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#rockbox log for 2012-04-21

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00:06:11alexbobpit's just a folder on the root of the drive, no?
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00:46:45MisanthroposWilliamC, which device are you using. I remember the Sansa Clip+ operating in two different modes. Maybe you have to switch that mode.
00:48:39MisanthroposThere is some more information here: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37658
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10:19:22kugelsaratoga: ping
10:19:48kugelwhy did you close FS #12650 ?
10:19:49fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12650 3MOD files repeat endlessly (bugs, closed)
10:20:06kugelI mean, I see the reason but I think we should consider changing the behavior
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10:32:45[Saint]Aren't MOD files *supposed* to loop?
10:33:12crwldepends on the file IIRC
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10:34:20marazif they have loop commands
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10:46:53kugel[Saint]: even then, the behavior can be easily obtained by enabling repeat. now non-repeating behvaior cannot be obtained
10:47:22[Saint]well, not "now"...the behaviour hasn't changed.
10:47:27[Saint](afaik)
10:47:59[Saint]I guess that may be what was implied by "not a bug".
10:48:02kugelI think it doesnt matter if they'Re supposed to loop. they are in the context they are made for (a game), not for a music player
10:49:21[Saint]I don't think anyone was saying that the behaviour couldn;t change, but that's a discussion for gerrit when/if someone comes up with a fix.
10:49:35[Saint]I think the closing was more "it was implemented this way, so no, its not a bug".
10:50:02kugelfrom the perspective of the mod creator this may not be a bug, but from the perspective of a rockbox user it may be
10:50:51kugelanyway, I can see it's not a bug as in "it doesnt behave as we intended", however we should consider a change
10:51:05[Saint]Right.
10:51:44[Saint]I'm not saying it shouldn't change/be discussed, but rather that (IMO) "not a bug" is correct.
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10:57:42bertrikDo we have some mechanism to do codec specific settings?
10:58:43JdGordoni believe there is
10:59:53bertrikI remember a similar discussion about a "Stereo" option for sid, where we should have some kind of codec-specific setting
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11:02:33bertrikI see we have rb->set_option(const char* string, const void* variable, ... for plugins
11:04:05bertrik... or is that just the GUI part of doing a setting?
11:15:39kugeldid anyone already have a look at my dynamic_lcd
11:15:46kugeldynamic_lcd branch?
11:16:00kugelkugel-/rockbox/tree/dynamic_lcd">https://github.com/kugel-/rockbox/tree/dynamic_lcd
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11:25:28JdGordonbertrik: yeah, thats not what you want for codecs
11:25:35JdGordonask jhMikeS, i tinhk he added something
11:25:48JdGordonthough i think they just go in the global_settings struct anyway
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12:02:15n1sthere are settings for recording codecs, i don't thing any decoders have settings currently
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12:14:51bertrikwould be nice to have, I'll check out how it's done for encoders
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12:22:45mystica555hmm rockbox.org is being unresponsive (connecting...waiting................................................>>>)
12:22:52mystica555any ideas?
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12:29:14[Saint]mystica555: I'm sure they'd be open to you buying them a shiny new server :)
12:29:21[Saint]that'd fix it.
12:29:35mystica555hehe
12:30:19[Saint]Put it on Twitter...Hell, CyanogenMod managed it :)
12:30:20mystica555managed to get hosting?
12:30:26mystica555or they managed the rockbox server
12:33:16mystica555(english sucks for exact meaning without a lot more words)
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14:54:12gevaerts[Saint]: I'm quite sure the server is fine
14:54:12[Saint]gevaerts: Oh, yes, so am I.
14:54:12[Saint]But if you can trick someone into buying you a shiny new one.. ;)
14:54:12gevaertsYes, true :)
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16:00:48n1sheh, turns out a tweak i made to fix some warning when merging some upstream changes from libtremor actually fixed an actual bug that they later "fixed" upstream :)
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16:24:54CIA-44Commit 2d3c43d in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: skin_engine: rework the parser to be closer to the langauge grammar.
16:27:10CIA-442d3c43d build result: All green
16:27:12JdGordonhehe the website mangles the commit message something shocking :)
16:27:53kugelJdGordon: wasnt this on gerrit
16:27:54kugel?
16:28:44kugelhm you changed the Change-Id line so it went through unnoticed
16:29:17gevaertskugel: was this the one that was accidentally pushed earlier?
16:30:57kugelno, that's yet another Change-Id
16:31:15*kugel suspects JdGordon removed this line when amending
16:31:35JdGordonkugel: being a twat because of your fuck up is not a clever move
16:31:57kugelpardon?
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17:01:36bluebrotheropening tasks "I don't agree with you" seems to be some kind of sport these days?
17:01:39*bluebrother sighs
17:03:14bertrikI don't know if all MODs loop or not, but maybe we could make it a codec option
17:05:18bluebrotherwell, it's definitely debatable if all mods should loop. But since the current codec is intended to always loop it's not a bug it always loops :)
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17:23:04bertrikyes, ok, it makes a bit of a difference if someone just keeps opening tasks when disagreeing, or if someone actually actively tries to come up with a fix or solution
17:33:33kugelmight be me but I find the close message a bit too aggressive
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17:50:17WilliamCWhen do you think Sansa Clip Zip will become stable?
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17:55:22[Saint]WilliamC: sometime between now and possibly never (serious answer).
17:55:58WilliamCSounds more like a dunno.
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17:57:05bertrikI consider it technically stable (at least as stable as the clip+) with mostly trivial stuff missing
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17:57:32WilliamCI'm presently having issues with corruption
17:58:16bertrikscreen corruption? disk corruption?
17:58:21WilliamCdisk
17:59:44bertrikhaven't seen that in a while, perhaps only after USB connection
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18:00:42WilliamCI have a bunch of garbles files in the default theme and I cannot delete it
18:01:52bertrikI think you should first do a checkdisk on the disks and then put clean theme files back
18:02:09WilliamCThe device shuts down when I do checkdisk
18:02:25[Saint]Awesome...
18:02:31[Saint]Sounds fun.
18:02:37bertrikWilliamC, try it in the original firmware then
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18:04:28WilliamCThat worked
18:07:23*[Saint] wonders how chkdsk could trigger a reboot in Rockbox
18:07:33[Saint](fun bugs are fun)
18:08:00[Saint]Sorry, shutdown.
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18:23:34WilliamCMy primary issue is that once Rockbox is in USB mode, it doesn't leave it, even when I unplug it from te USB
18:24:36funmanWilliamC: yes, USB is unstable. And it will not change unless you are working on it.
18:24:43funmanIt's written on rockbox.org like I told you already
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18:32:22pamaurydamn, the plugin lib has too many actions to map :)à
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18:37:49Guest14190Is it possible to transfer WMP ratings to Rockbox on the Fuze V2?
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18:38:18kugelpamaury: huh?
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18:39:06kugelit doesnt (and cannot) handle touchscreens obviously
18:39:24pamauryseven actions to maps, I have exactly eight buttons and two of them are volume up/down and one is the power button so it's completely unnatural
18:39:32kugelwell, it handles touchscreens by mapping the grid mode. but out of luck for absolutie pont mode
18:40:03kugelpamaury: _EXIT and _CANCEL is on the same button on a number of targets
18:40:37[Saint]Baltowolf: no.
18:43:27[Saint]Baltowolf: they're completely different rating systems. It would probably be fairly trivial to knock up a plugin that could do so, though.
18:43:51[Saint]Note: Not saying I'll do so ;)
18:47:22*pamaury wants "make zip" to ignore plugins if plugins are disabled in configure!
18:48:55kugelpamaury: try "make zip NODEPS=1"
18:49:27pamaurythanks
18:53:25pamauryhmm, sound doesn't work on the xfi3 :(
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19:03:05Baltowolf[Saint]: Thanks. :P
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19:07:51WilliamCHow long should it take to build a database on a 4 gig Sansa Clip Zip?
19:08:03WilliamCI'm creating a dumpfile just in case.
19:08:13WilliamCerr log
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19:30:43tony__ok by any way can u install rockboc to a original xbox
19:30:56soapnope
19:32:03[Saint]Perhaps if you managed a debian install on it?
19:33:14[Saint]Whoops, that wasn't supposed to be a question at all.
19:34:28tony__ok i got a question my ipod classic hard drive broke so i replace it witha ipod video hard drive and every thing works except the buttons so i installed rockbox to it and it thinks its a ipod video but buttons do not work an i some how get drivers for the buttons so it will work?
19:36:37funmanno
19:37:29[Saint]Frankly, I'm not even sure what you describe is possible.
19:37:29tony__so ur saying the only way to fix it is to get the right hard drive so it has the right drivers
19:37:43tony__it is
19:37:44funmanno, i mean your buttons are broken
19:38:16funmanor you disconnected them while changing the disk, dunno
19:38:36tony__no becase i can put the old hard drive in and the buttons will start it up but if i put the ipod video hard drive in the buttons wont start it up
19:39:59[Saint]Did you restore the device after switching out the drive?
19:39:59tony__but the old hard drive is stuk in recovery mode and it wont restore and wont show up at all on my computer
19:40:05tony__yes
19:41:43tony__well im only 14 and im relly good at this stuff but every thing works except the buttons but the hold switch dose woek
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19:46:24StalafinThe rb utility is not able to detect the mountpoint and the type of my device (=Clip Zip; I am on Archlinux). So instead I point it at my mount point, /media/sdb/ (mounted via pmount) and select the appropriate device in the rb-util's list. However, the Complete and Minimal Installations in the Quick Start menu are greyed out. Is that normal behaviour?
19:47:11gevaertsI think so
19:47:15Stalafindammit
19:47:18StalafinI should have googled first
19:47:29StalafinSorry there, http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=33407.0 talks about taht
19:47:30gevaertsI believe the quick start menu only applies to stable devices. Use the regular installation tab
19:47:38Stalafingevaerts: thanks!
19:48:28tony__ok i take that back the ipod dose start with the ipod video hard drive in it with the btoons but when its at the menu the buttins do not work
19:48:52tony__but hold dose
19:50:00tony__so im thinking it has diffrent drivers so i want to try to get the ipod classic rickbox drivers and put them on it with the ipod video install
19:51:17gevaertstony__: did the hard drive come from an ipod video with rockbox installed?
19:52:46tony__no i put the hard drive in the ipod classic from a broken ipod video the dock conector was broken but when i restored it and every thing i thought i might put rockbox on it so it installed and the buttons didnt work but everything ellse dose
19:53:15tony__and on its apple firmware the buttons dont work
19:53:34gevaertsOK. If in the apple firmware the buttons don't work, there is a hardware issue
19:54:10[Saint]I, for one, would like to know what steps you took to install Rockbox on this device.
19:54:40[Saint]Or, attempt to.
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19:55:32[Saint]Rockbox Utility certainly doesn't support installationfor this device.
19:55:37tony__ok i had this hard drive from a broke ipod video so i put it in my classic i restored it with itunes then went to rockbox utillity and clicked check for device it found thisipod as a ipod video so it istalled just fine but buttons do not work
19:55:55[Saint]Rockbox Utility doesn't support the Classic.
19:56:11[Saint]So first of all, you installed a wrong build.
19:56:19tony__well it found it as a ipod video i can evan take a schreen shot and show u
19:56:27tony__ya
19:56:34[Saint]Secondly, your hardware is damaged. Rockbox can't make that work.
19:57:10tony__well dont they have the druvers for ipod classic kux it says they support it but not on rockbox utillity
19:57:27gevaertsRockbox Utility will look for an existing rockbox installation first to determine the type of device. If this disk had a rockbox installation on it before you moved it, that would explain Rockbox Utility seeing it as a video
19:58:02tony__nope it was restored and never had rocbox on it
19:58:10tony__untill now
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20:00:46tony__but i can start it up with the buttins but not at the menu
20:01:01tony__sorry for my bad spelling
20:01:10gevaertsWell, anyway, that doesn't change the fact that if the OF doesn't work, rockbox isn't going to change that
20:01:56tony__well ima try restoreing one more time see if it will fix it
20:05:15tony__nope did not work buttons will only start it up but when it boots they dont work any more
20:07:33tony__well now it says ipod photo/U2 4th generation wow
20:08:55[Saint]To be perfectly honest, it doesn't matter what Rockbox Utility says.
20:09:09[Saint]It doesn't support this device, we've said that.
20:09:58tony__well is there any way to install the ipod classic firmware on it kuz its restoreing it with ipod video firmware
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20:10:29[Saint]It certainly is not.
20:10:34gevaertstony__: it would help if you wouldn't use "it" all the time to refer to various things. We don't know what you're thinking when you type...
20:11:01kugel"kuz" is not a word too
20:11:42[Saint]ITunes simply wont install another devices firmware, and even if it tried, it wouldn't succeed.
20:12:30tony__well i guess i need to replace the ipod classic with the exact same hard drive i guess then
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20:13:59[Saint]If you can write to the disk in disk mode, it should be fine.
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20:15:15tony__i can but for some stupid resion the buttons dont work when it starts
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20:16:03tony__in itunes it dose show it as the ipod classic serial number but it sees it as a ipod video
20:16:56tony__wait i take that back it wont
20:17:08dartmouthHow do you launch the simulator in Linux? I have built it, but I don't see how to run it and can't find any docs
20:18:02gevaertsdartmouth: you run the rockboxui binary
20:19:30dartmouthWhere is it built? I have a .rockbox folder in 'simdisk' but I'm not seeing anything that looks like it's an executable, it just looks like the contents of rockbox.zip after compiling for a target
20:20:08gevaertsIt's in the build directory, i.e. the one above "simdisk"
20:21:10dartmouthMaybe I screwed something up, I have 'sim' subdir of 'rockbox', but 'sim' only contains simdisk folder, autoconf.h, make.dep and makefile
20:21:47gevaertsDid you run make clean?
20:21:53gevaertsThat would cause that
20:22:33dartmouthAh no, it was make install, I was assuming it would want to put the files in a specific location or something. Should just be 'make' then?
20:23:49gevaertsYou could try running plain make before running make install, yes. Just running make install should have the right dependencies, but there could be a bug there I guess
20:26:37dartmouthProbably just ignorance on my part rather than a bug, just 'make' worked fine and sim is running :D Thank you very much gevaerts
20:27:25[Saint]Make install would have placed the binary in your home folder, iirc.
20:27:36gevaerts[Saint]: for the sim?
20:27:45*gevaerts disagrees
20:27:57dartmouthI checked, but I didn't see it there unless it's in some subfolder I'm not looking for
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20:28:30[Saint]Ah, shit...sorry, I'm thinking of the sdl app.
20:29:39gevaertsOK, it *is* a bug I think. "make install" for the sim doesn't build stuff first
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20:31:52[Saint]Is it supposed to? Or are you supposed to always do "make && make install"?
20:32:47gevaertsmake install does the right thing for target builds. I don't see why the sim should be different
20:33:41gevaertsWell, make zip does the right thing. I haven't tried make install
20:34:01dartmouthDoubt it would help you much but 'make' had the sim built and running, but I had to 'make install' for the .rocks to show up
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20:34:12dartmouth(In the sim)
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20:34:29gevaertsThat's expected, yes
20:34:31wodzdartmouth: thats expected
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20:36:01wodzhmm, I seem to workaround the issue with buffered writes to lcd controller on rk27xx. test_fps reporst ~100 fps when running @50MHz compared to 16 with HEAD
20:36:26bertriknice
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20:37:04wodzthe downside is that I can't (easily) make partial updates in this mode
20:37:17wodzmortalis: ping
20:37:34mortaliswodz: pong
20:37:46funmanhttp://pastie.org/3829644
20:38:35wodzmortalis: http://www.pastie.org/3829647
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20:38:45funmansaratoga: Torne: ^ I found that I had left AP bits set to 01 (==RW) for all sections, now that I set it to 00 for the read-only region, my clip zip doesn't boot anymore
20:39:00wodzmortalis: this works for me
20:39:51funmanby default all sections are R/W, so no need to explicit for sections pointing to HW registers
20:41:04wodzhmm WPS freezes :/
20:42:39bertrikfunman, some kind of experiment you're doing?
20:44:02funmanbertrik: yes, I'd like to have explicit panics when accessing R/O memory. Perhaps it can point to bugs in buffering system and explain curious bugs
20:44:38funmanRight now I'm trying to make whole sections (1MB wide) read-only, so it is not very useful because an overflow would have to be very big to be noticed
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20:45:18funmanAfter that works I would like to lower VM pages granularity to 1kB (tiny pages, removed from ARMv6 iiuc) or 4kB (small pages)
20:45:51funmanideally we would interleave RO and RW pages so a small buffer overflow would start from a RW page and end in a RO page but I have no clear solution for that part yet
20:48:39davoshould the success of this procedure depend on what rockbox build version i have installed? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Formatting_a_Player_that_cannot_get_past_the_Database_Refresh_in_the_OF
20:49:10mortaliswodz: according to VERT_PERIOD: look at Screen_SetMcuIfWaitTime function in sdk
20:50:20wodzmortalis: yes I found it out recently
20:51:41funmanbertrik: do you know if someone has a JTAGged AMS player?
20:55:38wodzmortalis: with VERT_PERIOD set according to the Screen_SetMcuIFWaitTime() I get heavily distorted display
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20:58:52davowhat is an OF?
20:59:30Bagderoriginal firmware
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21:00:10davooh interesting, thank you
21:05:59wodzBagder: mortalis added hifi's to the build system but they do not show up on current build page. Whats the problem here?
21:10:41*Bagder directs wodz gently to poke Zagor about that issue
21:11:31wodzBagder: no problem. He is not around and I hoped you could fix this as well.
21:11:50BagderI haven't kept up with those details at all so I rather not...
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21:13:44gevaertshm
21:16:43wodzmortalis: You should update frontpage also
21:17:37gevaertswodz: I'm looking at it now
21:18:56CIA-44Commit bba05e1 in www by 03Frank Gevaerts: Fix hifiman and rk27 builds
21:19:14gevaertsNot sure if that's the entire story, but those names should be unique
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21:22:22saratoga_kugel: i want to test battery life on android, you think its more interesting to have the radio on or off for the test?
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21:27:43funmansaratoga: i would guess off, i don't know if radio power usage varies much (e.g. depending on the weather / other radio interferences)
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21:31:26CIA-44Commit bf67511 in www by 03Andrew Ryabinin: frontpage: Move HiFiMANs to unstable.
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21:33:24wodzmortalis: wiki states two types of 601. Do the have different firmware or OF have some detect routine?
21:34:01mortaliswodz: I have firmware
21:34:47wodzmortalis: I mean does the same firmware support both versions?
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21:36:18mortaliswodz: 601 with new displays works only with 0.10 version of firmware. Old works with any firmware.
21:36:42mortalisthey put 2 lcd drivers in 0.10
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21:37:28wodzmortalis: the interesting part is how they are detected
21:38:55mortalisyes, I didn't find out it yet
21:41:30CIA-44Commit 5ed6b7c in www by 03Andrew Ryabinin: Update HiFiMANs pictures.
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21:52:04gumnosI'm having trouble coming up with the right search terms. Is there a way to get «pause» to pause and also rewind something like 5 seconds so that I can restore context on podcasts?
21:53:39gumnos(between the fade-out and the 200% playback speed, it's easy to miss content)
21:56:33gevaertsNot after pause I think, but you can do that on resume (i.e. after stop)
21:57:08gevaertsAnd you can of course also disable the fade
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22:00:14gumnosOkay, killing fade is the easiest way and I'll see if it's still a problem after that
22:00:39gumnosthanks
22:00:44[Saint]I believe you're right, there's no (current) way to rewind upon resuming from pause, but you can do so when resuming from stop.
22:01:00bertrikfunman, no I don't
22:01:06gumnosIs that a start-of-track rewind or a rewind-N-seconds?
22:01:48[Saint]Rewind N seconds from <current position>
22:01:50CIA-44Commit 1060d30 in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x: Fix charger detection.
22:02:58[Saint]I believe it will cross track boundaries if you were to stop at 0:01 and have it set to rewind 10 seconds also.
22:03:35[Saint](Or any number 2 or larger in this instance)
22:03:58CIA-441060d30 build result: All green
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22:08:22mortalisgevaerts: you have fixed build problem. Thanks.
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22:17:57kugelpsaratoga_: we can expect results in about 2 month I guess?
22:18:20saratoga_for a battery bench? i have no idea how long it should take
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22:35:36kugelpsaratoga_: you want to compare to idle phone don't you?
22:36:07funmanperhaps force screen to be on so it discharges much faster
22:36:34funmanand unlike radio it should take the same power during the 2 experiments
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22:37:13saratoga_no compare google music to android
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22:53:01*[Saint] has trouble parsing that.
22:55:35[Saint]I gather there's a bench being performed (on an Android device?), but, what is being compared with what?
22:56:47funmandefault music player, with rockbox, i guess
22:57:03saratoga_google music is the name of the android music app
22:57:26[Saint]Google Music to Android confused me mightily.
22:58:01[Saint]Also, isn't it Play Music now? (pedantic)
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23:03:27[Saint]You'll need to do things like turn off telephony, mobile data, etc.
23:04:13[Saint]Depending on how accurate you'd like it to be of course.
23:08:33saratoga_sorry i meant google music to rockbox on android
23:09:21[Saint]That's what I thought, but, I've made an ass of myself from second-guessing too many times before now :)
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