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01:14:29guymannhey the site's back! hooray
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01:17:13JdGordonmorning
01:22:15Topic"3.11 has been branched | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
01:25:47pamauryJdGordon: morning, as I asked you when you were sleeping, do you have any idea why a list would "jitter" on a touchscreen target in grid mode ?
01:26:20JdGordondepends what jitter means :)
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01:32:02pamauryJdGordon: it will "go up" by a few pixels then back to the original position. And it happen every time you scroll. And on some list nearly empty lists, it will even jitter without touching the device
01:38:37JdGordonare you sure everything thinks it is in grid mode?
01:39:34pamaurywhat do you mean ?
01:40:09pamauryI didn't modify anything, it even happen in the root menu
01:40:44JdGordonok, why do you tihnk you're in grid mode?
01:41:42pamaurybecause it behaves exactly like in grid mode: depending on where you touch the screen it either goes up or down one element, select the element or goes back to the previous menu
01:44:24JdGordonyou dont have gdb on target do you? :p
01:45:42pamauryno
01:46:07pamauryI could check if it also happen in the simulator though
01:48:26pamaurybut I haven't add the stuff to successfully build the simulator :-/ I'll try tomorrow, thanks for your help
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09:57:00CarcinoHello. Was just wondering why morse code input is disabled on the clip plus. Couldn't the setting still be available although there can't be a hotkey for switching the mode?
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10:35:55PaulFertserHi there :) I have an old cool sansa e200 here and i wonder what's the reason behind forcing to load OF when plugged in with usb inserted now that there's nice and stable support for USB in Rockbox itself?
10:42:07PaulFertserBut nowadays it looks like if i flash the latest bootloader to it i'll have it waiting for me to unplug it from the usb because it would automatically get into bootloader usb mode, right?
10:43:28pixelmawith an up-to-date bootloader you aren't forced and if you want to charge only you can hold any button while plugging USB which should be described in our manual
10:43:44bertrikAs far as I know, the bootloader should boot to rockbox, unless you hold a special button
10:44:44PaulFertserI'm reading http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=bootloader/main-pp.c;h=28aee9cf90b6138415e484ccdf401b9b4166dc2c;hb=HEAD
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10:46:35PaulFertserbertrik: indeed, but what if i turn the device on while having it plugged into a pc?
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10:48:16bertrikI don't know, sounds like a pretty hard to reach state anyway, since the device turns on by itself the moment you plug it in AFAIK
10:48:18PaulFertserI guess i'd get dropped to "bootloader usb mode" but what'd be the benefit of that for me comparing to loading full rockbox?
10:48:49PaulFertserbertrik: it turns on, the bootloader starts, sees usb connection present, tries negotiating with the host, succeeds, stucks in bootloader usb mode.
10:48:54PaulFertserbertrik: if i'm reading the sources correctly.
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10:51:41PaulFertserpixelma: we're apparently talking about different bootloaders, i'm talking about the usual PP one that just enables verbose if any button (except for the hold switch and "left" which loads OF) pressed.
10:52:13bluebrothermy e200 boots into Rockbox when usb is plugged in
10:52:22bluebrotherand I haven't updated the bootloader since long
10:52:35PaulFertserbluebrother: usb charger or usb host?
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10:53:07PaulFertserbluebrother: what revision of the bootloader and compile options provide that result? I can't see it in the current code.
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10:53:52bluebrotherusb host. Aka PC
10:54:24bluebrotherand that's with v6 bootloader
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10:56:24PaulFertserbluebrother: sorry, i can't translate that easily into a git hash or svn id...
10:58:53bluebrotherwell, the bootloader file for e200 on the download server is 5th july 2009
10:59:04bluebrotherso it has to be around that date.
10:59:18bluebrotherseems there wasn't a tag made (or the tag isn't descriptive enough)
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11:09:09PaulFertserbluebrother: hm, real-life testing with http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 confirms your observation.
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11:13:50PaulFertserbluebrother: but if you compare the 5th July date of the said file to http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=history;f=bootloader/main-pp.c;h=28aee9cf90b6138415e484ccdf401b9b4166dc2c;hb=HEAD you'll see that there were quite some changes since then.
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11:16:57PaulFertserbluebrother: i think http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commitdiff;h=76083359e08c85f28874a7c07e5332fda2a5b503 proofs that nowadays that "bootloader usb mode" is enabled for e200s. But what is the benefit of that?
11:18:38[Saint]USB when your rockbox image is trashed.
11:19:00[Saint]errrr...s/image/binary/
11:19:35[Saint]It basically allows you an opportunity to mount and fix errors with just the bootloader itself, without having to boot the OF.
11:19:40bertrik[Saint], why not just boot to the OF in that case?
11:19:48[Saint]Hassle?
11:20:34[Saint]iPods have this enabled too...when they could (in theory {afaik}) just boot the OF too.
11:20:49bertrikI don't see the point of a bootloader USB mode to be honest
11:21:02[Saint]Many targets have it now.
11:21:11bertrikjust makes the bootloader more complicated
11:21:14[Saint]Its not entirely useless, but, I agree.
11:30:10PaulFertser[Saint]: i do not see any point in having that bootloader usb mode either, OF is supposed to be untrashable anyway, and it's not a hassle to boot it in case of emergency.
11:30:35[Saint]Its not anything to do with the OF.
11:30:47[Saint]So, we can disregard that.
11:31:07[Saint](fwiw, its also *very* possible to trash the OF)
11:31:34PaulFertser[Saint]: but following the official instructions, unlikely, right?
11:32:36[Saint]Picture this scenario...you plug USB, but, "Oh Noes! my .rockbox folder is entirely f****d/trashed/missing/etc", what do you do? Boot the OF and transfer a new one...well, you could do that, or, it could just mount right then and let you do it in the bootloader.
11:32:54PaulFertser[Saint]: i think this bootloader usb mode also complicates charging a flat battery: if one's device is depleted and he plugs it to usb to charge he's getting stuck in the bootloader usb mode and has to rely on rarely used BL charging code instead of the widely tested rockbox charging code, right?
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11:33:27[Saint]the charging code isn't exactly complicated...
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11:34:17PaulFertser[Saint]: and yet it has to take that 100/500mA limits into account, program the PMU chip properly etc, plenty of opportunities to get it wrong.
11:35:02[Saint]And plenty of people to review it, and some exceptionally smart individuals that coded it in the first place.
11:35:16[Saint]The time to raise issues about this was *many* moons ago ;)
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11:36:23[Saint]As long as the bootloader still fits where its supposed to in space constrained targets, I really don't see the problem if it lights up an LED array to spell out "help! I'm broken, fix me!"
11:36:53PaulFertser[Saint]: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12615 basically confirms my concerns
11:37:58[Saint]That has pretty much nothing to do with bootloader USB or charging.
11:38:04[Saint]But rather safe shutdown limit.
11:38:27[Saint]Its likely the battery is just on its way out too...that's the other possibility.
11:39:22PaulFertser[Saint]: i'd appreciate if you explained to me why this issue is not the problem with charging in bootloader usb mode that wouldn't exist if the bootloader usb mode didn't exist.
11:39:58[Saint]Its an issue with the value (potentially) that is deemed "safe" for a critically low battery.
11:40:20[Saint]If it is so low that it cannot power the device to a state where it can charge, *that* is the problem.
11:40:47[Saint]It could also just be a case a a bad battery.
11:40:49PaulFertserAnd yet it can boot OF?
11:41:10PaulFertser"Currently rockbox doesn't charge when in bootloader USB mode. The solution is to hold volume down on plug so that it boots to the OF and charge. This should be fixed in the next version of the bootloader."
11:41:29[Saint]Where does it say he booted the OF?
11:42:13PaulFertserThat's what pamaury suggested as a workaround for a known issue.
11:43:21[Saint]He ran down the battery to a level where rockbox decided that it needed to shutdown, if indeed after that it couldn't power itself to a point where it could even get the bootloader to a point where the charging code could take over *that* is the problem, IMO.
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11:45:37[Saint]The critical battery limit should allow a full boot, even several.
11:45:50[Saint]Its not even as though it has a disk to spin up.
11:46:21[Saint]So that tells me that its either set too low, or the battery is bad in this instance.
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11:47:57[Saint]Take my iPod 4G with a big clunky old HDD for instance, when Rockbox decides the battery is so low it needs to shut down...its still perfectly capable of powering itself to a point where it can charge itself. This is intentional.
11:47:58PaulFertserWhat if his device was gathering dirt for several months after that, it'd have depleted his battery all right.
11:48:53[Saint]Well, that would count as neglect, and if you really expected a deep discharged battery to boot anything, you'd be rather unpleasantly surprised.
11:49:08[Saint]deep discherge == bad :)
11:49:14[Saint]-e+a
11:50:13pamauryI've enabled charging in usb mode, I can't remember if jean-louis updated the bootloader image on the wiki
11:50:46pamaurybut we haven't released a new official bootloader yet
11:51:09[Saint]pamaury: with the flyspray entry above...am I right in thinking that might indicate the safe shutdown limit is too low?
11:51:22[Saint](or possibly just a bad battery)
11:52:18pamaurywhy too low ?
11:52:31[Saint]I mean, if its read as written, and it shut down and then couldn't power itself up to get to a point where it could charge itself...
11:53:36PaulFertserpamaury: my question is what benefits the bootloader usb mode brings if one is still able to boot OF in case he damaged his .rockbox install while i see potential pitfalls of this mandatory bootloader usb mode e.g. caring about the charging inside the BL itself which shouldn't have been necessary if it booted straight to rockbox.
11:53:40[Saint]Even HDD targets can spin up the disk for long enough to boot into Rockbox and start charging after a low battery shutdown.
11:53:52[Saint]So I'm wondering if its set too low in this instance.
11:55:22[Saint]PaulFertser: Can you explain how one boots into Rockbox with a damaged binary?
11:55:30[Saint](or did you word that incorrectly?)
11:56:11PaulFertser[Saint]: the PMU chip is supposed to have sensible defaults so it should be able to boot the BL and then the BL should be able to boot Rockbox which should enable charging all right.
11:56:36PaulFertserThe problem is when you're stuck in BL with disabled (or wrong) charging settings.
11:56:45PaulFertserAnd that issue is not a single report of a similar problem.
11:56:58[Saint]but, you said "in case he damaged his .rockbox install" *and* "caring about the charging inside the BL itself which shouldn't have been necessary if it booted straight to rockbox"
11:57:07[Saint]those two don't gel together.
11:57:42[Saint]If the .rockbox binary is damaged, it *won't* boot into Rockbox...that's the point.
11:58:01PaulFertser[Saint]: then the user would press the key to boot into OF which has charging code all right.
11:58:38[Saint]Or...it could charge via the bootloader, and use bootloader USB, and not require any intervention (much cleaner)
11:58:58PaulFertserMuch more code, much more chances of something being broken.
11:59:20PaulFertserAnd this kind of brokenness was actually observed on several devices.
11:59:40[Saint]I go back to my scenario of "as long as it does what its supposed to, and fits where it should, I don't care if it whilstles dixie while doin git"
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12:00:09pamaurymy opinion on that is that's it not a real problem. The fuze+ is in development, people should now that such things could happen. This problem in particular is fixed if one uses the latest bootloader image I think. The bl usb mode is useful for development and allows you to completely bypass the OF even when the rockbox binary is broken
12:00:22[Saint]and that, yes.
12:00:37[Saint]Things break, its a risk you take installing experimental firmware.
12:01:02pamauryyou can't really break your device anyway
12:03:43[Saint]iiuc, the Fuze+ isn't even classed as "unusable" yet, is it?
12:03:58pamauryI think it is
12:04:07pamauryerr no, it's unstable
12:04:10PaulFertserpamaury: ok, i see, thanks for the clarificiation. Anyway the released binaries for e200 are so old that the bootloader usb mode is not enabled there :) folks in here tried to convince me that's the current official behaviour while i was looking at the code and clearly seeing it's not :)
12:04:14[Saint]If it is, the main page needs updating.
12:04:20[Saint]pamaury: ^
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12:04:51pamaury[Saint]: it's marked as unstable on the main page!
12:05:13*[Saint] cleans his glasses.
12:06:21pamauryThere is one thing on which you are right: recovering from this situation is a bit tricky and we should probably have some tool to do it on linux *and* windows (in RbUtil for example)
12:06:22[Saint]PaulFertser: whether intentional or not, the "official" behaviour is that of what is released, I would say.
12:07:06pamauryPaulFertser: are you running bootloader v9 from the wiki page ?
12:07:08PaulFertser[Saint]: 2009 is not relevant.
12:07:32PaulFertserpamaury: no, those folks are running http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4
12:07:46PaulFertserAnd it's the same file mentioned in sansapatcher sources btw
12:08:02[Saint]Why so? If that's the last bootloader released, that's "the official bootloader"..whether its intentional or not.
12:08:04*pamaury missed the point where we switched to e200
12:09:27[Saint]As did I, actually. I was linked to concerns regarding Fuze+
12:09:51PaulFertser[Saint]: i'm using rockbox long before there was any "stable" release at all.
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12:10:01PaulFertser14:04 < PaulFertser> pamaury: ok, i see, thanks for the clarificiation. Anyway the released binaries for e200 are so old
12:10:58[Saint]PaulFertser> [Saint]: i'm using rockbox long before there was any "stable" release at all. <−− I really don't see where you're going with that.
12:11:28PaulFertser[Saint]: that for me what's relevant is the code i see in gitweb, not some abitrary releases.
12:11:46[Saint]That's a poor assumption, then.
12:12:03PaulFertserOk :)
12:12:08[Saint]the current code might be reverted at any point and NEVER make it into ANY release.
12:12:24AlexP3.11 tagged
12:12:36bertrik\o/
12:12:55PaulFertser[Saint]: the thing is that when i was asking about the behaviour i gave a link to the _current_ code revision, so it was clear i'm talking about git HEAD and not about some release back from 2009.
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12:13:49[Saint]PaulFertser: And if you're trying to lodge bugs against user built and/or unreleased binaries...there's a problem.
12:15:00[Saint]Releases are expected to work, sure. Current code may be broken in many wide and varied fashions.
12:15:04pamaurythe behaviour of bootloader is the one of released binaries, it has always been because bootloader are delicate pieces of code, HEAD is basically irrelevant for bootloaders
12:15:16bertrikhuh?
12:15:34bertrikI'd expect HEAD to represent the state-of-the-art code, to be used for the next release
12:15:49bertrikeven for bootloaders
12:16:09CIA-44Commit e46382a in rockbox by 03Alex Parker: Bump builds.pm so that Rockbox Utility notices 3.11
12:16:16[Saint]But we know that isn't the case, as, things break. Intentional or not.
12:16:31pamauryat some point we don't change the bootloaders, most targets did not get a bootloader release in a while, perhaps the current code would not even work
12:16:43bertrikthen why the hell do we commit stuff for bootloaders?
12:16:48PaulFertser[Saint]: i gave the git hash i'm talking about early into the talk anyway, so i can't understand what's wrong with asking specific questions mentioning specific code revision.
12:16:52AlexPBut if a new bootloader releße was needed, it would come from HEAD
12:17:02AlexPIf that is currently broken, irt would be fixed first
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12:17:39[Saint]PaulFertser: I think you successfully managed to confuse at least two of us :)
12:17:54PaulFertser[Saint]: practice makes perfect :)
12:18:12PaulFertserAnd i had enough of practice in confusing people :)
12:19:44[Saint]Nano2g is actually a pretty good example of "sometimes HEAD gets so messed up we just can't use it"
12:20:48PaulFertserBTW, i'm still amazed by the incredible awesomeness of the Rockbox project, that's clearly the only portable player firmware worth using and i can imagine how much work (including a rather complicated RE) was put into it. The team is really great.
12:23:10[Saint]10 years of effort from literally hundreds of individuals, and a metric butt-load of revisions. It really is quite impressive, indeed.
12:35:33gevaertsAlexP: did you see any Swedes around yet?
12:35:39AlexPgevaerts: No
12:35:58AlexPIs build_info on the website updated from builds.pm once a day?
12:36:03AlexPAt 03:00?
12:36:30gevaertsI don't know. Usually they give it a push on release day I think
12:37:06AlexPYeah, must do
12:37:19AlexPOtherwise it'd always take a day to be picked up
12:38:00AlexPI think that that is all that is needed
12:38:33gevaertsI don't think the files have been moved in place yet
12:38:38AlexPah
12:39:47AlexPBagder: When you get a moment, could you let us know so we can finish off the release stuff?
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12:52:46CIA-44e46382a build result: 1 errors, 2 warnings (Alex Parker committed)
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12:56:49AlexPI'm going to go ahead and say that wasn't me
12:57:03AlexPAlso, 36 minutes is an impressive build time :)
12:57:25[Saint]...unless its for one target ;)
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13:09:47BagderAlexP: I don't really have much time today, maybe Zagor can help though
13:11:02AlexPOK, thanks
13:11:22AlexPI think it just needs files moving, build_info given a push and www made live
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13:13:17ZagorI'm on it
13:14:23AlexPThanks muchly
13:16:43JdGordondoes anyone use RTL languages?
13:18:14JdGordonsoo... one thing tha was used at MS for translation testing was they had a "language" which was the english string with some random unidode chars appended.. can anyone with scriptfo make that happen for us? :)
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13:23:19[Saint]JdGordon: I believe I know why you referenced RTL langs, and I'm looking at the code now. There are indeed bit where the RTL text can get messed up in some cabbie versions.
13:23:25[Saint]*bits
13:23:25JdGordonpetur: hey, the histogram in the rec screen was commited right? where is it supposed to be displayed?
13:23:52peturbelow the peakmeters iirc
13:24:06JdGordonis it disabled in the sim then?
13:24:43peturdon't think so, but it might only be enabled for iriver
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13:25:51[Saint]JdGordon: as pretty much the only person I know I can bug that's even vaguely aware of how RTL stuffs should be handled...does it make sense to flip the fill direction of the progress bar also?
13:26:04[Saint](as well as elapsed/remaining time)
13:26:17JdGordonI think so
13:26:23[Saint]Right, thanks.
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13:26:44Zagor3.11 is now out
13:27:04[Saint]I'll make this (sane RTL handling) tomorrows task, I feel like ass at present.
13:27:59JdGordonit's pretty annoying the theme needs to handle it :/
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13:29:23peturJdGordon: we could just flip the whole framebuffer ;)
13:30:20AlexPZagor: Great, thanks
13:30:52[Saint]JdGordon: there's not actually a lot of fuss in doing so.
13:31:06[Saint]Its actually really easy to handle, its just easily forgotten it seems.
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13:31:15JdGordon[Saint]: yes there is, there is maybe 1 theme which handles it correctly :)
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13:31:46[Saint]if you %ax every textual viewport, its fine, and will "just work".
13:32:15[Saint]flipping the fill direction of the bar takes a little effort, but, its stilla one line thing.
13:32:38Topic"3.11 released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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13:33:54[Saint]If you mix %ax and %aL/R, "fun things" happen...but, that's not really much of an isue, as it should be reasonable obvious that each tag cancels part of the other out.
13:34:46[Saint]pretty much every viewport that isn't centrally symetrical should be "%ax'd", and alignment tags "just work".
13:35:24[Saint](for both LTR and RTL langs)
13:35:56JdGordonall of that could happen in the code
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13:36:12JdGordonit owuld be nice to know if a particular string shold be RtL'd or not
13:36:20[Saint]But it doesn't...and never has...and I need something to do tomorrow ;)
13:36:41lebelliumhum looks like theme downloading with rockbox utility has not been fixed, it tells me "network error: request aborted"
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13:37:51[Saint]lebellium: It wasn't ever announced that it should indeed be fixed, was it?
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13:38:01[Saint]Or did you expect the release to make it work?
13:38:17lebelliumyes I thought that would work along with the new 3.11
13:38:43[Saint]afaik, its "git hashtag weirdness" and it only hits some targets, and only for some revisions.
13:38:43AlexPNo, it is unrelated sadly
13:38:55AlexPOr not directly anyway
13:38:58AlexPMaybe :)
13:39:03[Saint]Its not a case of something being obviously broken that just wasn't fixed because people are lazy.
13:39:11[Saint]its "weird sh*tTM" ;)
13:39:44lebelliumah ok
13:40:14[Saint]AlexP: Oh? Hmmm...that's both interesting and not nice.
13:40:30[Saint]Is there a new direction to look in, or is it back to shoulder shrugging?
13:41:04AlexPI suspect I've misunderstood, so just ignore me :)
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13:47:41gevaertsHas anyone tested a regular install of 3.11 yet?
13:54:05[Saint]It'd be nice if RBUtil could report successful installation stats.
13:54:26[Saint](and failed installations also)
13:54:37gevaertsOK, it seems to work on my F60
13:54:41gevaertsthemes still fail though
13:54:55gevaertsGET /rbutilqt.php?target=gigabeatfx&release=3.11&revision=&rbutilver=1.2.13& HTTP/1.1
13:55:01gevaertsHTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error
13:56:05gevaertsrasher: ping
13:57:37gevaertsrasher: maybe we could try to remove the revision_syntax_changed handling from rbutilqt.php?
13:57:58gevaertsHm, no, that's not it
13:59:44gevaertsSomeone who knows php needs to actually look on the server what's going on
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14:00:26gevaertsbluebrother: maybe rockbox utility could distinguish 500 Internal Server Error from not being able to connect to show a better error message?
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14:17:16bluebrothergevaerts: yes it could :)
14:17:44azhagcongratulation on new release :)
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14:29:41JdGordonkugel: ping
14:31:03JdGordonso apparently RTL is broken in the android builds
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14:32:46JdGordonI have no idea why it shold be broken on some targets and not others though
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14:44:30lebelliumJust upgraded my clip+ from 3.9 to 3.11
14:44:35lebelliumseems to work fine so far
14:47:17JdGordon[Saint]: yeah, i tinhk the proper thing to do is just magically make skins work with rtl without the extra tags
14:49:20bertrikcan't we just flip the frame buffer? :D
14:49:36bertriksorry
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15:13:01Zx432Hi
15:13:55Zx432I am trying to instal rockbox on ubuntu to update my iRiver H100 and I can't get it to install.
15:15:01bluebrotheryou can't install Rockbox on Ubuntu
15:15:16Zx432Really?
15:15:19bluebrotheryou can use Ubuntu to install Rockbox to your player, but that's something different
15:15:34Zx432:) Semantics
15:15:53bluebrotherwell, the difference is important here.
15:16:00Zx432OK.
15:16:16bluebrotherso what exactly are you trying to do? Are you trying to run Rockbox Utility?
15:17:45Zx432I downloaded the file, Rockbox Utility so that I could upgrade my iRiver
15:17:48Zx432H100
15:18:20Zx432But now I have the file and don't know what to do.
15:18:30bluebrotherand where do you have problems? Did you manage to run Rockbox Utility?
15:18:41bluebrother"the file" meaning Rockbox Utility or what?
15:20:38Zx432yes the file Rockbox Utility the 64 bit version
15:21:01bluebrotherso you have the archive downloaded. Have you already extracted it?
15:21:20Zx432yes
15:21:29bluebrotherhave you managed to start it?
15:22:37Zx432no
15:22:42Zx432that is the problem
15:22:55bluebrotherand what exactly is the problem here?
15:23:05Zx432it won't start
15:23:16bluebrotherwell, is your machine actually 64bit?
15:23:22Zx432yes
15:23:33bluebrotherand your Ubuntu installation as well?
15:23:44Zx432yes it is all 64 bit
15:23:59bluebrotherok, do you get any error message when trying to start it?
15:27:54Zx432error: Could not show "/media/Počasn/Programi/rockb...-v1.2.13-64bit/RockboxUtility" The program that supports the executable files is not installed. (I translated this from slovenian so the actuall english version might be a bit different.=
15:28:23bluebrotherhuh? Never heard of such an error message
15:28:37bluebrotherare you trying to run it from a terminal or via a file browser?
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15:29:16Zx432Via file browser
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15:30:26bluebrotherwhat version of Ubuntu?
15:30:51Zx43211.10
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15:31:45bluebrothermaybe it's related to this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Policies#Execute-Permission_Bit_Required
15:31:54bluebrothercan you check if the executable bit is set on the file?
15:32:49bluebrother(and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/ExecutableBit)
15:34:34Zx432Ok so it is clearly not marked as executable.
15:34:41bluebrotherwow
15:34:51bluebrotherso yet another stupid Ubuntu thing :(
15:36:41Zx432Yep
15:37:09bluebrotherthe file in the archive definitely has the x bit set. Just checked ...
15:37:47Zx432Well I know what is the problem now. Ubuntu sets it automatically as untrustworthy.
15:38:42bluebrotherseems they are trying hard to copy Windows when it comes to treating the user as stupid m(
15:40:24Zx432:)
15:40:43Zx432Now jujst to figure how to force change.
15:41:54PaulFertserZx432: do you really mean tar drops the executable bit when you untar something?
15:42:33Zx432yes http://ma65p.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/how-to-make-a-file-executable-in-ubuntu/
15:42:47Zx432If you check point 3
15:43:05Zx432The red thing should be as on pisture
15:43:10Zx432*picture
15:43:53Zx432If I try to tick it it unticks itserf instantly. And I am logged as admin.
15:44:41bluebrotherthat's impossible −− Ubuntu doesn't allow users to log in as root
15:45:04bluebrotherinstead it requires you to use sudo all the time
15:45:40bluebrother(well, unless you're familiar enough with U untu to change that, but then you shouldn't have stumbled across this behaviour :)
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15:46:10bluebrotherhave you actually extracted the binary or are you trying to run it directly from the archive?
15:47:51Zx432it is extracted. I am certain of that.
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15:56:43bluebrotherhmm. Just tried that in a VM with said Ubuntu version, can't reproduce Archive Manager removing the x bit
15:57:21bluebrotherit looks totally broken though. Seems some font stuff is missing. Or Qt is using the wrong fonts.
15:57:56Zx432So it doesn't work for you?
15:58:07bluebrotherit does work.
15:58:12Zx432oh
15:58:14Zx432ok
15:58:32bluebrotherthe fonts are rendered horribly, but that doesn't make it non functional
15:59:03Zx432ok
15:59:42bluebrotherI guess I need to check the Qt used for building the binary against Ubuntu :(
15:59:52bluebrotherthe binary works fine on Debian
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16:01:57bluebrotherhave you stored Rockbox Utility on some other drive? Like the player itself?
16:04:01Zx432It is on one of my HDDs that are part of the system. They are not on the player.
16:04:41bluebrotherok. Storing it on some FAT32 formatted drive would have been a possible explanation.
16:05:24*bluebrother is out of ideas
16:05:44bluebrotheryou can of course always compile it yourself. Or use a Windows machine. Or install manually.
16:08:05Zx432None are fat32
16:08:27Zx432I stored it on the same one that the OS is using.
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16:10:57Strife89TXI was trying to download 3.11 build from the Manual installer page just now, but all of the Firmware links ... aren't.
16:21:22AlexParen't what?
16:21:36Strife89TXAren't links.
16:21:47AlexPthey are here
16:22:00Strife89TXAh. :/
16:22:04AlexPYou are looking at http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi right?
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16:22:31Strife89TXThen Blazer is proably not rendering the page right.
16:22:47AlexPIt is fine here in firefox
16:22:54Strife89TXAlexP: I believe so.
16:23:56Strife89TX(Blazer is the stock browser on the Palm TX.)
16:28:18Strife89TXOh well, I'll try with my laptop next chance I get.
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17:11:54n1shmm, my fuze just hung while copying a file to the sd card via usb
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17:14:50n1sretrying it paniced
17:26:04n1sdmesg shows a couple of "usb 1-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -110" and then i get an i/o error message and the player hangs in the usb screen
17:27:47*n1s moves the card to a c200 and tries again
17:35:14n1sin the c200 it works fine
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18:45:25Mirwhat in hells name
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18:46:13Mirmy music folder isnt showing up on a E280 V1 when using the file browser
18:46:48n1sMir: what is your Show FIles setting set to?
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19:35:25Mirmy show files setting set to?
19:36:14Mirall
19:36:39Mirand when i said folder i meant /music/
19:36:46Mirnot the stuff thats in it
19:37:04Mirhow can i see the stuff thats in the folder if i cant see the folder
19:37:50Mirinteresting
19:38:00Mirafter charging it its now working :|
19:38:12Mirmaybe the all setting didnt sink in
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22:38:26gevaertsOK, theme installation from rockbox utility should be working again
22:38:55saratoga_you should tell that guy on the forums who was interested about it
22:39:09AlexPgevaerts: Good work!
22:39:12AlexPWhat was up?
22:40:10gevaertsUnbalanced parens
22:40:20AlexPah
22:40:30gevaertsMy php is good enough to find those given a log that tells me which line is wrong :)
22:40:41AlexPhandy :)
22:41:41saratoga_works for me now too
22:41:50gevaertssaratoga_: done
22:41:58gevaertsUnless there's more than one of those
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22:42:33saratoga_no i think that was it
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22:45:38bertrikmeh, getting weird database issues again
22:51:55saratoga_did Lorenz092 end up getting GIT access yet?
22:54:01lebelliumI ask him now
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22:56:06lebelliumsaratoga_: no he did not have time for that yet, he's quite busy atm
22:56:27saratoga_hmm ok
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22:58:10saratoga_he should probably get it anyway though since so much of that port is his work and he continues to maintain it
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23:04:32lebelliumyes sure he wants the FM radio to be included, finally. As soon as he's done with his university work, he'll work again on the port :à
23:09:24ZambeziI have a Cowon C2, not supported by Rockbox so far. Can anyone compare improvements on other Cowon-players?
23:11:46ZambeziD2 is supported so I have hopes.
23:12:13bluebrothergevaerts: nice. Wasn't aware you have access to that box :)
23:12:48gevaertsbluebrother: I suddenly remembered that scorche gave me access a while ago to look at a preformance issue
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23:13:13gevaertsbluebrother: don't interpret this to mean that I understand php!
23:13:35gevaertsZambezi: I'm not sure what you mean
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23:15:35bluebrothergevaerts: at least it's working again, which is a good thing
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23:16:20ZambeziCan anyone compare improvments on Cowon stock firmware and Rockbox on Rockbox-supported model? Cause somethings on stock firmware on Cowon C2 is quite annoying. Like locked screen and you can still adjust the volume.
23:17:04Zambezigevaerts: Better?
23:19:44gevaertsZambezi: yes. I can't really answer, I'm not too familiar with the D2. I do know several people have asked to allow changing volume while on hold though :) Glad to see not everyone agrees that that's a good idea
23:22:16Zambezigevaerts: The touch screen is responding abit odd, but I bought it mostly because my old broke and I wanted one with SD-card. Sony had a nice without the SD-card and without FLAC-support. No go.
23:22:29FOADWhat, there's been progress on the D2?
23:22:54gevaertsFOAD: not really, no
23:23:27saratoga_i committed charging detection for the D2+ a while back based on a patch someone sent in
23:23:28FOADShucks.
23:23:35saratoga_i think thats the only work on the d2 in recent years
23:23:36ZambeziFOAD: We spoke about the stock firmware.
23:23:50FOADYeah well I just got triggered by "D2". :P
23:24:17ZambeziFOAD: I assume you got one your self.
23:24:18FOADWhat's a good modern player that I can enjoy Rockbox on? One that's nothing to do with *pple.
23:24:21FOADI do.
23:25:02ZambeziFOAD: I like the way it handle firmware upgrade. Just transfer, restart.
23:25:48FOADAll I ever did with it was get the D2+ firmware on it really.
23:26:02gevaertsZambezi: nearly all semi-recent players do that
23:26:36ZambeziFOAD: What's better with D2+ compare to D2 firmware?
23:26:42FOADI got it because it seemed there was some decent work on the Rockbox D2 front being done at the time. But it never panned out really.
23:26:58FOADNot much really. I never felt much of a difference at all. :)
23:28:09ZambeziFOAD: I don't like the connection. A proper USB-mini/micro/whatever would be much better.
23:28:38ZambeziI'm beat today. I really need to go to bed. Night peeps!
23:29:08FOADZambezi: huh? My D2's got a USB mini port.
23:29:14FOADBye Zambezi.
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