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#rockbox log for 2012-04-26

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03:36:40NotJimCarreyanyone know of a way to look inside a UPG file (firmware upgrade file)?
03:40:15[Saint]Google, I suspect.
03:40:47NotJimCarreytried that
03:42:03NotJimCarreyso far, nearly every link just says yup, it's a firmware upgrade file
03:42:51NotJimCarreythat, or it can't be done
03:43:09NotJimCarreyit was done, so it can be undone
03:44:16NotJimCarreytrying to see what i can do with a sony x series mp3 player
03:46:04[Saint]I suspect pretty much any hex editor will do it.
03:50:12NotJimCarreythat too
03:50:18NotJimCarreynothing so far
03:51:18[Saint]Being personally unable to garner useful information from it isn't quite the same as the hex editor nit doing its job.
03:51:23[Saint]*not
03:52:08[Saint]You can't always expect to open something and see a nice human readable directory structure and content.
03:54:13NotJimCarreyi know, that's why i'm still in the hex editor
03:54:52NotJimCarreywas just wondering if anyone had run across it yet since it's fairly common
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04:11:14funmanNotJimCarrey: get another UPG file and compare them
04:15:02NotJimCarreynice idea, thanks
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11:38:21JdGordonso, im back on the filesystem scanning API... I've got an event for: scan start, scan finish, enter dir, exit dir, scan file.. does that sound about right?
11:38:47*gevaerts spots JdGordon
11:39:13JdGordonthen pretty much what happens is at the end of main() something will do file_system_start_scan() to kick off that thread
11:39:39JdGordonhow does the filebrowser handle things while dircache is doing the inital scan?
11:39:42gevaertsJdGordon: I noticed yesterday that my gigabeat F freezes just after showing the menu with the wavy theme with a current build. It works fine with cabbiev2 or 3.11. Any idea apart from bisecting?
11:40:03JdGordoncan you trigger it in the sim?
11:40:13gevaertsI haven't tried yet. Good poing
11:40:15gevaerts*point
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11:50:57gevaertsJdGordon: it happens in the sim too. No segfault or anything like it though. I'll investigate more later
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11:54:16JdGordonok
11:56:57gevaertsHm, it's not entirely frozen. The hold switch indication in the status bar still works. interesting
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12:17:01JdGordonwhat should this scanning thread do for symlinks? follow them and hope we dont cycle?
12:17:34wodzdoes fat support symlinks?
12:17:44gevaertswodz: we don't only run on fat
12:17:49JdGordonno, but the sim and raaa does
12:17:57gevaertsJdGordon: what does the database code do now?
12:18:04wodzahg, RaaA :/
12:18:33TorneJdGordon: a lot of posix tools are required to detect and terminate infinite loops
12:18:39Tornee.g. find -L
12:18:41gevaertsI know this was discussed and thought about in the past
12:18:44Tornerequired by posix, i mean
12:18:57TorneSo, generally on a POSIX system it's *not* a problem to have cyclic symlinks
12:19:08JdGordongevaerts: on the sim it follows them, on target it adds a new search root so it knows not to go into it mulitple times
12:19:08Torneand thus it does happen in the wild
12:19:56gevaertsJdGordon: right. Can that code/mechanism be recycled?
12:21:56JdGordonsure, but how?
12:22:14JdGordonright now I initate the scan from / so even if they are ignored the destination will get scanned eventually
12:22:43JdGordonI tihnk we'll need to change the search root anyway so maybe I'll deal with this later
12:22:52JdGordonscanning / on raa is silly
12:23:01Tornei think you can do it simpler than that, possibly
12:23:16Torneyou only need to detect when a symlink's target is an ancestor of the directory that contains the symlink
12:23:37Torne(or the directory itself)
12:24:20JdGordonif you hack that into tagcache.c (around line 4418) ill copy it into the new thing
12:24:24*JdGordon has to run for a few hours
12:24:32gevaertsIt all depends on what you want. Do you want to see all paths to something, or all files once?
12:24:37TorneOh, hm
12:24:52TorneYeah, that's enough to stop *infinite loops*, but it doesn't guarantee you will only visit things once
12:25:31gevaertsIf you scan from /, and you want each file only once, ignoring symlinks is easiest I think
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12:25:43CIA-44Commit 56e406d in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: hm60x/hm801: Increase backlight frequency. This will remove background hiss.
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12:25:54gevaertsIf you *don't* scan from /, I think what tagcache does is quite reasonable
12:26:19TorneYah
12:26:25Tornesorry, i didn't think that through enoguh
12:26:38TorneWell.. what is the "cost" of adding a new search root?
12:26:56Tornewill this cause things to grind to a crawl if someone scans somewhere with 5000 symlinks in it
12:28:06gevaertsThat depends on where they point to I think
12:28:10gevaertshm
12:28:32CIA-4456e406d build result: 14 errors, 3 warnings (Andrew Ryabinin committed)
12:28:58gevaertsThe system works well if you have e.g. symlinks to /mnt/music, but not if you only have symlinks to e.g. /mnt/music/<artist>
12:32:33CIA-44Commit ab01d5d in rockbox by 03Andrew Ryabinin: Fix red.
12:35:25CIA-44ab01d5d build result: All green
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12:55:00wodzmortalis: did you find lcd type detect routine?
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12:59:31Tornegevaerts: i'm thinking what if you are a crazy person like some people i know and have, say, their entire music collection in the filesystem five times via symlinks so they can hav eit visible by artist/album/track/genre without needing a database
12:59:37Torneand then you ask rockbox to index that from the root :)
12:59:56Torneit's not unreasonable to suggest that that is a bad idea, though
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13:05:55mortaliswodz: no
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14:05:42mortalisI want to put hifimans bootloaders on download server. How can I do it?
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14:11:05pamaurymortalis: you need to do a bootloader release and then ask the server guys to put it on the server iirc
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14:14:50wodzmortalis: I would like to add 'failsafe' mode to the bootloader which will jump into DFU mode if everything else fail
14:17:27mortaliswodz: ok, it could wait.
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14:24:20wodzmortalis: Do I recall correctly that you tested my asm snippet which enters DFU on hifimans?
14:25:39LordVanhi. Is rockbox on N900 still actively maintained/updated?
14:25:55wodzLordVan: yes
14:26:00LordVancool
14:26:19LordVanwodz, the one in the repos didn't have any updates for a while though ..i s there some extra repo to add?
14:27:02mortaliswodz: Yes, it works.
14:28:05wodzLordVan: Don't know about packaging. We don't have 'official' packages for n900. It should be possible to build one from HEAD however
14:28:17wodzmortalis: ok, I'll add it to bootloader then
14:28:27LordVanwodz, hm there is some version in maemo-extras
14:28:42LordVanwodz, and the problem is i buggered my cross-compile dev
14:31:12*[Saint] resists
14:32:12LordVan[Saint], resist what? ;)
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14:34:38wodzmortalis: Could you try this? http://pastebin.com/rqY8Gz1C without BASE.RKW and rockbox.rkw on sd?
14:35:28wodzmortalis: This is exactly the same code as before, just to be sure I didn't screw something up
14:36:35LordVan[Saint], btw Regarding what I asked yesterday about DRM & audible .. I tried if it works on my player and of course the files don't.. even though today I figured out, that you *can* download older Audible Format versions I'm not sure if I should bother or just install rockbox and listen to those books on the pc (or get some other device for it)
14:37:40LordVanjust fyi ;)
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14:42:08[Saint]Yes, that discussion got ugly. I'm not sure what to say other than (afaik) Rockbox isn't too interested in what the OF does or doesn't support, and due to the way Rockbox is installed it can wipe out your ability to play DRM files in the OF.
14:42:38[Saint]Though in the forums I believe a few people have worked it out.
14:44:06LordVan[Saint], yeah I looked. apparently if you just don'T set the hardware clock from rockbox it should be ok but well it depends .. I might try getting those audio books in audible v4 onto my Sansa Clip. if that gives me trouble too then there's no reason for me not to put rockbox on it (since I won'T buy drm'd music but there just isn't much of an alternative to audible in some respects)
14:44:37[Saint]The DRM gets messed up by (at least) the expected offset for the clock getting messed up, but there's been at least one person I'm aware of that managed to work out a repeatable sequence to sync the files back and get the OF happy.
14:47:05LordVan[Saint], true, but since I got rockbox on my N900 and am not that unhappy with my clip with now .35 firmware (which also has replay gain,..) I definitely won't do that before I tested the files work before and even then might leave it for now
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15:03:13mortaliswodz: It doesn't work
15:04:17wodzmortalis: Could you elaborate?
15:05:37*JdGordon returns
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15:05:46mortaliswodz: look at 126 line in bootloader
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15:05:51JdGordonI tinhk for the time being im going to follow symlinks and deal with those issues later
15:06:04JdGordonseen as my sim has its /Music symlinked anyway
15:06:11mortaliswodz: device poweroff before entering dfu
15:07:48[Saint]JdGordon: still working on Database / Playlist fu?
15:08:26JdGordonnot quite
15:08:49JdGordonfiddling with stuff to make the current database loading possibly better
15:09:34[Saint]Ah.
15:11:15JdGordoninitial goal is to get it down to only a single pass of the filesystem for both dircache+tagcache if both are enabled
15:14:40wodzmortalis: I am dead stupid, the behavior is expected :-)
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15:23:42JdGordonit would be nice if things registeing for events could pass in a pointer to pass back for the event so it could deal with local state instead of having globals
15:23:50JdGordonor is that not worth the complication?
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15:27:31TorneJdGordon: that seems worth having
15:27:35Tornecallback event systems generally have that.
15:27:46Torneif you write a patch i will review it :p
15:28:11Tornei don't think it's a complication; things being reentrant usually makes them easier to understand
15:30:01JdGordonoh, its not complicated at all :) just work!
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16:19:42[Saint]Awesome.
16:20:53[Saint]If you get a test candidate up, you can fire me off a 240x320 .apk if you want
16:21:12JdGordoni imagine it will be a tiny bit slower on target, but shld be much faster if auto-init and dircache are both enabled
16:21:27JdGordonnot ready for testing yet, but its on gerrit if you want to play
16:21:47JdGordong#224
16:21:48fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #224 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,224 : filesystem events: Add a new event to trigger on file access. by Jonathan Gordon (changes/24/224/4)
16:22:07[Saint]Bah, making my own builds is no fun :)
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18:04:16shamusdose the clip + still panic if you try to play a midi with to many voices? i have not used the midi player in a while.
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18:30:40TheLemonManpamaury: hows the stmp37xx porting ?
18:32:33gevaertsshamus: there haven't been any changes to the midi player in a while
18:32:59shamusok so expect it to kernal panic
18:33:11shamusif i play a midi with to meny samples
18:34:34pamauryTheLemonMan: no progress, I'm porting on two targets which are stmp378x but I have made a pdf of the differences between the stmp37xx and the stmp378x and these are quite modest in general
18:34:59pamauryI have a stmp37xx player too but porting it will be hard because of the low memory available
18:38:55pamauryI've run some code on it though as a proof of concept
18:40:07TheLemonManso, does it deserve an arch on its own ?
18:41:02pamauryno
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18:41:36pamaurywith a good abstraction layer, most drivers will not need to be aware of the difference
18:41:56TheLemonManyou still need to slap ifdefs around the code
18:42:35TheLemonManin my port (which is still in svn format) i have basically copypasted the imx233 arch and adjusted some code
18:42:39pamauryyeah, there will be a few ifdef in some places but not some many I think
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18:45:56TheLemonManiirc the only place i had to rewrite some code was the interrupt part
18:47:15pamaurythere are more: interrupts, display (if you use dma), gpio (registers addresses), clock/power (registers are somewhat different)
18:47:58pamauryand you, did you make any progress ?
18:48:30TheLemonManmy lcd implementation was reverse enginereed from the bootloader so it was with PIO access
18:48:59TheLemonManive been busy with school all this time, luckily ill have lots of time to spare during summer
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18:51:16TheLemonManwould you send me the pdf with the differences? ill look into it as soon as i have some free time
18:51:46pamauryI don't have time right now but when I'm back I'll send you the file
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20:13:03bluebrotherseems like the chinese-simp language has two strings that have < and > in them (from the english <All Tracks>), and those characters break creating a voice file
20:13:29bluebrotheror to be more exact, they cause the string to be spoken to result in an empty wav file, which will then cause the encoder to choke
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20:13:53bluebrotherwhich in turn means that russian should also break since that also has those characters in a few voice strings
20:13:59*bluebrother tries
20:15:12bluebrotheryeps, I get four empty wav files with russian. And there are four voice strings with those characters
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20:15:42bluebrotherbut since a voice string "<foo>" doesn't make much sense it should be an acceptable solution to simply kill < and > from the string
20:15:55gevaertsThat makes sense
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20:16:28bluebrotherand afterwards also removing them from the voice strings. Looks like someone simply copied the translation to the voice string and that caused this
20:18:00bluebrotherhmm. We do have a basque translation but Rockbox Utility doesn't know about it?
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20:28:02bluebrotherhmm. Does MS Anna not like speaking chinese text? ;-)
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21:20:39CIA-44Commit 07798ae in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Add missing basque and english-us languages.
21:20:40CIA-44Commit b623b97 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Check for bootloader file on device before copying.
21:20:41CIA-44Commit 51f1fcb in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Voicefile: remove < and > from voice strings before speaking.
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21:56:39bluebrotherhmm, there are quite a few bootloader installation classes that could have additional checking on copy
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22:05:05CIA-44Commit 2866063 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Add a NO_INLINE attribute to gcc_extensions.
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22:05:09CIA-44Commit cfc32fe in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Adjust some typing in voice_thread.c. Constants are also counts, not sizes.
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22:15:04bluebrotherurgh. Someone using a 1 1/2 year old version of Rockbox Utility and coming to the forums because of installation issues :(
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22:15:30*bluebrother wonders if it would be sensible to shut down older versions via the server
22:24:28CIA-44Commit 97a535d in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Oops, Shoulda been "int16_t" not "uint16_t".
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