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#rockbox log for 2012-05-08

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01:18:09funmanJdGordon: ping
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01:56:47JdGordonfunman: pong
01:56:53JdGordonbut seriously.. tonight...
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02:04:08funmanwhen is tonight?
02:04:22funmanit's night already
02:05:49JdGordon:) 12 hours
02:05:54JdGordonjust got into work
02:07:48funmanok, i think i will still be sleeping though
02:08:10funmanfs#12639
02:08:11fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12639 3lebellium Samsung-like theme for Clip Zip: WPS doesn't load properly and USB not working (bugs, unconfirmed)
02:08:14JdGordonoutline everything you figured out and how to repro and i'll try to get to it tonight
02:08:25funmanit.s in the ticket
02:09:51funmani just added the patch i use to build sim with −−sdl-threads
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02:20:55pamaury\o/ I managed to write the eeprom of the fuze+ \o.
02:21:17pamauryBut that requires to tear down the player and short two pins...
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02:23:31pamauryI haven't found any gpio to do that currently...don't know if there is one
02:24:41funmanwhat can you read/write there ?
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08:59:40wodzTorne, others: g#232
08:59:41fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #232 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,232 : Fix test fat failing on 64bit system (second bit of FS #12646) by Marcin Bukat (changes/32/232/1)
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11:24:07pamauryfunman: the boot program, the first piece of code executed, even before our bootloader
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12:58:07wodzTorne: what happens if I submit from gerrit patchset which depends on other patchset? Does it create two commit in series?
12:58:19TorneNo. it just submits the one you submitted.
12:58:34TorneWe are applying patches by cherrypick, which unfortunately does not require dependencies to exist
12:58:40TorneYou need to submit them in order yourself
12:59:06Torne(there is an open feature request to force checking deps even when cherrypick is being used; it's not implemented yet :/
12:59:44Tornethey will always be two separate commits, though, whatever gerrit has been told to do
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13:00:01wodzok thx
13:00:16Torneif you don't want two commits any more, flatten them locally and keep one of the change-ids in the resulting commit message, upload that, and abandon the other one
13:00:18CIA-79Commit 10829b2 in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: Fix fat test program not compiling (FS #12646).
13:00:59CIA-79Commit 18c016b in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: Fix test fat failing on 64bit system (second bit of FS #12646)
13:01:24kugelalternatively use the command line, not the gerrit webinterface
13:02:46Tornegetting something reviewed and then pushing it manually does work, but it loses the metadata about the review
13:02:57Tornesince gerrit doesn't get the chance to rewrite the commit message to include it
13:03:25kugeloh
13:03:57kugelyou mean if you push in the command line it won't have "Reviewed-By" etc?
13:04:00TorneYes
13:04:07TorneThat info is only recorded on commits that gerrit creates
13:04:20TorneIf you push manually gerrit's only involvement is to mark the review as closed based on matching up the change-id
13:04:24Torneit doesn't touch your commit at all
13:04:45kugelZagor: can the gerrit link in the commit log on the front page be made clickable?
13:05:34ZagorI'd rather strip it, actually
13:05:39CIA-7910829b2 build result: 0 errors, 60 warnings (Marcin Bukat committed)
13:06:11TorneZagor: if the last paragraph looks like Key: Value it should be fine to strip it
13:06:21Torneas that's the canonical form for that kind of metadata in git
13:06:41Tornethe presentation right now is pretty ugly, anyway
13:06:53Torneeither strip it, or don't reflow it (keep the newlines) and hyperlink the links.
13:07:19kugelsome clickable means to go to the corresponding gerrit ticket would be nice
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13:08:34kugelthe Change-Id: line is already stripped
13:10:29Zagoryes
13:10:43CIA-7918c016b build result: 0 errors, 60 warnings (Marcin Bukat committed)
13:11:04wodzok, I'll fix this warning when I get home
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14:07:53CIA-79Commit 3c26f13 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: fuze+: don't touch B1P{22,24} in lcd code since these are used by the tuner
14:08:03pamaurysomeone has a fuze+ at hand?
14:13:01pamaurythe build server is down ?
14:13:37CIA-793c26f13 build result: 0 errors, 60 warnings (Amaury Pouly committed)
14:15:17Zagornot down, but misbehaving
14:16:15*gevaerts looks at wodz
14:17:03wodzgevaerts: I'll fix this warning but right now I am at work and can't do much
14:17:18gevaertsOK, as long as you're aware of it :)
14:17:24gevaertshm
14:17:29*gevaerts reads backlog and apologises
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14:26:06Zagorhmm, for some reason the build server has started calculating too low speeds for the fast clients, breaking the build schedule
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14:32:42CIA-79Commit abed54d in www by 03Björn Stenberg: Strip review tags from front page.
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14:40:50kugelZagor: no way to get to the gerrit ticket or will you add one (if not it's kind of a regression)?
14:41:01ZagorI'll add it
14:41:05kugelcool
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15:12:09n1sHAVE_PITCHSCREEN is defined for every swcodec target except the iriver ifp and the lyre thingy, is there even a reason to keep it in swcodec only files?
15:15:56n1sin fact it seems HAVE_PITCHSCREEN == !defined ARCHOS_PLAYER
15:16:20pixelmawhich actually means HAVE_LCD_BITMAP
15:16:25pixelmaI guess
15:16:38n1sah yes, could be that
15:17:03pixelmahwcodec has pitch but not hmm, how's it called,...
15:17:16pixelmatime stretch
15:17:56n1syeah i know, the time stretch stuff is #ifdefed for HAVE PITCHSCREEN even if it's in swcodec only files where it is pointless
15:17:59pixelmait could also have to do with the different MAS in teh Player but my bet is on the charcell being the reason
15:19:45n1sthat sounds a bit more likely to me, the pitchscreen shouldn't be that hard to do on charcell
15:21:07pixelmaI believe the screen was changed to use viewports internally and no-one bothered with implementing viewports on charcell yet, even though amiconn said it would be possible and useful as it gets rid of differences
15:22:52*gevaerts isn't convinced that a HAVE_* is useless just because every target happens to have it
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15:24:33n1sgevaerts: but why would an swcodec target disable it?
15:24:57gevaertsTo save RAM
15:25:37gevaertsAlso, a user may want to disable it. This is fairly common with at least FM
15:26:20n1suser? ;)
15:26:24gevaertsI'm not saying *all* HAVE_* need to be kept for user configurability, but I think removing one needs a discussion first
15:27:52n1simo they bring 2 or 3 problems, 1) sometimes ports forget to enable features just because noone noticed 2) the code is littered with #ifdefs 3) some of them probably won't even work if there's no target actually disabling them
15:28:41gevaertsIIRC I once fixed HAVE_PITCHSCREEN :)
15:31:28gevaertsIdeally the #ifdef issue would be solved by having enough modularity
15:32:05n1sthat will never be as fine grained
15:33:08n1soh, it appears disabling HAVE_PITCHSCREEN does break the build, i broke it :)
15:35:42gevaertsThere's also another way to look at this. As long as at least one target doesn't do pitchscreen (ARCHOS_PLAYER in this case, which is charcell and thereby weakens my point :), there needs to be a HAVE_PITCHSCREEN #ifdef somewhere in the GUI at least, and I think that any HAVE_PITCHSCREEN you actually *use* needs to be disableable without breaking the build (even if that only means we fix it whenever anyone happens to notice)
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15:36:29gevaertsAnyway, if I'm the only one who feels that way, you should obviously ignore me :)
15:36:57n1speople never say anything untill changes are committed
15:37:22gevaertsThat's true, but we happen to have a session where several people will say things in ten days :)
15:37:53Tornebtw hangouts on air has launched for real now i think
15:38:05Torneso we possibly can use itbforndevcon :)
15:38:10gevaertsSo right now my proposal is to discuss at devcon what we want HAVE_* to mean
15:38:13n1smaybe you guys could discuss the #ifdef spaghetti in general?
15:38:55n1sdisabling the pitchscreen, including tdspeed cuts 10k off the ram footprint on a fuze build btw
15:39:05gevaertsn1s: we can, but I'm not sure if that's useful. I don't see any other outcome than "Cleaning this up would be nice"
15:39:46n1sbut cleaning up *how?*
15:39:51gevaertsExactly!
15:39:52Tornethe problem with new targets jnot enabling it can be fixed by defining them in config.h derived from the othrr propertie they depend on
15:40:40gevaertsHmm, do we have separate ifdefs for tdspeed? IIRC that has a much higher RAM cost than the pitch screen in general (when enabled), and I'm not convinced something like the c200v2 will actually work with tdspeed
15:40:52Tornemore config vars should be that way, generally.
15:41:24n1sgevaerts: no, tdspeed is enabled if you are swcodec and enable the pitchscreen
15:41:28*gevaerts thinks we aren't doing too bad with #ifdefs in general, with some exceptions
15:42:10n1sin rbcodec it's rather nonsesical though, since it has no part in the pitch stuff
15:42:24n1sto #ifdef on pitchscreen
15:43:38CIA-79Commit 158aeb5 in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: Add more #ifdefs
15:44:14n1sTorne: yeah
15:44:37Tornethis one sounds like it should be named better maybe
15:44:50Tornepitchcontrol not pitchscreen?
15:44:55Torneie refer to the feature
15:44:58Tornenot the ui element
15:45:20n1syeah
15:46:21gevaertsn1s: isn't jhMikeS' current dsp work slowly going in that direction (i.e. separaring dsp and codecs)?
15:48:08n1sgevaerts: yes, i've also been trying to push wtachi's patches which also do this but there's still quite a bit to do before it'll even build without sucking in other parts of the rockbox tree
15:49:27n1sand some of it is tricky to do cleanly without increasing binsize for rb a lot i think
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15:58:36Zagorkugel: how about this? a G#xxx link next to the gitweb hash link
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20:43:30bertrik__pamaury, nice find about the tuner pins
20:43:58pamauryI haven't checked if it fixed it but it's clearly a bug
20:44:06pamauryI think I also found the tuner RDS pin
20:44:20bertrik__I've seen such conflicts in some of the other sansas too
20:44:35bertrik__I guess they just re-used code without checking all the gpios
20:45:08pamaurystrictly speaking it's not a conflict since those pins are unused but there are lots of unused gpios without purpose, why they chose this one ?!
20:45:09bertrik__pamaury, the interrupt pin?
20:45:12pamauryyes
20:45:37pamaurystrangely I can't find any reference to it in the OF code but I tried to set GPIO2 of the tuner to one and zero and got a match
20:45:40bertrik__cool, does RDS work now?
20:46:01pamauryI haven't checked yet, I'm just experimenting with Jean-Louis's broken fuze+ :)
20:47:06bertrik__ok, no hurry
20:50:36pamaurypoor fuze+: http://amaury.pouly.free.fr/Images/SSL23215.JPG, http://amaury.pouly.free.fr/Images/SSL23216.JPG, http://amaury.pouly.free.fr/Images/SSL23217.JPG
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20:51:55bertrik__pamaury, what kind of probe box is that?
20:52:25pamaurysaleae logic
20:53:00bertrik__I have a bus pirate that can log/run all kinds of simple low-speed serial protocols
20:53:11bertrik__what are you probing there?
20:53:55pamaurythe eeprom
20:54:56bertrik__if it's spi or i2c, the bus pirate should be able to talk to it, I know it's possible to use it with python too (but I don't know python very well)
20:56:10bertrik__regarding the x-fi's, maybe I should start getting some compileable code for the radio, in time for devcon
20:57:19bertrik__I think the way to go, is to take at first only the tuning code and try to attach it to the tuner_get/set API, forget about RDS initially
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21:00:27pamauryit's i2c, the box comes with a nice software to analyse low level protocols
21:01:08pamaurythe software doesn't support talking but there is a sdk to do so. I used it to debug some code also, very helpful
21:01:49pamauryyes definitely, here is the repo with the x-fi's source code: pamaury/rockbox-1">https://github.com/pamaury/rockbox-1
21:01:59pamauryit's in the creativezenxfi2 branch
21:03:03pamauryI should probably send you my ida pro files too ?
21:08:31bertrik__I don't know if I need them
21:08:48amiconnn1s: HAVE_PITCHSCREEN is due to the different MAS in the Player, not due to charcell
21:09:20amiconnThat MAS3507 PLL has such a narrow locking range that it can't be used for pitch
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21:11:14amiconnThe MAS3587F (and 3539F) support a rather wide clock range - they can easily be overclocked to 200%
21:11:55amiconnI once actually used that to generate 96 kHz S/PDIF on the Recorder for testing 96 kHz S/PDIF recording on the H1x0
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21:59:43CIA-79Commit b371b70 in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: fix yellow introduced in 10829b2
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22:22:02n1samiconn: i suspected something like that was the case, thanks for confirming it
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22:35:58n1samiconn: btw, anything against removing the STATICIRAM stuff (g#233)
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22:39:36jhMikeSgevaerts: why wouldn't c200v2 work with tdspeed? clipv1 does just fine. besides the memory requirements when active dropped alot since it half its buffers were no longer needed.
22:41:41amiconnUmm, where in the list can I find the g# ?
22:41:58n1sjhMikeS: would we need to buffer samples in pcm.c to do the sw volume there? i whipped up a quick hack yesterday that works on the sim at least with just straight multiplication of each sample like this http://pastie.org/3873163
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22:42:25amiconnI see ID, Subject, Owner, Project, Branch, Updated, R and T
22:42:39amiconnID looks like this git hash gibberish
22:42:46n1samiconn: i don't think it shows it, http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/233
22:43:24n1sthe bot usually expands g#*** but i guess the parens threw it off
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22:44:10jhMikeSn1s: would need a double buffer somewhere so there's time to do it
22:44:27n1sjhMikeS: hmm
22:45:12amiconnLooks fine to me
22:45:57*amiconn thought this workaround had been removed already
22:46:02jhMikeSpcm shouldn't be destructive
22:46:14CIA-79Commit 2dda258 in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: Remove STATICIRAM hack
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22:46:59n1samiconn: i guess some of it was missed, it was not used in amny places anymore so i guess it was partially removed
22:47:30jhMikeSnoone just greps the whole source for strings :P
22:47:52jhMikeSsome was hanging around in the encoders
22:47:58Dhraakellianoh dear, I'm getting an "Undefined instruction at 34EA0024" when I connect my Sansa Fuze (v1) to the computer
22:48:09Dhraakellian3.11.2
22:48:35Dhraakellianokay, third time, nothing
22:49:05Dhraakellianjust a freeze
22:49:36n1susb is unreliable on my fuze too
22:49:59n1sjhMikeS: my problem is that i'm quite lost in the pcm stuff :/
22:51:31jhMikeSputting volume outside the few drivers that would need it means optimized asm for it get messier too
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22:56:19n1sso were back to blindly patching drivers for a port noone uses :)
22:57:01bertrik__"port rot" ?
22:57:05jhMikeSimo better solution is just dump software volume as it is and someone who cares can take proper steps :)
22:57:15n1si like it!
22:57:49jhMikeSand if I happen to get one of those targets (unlikely though), I'll happily oblige
22:58:27n1shas anyone seen mcuelenaere (sp?) or anyone else with an onda lately?
22:58:54n1sthe fact that the cureent approach is quite broken speaks for dropping it
22:59:21jhMikeShasn't been around much afact
22:59:22amiconn[22:58:53] <Statusfenster:logbot_> mcuelenaere (~mcuelenae@rockbox/developer/mcuelenaere) signed off 3 months and 24 days ago (Quit: Ik ga weg)
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23:00:54*amiconn wonders whether logbot_ can be queried in a way that the answer ends up public
23:01:33n1snot even popping in here in 3 months isn't promising
23:02:12n1swasn't/isn't there a wiki page with some owners of each target listed?
23:02:14*jhMikeS can't remember any of the logbot commands (he's not exactly very social)
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23:03:43jhMikeSlogbot lies and says he's never seen beer but just gave the channel more beer :\
23:08:32n1sfound it, PurlingNayuki is also listed as an onda owner but i don't remember seeing him in a long while either
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23:11:54jhMikeSIt will need separate L+R volume if balance is to work
23:12:14n1syes, that too
23:12:38n1sit isn't at the moment,though?
23:13:21jhMikeSjust one gain setting
23:14:53jhMikeSif the mixer were the pcm hub instead of direct then it could go in the mixer and get "free" double buffers
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