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#rockbox log for 2012-04-25

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11:17:45wodzhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,34141.0.html <- SPAM
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11:38:30wodzmortalis: ping
11:38:36mortaliswodz: pong
11:39:28wodzmortalis: Do you have 1:1 command mapping If you change to 16bit pixel format? I mean do you need to do some bit mangling?
11:41:00mortaliswodz: No, i don't need to mangle bits
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11:54:01LordVanhi
11:56:10LordVanI read on the wiki that installick rockbox on a Sansa Clip v2 *may* result in *permanently* not being able to play drm'd files .. is anyone here who could shed some light on why/how to avoid it?
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12:01:54KylethedarknUse a DRM stripper for your DRM files?
12:02:24[Saint]Lets not talk about abuse of DRM here please.
12:03:30TorneLordVan: we're not particularly interested in working that stuff out. i doubt most people with a sansa have any files with that kind of DRM on them
12:04:38[Saint]Isn't the issue that we screw up the clock or so? So the offset is then wrong and the OF bitches?
12:04:42Tornethere are some people who experimented on the forum
12:04:51Tornesearch for "sansa drm" or similar
12:04:58[Saint]There's a thread on the forums where a guy worked this out.
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12:05:07[Saint]Ah, snap.
12:05:08Torne[Saint]: that's at least one of the problems, but it's not clear that's the only thing
12:05:56KylethedarknReally? In the chat of an open source project?
12:07:45[Saint]Kylethedarkn: yes, really.
12:08:25[Saint]Open Source != support for unlawful action.
12:09:15drezonAs I wrote here yesterday: Rockbox on Android (3.11.2 and master) is crashing when I play an ogg file and the track changes (to another ogg file). For mp3s and Flacs it works. I know tested 3.10 and that one also works. So some change between 3.10 and 3.11 seems to have broken that.
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12:09:26KylethedarknDiscussion of illegal activity isn't unlawful though.
12:09:41gevaertsKylethedarkn: maybe not, but it's *very* off-topic
12:09:49[Saint]Doesn't mean we have to condone it, or host it here.
12:10:18KylethedarknIt was actually very on topic gevaerts
12:10:29[Saint]No, its not.
12:10:42KylethedarknHmm?
12:10:52Mode"#rockbox +o gevaerts" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
12:10:57gevaertsKylethedarkn: it's not
12:10:57KylethedarknIt was in response to a problem resulting from DRM
12:11:09KylethedarknThat's not on topic?
12:11:17KylethedarknIt was a solution to the possible problem
12:11:47gevaertsHow is it? It's *at most* a legally very dubious workaround
12:12:02[Saint]Rockbox doesn't support any DRM, so....
12:12:37KylethedarknA workaround is still a solution.
12:12:52KylethedarknSaint: But it was a DRM problem resulting from installing rockbox
12:12:57KylethedarknVery relevant
12:13:09gevaertsKylethedarkn: it wasn't, and this topic is now closed
12:13:14drezonThere are almost no changes in libtremor so something else is probably the problem. Also judging from my gdb analysis something is corrupting memory. e.g. some function pointers in ci in codecs.c point to e.g. strcpy+1. A function pointer to an odd address on a 32bit RISC target seems.. odd. :)
12:14:06KylethedarknWhats your issue gevaerts?
12:17:35Mode"#rockbox -o gevaerts" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
12:30:56KylethedarknIgnorance by choice is the epitome of stupidity.
12:31:17KylethedarknWhich you should mention to [Saint] at some point.
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12:34:13Kick(#rockbox Kylethedarkn :take care now! ;)) by [Saint]!~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940
12:35:06Mode"#rockbox -o [Saint]" by [Saint] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940)
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12:36:45Zagornow now, be nice everyone
12:42:58KylethedarknIt seems this channel can only be a tool to me. I will chat if I need help with rockbox. Thanks for the previous help.
12:43:22Topy44thats the point of this channel, yes.
12:43:26Topy44as noted in the topic.
12:43:35[Saint];)
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12:56:32KylethedarknIn relation to that, are their independant updates to specific player versions of rockbox besides the main overall updates?
12:58:21[Saint]No.
12:58:55KylethedarknHow often do the main updates happen then? Is there a weekly build or something to that effect?
12:59:07JdGordonwell, yeah, driver updates might be relevant to only a few targets
12:59:22Zagorofficial releases are made every 3 month
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13:00:23[Saint]JdGordon: I thought the question was "do some targets get updates and others not"
13:00:52[Saint]Even if the update only affects one target, a point release would be made for all.
13:01:12[Saint]Otherwise there's just release and current.
13:01:16Tornewe build every commit for every target except when commits come in too fast. the actual stable releases are every 3 months, ish.
13:01:26TorneOh, that reminds me
13:01:36TorneI think we had universal agreement on changing the release/build/etc terminology
13:01:43TorneDoes someone want to actually, er, do something about that? :)
13:01:50Tornei guess at minimum we need changes to www and rbutil
13:02:03Zagordo? pah, I focus on talking :-)
13:04:15ZagorI'll fix the www later if nobody beats me to it
13:12:50LordVanTorne, ok thanks I will look it up
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13:16:06LordVanhmm
13:16:20LordVannow I am undecided wether I should or should not install rockbox
13:16:30LordVanSince I was considering to get some audible books
13:17:19LordVanon a slightly off-topic note: does anyone happen to know if all audible tracks are drm'd (even the free ones) ?
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13:41:17wodzTorne: Is it possible to compare two patchsets on gerrit?
13:41:39CIA-44Commit b9f9d0d in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: imxtools: fix missing '\n'
13:41:40CIA-44Commit a000990 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: imxtools: fix missing '\n'
13:41:40Torneyes
13:41:44Torneright at the top
13:41:47Tornedropdown to pick versions
13:42:45wodzyou mean 'Old Version History' drop down list?
13:43:39pamauryhmm, why did that commit appeared twice??
13:43:49gevaertsIf all else fails, make two local branches and cherrypick one version of the patch in each
13:44:07pamauryoh, that's not the same, I forgot I fixed two of them :)
13:44:20CIA-44a000990 build result: All green
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13:44:45LordVanhehe
13:45:45LordVananyway for now I guess I will settle with my sansa clip v2 with original firmware and just use rockbox on my N900 ;)
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13:55:32Tornewodz: oh, sorry, it's moved in 2.2 :)
13:56:22Tornehit "patch sets" in the menu bar across the top of the diff
13:56:55TorneOr the old version history, yeah
13:56:58Tornethat also does it :)
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16:03:34CIA-44Commit e8411d4 in www by 03Björn Stenberg: Use new build name scheme
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16:19:56TorneZagor: aha. that looks much better already, on www
16:20:35Tornein fact yeah, that's probably all that needs changing there.
16:20:41Torneso, who wants to change rbutil? :)
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18:41:22n1scould someone able to build for android or the ypr0test build g#137
18:41:24n1s?
18:41:25fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #137 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,137 : Add codecs to librbcodec. by Sean Bartell (changes/37/137/3)
18:44:25wodzn1s: you mean just build or build and test?
18:45:16n1swodz: i think errors will likely cause it to fail to build but build and test is of course better :)
18:45:38n1si would be happy with just build though
18:47:05wodzI can build later today
18:47:12n1swodz: awesome
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19:51:26*pamaury just sent a ladies and gentlemen mail!
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19:57:52n1spamaury: congratulations!
19:58:17pamaurythanks :)
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20:01:11n1swill we need software ftl on these targets for internal flash access?
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20:02:53pamauryn1s: yes
20:03:16pamauryif I understand correctly, the FTL *might* be more or less describe in some stmp"
20:03:21pamaurystmp36xx document
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20:19:14pamauryn1s: actually, not for the creative zen-xfi3 which uses a sd interface for its internal storage so it's much nicer
20:40:35gevaertspamaury: congratulations!
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21:22:08bluebrotheranyone with a working Cygwin build setup around?
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21:40:16wodzn1s: ypr0 compiles ok
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21:56:12n1sgevaerts: care to test build g#137 for android?
21:56:20fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #137 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,137 : Add codecs to librbcodec. by Sean Bartell (changes/37/137/3)
21:56:40n1salso, thanks wodz
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22:02:16gevaertsn1s: seems to build fine
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22:12:15n1sgevaerts: great, thanks!
22:13:25*n1s presses the button
22:13:25CIA-44Commit f40bfc9 in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: (Author: Sean Bartell) Add codecs to librbcodec.
22:16:28CIA-44f40bfc9 build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (Sean Bartell committed)
22:18:50bluebrotherhmpf. Why do I need the cross compiler for creating a SAPI voice with Cygwin on Windows?
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22:28:28saratogawhy did moving the codecs to librbcodec remove the history from the individual files?
22:29:16kugelsaratoga: it didnt. however you need to pass −−follow-renames (or something like that) to git
22:29:28saratogacan we make the web interface do that?
22:29:41n1ssaratoga: because git is retarded with renames
22:29:43kugeldont know
22:30:02kugeln1s: i think svn is the same in this regard
22:30:07saratogagit seems to have a lot of issues for such a popular platform
22:30:35kugelby default anyway, I remember our viewvc instance did follow renames
22:30:41n1skugel: pretty sure svn tracks renames
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22:31:08n1sgit doesn't track them but can detect them
22:31:14kugelgit does too, it just doesnt display them by default :)
22:31:55bluebrothern1s: svn only tracks renames if you tell it to do so. If you don't move the files properly it looses the history ...
22:31:56kugelgit log −−follow <file> it is
22:32:07n1sbluebrother: yes
22:32:30bluebrother(which I find to happen every now and then at work, so I'd prefer some rename *detection* instead)
22:32:54n1sbluebrother: but from what i've been told about git it *only* detects them
22:33:05bluebrotheryes, but that's sufficient afaict
22:33:12n1ssvn mv isn't that tricky...
22:33:52bluebrotherif people are only used to Windows Explorer and (maybe) TortoiseSVN it can be ...
22:33:56bluebrother;-)
22:35:12n1sah so git was designed for windows users :)
22:35:12saratogaso can the web interface be changed to follow renames?
22:36:16bluebrothern1s: well, the rename tracking I think would make a lot of sense on Windows. Maybe they decide to add that at some time?
22:37:39saratogaits surprising to me that this isn't on by default, handling version control across refactoring operations would seem to be a core piece of functionality
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22:47:10n1saccording to the gitweb.conf manpage it should be on by default, however it also says that this rename detection can be cpu intensive so maybe that's why it's desabled
22:57:05saratogaanyway, its great that we now have the codec test program in git
22:57:29saratogamoving forward we ought to consider doing a release of the codec/dsp library separately from rockbox itself
22:57:30n1syeah
22:57:56n1si'll try to look at the rest of wtachi's patches
22:59:26bluebrotheranyone using Cygwin around?
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23:10:59enthdegreei remember when i was young and cookies were a new technology dad lied to me and told me that they were arbitrary code that pornography websites ran on your computer to get you arrested
23:11:38enthdegreeoh snap
23:11:41enthdegreethis is the wrong channel
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23:22:17bluebrotherhmm. Seems the data passed to sapi_voice.vbs is correct :/
23:22:29bluebrotherunless there is something wrong with the process channel
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