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#rockbox log for 2012-04-17

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00:15:12[Saint]Misanthropos: any visual indication of a running sleep timer would be entirely theme-dependant.
00:15:30[Saint]I know cabbie certainly doesn't have one.
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00:22:49Misanthropos[Saint], i meant something like the dice for shuffle ... just wanted to know if there is anything symbol for the sleep timer
00:23:01Misanthroposbut i guess there is none (yet)
00:23:48[Saint]There probably wont be, either.
00:24:23[Saint]Unless someone gets the incentive to tweak the statusbar iconset.
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01:10:07[Saint]Misanthropos: for what its worth, it would be rather trivial for you to add this yourself if you desire it.
01:10:38[Saint]I could look into it, it sounds mildly useful, but it wouldn't be today.
01:11:55[Saint]And if I did so, it would only be for cabbie or themes using the built-in status-bar.
01:12:27[Saint]Other themes can do what they wish, there's no consistency required.
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01:28:40Misanthropos[Saint], i did add a sleep timer to the wps and I use just "zZz %bs", the idea was to have a little symbol instead of zZz
01:29:28Misanthroposi agree the usage of an icon itself is mildly useful
01:29:58[Saint]I can certainly add it, but I'm rather busy today.
01:30:23[Saint]And as I said it would only be for themes using the built-in status-bar.
01:30:34Misanthroposright - i see
01:30:51Misanthroposwhere would you place that icon? in icons? or is it a font?
01:31:17Misanthroposor is it rather defined by the theme?
01:31:48[Saint]It would live in the bitmapstrip for icons in the built-in status-bar source.
01:31:57[Saint]Which is essentially a theme
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01:36:23Misanthroposok - i will have a look there then
01:36:28Misanthroposthank you
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02:46:49funmanhttp://www.mentor.com/embedded-software/sourcery-tools/sourcery-codebench/evaluations/arm-gnulinux# target device selection shows 4 AMS SoCs
02:46:54funmanincluding as3525A and as3525B
02:52:31funmanhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/log-20081216#20:06:48 as3525b is not a novelty though
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03:55:42[Saint]What criteria decides who gets a rockbox icon prepended to their nick in the Rockbox irc logs?
03:56:32shamusomg the new build of rockbox is sweet i cant belive that I will never have to see the darn "databae refresh" again on my clip + you go guys
03:56:38[Saint]My assumption is "has a Rockbox staff" hostmask?
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03:57:39saratogafunman: the datasheet we have from AMS is for both the A and B version, the difference is just the pinout and memory controller IIRC
03:59:04[Saint]shamus: indeed. it has been possible to enable USB on these devices for quite some time, but it was only recently applied to all AMSv2 devices.
03:59:26[Saint]Its still not guaranteed to work in all cases, though.
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04:00:33shamusright and rember to update the bootloader when updating rockbox
04:00:52saratogai assume the log script has a list of rockbox committers and is using that
04:01:12funman[Saint]: aaah alright
04:01:43funman[Saint]: probably a whitelist
04:02:46*[Saint] wants a fancy icon.
04:02:55shamusone thing i have wondered for a while but never asked has anyone tried porting rockbox to the neuros dac (digital audio computer)?
04:03:14[Saint]If Llorean gets one...I should be able to too! ;p
04:03:34shamushave an 80 gig one lieing around that have been collectign dust
04:03:36[Saint]shamus: probably not.
04:03:36saratogasearch and see if anyone has
04:03:42shamusnot sure it's specs
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04:04:40[Saint]there's a lot of Rockbox that isn't device specific, but someone still needs access to the target in question, and the incentive to do so.
04:05:09[Saint]Even for an experienced developer, a new port is many hundreds of hours work.
04:05:12funman[Saint]: probably ask zagor
04:05:22funmanwork, and frustration
04:05:28shamusright but if i recall the dac is mostly dsp based
04:06:03[Saint]shamus: at this point, he ideal person to do he work is you yourself.
04:06:18[Saint]This likely won't change. ;)
04:06:51[Saint]*do the work
04:07:47shamusyea im cluses about the internals of the thingy but i rember the big woop back in the day about it beign a fully opensource device but seams neuros is buarign it in the drawas of long fogoten devices
04:08:14funmanshamus: well neuros runs linux do not they?
04:08:31shamusthink thats what they clamed at tien time
04:08:33funmanoh there was a portable player sorry, i m confused with the TV box
04:08:38shamusknow the osd dose
04:08:54[Saint]If the firmware is indeed open source, then you've got a great advantage.
04:09:03funmanOSD is an arm board with linux indeed
04:11:05shamusthe dac III never saw the light of day
04:11:39[Saint]The "NewPorts" wiki page is probably a good read for you.
04:12:09[Saint]It outlines the bare minimum steps required to get a new port off he ground.
04:12:31[Saint]*off the ground
04:14:55shamusbummer it is completely DSP-based
04:15:04shamushttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus
04:20:27shamuslooks like the sorces for the firmware have gone belly up as well.
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04:22:45[Saint]You could still get them upon request.
04:24:42shamustrue but given the lack for a cpu on the system it would probably be surprisingly difficult to build for it.
04:26:00saratogai think ti did eventually provide a compiler for their dsp system
04:26:44saratogai don't know how suitable the hardware is though, you'll want a 32 bit system for rockbox
04:26:58shamushttp://open.neurosaudio.com/archives/2004/12/why_neuros_is_r.html
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04:34:41shamusim thinking it's just to old and slow
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04:42:05shamusim thinking the key reasion oneone has done a rockbox port to the Neuros Digital Audio Computer II is the simple fact that it's a bulky unpderpowerd device that is a brick
04:42:17shamusno one
04:43:22shamusi still cant belive how fast time flys i rember it like yesterday getting that monster for the time it was a sweet device.
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05:08:08shamushum looks like it's runnign a TLV320AIC23GQE
05:09:50shamusand a TMS320DA150
05:09:50shamusEJ004A2 for the dsp board
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05:15:22shamuslooks like the TMS320DA150 DSP is a 16-bit fixed-point dsp
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05:35:44shamusfound the firmware sources as well http://neuros-firmware.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/neuros-firmware/neuros-firmware/
05:35:53shamuswow they havbe not been tuched in 7 years
05:35:57shamusdam time flys
05:36:16saratogai know nerochiaro
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05:36:27saratogahe ported some of our codecs to some open neuros platform a while back
05:37:12shamusyea the osd and the newer enruos stuff is much more frendly
05:37:21shamusthe old dac II is a bitch
05:37:35shamusdam ti dps hell
05:38:35shamushttp://web.archive.org/web/20080819214147/http://neuros-firmware.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/view/Main/HowtoCompile
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06:53:18funmansaratoga: i think nerochiaro left neuros for fluendo a while ago
06:53:42saratogaah ok
06:53:45saratogawas many years ago anyway
06:54:54shamusyea the years just fly by
06:56:41shamusim sure somone somewhere is still working on neuros products but odds are it's not the old DAC. odd are there workign on the osd or some other flashy video gadgit thingy
06:57:04shamusneuros long ago abandoned there high quality audio devices
06:58:39shamushttp://wiki.neurostechnology.com/index.php/Open_Source_Projects
06:59:30*funman suggests moving neuros topic on #rockbox-community
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07:00:16shamusthir's a comunity room?
07:01:03funmanyes, we try to keep #rockbox on topic only (it makes it easier to read logs and to translate from english)
07:01:24shamusoh good point
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07:23:13shamusanyone working on any cool or unique new demos or apps for rockbox?
07:23:28shamushave not seen a new app in a while
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08:03:49kuldeepdhakahelp: i need the datasheet of rockchip 27xx mp4.
08:06:39kuldeepdhakahelp me guys: i need the datasheet of rockchip 27xx mp4.
08:09:23JdGordonread the link in the channel topic
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08:12:10wodzkuldeepdhaka: ask google for "Porsche 9 datasheet"
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08:13:16wodzds is not 100% accurate though
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10:28:47Zagorbluebrother: I got a mail from a user saying rbutil tried to download http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-rockbox-ipodmini1g.pdf
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12:44:00wodzcan someone ban antil33t please
12:45:22Torneoh, yeah
12:45:22Torneone mo
12:45:28Mode"#rockbox +o Torne" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
12:45:41Mode"#rockbox +b *!~Ahurhurr@101.98.*$##fix_your_connection" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
12:45:41WarnBanlist contains 20 bans!
12:46:29Tornei'm guessing we don't need any of the other bans in that list, tbh
12:46:32Tornethey are hundreds of days old
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12:48:27Mode"#rockbox -bb *!*@rrcs-97-77-51-170.sw.biz.rr.com *!*0c9f3043@*" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
12:48:34Mode"#rockbox -bbbb *!*4b308342@* *!*bobo@d36-140-49.home1.cgocable.net *!*clemens@*.ewe-ip-backbone.de *!*jonath*@*.x.pppool.de" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
12:48:37Mode"#rockbox -bbbb *!*Sajber@*.tbcn.telia.com *!54a0c8a7@* *!50993c69@* *!*da107b9b@*" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
12:48:39Mode"#rockbox -b *!*d054895b@*.haxx.se" by Torne (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne)
12:48:45Torneokay that's tidier.
12:49:33Tornetjhose names
12:49:39Torneoops
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13:55:16kugelZagor: ping
13:55:43Zagorpong
13:56:36kugelI would like to bump the required android sdk to 4.0.3
13:57:29gevaertskugel: that's just the build requirements, right?
13:57:35kugelyes
13:58:19ZagorI have no objections
13:59:13gevaertsThat means adding an a new toolchain to the build system I guess
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14:01:32Zagortechnically, yes. but there are only three clients that build android so pragmatically we don't have to do a formal upgrade
14:01:47Zagor(me, kugel & amiconn)
14:02:23gevaertsI think we should. The current one is called android30, using that to mean android403 is confusing
14:02:47kugelit should have the api level, not android version, too
14:03:13Zagorgevaerts: fair enough
14:03:52gevaertshttp://gerrit.rockbox.org/215 for the client I think
14:04:23gevaertskugel: for the current one we use "android30" as the name, which checks for API level 11
14:04:32kugeli know
14:04:54kugelthere is also some warning which would be nice to be fixed
14:05:09gevaertsWe could use android15 now too I guess, instead of android403 (which I used in my attempt)
14:05:27gevaertsI don't mind either way
14:05:44kugelwell, then we should remove the android30 check too, or we run into problems in the far future :)
14:07:05gevaertsProbably, yes
14:23:44kugelgevaerts: will you do it?
14:24:49gevaertskugel: if you want it fast, it's better if you do it
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14:29:09Tornei would suggest you use the actual sdk+ndk versions, not the api level
14:32:43Tornethe SDK and NDK get released independantly of there being a new API, and at least hte NDK has fixes that affect compilation sometimes :)
14:35:44Zagoragreed, sdk version is better than android version
14:36:36kugelTorne: disagreed. the installed sdk version doesnt relate to the android versions you can build for
14:36:52kugeli can have the latest sdk which can only build for 1.6
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14:37:59kugelwe don't have a means to check the ndk version
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14:38:49TorneWell, then we need *all three*& things, ideally :)
14:39:05TorneThere are important bugfixes to the native toolchain in NDK releases which are independant of SDK or API level
14:39:16Tornei'm not saying rockbox depends on them now, but it might, conceivably
14:39:24Torne(i know the guy here who does the NDK releases :)
14:40:30kugeltell him he did a bad job recently :p
14:40:46Tornei assume you're referring to 7b :p
14:41:32Zagorandroid 4.0.3 isn't an sdk version at all, so I don't see how that is better than android15
14:41:34Torneanyway, yeah, the sdk release is less important, but i would suggest we require NDK release 7c if reasonable, because toolchains are just, ugh
14:41:57TorneZagor: er, yeah. the sdk release is r18
14:42:00Tornesorry :)
14:42:16Torner18 is the one that adds support for 4.0.3, which is why these things get conflated a lot :p
14:42:45ZagorTorne: not r16? http://developer.android.com/images/sdk_manager_packages.png
14:42:59Zagoroh, "not installed"
14:43:21Tornedefinitely r18. the sdk "release" refers to, basuically, the package manager and friends :p
14:43:25ZagorETOOMANYVERSIONS
14:43:27Torneeverything else is versioned as well
14:43:36TorneSo yeah, my install here probably has >10 version numbers involved
14:43:41Tornebecaue i have loads of different packages
14:43:52ZagorI withdraw my opinion. just do the right thing :-)
14:44:08Tornefor our purposes i would suggest we want to care about the NDK version. the SDK version probably doesn't matter a great deal, just which API level we have the libs for
14:44:21Tornebut, i guess we haven't been caring about the ndk version up till now..
14:44:25Torneso, hey
14:44:34Tornei'm not actually working on the android port, someone who is can decide :p
14:48:51kugelit would be nice if the ndk version could be checked as well
14:49:46Torneregardless of which api we target we are likely to want the latest ndk, because newer toolchain is less busted toolchain (also maybe, yaknow, better)
14:50:54kugelrbclient.pl can only check one tool right now
14:52:00Zagorthat's easily fixed
14:52:08Tornecouldn't the toolname be of the form android15-ndk7c though?
14:52:36Torne(i have never looked at the build system scripts) :)
14:52:37Zagorthe name doesn't have to contain the version numbers. it can be android_b
14:52:51Zagorthe versions to be checked are in the rbclient.pl script
14:52:58Torneah
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15:05:23gevaertsThe main "problem" is that versions are currently checked by running one command and checking for a given output string, so it is a bit of work
15:10:42Zagorhow do you check the version of your installed ndk?
15:11:44Torneer, no idea.
15:12:28*Torne pokes it
15:13:39kugelZagor: cat $ANDROID_NDK_PATH/RELEASE.txt
15:13:48Torneah, yes
15:14:55Zagorgood
15:14:56Tornewe're not completely unhelpful :p
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16:43:28kugelZagor: you didn't do anything about the sdk/ndk version did you?
16:43:38Zagornot yet, no
16:43:45Zagorwas thinking about doing it :)
16:44:20kugelheh, i hoped you did something :p
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16:57:58kugelZagor: is http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/215/ fine?
16:58:16kugel(patch set 2 is mine)
16:58:37kugeloh wait, I wanted to make it android15
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17:01:11kugelbetter now
17:03:56Zagorkugel: looks fine. gotta go now though.
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17:05:31CIA-44Commit e43b856 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Jonathan Gordon) skin_engine: rework the parser to be closer to the langauge grammar.
17:05:38kugelahh
17:05:41kugelthat was the wrong tab!
17:06:14kugel:'(
17:07:28kugelhm the revert button just opens a new ticket
17:07:45CIA-44Commit 728db21 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: Revert "skin_engine: rework the parser to be closer to the langauge grammar."
17:08:06CIA-44e43b856 build result: All green
17:11:07CIA-44728db21 build result: All green
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17:11:24kugelit doesnt look like I can re-open g#214?
17:15:08CIA-44Commit 78dae07 in www by 03Thomas Martitz: buildserver: Bump android requirement and add android15 toolchain (remove android30 in exchange).
17:17:23kugelI didnt add ndk checks for now
17:20:53CIA-44Commit 0d93677 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: android: bump target platform version to 4.0.3 (this time for real).
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17:20:59CIA-44Commit 4269934 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: touchscreen/lists: fix two regressions
17:21:28gevaertskugel: does at least one client advertise the new toolchain?
17:21:38kugelmine, yes
17:21:42gevaertsok
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17:23:34CIA-444269934 build result: All green
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17:28:18kugelI updated my dynamic_lcd branch on kugel-/rockbox/tree/dynamic_lcd">https://github.com/kugel-/rockbox/tree/dynamic_lcd
17:28:22kugelworks for 480x800 now too
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18:43:14saratogagevaerts: can i close FS #12583 ?
18:43:14fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12583 3Rockbox stalls my computer's BIOS (bugs, unconfirmed)
18:43:58gevaertssaratoga: I'm not sure
18:44:14saratogai don't see what we can do about a BIOS problem on his computer
18:44:44gevaertsThat's true, but are we sure it's really a BIOS problem? I think it is, but...
18:45:22gevaertsOn the other hand we're also not very likely to get real information about it I think
18:46:43saratogaif a computer doesn't boot due to a USB device, something is wrong
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18:48:27*gevaerts nods
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18:50:44saratogaFS #12547
18:50:45fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12547 3Audio level different between Radio FM and Music Playback (bugs, unconfirmed)
18:51:09saratogahas anyone noticed this? i guess maybe when we adjusted the HP amp volume a while back we didn't adjust the radio gain the same
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18:55:21AlexPgevaerts, saratoga: I have a cheap 10 port USB hub (i.e. multiple chained hubs) that froze a PC during POST fwiw
18:55:42AlexPThe affected mobo is no longer in a PC so I can't test with Rocbox sadly
18:55:57AlexPAlthough I think it is in the loft somewhere :)
18:56:43gevaertsI guess it can be closed as unlikely to be a rockbox bug
18:58:52pixelmaI've seen this computer stalls to boot with USB device plugged on a few computers with my M5 - that is the Cowon loader then though, so not Rockbox'S. I've always assumed that they try to boot off of the USB device
18:59:22pixelmaand don't find the operating system on it, I mean
18:59:52pixelmaok, that bug report is slightly different
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19:19:37kugelI have also seen this on my machine but I always suspected a bios bug
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19:44:45n1smy machine won't boot with my fuze connected IIRC
19:45:44saratogais it due to USB HID or due to it trying to find an operating system on the device?
19:46:24kugelit's trying to boot off it
19:47:33kugelchecking if it can boot from the device can take a while (on some machines at least) apparently
19:47:52n1si think my machine just freezes, naturally i don't trigger this often
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20:16:39bertrikis there some kind of way to debug skin_engine / skin_parser stuff?
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20:23:47piggzhi....collected new car, Kia Ceed with Kia ipod cable....the compatibility seems patchy on my IPod Video.....sometimes the car sees it as a plain AUX connection, others in full Ipod mode. When on IPod mode, the display on the radio went kinda corrupt as it displayed crazy characters....and i also think it crashed rockbox at one time :) any tips?
20:24:06piggzofcourse, all this is moot if the wife crashes it on her first drive!
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20:31:28fredbauergit question: If I have about seven separate patches that I use should I make git branches for all these? Can I apply the changes from every branch to compile without merging each with master?
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20:35:38kugelyou can do whatever you like locally :p
20:38:10fredbauerHaha
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20:47:49bertrikfredbauer, I think you and AndyP are the only ones actively working on IAP, right
20:49:59fredbauerbertrik: I'm not working on IAP...
20:51:26bertrikoh sorry, got you confused then with someone else who does work on IAP, I think
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20:59:52saratogafredbauer: if the patches are all for the same thing, i'd make one branch and then sequentially commit each locally as it was finished
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21:00:01saratogaif they're different things, i'd make branches
21:00:08saratogabut i may not be using git correctly
21:02:59fredbauersaratoga, yes, they're separate patches ( changes to the keyboard, text editor, 10 band eq, lower clocks, etc.) What I'm trying to figure out is can I check out branches A, B, and C at the same time without merging everything.
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21:05:43bertrikfunman, do you know which AMSv2 targets specifically don't use 1970/1/1 as the base date for the RTC (but 1972/1/26 instead)?
21:06:10bertrikit seems the sansa clip zip does use 1970/1/1
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21:35:23CIA-44Commit a92a0fe in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: as3514 rtc: sansa clip zip uses 1970/1/1 base date instead of special AS3525v2 date
21:37:34CIA-44a92a0fe build result: All green
21:40:25bertrikuh oh, what happened to sansa clip binsize (-1696)
21:42:44MisanthroposI like to push some changes to gerrit for review - but cant. instead i get this: error: failed to push some refs to 'ssh:// ...' any ideas what i am missing?
21:43:52Misanthroposdo i have to use the sandbox?
21:44:20n1sMisanthropos: have you followed the guide in the wiki?
21:44:48Misanthroposmostly - i have ssh, openID, and did a rebase
21:45:03bertrikare excess initializers bad?
21:45:28Misanthroposn1s, i think i found something ... will try that
21:46:09n1sbertrik: excess how?
21:46:49bertriklike in /home/bertrik/rockbox.git/rockbox/apps/gui/wps.c:115:13: warning: excess elements in array initializer [enabled by default]
21:47:12gevaertsI'd say they definitely aren't *good*
21:47:52bertrikI get that when compiling the mr100 sim in debug and logf mode
21:48:23n1sah, no that sounds bad, i'm not really sure what will happen though
21:48:52n1si though you might mean like initing a var and always overwriting that value
21:49:03bertrikand a segfault when trying to run the ./rockboxui
21:50:22Misanthropos! [remote rejected] HEAD -> refs/for/master (you are not allowed to upload merges) ???
21:51:34n1sbertrik: iirc logf on remote lcd targets output the messages to the remote so there's probably some clash with that
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21:53:23bertrikI'll disable LOGF
21:53:28Misanthropossorry, for the last message - i took a different branch :-/
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