#rockbox 2012-04-15

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#rockbox log for 2012-04-15

00:03:49	Thra11	If, when updating rockbox I just cd to the root of the device and unzip rockbox.zip there, is there a chance that old files that no longer exist in the new rockbox aren't replaced, so just stay there?
00:04:15	Torne	yes
00:04:21	Torne	but it doesn't really matter
00:04:35	Torne	you may just end up with one or two plugins that if you try to load them, they fail
00:04:41	Torne	it won't actually break anything
00:04:57	Thra11	so if I wanted to be squeaky clean I'd rm /.rockbox first, then unzip the new one?
00:05:12	Torne	you could, but then you'd lose all your settings, database, etc
00:05:19	Torne	there really isn't any need
00:05:33	Thra11	I'd lose themes as well.
00:05:49	Thra11	Cool. I will proceed as normal :)
00:06:04	Torne	we do occasionally delete/rename plugins and codecs, but that's about it
00:06:06	Torne	and only rarely
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00:43:15	tower_fell	Hi, I've a few general questions, slightly development oriented, regarding fuze
00:44:16	Mir	is there anyone doing development on the Sansa connect? If yes would they be interested in a spare Connect?
00:44:24	funman	Mir: check the forum thread
00:44:40	Mir	ok
00:44:58	tower_fell	Getting hands on one soon, to liberate it...now I wonder if it's considered "safe" to put heavy load on the cpu for "as long as battery lasts"
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00:46:30	tower_fell	(regarding a thread I've seen of fuze v2's overheating, I didn't get for sure if it was breakage by excessive backlight, or normal for them to heat up)
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00:52:59	tower_fell	no ideas/experiences? I mean they've been designed for mp3 & tiny video playback, so I thought maybe they don't like being abused too hard?
00:53:20	tower_fell	I just don't want to break it right away :(
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00:57:36	funman	overheating comes from high setting for luminosity
00:57:44	funman	the CPU is cold as ice
00:58:19	funman	fwiw it's also always running at 240MHz, lowering frequency didn't work
00:58:32	funman	you can use and abuse it as you wish
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01:03:24	tower_fell	well that's great! frequency is not really a cause for heat, mostly it's load, the more a proc gets to bite the more it'll burn, normally...
01:04:40	Torne	the majority of embedded CPUs can be run at full load indefinitely without any special thought paid to cooling. their peak power draw is just not that high.
01:05:02	tower_fell	but if it's known freaks could play doom or rockboy for some hours w/o problems, I guess I'll be fine
01:05:21	Torne	there are ARM cores way more powerful than anything in our supported players which have maximum power draws of <2W
01:05:51	Torne	the fuze would probably struggle to draw 0.5W
01:07:23	tower_fell	ok. soothed. instruction set of fuze is armv5te? I only have x86 experience, does it matter wether the whole thing runs in thump mode, and thus plugins would too?
01:07:49	Torne	we don't use thumb
01:08:16	tower_fell	great, all questions answered :)
01:08:47	tower_fell	I guess I'll use thumb, i.e. of the right hand to manipulate buttons and such.
01:09:03	funman	there's a switch to give to configure to use thumb though
01:09:18	funman	−−thumb
01:09:34	funman	btw should we remove −−eabi/−−no-eabi now ?
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01:10:31	Torne	funman: that doesn't actually work properly though yet, does it?
01:10:42	Torne	i didn't think we'd finished all the interworking stuff and debugging all the random problems
01:10:51	Torne	yes, we should probably drop −−no-eabi
01:10:57	Torne	nobody has been using/updating that toolchain for a long time
01:11:05	Torne	and it's not even supporte din rockboxdev.sh any more, no?
01:11:09	funman	Torne: yes it works fine since it's default on clipv1
01:11:37	funman	on other platforms it might be buggy though but it's limited to target specific code
01:12:28	Torne	oh.
01:12:28	funman	yeah it was removed in december
01:17:18	tower_fell	a last one: once I want to test/debug my code, I guess I can compile it (and whole rockbox) for some sort of arm/linux system running in qemu using arm sdl libs? is such described a little somewhere, found nothing really helpful on the chaotic wiki!
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01:19:35	Torne	no
01:19:40	Torne	not really.
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01:20:03	Torne	well..
01:20:15	Torne	it depends exactly what you're doing. you can run stuff on the simulator
01:20:29	Torne	but there isn't a lot of point in emualting ARM to run the simulator
01:20:43	Torne	you might as well just run the simulator natively
01:20:50	Torne	since it's not very representative anyway
01:21:42	tower_fell	tweaking/debugging arm asm for graphics effects and synthesizing sounds, the ui simulator is probably not really suitable for such
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01:24:00	Torne	i'd suggest not writing assembly, for the mos tpart :)
01:24:15	Torne	also, the simulator is a perfectly reasonable place to check graphics (though not the performance thereof)
01:24:27	Torne	the graphics output functions work the same as real hardware
01:24:31	Torne	sound is a bit more complicated
01:24:33	tower_fell	Sure, but if you want to debug c code, you better know the assembly
01:24:50	Torne	..not really, not in the last twenty years or so
01:25:04	Torne	it's perfectly simple to debug C code without knowing assembly :)
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01:25:47	Torne	it's not clear what you are actually trying to do
01:26:04	tower_fell	writing plugins for rockbox, of course :P
01:26:20	Torne	right, but i don't see why assembly, or emulating ARM, is involved in that
01:26:24	Torne	we don't :)
01:26:56	Torne	people writing plugins, if they don't want to have to test on real hardware, usually use the simulator for their normal native os/cpu
01:27:02	*	funman mentions plugins can be written in lua
01:27:23	funman	btw plugins run on non ARM platforms too
01:27:41	Torne	Yah; generall we prefer that stuff not be CPU dependent unless it really has to be
01:28:53	tower_fell	o.k. I'm just used to check asm from certain routines for performance reasons (i.e. identify bottlenecks, reorder code & recheck results and such). I always keep a pure, readable c version, in case you're troubbled by the thought of that
01:29:31	Torne	sure, but i still don't see what that has to do with how you test/debug
01:29:50	Torne	you don't need to be able to run the code at all to look at the generated asm
01:29:51	Torne	:)
01:29:54	Torne	you just look at it
01:30:23	Torne	also, that kind of optimisation is very rarely important
01:30:35	Torne	especially on a project that targets four completely different cpu architectures
01:30:40	Torne	which may well want contradictory changes :)
01:31:06	Torne	the compiler knows better than you, for much less effort, almost always. in the cases where it doesn't, you generally do have to handwrite assmebly to fix it.
01:31:51	Torne	it should be very rare to be able to improve C code by reordering bits of it, if you have a modern compiler.
01:32:26	tower_fell	Hmm, man, I just enjoy lowlevelism. but you're right, mostly it's waste of time.
01:34:56	funman	if you like asm you should work on codecs
01:35:02	tower_fell	That's why I'm so eager to code for that little device, even if it's useless stuff.
01:35:17	Torne	do something useful instead? :)
01:35:29	funman	or reverse engineer the USB driver and fix it on nano2g
01:36:10	tower_fell	yes, I've some little projects of my own to get into it first, then, why not. I like optimizing, but haven't done rev-eng yet.
01:37:19	tower_fell	But, I'm no pro, I do this for the fun of it, and have rather little experience.
01:39:24	tower_fell	I just like to learn stuff that's related to something flickering in rainbows, or sounding neat. but thanks for your attention, I'm off now. I be back when something useful is running.
01:39:52	tower_fell	keep rocking the rockbox, is a cute little project! :)
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14:47:33	bertrik	AlexP, can you review/test a patch for upside mode on the beast?
14:48:00	AlexP	bertrik: Yes, but not until this evening at some point
14:48:10	AlexP	I'm not a home at the moment and my beast is :)
14:48:21	AlexP	Is it on gerrit?
14:48:35	bertrik	no, it's a very old patch on flyspray FS #10345
14:48:36	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10345 Gigabeat: Switch volume buttons in Upside Down mode (patches, unconfirmed)
14:48:50	AlexP	OK, I'll try later on
14:48:55	bertrik	thanks
14:48:59	AlexP	no worries
14:49:41	bertrik	we do actually have some rather old patches that are nice and non-controversial :)
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14:55:01	AlexP	bertrik: I refuse to believe it )
14:58:00	gevaerts	I strongly believe that any non-controversial patch on the tracker was posted when many people were on vacation and didn't see it
14:58:30	AlexP	That sounds reasonable
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15:39:03	bertrik	pamaury, can you confirm that FS #12592 is fixed now?
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15:43:10	pamaury	I think so, at least bluebrother didn't report me any more failures
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15:46:06	bertrik	Ok, I'll close it then
15:47:23	bertrik	closed, just 613 open tasks to go! :D
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16:00:29	bertrik	oh nice, the keypad of the gigabeat F is called simply GIGABEAT_PAD, while for the gigabeat S it's called GIGABEAT_S_PAD
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16:04:29	bertrik	AlexP, the patch I asked you about, turns out to apply only to the gigabeat F and X, not the gigabeat S
16:08:06	gevaerts	bertrik: it probably should also be done for GIGABEAT_S_PAD though
16:08:46	gevaerts	According to the config headers, the S does have HAVE_LCD_FLIP, and it does have the volume buttons on the side like the F
16:09:34	bertrik	yes, I'll update the patch to include the S
16:09:59	gevaerts	I'm having a look at the manual images. I imagine there are more players like this
16:18:41	gevaerts	bertrik: I think that apart from the gigabeats you also want PHILIPS_HDD1630_PAD PHILIPS_HDD6330_PAD MPIO_HD200_PAD SANSA_CLIP_PAD SANSA_FUZEPLUS_PAD
16:19:05	bertrik	I think I'll leave the scope of that specific patch to just the gigabeats
16:19:15	gevaerts	Although I'm not entirely sure about MPIO_HD200_PAD
16:19:27	bluebrother	pamaury: well, I don't know if _all_ error paths have been covered. The important ones at least do :)
16:20:09	pamaury	bluebrother: there are some exit left but only for critical errors which normally can't happen
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16:21:28	bluebrother	well, "normally can't happen" doesn't mean it can't happen at all ...
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16:21:55	bluebrother	either way, the major problem is fixed.
16:22:04	*	bluebrother grumbles about the mkamsboot API
16:23:48	bertrik	oh, there's an API for that? ;)
16:25:21	bluebrother	well, that thing that's called from Rockbox Utility
16:31:31	pamaury	bluebrother: the ones left are things like default in a switch which must handle all cases for example
16:31:44	pamaury	what is the problem with mkamsboot ?
16:32:56	bluebrother	pamaury: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms235460%28v=vs.80%29.aspx
16:33:26	bluebrother	it's effectively broken if you want to use it as DLL. And from a point of working with objects / dynamic memory as well.
16:33:39	bluebrother	the one allocating things should also deallocate, not trust on someone else doing it.
16:33:58	bluebrother	a better way would be to save some state instead, like mp3lame does
16:35:26	bluebrother	having some state structure could also simplify function calls a lot
16:35:50	bertrik	ah, and you can't allocate a buffer and pass that to mkamsboot because you don't know in advance how big it will be
16:37:01	bluebrother	yes (well, the way it's done right now)
16:37:44	pamaury	but mkimxboot is not better right ?
16:38:08	bluebrother	the loading (and allocation) could be done outside of mkamsboot though.
16:38:22	bluebrother	haven't checked that. If it uses the same kind of logic it's not better, I'm afraid
16:40:24	pamaury	mkimxboot does everything based on filenames
16:40:46	pamaury	but I will need change that in future versions
16:41:19	bluebrother	why that?
16:41:47	bluebrother	the other annoying thing is how mkamsboot returns error messages. That makes it impossible to translate some errors. Like the one with known firmware versions
16:43:44	pamaury	ah no sorry, that's the sb api which I will change
16:43:54	pamaury	mkimxboot will stay as it is
16:44:25	pamaury	and mkimxboot has clear error return codes
16:48:29	bluebrother	well, the better.
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16:48:54	bluebrother	though passing FILE* instead of filenames isn't that bad since it avoids converting filenames around between encodings
16:49:02	bluebrother	which might break
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16:49:41	pamaury	can you passe CRT object like FILE * ?
16:50:30	pamaury	also why do you want them as DLL ?
16:50:35	bluebrother	ah right, FILE* is CRt as well
16:50:49	bluebrother	because that's the only way I can use VS on Windows
16:51:10	pamaury	why is that ? can't it link it statically ?
16:52:02	bluebrother	it can't build some of the code, so it needs to be in a DLL created by MinGW
16:52:34	bluebrother	even VS2010 doesn't support C99
16:52:39	bluebrother	which is pretty annoying
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20:15:31	wodz	gevaerts: about what you have doubts with HD200 - I can't understand from the logs?
20:17:59	gevaerts	wodz: there's a setting somewhere to flip the display, and targets with separate volume buttons (sometimes) invert those buttons when that's set. Most such players have the volume buttons on the side where I think this makes sense, but the HD200 seems to have them on the top, and I'm not sure if they should be reversed when the display is flipped
20:19:26	wodz	yes, volume buttons are on the top. I would leave it as is
20:19:51	gevaerts	I have to admit that I don't entirely get the usefulness of that "flip display" setting anyway
20:21:23	wodz	its one of this settings of type "we just can do this" I guess
20:25:52	gevaerts	Yes. I wonder if anyone actually uses it
20:28:19	wodz	gevaerts: any progress with mrobe100?
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20:29:09	bertrik	gevaerts, I think pixelma once told me she uses it
20:29:23	gevaerts	no. I can reproduce it, but the total lack of clues means I haven't done much about it. Also, while I do own an mr100, I don't know much about it
20:32:05	wodz	gevaerts: is enough to revert just this one commit?
20:32:32	wodz	I mean to restore sound
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20:33:09	gevaerts	Sound works in the revision before it. I don't think it's possible to revert that commit from HEAD
20:35:47	funman	does jhMikeS have an idea about it ?
20:36:44	bertrik	perhaps just lack of memory?
20:37:22	gevaerts	bertrik: it has 32MB
20:39:08	bertrik	does sound work with the fallback (no theme) theme?
20:39:28	gevaerts	I haven't tried that. Good idea
20:39:39	gevaerts	The buffering thread data in the debug menu look normal. Everything works as far as I can see, just not as far as I can hear...
20:39:56	funman	hum and now i remember jean-louis(?) mentioned different themes affected USB on AMSv2
20:40:08	lebellium	yep, my them
20:40:10	lebellium	theme
20:41:17	gevaerts	failsafe doesn't change things
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21:10:09	AlexP	bertrik: Seems to work fine
21:10:26	AlexP	the cross fucntions are reversed, as is the volume rocker
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21:11:09	AlexP	Although I fail to see why anyone would want an upside down ,ode
21:11:11	AlexP	*mode
21:11:47	gevaerts	Australians, maybe?
21:12:13	AlexP	Could be
21:12:27	AlexP	Although seeing as they are also upside down, it would appear to be correct to them
21:13:13	wodz	kugel: how does configure determine arm variant?
21:15:37	CIA-44	Commit 05ebf79 in rockbox by Rafaël Carré: configure: remove support for ARM non EABI compiler
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22:44:31	bertrik	AlexP, thanks for testing
22:45:37	bertrik	gevaerts, still no luck with the mrobe?
22:45:53	gevaerts	bertrik: I'm not actively working on it
22:48:49	AlexP	bertrik: no worries
22:49:12	AlexP	who worked on the mrobe port?
22:55:29	bertrik	Mark Arigo and Robert Kukla it seems
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22:57:48	AlexP	Hmmm, neither are around too much
22:57:58	AlexP	Just thinking they might have some idea :)
22:59:09	bertrik	I wonder if it also affects the mr-500, or if it happens in the sim too
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23:01:16	bertrik	gevaerts, have you checked the stacks?
23:01:20	gevaerts	yes
23:07:09	bertrik	hm, audio plays in the sim, but the theme doesn't look quite right
23:07:28	bertrik	I don't see the artist/song name in the WPS for example
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23:16:26	bertrik	and UP seems to act as both UP and as PLAY
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23:18:02	bertrik	oh, and now I have a negative number of bytes allocated in the mem allocs screen in the sim
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23:29:41	CIA-44	Commit e92fbb4 in rockbox by Bertrik Sikken: FS #10345 - Gigabeat: Switch volume buttons in Upside Down mode
23:31:39	CIA-44	e92fbb4 build result: All green
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