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#rockbox log for 2012-03-14

00:05:18ej0rgeturning off dircache does sort it out. and yes, it shouldn't make much of a difference on CF
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00:14:28n1smeh, i wonder why people like to spread so much misinformation about our tremor codec
00:14:48n1syeah it has problems but those are mostly inherited from upstream Tremor
00:15:07n1sand it doesn't crash on files with too large AA it just skips them
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00:26:55ej0rgenow if i can just remember my flyspray login . .
00:32:39ej0rgealright, comments added. thanks again.
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00:40:00ej0rgemy experience differed in that i was able to reproduce the issue when booting from disk
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00:48:32Ray039im having issues getting the rockbox utility to load the theme choices. It keeps on saying network error and my network is fine, firewall is not interfering with it any clue on what is going on
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00:51:10ej0rgeRay039: I noticed that as well when i was loading my clipzip. what device are you loading themes for?
00:51:22Ray039clipzip too
00:52:57ej0rgeI also got an error trying to load fonts
00:53:26Ray039same here 404 http error
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00:53:27ej0rgeI attributed it to the clipzip being a fairly recent target and didn't worry much about it. But, That's all i have to add to the discussion.
00:53:43ej0rgebecause i am just another user
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01:49:50saratogan1s: the current work arounds for tremor's page handling work on a subset of files, but not on others: FS #12563
01:49:51fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12563 3.ogg file won't play (bugs, unconfirmed)
01:50:32saratogaoh you said crash, not skip, nevermind
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03:40:17yepsIs there an easy way to get rockbox to ignore battery voltage as far as forcing shutdowns goes?
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04:03:47JdGordonyeps: depends if you consider modifying the code to remove the check and rebuilding easy or not
04:04:16yepsI'd say no seeing as I don't know how to do that
04:04:33yepsnot sure if I could talk someone here into doing it or not, seeing as the place is dead I'd say no
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04:31:21yepswell poo, I've got to dig out the battery board thing out from under all of this hot glue and get the one from the old battery out from under it's tape and swap them
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04:35:38yepsuh
04:36:04yepsif I've got a li-ion battery at 4.8v, shouldn't it be at least a bit hot if not making a big mess?
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04:42:25yepsyeah my voltmeter is broke nevermind
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05:14:59bakdafukup_2002is anyone available for some help please?
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05:59:03funmanCan't tell before you tell what the problem is, please just speak
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07:54:43wodzfunman: Ping me if you craft another thing to test on nano2g. Anyway I thought n2g is more widespread and it would be easy to find more testers.
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09:28:03[Saint]ej0rge: the 404 error isn't device specific, its just plain broken. Things break.
09:28:39Zagor"So Rockbox's TimeStretch appears not to work on today's daily build." −− http://twitter.com/Brandon_h/status/179715915867365377
09:28:47[Saint]You're free to download the font pack and themes manually via the website, though.
09:28:50[Saint]ej0rge: ^
09:29:59[Saint]Zagor: Are we taking bug reports via Twitter feed now? ;)
09:30:19[Saint](btw, do you regularly scour Twitter for "Rockbox" or so?)
09:30:42Zagoryes I do
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10:19:47*[Saint] wonders why he is getting review requests
10:20:47[Saint]I mean, its not a /bad/ thing...just curious.
10:21:27[Saint]I doubt I'll have much to offer, nor time to offer it, but..."Yay for being included!" :)
10:23:02nick_p[Saint]: Did you subscribe to the rockbox-dev ML?
10:23:27[Saint]Oh yeah, sure.
10:23:42[Saint]But, this is the first review request I've *ever* gotten.
10:25:12nick_pI was just following http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit#Uploading_a_change_for_review_and_testing - I thought the ML would reach more interested parties than IRC
10:25:35[Saint]Ohhhhh.....right.
10:25:45[Saint]That'll learn me to read too quickly.
10:26:17[Saint]I totally imagined a completely different "from" address.
10:26:40[Saint]The subject had me assume it was sent via gerrit.
10:27:28wodzmortalis: ping
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10:28:34[Saint]nick_p: fwiw, I think that's totally sane. I'm actually kinda surprised it didn't already have this behaviour (but not too surprised as its a bit of an edge case).
10:28:53*[Saint] will write something to that effect on the ML later this eve.
10:30:19nick_p[Saint]: Thanks, I thought so too. It was while putting together a build for my Mum that the subject came up :)
10:30:38[Saint]Mums know best :)
10:32:14wodzWomen are best in finding bugs :-) My wife hit 3 bugs in 10 minutes of toying with rb'ed nano2g.
10:32:48[Saint]Ms [Saint] is also very astute at finding bugs.
10:33:05*gevaerts hasn't commented on that patch yet because he hasn't decided yet whether he likes it or not
10:33:18mortaliswodz: pong
10:34:42[Saint]gevaerts: It occured to me that you might want to set a start directory as one you frequently navigate to, and not the "topmost media directory", but I believe that's rather an edge case <highly subjective>.
10:35:02gevaertsYes, that's the thing
10:35:11gevaertsI don't know what people use "start directory" for
10:35:39wodzmortalis: Could you bench sd on hifi's?
10:35:39[Saint]Like we need another setting...but, I suppose this could be turned on/off (default off?)?
10:35:50nick_pWouldn't a shortcut be best for a frequent rather than topmost dir though?
10:36:02[Saint]nick_p: probably, yes.
10:36:32[Saint]But this isn't Apple, we don't do the "you're holding it wrong" thing :)
10:37:08JdGordonI'd probably agreee with the patch, but "start file browser here" isnt bloody working on raaa so meh
10:37:29[Saint]I seem to recall kugel got that working.
10:37:38[Saint]He probably just never submited it.
10:37:54mortaliswodz: I need to build some plugin for that, right?
10:38:22gevaertsI like the basic idea, but I'm thinking maybe it needs an extra setting to enable it, but then I'm thinking about number of settings, and then I'm confused and I don't know what to think anymore
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10:38:48wodzmortalis: Yes. It is a bit ackward to do but basically you need to make /path/to/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/test_disk.rock
10:38:49JdGordonit depends on really why people are using the "sart filebrowser here" setting
10:39:17wodzmortalis: You need to select advanced option in configure and then test plugins
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10:39:42JdGordonI'm very much tihnking that linking the two settings would not be obvious
10:40:04z180http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2007-September/000464.html
10:40:26*gevaerts nods
10:40:28wodzmortalis: then copy produced .rock to .rockbox/rocks/app or something on DAP's sd
10:41:09gevaertsI'd say another setting, either "constrain autochange to start directory", or just another directory setting
10:41:12[Saint]JdGordon: well..that's very much down to the naming and positioning of the setting.
10:41:24JdGordon[Saint]: maybe so
10:41:38JdGordonI'm not necessarily saying a new setting should be added
10:41:51nick_pI have two config files, one for spoken word, one for music. Each is selected from a shortcut and has a seperate "start directory" value.
10:42:06JdGordonprobably the best fix for this use case is making auto-change-dir work in the database
10:42:09nick_pIt sruck me that if I'm actively assigning a start directory, that would be where I wanted chosen directories to be drawn from
10:42:10[Saint]I kinda think it needs to be now that I'm not certain who's using 'Start Directory" for what.
10:42:21[Saint]I don't want to break anyones use behaviour.
10:43:05wodzmortalis: I have also bunch of ideas for rk27xx (partially tested on my generic DAP). How can I reach you to test this on hifi's?
10:43:40[Saint]So, "Boo...another setting", but "Yay, flexibility and sane behaviour"...the universe balanes out :)
10:44:41*[Saint] hops kugel sees the logs about the RaaA "Start Directory" thing, as I'm /fairly/ certain I recall him saying he'd done the work for this.
10:45:34JdGordonnick_p: you've got trailing whitespace (which gerrit happens to make nice and obvious)
10:45:51JdGordonotherwsie I'm going to refrain from commenting as i don't have an opinion either way
10:46:25nick_pJdGordon: Thanks. Damnit, I thought I checked for that.
10:47:00*JdGordon goes back to grumbling about fs#12606 and how to fix it
10:47:01fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12606 3UI Viewport disappears when the player skips to the next track (bugs, unconfirmed)
10:47:31*gevaerts adds his comments and leaves this to nick_p
10:48:31*JdGordon has a few different hacky ways to fix this and doesnt know which is the least bad
10:49:30JdGordonThe problem is: the skin engine will do a full screen reset and start updaing the skined parts as normal. in most screens whoever the code is stuck in a action_get(BLOCK) and wont do a redraw of the ui viewport unless it has to
10:50:04JdGordonso i need to somehow make all screens either redraw automaticaly (with a callback registered on the skin engine :/ ) or have each screen check it it needs to do a redraw
10:50:32JdGordonI can do the later by adding a BUTTON_FORCE_REDRAW which will then turn into ACTION_REDRAW which should mostly just work, but thats crap
10:51:04gevaertssounds like a nasty problem :\
10:51:05JdGordonor i can get action_get() chck the sbs to see if it needs a redraw and then return ACTION_REDRAW, but i dont really like action.c caring about the skin engine
10:52:22mortaliswodz: You could say me here what you want to test. When I have some time I'll test and report results to you.
10:53:14wodzmortalis: I am at work now (unfortunately). I'll try to prepare some patches later today.
10:55:05*JdGordon thinks the last option is the least bad
10:57:51JdGordonexcept that will be wrong later if/when the recording screen ever gets skined
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11:03:42JdGordonanother possibility is actually registering the list* in the curren skin and never have to worry about drawing it yourself, though this will only work if the list is the whole ui
11:03:53JdGordoni.e it ownt work for the t&d screen
11:04:41JdGordonalthouh that updates the rest of the screen manually anyway, so perhaps its not an issue
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11:07:59gevaertsJdGordon: What does "this will only work if the list is the whole ui" mean exactly? Does "list is the whole ui" mean things like the main menu that's thought of as a list but can have active touch areas?
11:08:32JdGordonpretty much
11:09:03JdGordonthe issue is that the *list* isnt redrawn after the skin engine clears the screen
11:09:09JdGordonthe rest of the ui which the skin draws works fine
11:09:40gevaertsI'd say as long as you can still get a list to draw if the screen isn't entirely skinned (like t&d), drawing the list automagically from the rest of the skin on fully-skinned screens is fine
11:10:16JdGordon*cough* this would work fine if we got rid of the "legacy" list drawing code :D
11:10:23gevaertsah, right
11:10:39gevaertsOr does that redraw too often then?
11:10:46JdGordonyes :)
11:10:59gevaertsI know skin redraws aren't insanely expensive, but we should still be a bit careful I think
11:12:05JdGordonthere is another possible fix which might be worth attempting
11:12:33JdGordoninstead of clearing the whole screen, copy out the ui viewport to a seperate buffer, do the first redraw, then copy the old image back
11:13:11JdGordonassuming we can get the plugin buffer this should work :)
11:13:17JdGordonEHACK
11:13:42gevaertsThat sounds ugly
11:13:50JdGordonthat would of course make some really wierd affects if the AA is on the backdrop and it changes
11:13:57JdGordonoh of course its ugly :)
11:14:05*JdGordon does want to do splashes like that though
11:14:29gevaertsSplashes are different I think :)
11:15:38gevaertsCan you set a flag when the screen is cleared and then on the next redraw redraw the list as well from the skin code, but leaving normal redraws as they are now?
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11:16:34JdGordonyes, that still requires every screen check that flag
11:16:41JdGordonbut thats not a horrible solution
11:26:32JdGordonwell, that almost works, though the place I've put it means there is still one timeout gap before the redraw
11:36:22JdGordonyuck, got it down to a very obvious screen flicker
11:36:49JdGordonI tihnk a callback is going to be required here so the list update happens before the lcd_update() call
11:45:34JdGordonwhen are the callbacks for events called? when the actual send_event() is called, or on some other thread?
11:46:02JdGordoncode says immediatly :)
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12:02:55z180what do you think of the cut down lisp?
12:03:51wodzz180: why not :-)
12:04:15JdGordonbecause anything involving lisp is evil and offtopic!
12:04:39wodzsure, skin lang is paramount :-)
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12:07:09z180someone talked here about using lua for skins sometime ago ,I remembered a smaller language
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12:14:47wodzmortalis: can you pastebin full results?
12:17:44JdGordongevaerts: what do you tinhk of g#183 ?
12:17:45fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #183 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,183 : Initial fix for FS #12606 by Jonathan Gordon (changes/83/183/1)
12:17:59JdGordonaww, fs-bluebot didnt trigger itself :p
12:18:35mortaliswodz: http://pastebin.com/nZFuKH2u
12:19:37wodzmortalis: thanks
12:20:26gevaertsJdGordon: that looks reasonably sane
12:21:29JdGordonIt wont work in the slim case where the next track event comes in when that button loop isnt waiting on the action though
12:21:33JdGordonis that possible?
12:21:54gevaertshm
12:22:35gevaertsThey should be queued I'd expect
12:22:48JdGordon"they"?
12:24:11gevaertsThose next track events
12:24:33gevaertsSo they shouldn't be lost
12:24:43gevaertsI think
12:24:46JdGordonthey are sent my the playback thread, so it cant happen while the ui is working
12:24:58JdGordonand no, if they get queued then there will be a screen flicker
12:25:06*JdGordon attempts to move that callback into the list code
12:28:46JdGordonhmm, yeah, that is a tiny bit nicer
12:29:42mortaliswodz: some people report that hi res files plays with pauses, wich they don't have in OF. Higher class sd card solves the problem, so seems reading in rb slower than in OF
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12:32:54JdGordongevaerts: mind having another look? I've updated the patch to be slightly easier to deal with
12:33:01JdGordonso all lists automagically work
12:37:35wodzmortalis: I know about it. I can't the origin of the problem though
12:37:43wodz*find
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12:40:35gevaertsJdGordon: whitespace change in menu.c!
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12:43:32JdGordonyeah, apart from that
12:44:30gevaertsI don't understand the related code well enough to just see if it will work well, but it looks clean enough
12:44:40*JdGordon is tempted to say there is little point fixing the quickscreen for this
12:44:55JdGordonif you're in the quickscreen you're likely pressing buttons fast enough to cause redraws to happen manually anyway
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12:54:38CIA-44Commit cb9bc3b in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: Fix FS #12606 - next track can cause the screen to be cleared
12:57:41CIA-44cb9bc3b build result: 23 errors, 5 warnings (Jonathan Gordon committed)
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12:57:48GuwwwrHI
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12:58:05Guwwwranybody there? i need help my clip+ is killed
12:58:31Guwwwr:-X
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12:58:57evilnickkilled how?
12:59:32Guwwwrok so yesterday i think i left my sansa frozen
12:59:43Guwwwrand i connected it to pc by usb cable
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13:00:08Guwwwrthen it got destroyed
13:00:22Guwwwrthere is black screen
13:00:32Guwwwrno response when power button used
13:00:49*[Saint] wants to be the first to point out that info is surely left out here, as plugging USB along definitely didn't "kill" the device.
13:00:59evilnickHave you tried holding power down for about 30 seconds or longer?
13:01:02Guwwwrit did
13:01:03[Saint]s/along/alone/
13:01:14Guwwwryes i tried, i used that several times but now it doesnt work
13:01:55Guwwwroh. i forgot one thing.. i connected it to usb when usb power (on computer) was disconnected
13:02:05Guwwwrmaybe that killed it i dont know
13:02:22Guwwwrbut anyway, now when i connect it to pc, it is shown as 30MB
13:02:35evilnickWhich is the recovery partition, I think
13:02:37[Saint]Nah, there's just no way it could. Unless the unit was faulty anyway, and then *anything* could "kill" it.
13:02:40Guwwwrand windows says it needs formatting but it cant format it
13:03:16GuwwwrSaint, yes it could. if no, what killed it? it worked before plugginh
13:03:42Guwwwranyway, im on linux now and try to use that http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
13:03:52[Saint]Guwwwr: You didn't read my full statement apparently. The hardware could be faulty.
13:04:22[Saint]If plugging USB could brick a device, then Rockbox would be essentially useless :)
13:04:49Guwwwri think it is because USB power on computer was disconnected, but usb port was connected
13:05:32[Saint]That would do a grand total of nothing.
13:06:19[Saint]It sounds to me that "left it in a frozen state" is the more likely candidate here, and USB is entirely unrelated.
13:06:23Guwwwrno it did, i have seen screen working just before i connected it, i did saw a rockbox logo (it was frozen)
13:06:30Guwwwrmaybe you right
13:07:03Guwwwranyway, rockbox is frozing my sansa pretty often, but before i was resetting it instantly
13:07:47Guwwwrbut what do now? i have it dissasembled (open), red cable from battery is cut
13:08:02Guwwwrim trying to use "recovery mode"
13:08:35Guwwwri did write sansa bin image into disk in linux, it completed but sansa still doesnt work
13:09:05GuwwwrHELP =-O
13:09:14evilnickTry disconnecting it from USB
13:09:21Guwwwrit is disconnected now
13:09:32evilnickThen hold down the power button for a loooooong time (which should trigger the hardware power off)
13:09:41[Saint]Its rather unfortunate you took those steps before asking for advice. If it was already exposing the 30MB partition the first thing to try would've been simply DD'ing a Rockbox modified OF to the partition.
13:09:55[Saint]evilnick: power is definitely off.
13:09:58[Saint]He cut the battery.
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13:10:15Guwwwrto be correct, i cut it accidentially xD
13:10:25evilnickAh right
13:10:42Guwwwri did try other fings like SD card formatter, windows formatter, rockbox installer etc.
13:10:45Guwwwrnone worked
13:11:12[Saint]Now would I expect them to.
13:11:31[Saint]"formatting the device" is generally the last thing you want to do.
13:11:45Guwwwrit nothing changed
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13:12:04evilnickCan the battery wire be reconnected?
13:12:49Guwwwri can hold it where it should be
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13:13:51Guwwwrdamn
13:13:51[Saint]The options at this stage are as the wiki states, but it should be noted that its very, very far from an exact science.
13:14:10Guwwwranother battery cable got cutted
13:14:42Guwwwrbut before, i connected that one cable and used power button - no response
13:15:18[Saint]Basically, you need to convince it to expose the firmware partition, and DD a Rockbox modified OF to it, reconnect the battery, reboot, and pray.
13:15:51[Saint]the OF is likely toast if any of the format operations actually succeeded.
13:15:53Guwwwrhmm rockbox modified OF ? i was trying to put original sansa firmware
13:16:04[Saint]Yeah, see above.
13:16:25Guwwwrbut i need recovery mode ? right?
13:17:15Guwwwrhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
13:17:58[Saint]Yes, which is approximately ~900MB
13:18:17[Saint]None of us know what the ~30MB partiton actually does afaik.
13:18:50Guwwwrdamn, i writed sansa firmware to it i think.. hope it didnt write actually,
13:19:05Guwwwror maybe it is normal partition but reported with wrong size point etc
13:19:16Guwwwrbut ill try recovery mode to get 900mb
13:19:58[Saint]keep in mind I'm going from memory here, but iirc, its around 900MB
13:20:06[Saint](~970MB or so)
13:20:12evilnickYes, it's on the wiki page
13:20:45Guwwwrcan knife be used to connect that pins ?
13:21:16Guwwwri mean, does knife transmit eletric power
13:21:28[Saint]Anything conductive that fits.
13:21:37[Saint]tweezers work well.
13:23:00Guwwwr(third, last cable got cut..)
13:24:21[Saint]The reason I say to DD a Rockbox modified OF to the firmware partition is that for the OF to function correctly it relies on additional info in that partition not being toasted (trashed), and the only way to get that is from a fully working device, and doing this procedure to dump it.
13:24:35[Saint]So the best bet is to attempt to just boot Rockbox from the beginning.
13:24:58Guwwwrbut where to get modified OF
13:25:31[Saint]checking out mkamsboot from our repository and generating it yourself.
13:26:20[Saint]There's also a chance you have one sitting around in your RBUtil temp folder, but its better to generate a new one to make sure.
13:26:49Guwwwrit shows 32MB all the time recovery mode dont work
13:27:22Guwwwrit cost me 33$ for sansa
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13:28:31lovetruthhello!... :)
13:28:42[Saint]It is, indeed, very difficult to do this without having three hands. The pins need to be shorted for the entire time during USB insertion, and for some small amount afterward.
13:29:04[Saint]If the pins disconnect during USB plug, you have to start again.
13:29:08Guwwwri use one hand for usb cable, second for pins
13:30:36lovetruthi have a serioux s51 and i was wondering if anyone here had any experience about installing rockbox on some seroiux device... :)
13:30:46lovetruthserioux* :)
13:30:57wodzlovetruth: we don't support this
13:31:09[Saint]lovetruth: No, because Rockbox doesn't support that device.
13:31:24lovetruthi've been searching on rockbox site and i saw that serioux is not there... :)
13:31:28wodzlovetruth: I mean rockbox works *only* on devices listed on frontpage
13:31:53lovetruthwhat i mean is : how can i set a request for it
13:32:02[Saint]You can't.
13:32:11lovetruthand if anyone had any experience using rockbox on something like that...
13:32:20[Saint]If you're interested in it, you're the best person for the job.
13:32:20Torneports are done by dozens/hundreds of hours of work by people who have or are specifically interested in that device
13:32:24Tornewe don't do them for people
13:32:26lovetruthah, but the ones "in working" - how are they "in working" ?...
13:32:59Tornethe ones that work work because someone sat down and worked out enough information about that device, and implemented all the code to make it work
13:33:07Tornethis has to be done for every new device
13:33:12lovetruthi know some linux and i also did some programming some time ago (although i did quit doing that... :) )
13:33:52[Saint]Great, then, check out the NewPorts page and get started.
13:34:16lovetruthso - how much time you think might take to me doing this (totaly) myself, if i will do it?... :) aproximately?... (i was olympic at programming and pretty IQ... :) )
13:34:26[Saint]Point is, no existing developer is working on this device. Nor are they likely to.
13:34:29lovetruthmonths, weeks, or?... :)
13:34:37[Saint]hundreds and hundreds of hours.
13:34:53[Saint]for an experienced devoper.
13:34:57Guwwwrlovetruth, what languages were you programming
13:35:08lovetruthC++, pascal, assembler
13:35:11lovetruthsome scripting
13:35:19lovetruthi graduated Computer Science :)
13:35:57Guwwwrim not graduated, yet i earn money by programming
13:36:00lovetruthnow i am a technical manager at a newborn VOIP company...
13:36:14lovetruth:)
13:36:19[Saint]lovetruth: this is where all ports start - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort
13:36:39[Saint]yours (if you choose to) will be no exception.
13:37:23lovetruthwhat skils in electronics does this require?...
13:37:32[Saint]Read the page.
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13:40:34lovetruthgot it :)
13:40:38lebellium_gs2Thank you for the fix JdGordon. I try that tonight and let you know :)
13:41:24lovetruthpf, this can take some time :)
13:41:46[Saint]Well...we weren't joking.
13:41:48[Saint]:)
13:42:58lovetruthif only i would be lucky enough to have some alike pcb, etc, and do some modifications only to that project... :)
13:44:49Guwwwrfucking sansa not working going to but new
13:45:00Guwwwrbuy*
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13:45:43Guwwwrat least will have spare parts :/
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13:46:31lovetruthGuwwwr - you're a freelancer?... :)
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13:47:05lovetruthwhat site are you using?... :) vworker?..
13:47:12evilnickThis is getting offtopic now, guys
13:47:24Guwwwrodesk, best of all in my opinion
13:47:31lovetruthok, sorry, evilnick :)
13:47:59evilnickNo problem, it's just that this channel is logged for developers so we try to keep it strictly Rockbox only :)
13:49:01Guwwwrok, hope developers will read that frozen sansa got killed because was left frozen and plugged to usb..
13:49:35evilnickGuwwwr: That's incredibly unlikely to be the case. It might have more to do with randomly cutting battery wires :)
13:50:14Guwwwrno
13:50:23Guwwwrit got killed before i opened it
13:50:38Guwwwri got 30mb partition too before that
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13:51:26GodIsBlessinit's me :)
13:51:33Guwwwri see lovetruth [all4jesus@79.113.237.138]
13:52:04GodIsBlessinyes, i just got disconnected for a seccond :)
13:54:01Guwwwrim going to watch woman tennis
13:54:12Guwwwrexcept me back when i got sansa broken again
13:54:24wodzplease stay on topic guys
13:54:27Guwwwrexpect*
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14:11:27kugelJdGordon: did you consider not clearing the UI viewport?
14:12:16kugelnot sure if it's feasible, but I would think it's walking the viewports list (andclear each) instead of the whole screen ?
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14:17:14pamauryapparently the radio is broken on the e200, someone has a device to test ?
14:29:28bakdafukup_2002im having trouble i was wondering if anyone could help... Im trying to play tunes on my ipod that already has rockbox on it now all of a sudden it wont play any of the songs, i try to play the first tune and it just skips to the next one and sits at 0:00
14:30:37bakdafukup_2002it says loading rockbox .ipod failed, trying fallback image
14:30:47bakdafukup_2002when i try to restart it
14:33:33gevaertsbakdafukup_2002: try checking the filesystem
14:33:34[Saint]check your filesystem.
14:35:07bakdafukup_2002how would i go about doing that please?
14:36:02[Saint]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265
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14:41:53bakdafukup_2002ive done that and nothing happened
14:44:35[Saint]Is rockbox.ipod *present*?
14:45:26bakdafukup_2002now its tellimg me that their is no partition insert usb cable
14:45:29Tornealso, if it can't load rockbox.ipod how are you booting it to determine that playing music doesn't work?
14:45:52bakdafukup_2002im just telling you what its telling me when i first load it up
14:45:56bakdafukup_2002idk how
14:46:13Torneyou appear to be describing several completely different problems that can't possibly occur at the same time
14:46:22*[Saint] nods
14:46:29Torneit's not clear if you had one problem and now you have a different, worse one
14:46:30bakdafukup_2002lol, well im sorry guys
14:46:30Torneor what.
14:46:56Tornei suggest you describe the actual sequence of events here
14:47:01bakdafukup_2002sure
14:47:36bakdafukup_2002i ran that error check from that link and it did nothing
14:48:04TorneNo, from the beginning. What was the first problem you had?
14:49:23bakdafukup_2002from the start i couldnt play the tunes on rockbox... It worked fine the last time i used it and now nothing.. Id hit play on the first tune and it would completely skip it to the second tune and just sit their at 0
14:49:39[Saint]Its also highly possibly that you blindly did "chkdsk VOLUME_LABEL:/r"
14:49:40bakdafukup_2002so i deleted all the files off their and added a few new ones and it did the same thing
14:49:45[Saint]which *will* do nothing.
14:49:49[Saint]its supposed to.
14:50:12bakdafukup_2002i did cehck a drive for errors
14:50:30[Saint]what exact command did you use?
14:51:34[Saint]Whoops, I confused myself. You *wanted* to do /r, but its likely you did /f
14:51:48[Saint]the latter will check and repair nothing.
14:51:49bakdafukup_2002im on windows 7 and it told me i went computer and highlighted the drive that the ipod is uper and right clicked then i went to tool and error checking
14:52:14gevaertsWhat exactly do you mean by "so i deleted all the files off their and added a few new ones and it did the same thing"?
14:52:22bakdafukup_2002all my music
14:52:34[Saint]*just* the music?
14:52:34gevaertsOK, so *not* .rockbox?
14:53:20bakdafukup_2002no, i tried to use the rockbox utiltiy too to try and reinstall it but it told me that my ipod was there
14:53:39bakdafukup_2002or it possibly wasnt an ipod is what it said
14:54:33bakdafukup_2002maybe if i could just convert it back to itunes or whtever and start all over again.. idk if thats possible or not.. sorry if im such an idiot here
14:54:56[Saint]Sure, jsut restore the device.
14:55:04Torneif you dont' mind starting over then probably the easiest way to get out of whatever state you have it in is to restore it with itunes and start over
14:55:16Tornethat will reformat it, which will take care of any filesystem errors :)
14:55:46bakdafukup_2002yeah actually i tried that last night... i redownloaded itunes :/.. plugged in the ipod but nothing happened too
14:55:57bakdafukup_2002GD i dont get this shit
14:56:08Torneyou might need to manually boot the ipod into emergency disk mode first to get itunes to see it
14:56:14Torneby holding select+play on poweron
14:56:15megal0maniacWhich iPod is it?
14:56:24bakdafukup_2002ipod video
14:56:30bakdafukup_2002120gb
14:56:47Tornethere is no 120GB ipod video unless you upgraded the drive yourself
14:57:02Tornethe 120GB model is a Classic, which isn't a stable port yet :)
14:57:04megal0maniacYou mean classic then. Same thing applies
14:57:11[Saint]Not really no.
14:57:18[Saint]As RBUtil doesn't support this.
14:57:31megal0maniacNo, I meant about the select+play
14:57:59bakdafukup_2002yeh, its not working like that megal0maniac
14:58:06bakdafukup_2002just back where i started again lol
14:58:23[Saint]bakdafukup_2002: please, please confirm your device type, and get back to us.
14:58:24bakdafukup_2002No partition found. connect usb cable to fix
14:58:42[Saint]we can't work with you if we don't know what the device is.
14:58:59bakdafukup_2002sure thing mate.. gimme a moment
14:59:02[Saint]Unless you bought it upgraded, or upgraded the drive yourself...its not a Video
14:59:09megal0maniachttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT1363
14:59:45Tornemegal0maniac: please, stop helping :)
14:59:57Torneknowing how to put it into emergency disk mode is not sufficient if it is, in fact, a classic
14:59:58megal0maniacUm.. k
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15:00:01pamaurymegal0maniac: what was your question yesterday ?
15:00:04Tornebecause the install process for a classic is weird and different
15:01:03megal0maniacpamaury: I'll have to chat to you later, about to go out.
15:01:47megal0maniacTorne: I'm listening. Thought that emergency disk mode and iTunes could fix mostly anything, but now I'm curious.
15:02:10bakdafukup_2002this is what it is Torne http://support.apple.com/kb/SP498
15:02:33Tornehow did you install rockbox originally?
15:02:59Tornemanually, or with Rockbox Utility?
15:03:12bakdafukup_2002i cant remember to be honest mate.. pretty sure it was the utility
15:03:18Tornethe utility cannot install on a classic
15:03:22bakdafukup_2002but this was months ago
15:03:24[Saint](it can't have been)
15:03:38Torneand the manual install process for the classic is nonstandard as well
15:03:40bakdafukup_2002well i know ive used it to add themes and stuff
15:03:46[Saint]to install Rockbox, you *must* have used emCORE
15:03:48Torneyes, that will work
15:03:58bakdafukup_2002yes i have emcore on it
15:04:33[Saint]this really belongs in #freemyipod-support then.
15:04:58bakdafukup_2002alright, sorry for the hassle guys
15:05:41bakdafukup_2002could you help me in there [Saint]?
15:07:00[Saint]I'm there now.
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15:52:04pamaurywould anyone be against allowing powermgmt.c to compile in the bootloader ? I need it for the fuze+ bootloader, to be able to charge in usb mode
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16:06:29[Saint]pamaury: if its needed for the target, I really doubt anyone would be against it.
16:06:56pamauryactually I'm surprised that it is not needed by any other target
16:08:18[Saint]you mean bootloader USB here, yes? Not "standard" ROckbox USB?
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16:08:41pamauryyes
16:08:54pamaurybootloader doesn't init power management system, only normal rockbox does
16:09:08[Saint]I'm not sure (I can only think of the iPods I know of) if they do charge in bootloader USB actually.
16:09:27[Saint]And I'm not near one to check.
16:11:44[Saint]Wow...and trying to read the associated code in this hour of the morning is *not* a good idea for me :)
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18:05:07pamaurybertrik: do you have an idea of why the si4700 would not tune ?
18:05:20bertrikbeing powered off is a good reason
18:05:23pamauryit happens on the fuze+, especially when backlight is switching
18:05:32bertrikor if the oscillator is not running
18:05:51pamauryno, I've checked and apparently there is no power status change
18:06:01pamauryoscillator is still running
18:06:05pamauryyet it fails
18:06:10bertrikmaybe the backlight causes too much interference, I think they recommend not even doing any i2c bus transfers
18:06:14bertrikduring tuning
18:06:48pamaurythat's right, but I don't know how do prevent backlight when tuning
18:06:50bertrikwhat do you mean by switching?
18:06:59pamauryfading in or out
18:07:08bertriktuning only takes 60 ms or so
18:07:41pamauryand it would be nice to be able to recover from such a situation
18:08:04bertrikthis happens for example during station autosearch?
18:08:12pamauryyes
18:09:20bertrikI think we should review the backlight/fade code for weird stuff
18:09:40bertrikcan you still read the registers (in debug menu) after it has mistuned/
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18:11:51pamaurynormally it would lock up but if I break the loop when tune/seek fails, apparently it still works
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18:12:14pamaurybut I can't be sure since the i2c status is probably ignored anyway
18:12:45bertrikI think we should limit that tune loop to (say) 5 or 10 attempts
18:13:05bertrikActually I expect it to succeed at once
18:13:49pamauryI limit it to 3 and it never suceeds then until I power down the tuner chip
18:14:11pamaurythat's the problem, when you fail, you never suceed again it seems
18:14:52bertrikthe si4700 driver is getting a bit weird
18:15:05pamaurywhy ?
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18:17:03bertrikwith all the special cases for sleep, isr processing, delayed init
18:17:46bertriktuner_power not being really tuner power on some targets
18:18:01pamauryyeah, there are mainy different situations
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18:18:27pamauryactually, I'm was wrong: if I panic on fm_i2c_{read,write} failures, I get a failure on boot, that's interesting
18:18:27bertrikI suspect the whole tuner_power thing is not actually working at all
18:18:30pamaury*I was
18:18:49pamaurywhat do you mean ?
18:19:22bertrikAlso the tuner api is weird, for example I don't really know the difference between RADIO_FREQUENCY and RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY and it's not documented
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18:20:15bertrikoh, the tuner_power looks alright now
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18:21:05pamauryI think tuner_power is okay now
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18:21:32bertrikI wonder if the problem is in the tuner itself getting in a confused state, or the i2c bus
18:22:19pamauryI will investigate the i2c bus, I'm not sure it always works
18:22:31bertrikyou set pin 0.29 as GPIO in the fmradio-i2c-fuzeplus, but you don't specify direction or level as far as I can see
18:23:02pamaurythere is no direction setting
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18:23:18pamaurywhat is "level" ?
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18:23:44pamauryany pin is an input and you actually enable output if you want to drive it
18:23:50pamaurythen you can set the output value
18:24:36bertrikbut you do configure pin 1.24 and 1.22 as output, while you don't do that for pin 0.29
18:25:49pamauryah, yes I do it but in fmradio-i2c, which is not quite logical actually
18:27:23pamauryI'll change that
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18:29:01pamauryI will also investigate the imx233 DCDC frequency. The OF uses an apparently high setting when in tuner mode, perhaps to compensate drops because of backlight and others things
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18:34:49megal0maniac_@pamaury, I get freezing just as regularly with non-backlight related stuff. How did you determine that the tuner stopped tuning?
18:35:19pamaurywith some modification on the code and logging
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18:45:06bertrikpamaury, you're probably not saving any power with fmradio_i2c_enable. I would just create an fmradio_i2c_init and call that at startup
18:45:55pamauryI wrote it this way to make the code simple, not even for power savings
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18:48:49megal0maniacHow simple (or complicated) is it to change voltages? Risks aside.
18:49:31pamauryvoltage of what ?
18:51:11megal0maniacVoltages going to certain components. e.g. the display
18:52:28megal0maniacAre they software-controlled?
18:53:04pamauryyou can control a few voltages but that's not of any interest except for power savings
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20:54:14jlbiasinipamaury: could you please push/comment g#117 g#125 g#173 please? Those are very trivial change that shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to review/push. There is also g#123 (touchpad sensitivity) that is also waiting for push
20:54:15fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #117 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,117 : Fuze+: update minor keymaps mapping for manual consistency/simplicity by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/17/117/1)
20:54:51jlbiasinig#125
20:54:52fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #125 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,125 : Fuze+/calendar's plugin update keymaps and manual by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/25/125/3)
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20:55:09jlbiasinig#173
20:55:10fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #173 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,173 : Fuze+ simulator: update image with keys indication by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/73/173/1)
20:55:19jlbiasinig#123
20:55:22fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #123 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,123 : Add an alternative analogic touchpad sensitivity setting and by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/23/123/6)
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20:59:34jlbiasinibluebrother: it would be nice to have fuze+ manual, now that we can install the bootloader with RockboxUtility... Or is there still sommething missing on g#116 ?
20:59:35fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #116 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,116 : Update Fuze+ manual (main files) FS #12492 by Jean-Louis Biasini (changes/16/116/6)
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21:00:40jlbiasinibluebrother: also what are the plan for RockboxUtility future. Would there be something I could work on?
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21:12:33cliptesterrockbox utility 1.2.13 not downloading themes, i get this message:
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21:12:36cliptesterNetwork error: Request aborted.
21:12:38cliptesterPlease check your network and proxy settings."
21:18:05evilnickcliptester: Is that the latest version of RButil?
21:18:38evilnickIf not, try updating as I think that there was a recent fix for that
21:18:39bertrikI got the same a few days back, looked like a web server problem
21:19:13cliptesterlatest stable version
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21:26:05evilnickThe beta might have fixed it, ISTR bluebrother talking about it recently
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21:31:14wodzfreq scaling on rk27xx max = 200/100/50, normal = 100/100/50 is dead easy
21:32:13bertrikcan you switch it without having to wait for a pll to lock?
21:32:25wodzyes
21:32:31bertriknice
21:32:34wodzjust changing one divider
21:34:11wodzgating unused modules cuts power usage in main menu without backlight from 124mA down to 81mA
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21:39:20wodzbacklight takes as much as ~50mA
21:40:00bertrik81 mA is still quite a lot
21:40:32wodzyeah
21:40:49bertrikmany newer targets are in the 20 - 30 mA range IIUC
21:42:00wodzI am measuring on USB line with desoldered battery. I need to figure out how much this measurements are off
21:42:46bertrikyeah, I don't know if the USB current is the same as it would draw from the battery
21:45:41amiconnIt most probably isn't. When battery is disconnected, usb current should be lower than what would be drawn from battery
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21:47:08amiconn(because usb is 5 V while battery is 3.3..4.1 V and targets use switching regulators)
21:48:23*amiconn would use a lab power supply connected in palce of the battery for this kind of measurement
21:50:06wodzamiconn: sure, but this dap has erased begining of the nand and the only method to boot it is trough USB DFU mode
21:50:45*bertrik would just measure the USB current to get a rough idea of the current consumed, less soldering in the player involved, and he doesn't have a lab supply
21:55:28wodzhmm, I have off by 1 timer setting probably
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21:56:53wodzdatasheet operation description and timer interrupt freq formula are not consistent
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22:14:10saratogai think USB is fine, it won't give you the absolute current, but thats not really useful
22:14:17saratogawhat you really want is the relative change in current
22:14:25saratogayou can figure out the absolute value latter using a battery bench
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22:23:34wodzsaratoga: What might be the cause of poor performance? I mean rk27xxs needs over 50MHz for lame@128 realtime. The lack of iram?
22:23:57saratogaits ARM7E?
22:24:17n1sslow ram can indeed slow stuff down
22:24:30wodzarmv5te
22:25:04saratogayeah
22:25:10saratogawell we've never had an ARM7E chip before
22:25:29saratogaas i understand it, the 7E has the 7TDMI's pipeline, but the 9E's multiplier right?
22:25:48n1sthat what i remember too
22:26:08saratogaare the pipeline interlocks the same as the respective cores? if not our ASM might not be ideal
22:26:45saratogaand no IRAM? what is the cache like? does it have the same weirdness as the 7TDMI caches?
22:26:54n1sARM7 doesn't really have interlocks iirc
22:27:13saratogait does for loads and stores
22:27:32n1sso if it uses the code for other v5 cores it will not be ideal, no
22:27:40n1sah, ok
22:28:03saratogatheres a shared 32 bit i/d cache, so you can either load an instruction or retire a load/store but not both
22:28:10wodztechnical reference manual states 5 stage pipeline
22:28:15saratogaoh?
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22:29:52n1ssounds like an arm9e then
22:30:11saratogaoh so its the ARM9E pipeline with the ARM7 cache
22:30:18saratogathat is a strange combination
22:30:52wodzfetch decode execute mem write_back
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22:31:47wodzthe cache is not part of the arm core IIRC
22:33:23wodzthe one in rk27xx is 2-way associative write-trough unified i/d cache
22:33:26saratogalooking at the cycle timing diagrams its basically the same as ARM9E, except that load/stores are half as fast
22:34:03saratogaso in that sense its probably closer to the ARM11 where LDM is ~2x faster then LDR
22:34:39saratogaour current synth_full code is going to be ugly on it, so probably performance will be a lot like ARM11 targets for mp3
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22:34:49saratogahow is WMA?
22:34:59saratogai'm guessing a lot faster?
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22:36:43wodzI can bench wma, one sec
22:37:46saratogawhen you get a chance, could you bench the entire test file set and put them on the wiki?
22:38:02saratogamight give me some ideas
22:38:19saratogahttp://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ if you need them
22:38:37saratogawell maybe skip ape
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22:39:21wodzyeah, thats a lot to download I test small subset of this. I can do full benchmark maybe tomorrow
22:39:28saratogasure, no hurry
22:39:38saratogaand honestly aside from flac the lossless isn't too interesting anyway
22:40:20saratogaanyway, WMA should be well scheduled for the unified cache i think
22:40:36saratogaso if its slow too, i would think the problem is lack of IRAM or slow DRAM rather then bad ASM code
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22:50:33wodzsaratoga: wma96: 49.64MHz, wm128: 49.95MHz, wma192: 50.90MHz, wma256: 52.19MHz, wma320: 53.23MHz
22:52:16saratogawow so WMA == MP3?
22:52:33wodzroughly
22:53:42saratogai guess thats comparable to AMSv2 running ARM9E, but about 2x as slow
22:54:51saratogaand theres no SRAM at all right?
22:56:26wodzflac8: 13.63MHz, lame128: 50.65MHz, lame320: 53.15MHz
22:56:43wodzwell, there is 4kB of iram actually
22:56:52saratogai guess its probably just bad cache and no iram
22:57:01saratogaif you increase the DRAM clock does it make much difference
22:58:10saratogai forget how big the stack is for codecs, maybe that could be put into SRAM?
22:59:31pixelmahow nice, the "getting googlemail.com mails over and over again" problem hasn't stopped, is annoying and now lead to my membership in the devml being disabled? :\
22:59:52wodzThats a bit complicated. This tests are run with arm:ahb:apb 200:100:50. I benched 132:132:66 and it was much worst (lame128: 60.07MHz, lame320: 63.67MHz).
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23:00:15pixelmaI'd really like to see the problem solved myself :(
23:00:40wodzUnfortunately allowed arm:ahb dividers are 1 and 2 and arm core is rated at 200MHz max
23:00:54bertrikso, basically any compressed codec runs at PCLK? :D
23:01:06pixelmaand I still get the old mails over and over again
23:02:22wodzbertrik: I guess more like hclk/2
23:02:25*pixelma looks around for Bagder (or maybe Zagor for that matter)
23:03:03*Bagder lurks in the shadows
23:04:54pixelmaBagder: any idea how it is possible that I get mails by googlemail.com addresses over and over again in the dev-ml - or do you have a way to check something which helps me determing where the problem lies?
23:05:14saratogawodz: why would decreasing fclk lead to lower perf/MHZ? the opposite should be true
23:05:25Bagder"in the dev-ml" ? how exactly are they in the dev ml?
23:05:29pixelmaBagder: the problem started on the first of March it seems
23:07:01pixelmamails originally send from people with googlemail addresses (e.g. n1s or wodz) to rockbox-dev
23:07:21wodzsaratoga: looking at mem_test results it seems that synchonous arm:ahb gives ~20% lower mem throughput. 200:100:50 gives ~100MB/s read while 100:100:50 gives ~80MB/s
23:07:43pixelmait looks like I get them again and again, they have the same old time stamp etc.
23:07:46saratogais this in fastbus mode or whatever arm calls it?
23:08:21wodzsaratoga: datasheet doesn't mention fastbus anywhere
23:08:22pixelmaor gmail rather
23:08:49saratogaits an ARM9/9E thing, perhaps its not in 7E
23:11:14wodzwhere is codec stack defined? app.lds doesn't mention one
23:12:11wodzmain stack i 8k so it will not fit in iram
23:12:21saratogaits the same size i think
23:13:15wodzI can move irq stack to iram but this will not help much I guess
23:14:14saratogayeah probably not
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23:14:42saratogaon some arm7, fastbus just means that you run the core clock as the bus clock, and then memory acess is a little faster
23:16:54wodzWhat I find weird is that OF uses 54MHz arm clock when decoding mp3. That would mean running ahb at 54MHz at best so mem throughput should be ~1/2 of what I have.
23:19:01saratogadoes it use the cpu or that DSP thing the datasheet mentions?
23:19:23wodzaudio is handled by arm core. DSP is used for video
23:20:15saratogaperhaps the memory or bus is misconfigured somehow that makes it run slower
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23:23:13wodzsaratoga: Well, could be. Memmap outlined at the very begining of the datasheet shows a few areas I have no idea what they are.
23:23:43wodzfor example AHB0 ES6 reserves 1M of address space
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