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#rockbox log for 2012-04-19

00:00:03 Quit ender` (Quit: In every computer error, there are at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer.)
00:00:03davonever tried to make a theme before
00:00:39davoit says on the page for the theme that it has been tested with 3.11
00:00:44davobut doesn't mention 3.11.2
00:00:53n1sshould not matter
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00:01:23davothanks for the help so far
00:01:56gevaertsNothing theme related changed between 3.11 and 3.11.2. However, "works with" means it passes the necessary syntax checks and similar things, it doesn't mean someone loaded it in 3.11 and verified it visually
00:01:58n1si was more meaning, did you test it on a release to see if the issue is there too
00:02:00davodo you know what could be causing it? the theme has a very high rating so i assume it's not normally an issue, as the now playing text appears for half a second occasionally but spends most of the time vanished
00:02:39davoi tried it on 3.11.2 and then on today's build and the up to date release that was from yesterday
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00:05:24gevaertsMaybe ask about it on the forums (in the "Theming and Appearance Customization" subforum). The forums are much more popular with themers than irc
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00:09:57davothank you
00:10:10davotried it in simulation and it happened too
00:10:24davoso i guess it's definitely a problem with the theme file
00:10:25davothanks!
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01:55:36funmanwhy don't we use MMU/MPU yet at least for read-only memory ?
01:57:21funmani am pretty sure i mentioned it in the past but iirc i was convinced that it would be useless or quite hard to implement
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02:09:08saratogafunman: use it to remap the address space or?
02:10:26funmanto detect invalid memory usage (writes in read-only memory)
02:11:07funmanbut technically we would have 2 big memory zones (RO and RW), so invalid writes could still happen in RW memory without being noticed, and there would be not much chance that it lands in RO zone
02:13:03funmanideally we would interleave RO and RW zones, the 926ej-s can define a protection bit for 1kB pages
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02:13:30funmanfrom linker point of view i wouldn't know how to do the interleaving though
02:15:14saratogawhat would you put in the RO memory?
02:15:22saratogacode?
02:15:41funmancode and const data
02:16:19saratogai think that would be neat to have
02:16:25saratoganot sure we need interleaving though
02:16:28funmani.e. .text and .rodata sections
02:16:44saratogai have no idea how you tell gcc about such things though
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02:24:53funmannewer ARMs have NX protection too but i dont think it's very useful for us - it's mostly to protect against exploits because branching to invalid location crashes quickly
02:25:36funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyNoMalloc : not sure if section 6. is really relevant (or correct)
02:31:02saratoga#5 ? it was true up until more recently
02:31:14saratogaARM 9 stuff and newer pretty much always has an MMU though
02:31:44funmanthe 940 (nano2g) only has MPU
02:34:22funmanwell what i was thinking is detect buffer overflows
02:34:38funmani.e. writes in writable memory that overlaps
02:34:45funmanoverflows*
02:35:04funmanbut with this scheme it would have to overflow hundreds of kBs before being noticed
02:36:04saratogais it hard to implement? sounds like it might be worth having anyway
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02:39:34funmannot really
02:39:50funmanmostly it's setting the bits correctly for each memory region
02:40:02funmannow it uses big pages (1MB) and we should use 1kB or 4kB
02:40:22funmanhttp://git.tkgeisel.com/?p=lk.git;a=summary (just found about it) uses 1MB too
02:48:18saratogaif its easy, why not use it
02:50:08funmanthe PDF is boring :)
02:50:32funmani'm looking at Linux code for arm926ej-s
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02:50:46NotJimCarreysvn down?
02:50:56funmansince a few months yes
02:51:11NotJimCarreydamn, finally got around to updating too
02:51:13funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit
02:51:17NotJimCarreyoh
02:52:23NotJimCarreyty
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06:11:14ungaliOn Ipod Classic running e92fbb4-120415 rockbox panic crashes on boot. I'm fairly certain this is tied to a mistake I made in creating a tagivn_custom.config file, which I am unable to delete due to the aforementioned inability to boot. Would I be able to delete the file in another manner?
06:11:58saratogai guess you can't get into USB?
06:12:46ungaliNope. The only thing I've been able to think of would be to use one of the embios python scripts.
06:13:25saratogaeven if you plug in USB before powering on the player?
06:13:52ungaliDoesn't work.
06:14:13ungaliTried at all stages of boot.
06:15:48ungaliGotta go.
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06:17:59saratogalooking at the code, USB mode happens before the tagnavi file is loaded, so I its probably not that
06:43:50[Saint]I guess you could do something crazy enough to *completely* trash the FS...but it would only be related to tagnavi coincidentally.
06:44:43[Saint]saratoga: the Classic doesn't have bootloader USB or an OF to fall back to.
06:44:54saratogayeah i know
06:45:29[Saint]so, if it don't boot...you're pretty much screwed (barring emcore access, which "normal" people fail at)
06:46:30[Saint]the easiest option for Joe Average in this position is to whack it in DFU mode and restore with iTunes.
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09:44:19___s3b3_hi everybody, i am using rockbox with my sansa clip+, unfortunaly the power button is broke, and when accidently holding play to long i am stuck in pitch feature mode, and cant go back cause of the missing button :// so is there any way to "disable" the pitch feature any Any help would be most welcome, thanks
09:47:15GodEater____s3b3_: only by patching the source code and compiling yourself a custom build I think
09:47:18GodEater_it's a non-trivial task
09:48:33___s3b3_hmmm alright thanks for the nfo
09:49:07___s3b3_or there is is theme in which this feature is by default disabled ?
09:49:11___s3b3_maybe?
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10:06:03GodEater_it's not possible to disable it in a theme. Themes are graphical, they don't change the behaviour of the software.
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15:39:22CIA-44Commit 8361c1d in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x/hm801: Buttons rework.
15:39:23CIA-44Commit 6ee3fc8 in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm801: Add support for plugins.
15:39:24CIA-44Commit 397863a in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x: Add support for plugins.
15:39:26CIA-44Commit 1793090 in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x: Update keymaps.
15:39:27CIA-44Commit 95a333b in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm801: Update keymaps.
15:39:28CIA-44Commit 8187d8d in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x: Use binary search in button driver.
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15:41:38Zagorwodz: I'd like to add rockchip autobuilds. is there any reason not to?
15:42:22CIA-4495a333b build result: All green
15:47:41mortalisZagor: It would be nice to fix some warnings first.
15:47:54Zagorare there many?
15:48:43mortalisZagor: most of them in usb driver, which is not working yet.
15:50:20Zagornot working is fine. warnings are a bit annoying though.
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16:42:36ariiiHi! Just about to install rockbox on sansa clip+. Getting this error " Problem detected: Target mismatch detected. Installed target sansa clip zip. Selected target sana clip+
16:43:45funmanariii: delete .rockbox folder from your player perhaps
16:44:01ariiiehms
16:44:13ariiiit's a new player just took it out of package
16:44:19ariiii did have a sansa clip zip before though
16:44:40funmanah i thought 'installed target' was detected by .rockbox folder
16:45:35marazusb driver problem perhaps?
16:46:10ariiino idea
16:46:21ariiithats why im here :P
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16:47:18funmanreset/delete rbutil config perhaps
16:51:31ariiinevermind
16:51:50ariiiseems id had choosed correct sansa clip+
16:51:53ariiibut took wrong disk
16:52:06ariiihad to change to partition F:\
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17:00:19janus_hello
17:00:39janus_i have flashed a sandisk clip zip
17:00:47janus_BUT, where the hell is the lockscreen
17:01:48janus_it dont enables after a few seconds, even no minutes and i cant found any option to set the button which activates it, but there must be a lockscreen oO
17:02:04janus_i hope that there is a lockscreen....
17:02:21Zagorjanus_: home+select. http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipzip/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-500004.3.1
17:03:33janus_mhh thanks, sounds good, if i get out which button is what i try
17:04:01*gevaerts recommends reading at least the first few chapters of the manual
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17:05:53janus_awesome, thanks very much!
17:05:53Zagorouch, the clip zip manual is missing the intro picture with button names
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17:06:15janus_its middle and button back
17:06:44Zagorjanus_: excellent!
17:07:47janus_is there any graphical more exiting theme out there :P
17:08:21janus_i know simplistic is good, but on that small thing, i just want some big icons or pictures to select menus
17:08:37Zagorjanus_: you mean beyond these 18? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansaclipzip
17:10:13janus_yeah, they all text based
17:10:19janus_is that normal for rockbox?
17:10:42janus_i just use rockbox to get a rid of the eu noise level shit of 25db
17:11:26Zagoroh you meant the menus. yes, the user interface is menu based.
17:11:35janus_but i think its also nice to have that database and dont think about if the music u want to hear is on internal of external memory
17:12:55janus_what is ##PORT# folder?
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17:15:27janus_its using 210mb
17:16:02dfktit's for the stock firmware, presumably some MTP stuff - you can safely delete it
17:16:05Zagorthat's not ours
17:16:19funmanZagor: yes the manual for the zip still needs love
17:16:56janus_okey cool, thats what i want to hear :D
17:17:08dfktyou can delete the other ## folder too
17:17:10janus_where is the manual, link above?
17:17:43Zagorjanus_: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml and pick your model
17:18:06janus_its my new sport player, but i could see how our relationship will go and then i can write some things whichs missing
17:18:16janus_but it was all so simple, very good
17:18:32janus_just a gui, 2 clicks and it runs
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17:22:51janus_i dont understand the many theme options, but it looks advance, which is very goo :)
17:22:53janus_good
17:23:03Zagorhehe
17:23:15dfkt<janus_> just a gui, 2 clicks and it runs <−− two clicks would be one too much for me ;)
17:26:44janus_hehe
17:26:58janus_okey i need to go, but i come back!
17:26:59janus_cya
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17:33:38gevaertsYou can build a theme that *looks* icon-based (even though it's technically still lists), but I don't think anyone actually has done that yet
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19:05:46piggz_erm, im trying to register on the bug tracker so i can write about my car radio/ipod issues, but when i register, it says the username is taken, but when i try and send an email, it says no user exists!
19:06:30piggz_oh, i got an email anyway...nevermind
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19:27:15AlexPgevaerts: I have!
19:27:21AlexPBut it isn't up anywhere yet
19:27:55gevaertsAlexP: well yes. In that case I have too, but I deleted it accidentally :)
19:28:03*gevaerts does remember showing it to AlexP though
19:28:30AlexPNo, I wrote one
19:28:37AlexPI showed a little vid of it too
19:28:43AlexPBut I can't find the link now
19:28:45*gevaerts nods
19:29:16gevaertsI wasn't being sarcastic. I did have an icon-based c200 theme back in September, which I did show to you at Bletchley :)
19:29:55AlexPAh, sorry :)
19:30:07AlexPI forgot that
19:30:22AlexPI should upload mine at some point
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