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#rockbox log for 2012-05-05

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00:01:51saratogadamn, the helix people have a hermite resampler which looks quite good, but its gplv2 ONLY
00:04:01copper"Another top priority of Rockbox is audio playback quality."
00:04:29saratogahuh no, theres a version of their source with GPLv2+ headers too
00:05:01saratogajhMikeS: ping
00:05:09gevaertssaratoga: sounds like something to verify
00:07:55saratogaUpdate license headers "GPL 2 or later" −−> "GPL 2".
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00:09:18saratogadoes that mean i can use the old versions under GPLv2+?
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00:11:15gevaertsTricky
00:12:00gevaertsI'd say that depends on why they changed it. Did they change the license, or did they merely correct the headers to match what it was all along?
00:12:18saratogai guess i could email them and ask
00:13:11saratogathey did explictly add the gplv2+ headers 3 years before taking them back
00:13:12copperlooks like I bought my iPod at the right time
00:13:39copperlots of support for the classic seems recent
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00:14:07gevaertssaratoga: do you have a URL handy?
00:14:17saratogahttps://helixcommunity.org/viewcvs/audio/resampler/hermite.c?view=log
00:14:24copper"2010-12-27: Sound on iPod Classic!" haha
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00:17:58saratogaeveryone online seems to be distributing it under GPLv2+
00:19:47saratogameh, if every other repo still use GPLv2+ and in 5 years they never bothered to ask even one of them to fix it, then I tend to think it was really GPLv2+
00:19:59saratogaand they just changed it later for new code
00:21:04*gevaerts nods
00:28:44saratogaanyway, the hermite code looks quite simple and is already fixed point
00:28:48saratogaso we should probably start using that
00:36:08pixelmaI'm really not sure but when I read "helix team" I somehow started wondering if there were some problems with them in the past. It's possible that I'm mixing things up, it's really not a clear memory
00:36:54saratogaa lot of the helix codec stuff is under non-GPL open source license, but the linux bits are dual licensed GPL and real media license
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02:52:52jhMikeSsaratoga: pong
02:53:33saratogai want to look into trying that hermite polynomial resampler
02:54:04jhMikeSwhere's that at?
02:54:31jhMikeSbtw, update g227 with assembly routines
02:54:33fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #227 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,227 : New crossfeed algorithm for Rockbox: "Meier" crossfeed by Bertrik Sikken (changes/27/227/4)
02:54:43jhMikeSs/update/updated
02:55:03saratogashould I just replace lin_resample_resample with hermite_resample_resample?
02:55:07saratogaor am i going to need more setup?
02:55:35saratogaheres the sourece: http://src.gnu-darwin.org/ports/multimedia/helixplayer/work/hxplay-1.0.7/audio/resampler/hermite.c
02:57:04jhMikeSspc probably would die on coldfire if it needed more complex resampling
02:57:20saratogaits only marginally more complex
02:57:30saratogaIIRC its 4 multiplies per sample
02:57:39jhMikeSper channel?
02:58:12jhMikeSnot like m(s)ac.l isn't fast though
02:58:27saratogano wait, 3
02:58:30saratogayeah per channel
02:58:40jhMikeSdoes it do any arbitrary ratio?
02:58:47saratogayes looks like it
02:59:21saratogait takes the ratio of the samplerates as an argument
02:59:28saratogaand its an arbitrary fixed point number
02:59:46saratogahermite is basically the same as linear, except with a cubic instead of linear polynomial
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03:01:08saratogai don't know if its optimal, but i've seen a few different pieces of software use it, so I'm assuming its not too bad either
03:01:47saratogaanyway, i have to run, was just curious if I could just drop in the cubic interpolation for the linear or if there was more complication to it (not too familiar with the dsp code)
03:02:13jhMikeSbasically two mono runs except it has to watch both input and output remaining
03:03:10saratogaso its passed the number of samples of input and output it has available?
03:03:22jhMikeSit doesn't care _what_ is being used, it just has to obey the constraints
03:04:01jhMikeSyes, it must output both what it consumed from the source and what it wrote to the destination
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03:05:05saratogaok i'll try to find time to look into this and htne bug you more
03:05:05jhMikeSit could consume samples and output none or consume none and output some count
03:05:28jhMikeSI guess look at lin_resample.c for the expected behavior
03:06:05saratogayeah
03:10:22jhMikeSit occurs to me that IRAM is being wasted, voice DSP won't be using the right channel sample/resample buffers at all :p but they're allocated
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04:02:57CIA-79Commit 88aeef9 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Remove pointless IRAM allocation from voice DSP.
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10:57:35ecrana2rasher: Hi!, do you need a tester for your rockboxport for android?
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11:01:10AlexPecrana2: rasher does the builds, any bugs should be reported on our tracker
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11:01:29ecrana2AlexP: I see
11:04:44AlexPecrana2: Be aware that it is rather immature
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11:06:46ecrana2AlexP: Ok, sorry that I wanted to help
11:06:58AlexPeh?
11:07:07AlexPYou are more than welcome to help
11:07:29AlexPI was just saying that the android port is rather immature, so you shouldn't expect it to be perfect...
11:07:39ecrana2yeah, ofcorse
11:08:04ecrana2I guess I missunderstood you
11:08:23ecrana2I think the player is great
11:08:27ecrana2the sound is awesome
11:09:27ecrana2but I guess this type of chat should be discussed in #rockbox-community
11:09:41AlexPno, here is for anything rockbox
11:09:52AlexPcommunity is for anything not-rockbox
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11:46:04c3ssouhm 60% cpu when playing???
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11:47:20c3ssoactually when I have the view in front where the vu-meters are...
11:48:17bertrikfunman, any more luck with the USB/buffer issues you identified?
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11:51:01c3ssoany way to disable the peak meter?
11:52:04n1sc3sso: in the wps? use a different wps without them?
11:54:31c3ssoin theme settings I see wps... but when I click on it nothing happens...
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11:57:23n1ssounds like a broken install, the peakmeters are not in the default wps, only in the builtin fallback
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11:57:43c3ssohmm
11:58:40c3ssoI have rockbox default icons and rockbox failsafe chooseable as themes
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12:03:45c3ssowhen I choose the first one, I also get peakmeters in the wps
12:05:40n1sit's a bit confusing but the theme called default loads the fallback, the actual default is CabbieV2
12:05:50n1stry that
12:05:58c3ssohave now dl'd and installed darkinfo theme, that works!
12:06:49c3ssogives me 11% cpu though, instead of 5 when out of wps
12:07:09n1swhat platform are you on?
12:07:34c3ssolinux x86_64, ubuntu 10.10
12:08:02n1sso sdl, i'd say it's expected to be slowish
12:08:23c3ssoits not slow, it just eats cpu...
12:08:53c3ssoanyways, I like the darkinfo theme with its big icons...
12:08:57c3ssoand font
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12:10:27c3ssogreat for my mini laptop which I want to build into my car..
12:12:15copperrockbox on a laptop?
12:12:55c3ssoyeah! its kind of fun. for environments where mouse is not so well. BTW: pitch independend speed change in not implemented I guess?
12:13:13c3sso*is
12:13:24n1sit is
12:13:54n1sor should be at least, it might be disabled for the sdl app
12:14:44c3ssook? but when I press BOTTOMLEFT long, I get into that menu with pitch up pitch down...
12:15:31c3ssoand there it changes pitch when changeing speed
12:16:07c3ssoactually thats also one of the things I am interested in - go find that in linux somewhere
12:16:46n1sPerhaps a look in the manual would shed some light on this?
12:17:09c3ssook, reading...
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12:24:53c3ssohmm tried to activate it, and restarted rockbox. do not here a difference?
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12:27:42n1sc3sso: is it still enabled after restarting? that might be alittle tricky on the app i think
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12:31:05c3ssohmm the maual states to reboot, and if I do not reboot, it does not sound different either...
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12:31:12c3sso*manual
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12:34:50n1syeah but for it to work the setting needs to be enadbled when rb "boots" so it has to be saved in the config, i'm not sure closing the app saves the config as rebooting a regular player does, so checking if the setting is still enabled after reboot would tell you that
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12:36:48c3ssowill try
12:49:17c3ssorockbox says "shutting down" when I close it.. could not really find a config file right now... As the normal Pitch change is not saved when I restart rb, I doubt it would save the timestretch setting...
12:50:08AlexPconfig file is in .rockbox
12:50:27AlexPconfig.cfg
12:50:31AlexP(IIRC)
12:50:42[Saint]I'm not sure timestretch is supposed to survive a reboot.
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13:03:30n1s[Saint]: surely the enable setting is
13:08:11c3ssoAlexP: also on linux?
13:08:19n1sc3sso: ok, i just tested and it does work in the sdl app, you need to switch to the correct mode in the pithc screen
13:08:50c3ssohow?
13:10:12n1skp 9 does it, you'll notice there are two pitch and two semitone modes use one of them that lists both pitch and speed
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13:12:07c3ssokp 9 long press gives me wps context menu
13:12:38c3ssothere I can select pitch
13:13:00n1skp9 in the pitch screen changes the mode
13:13:32c3ssoah ok now I get it! thx!!
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13:17:40c3ssoI still cannot see a config.cfg file... I do not have one in /home/myusername, and not in the /opt/rockbox filder where I make installed rockbox to...
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16:40:31SovereignIs there a web site that will explain what effect this program has
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16:41:41bertrikwww.rockbox.org?
16:41:59Sovereignfound a wiki
16:42:08AlexPHow do people manage to find the IRC channel and not the website?
16:42:26bertrikmaybe they go to the .com
16:42:38kugelAlexP: perhaps he found the problem but it isnt clear enough what our program does? :)
16:42:55AlexPbertrik: I mean more that I'd assume that people would come here from the website
16:43:11AlexPNot come here and then try and find a website
16:43:17SovereignI got here from the site
16:43:30AlexPSo why your initial question?
16:43:40AlexPas rockbox.org tells you all about Rockbox
16:44:26Sovereignwith this program can i use my ipod with out all the adobe and other stuff apple requires
16:44:39AlexPIt is a complete replacement firmware
16:44:54copperadobe?
16:44:55AlexPI don't know what Adobe stuff you are referring to, but you don't need itunes, no
16:45:08bertrikIt depends on the exact ipod model though
16:45:53Sovereignwell maybe not adobe but itunes installs 3 or 4 programs\
16:46:04coppernot really
16:46:11Sovereignipod classic
16:47:27SovereignI do see that I can play flac that was a problem
16:48:13bertrikI'm no ipod expert, but I think there are several ipod "classics", like the original ipods and the new classic
16:48:36copper"Classic" refers to 6/7th gen only
16:48:49copper2007-2009 models
16:50:00SovereignI have the orginal 30 gig looks like 2007 on back
16:50:07bertrikwell, it's a bit confusing to call the newest models classic
16:50:26copper30 gig doesn't sound like a classic
16:51:22AlexPSovereign: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1353
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16:51:24copper"Classic" starts at 80 gigs IIRC
16:52:12copperwith a metal front plate
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17:05:16Sovereignhttp://paste.debian.net/167436/
17:07:26n1sSovereign: that's an ipod video
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20:53:32AlexPAnyone else have trouble building the ypr0 toolchain? I get this: http://pastie.org/3865007
20:58:33funmani dont see PPL in rockboxdev.sh ?
20:58:59AlexPfunman: the ypr0 bit seems to call additional scripts (or something)
20:59:26AlexPall the other cross compilers build fine
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21:29:00c3ssoanyone has an Idea where to find the config.cfg in the sdl build?
21:41:14saratogaits always in the .rockbox folder for all builds
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22:10:20c3ssoI suspected that. But what if its missing? could I create it from scratch to tweak some settings? how would rockbox work when its missing? I mean it saves the theme, and the song last played, so is has so save that somewhere...
22:10:49c3sso*it
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22:19:07saratogais your system set to show files that begin with a '.'?
22:19:27c3ssoyes
22:21:13c3ssoI compiled rockbox, then make installed into /opt/rockbox
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22:21:43c3ssonow I have a /bin /lib and /share folder there
22:23:34c3ssothere are some .config files in /share/rockbox like viewers.config, but no config.cfg
22:24:09c3ssoI also do not have a .rockbox folder in my home folder
22:25:52*gevaerts tries
22:26:48AlexPI'm playing with a buildserver and on trying to run it get "Error: You specified arch m68k but the output of 'm68k-elf-gcc −−version' did not include '3.4.6". I thought we used 4.5.2 for coldfire now? I do have m68k-elf-gcc-3.4.6 and m68k-elf-gcc-4.5.2 but m68k-elf-gcc itself is 4.5.2
22:27:35gevaertsAlexP: you want m68k-gcc452, not m68k
22:27:50AlexPgevaerts: ah, OK
22:28:09gevaertsWe moved to have version-including names a while ago
22:28:21AlexPgevaerts: I assume that arm in there is old arm, not arm-eabi too (even though rockboxdev just calls it arm now)
22:28:41gevaertsarm-eabi-gcc444 :)
22:28:51AlexPgevaerts: Would you mind updating the wiki with this when you get a moment? I would, but I don't want to get it wrong
22:29:40AlexPIt would be good to change what is in runclient.sh in git to remove arm and change m68k to m68k-gcc452 as well, as otherwise it is rather confusing to set up :)
22:29:44gevaertsc3sso: it looks in ~/.config/rockbox.org for me
22:30:47AlexPI can do that if you agree it might be wise :)
22:31:21gevaertsAlexP: I can do that later, but if you want to do it valid values right now are android15 arm-eabi-gcc444 arm-ypr0-gcc446 m68k-gcc452 mipsel sdl sh
22:31:41gevaertsmipsel and sh haven't had new compilers since we decided to make the names more precise
22:31:48AlexPgevaerts: great, thanks - I'll update it and the wiki with those
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22:45:51bertrikgevaerts, maybe a nice project during devcon to get those compiled with more up-to-date compilers?
22:46:25bertriknewer == better, right :D ?
22:46:53AlexPhmmm, can I not push to www?
22:47:08AlexPTorne: Do I need to do anything special to be able to push to www?
22:47:29Torneyou shouldn't
22:47:36Torneit should inherit all permissions from rockbox
22:47:37Tornelemme check
22:48:00TorneYeah
22:48:07Torneit should work identically
22:48:16Tornewhat are you trying to do exactly, and what does it say?
22:49:42AlexPwell, I checked it out with git clone git://git.rockbox.org/www
22:49:51AlexPMade a change and committed it locally
22:50:07gevaertsAlexP: did you do the right magic to set the push origin thing?
22:50:19AlexPprobably not :)
22:50:30TorneYou can't push to git://
22:50:30gevaertsThat doesn't carry over between checkouts
22:50:39Torneyou need to set the push url if you clone from that
22:50:42AlexPah, indeed not
22:50:46Torneand there's no error message, at least no meaningful one
22:50:50Torneit just drops the connection on you
22:50:53Torneleaving your client baffled
22:51:04AlexPYeah, I forgot the bit in setting up gerrit as I wasn't planning to use it :)
22:51:06Torne(this is not gerrit doing it, also, this is git-daemon)
22:51:10AlexPI'll go and do it :)
22:51:12Torneyou are using gerrit, always
22:51:18Torneexcept for the read-only clone :)
22:51:28AlexPYeah I know, I misunderstood what it meant by using it
22:52:27Torneif anyone wants to, er
22:52:31Tornemake git behave better there, feel free
22:52:47Tornealternatively, we could change our instructions to make it clearer
22:52:52CIA-79Commit 70c0fa0 in www by 03Alex Parker: Buildserver: Set archlist to currently allowed values.
22:52:54Torneand/or suggest cloning from gerrit to start with?
22:53:05AlexPcool, there we go
22:53:13TorneThe downside is that cloning from gerrit is maybe a little slower, and people without an account can't
22:53:24Torne..or can they
22:53:35Tornehm. they can over HTTP, but not over SSH
22:53:38Torneand HTTP is slower still
22:53:39AlexPTorne: Maybe just add a little (must be done) or something to the setting up gerrit heading?
22:53:42Torneso, probably best not to recommend that
22:53:53AlexPIt is pretty clear, just not when you are being dopey :)
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