suspect you're seeing FS #12590
23:50:49fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12590 3Dircache breaks when flashing rombox or rockbox on h1x0 (bugs, new)
23:51:41gevaertsSlasheri: is there an easy way to disable dircache persistence for 3.11?
23:51:52ej0rgegevaerts: ah
23:51:54gevaerts(or to fix the issue)
23:51:58ej0rgethanks
23:52:37gevaertsej0rge: if it's CF modded, you should be able to disable dircache without *too* serious effects
23:52:58ej0rgeright
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