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01:22:37JdGordonfunman: nope, no time yet :) moving houses :p
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03:29:26CIA-79Commit 87a9951 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Consolidate some sample input code.
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03:40:32chensome embedded album art still don't work
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04:50:41CIA-79Commit d26a35d in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Tweak dsp_format_change_process (default format handler).
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08:39:15saratogapreglow: playing with the hermite code in matlab, it seems like oversampling by a factor of 2 decreases the error by about 10 dB
08:39:31saratogain the 48k > 44.1k case
08:41:01saratogathe least squares tool spits out a nice looking order 7 FIR filter that is flat in the pass band, and then gradually rolls down to about 40dB rejection around 35kHz
08:41:58saratogaIIUC, i could use that to upsample only the points needed by the hermite polynomial, in which case I would need ~7 multiply/adds per output sample for the FIR
08:42:03saratogadoes that sound about right?
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08:56:58*[Saint] read 'hermit crab' instead of 'hermite code'
08:57:09[Saint]The latter makes much more sense.
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09:52:42preglowsaratoga: teag
09:52:44preglowyeah <-
09:53:25saratogacool
09:55:58saratogafor whatever reason that polynomial paper claims a much larger improvement for oversampling then i estimated, so its possible i'm doing something wrong
09:56:16saratogai just use a pure sin tone and looked at how it aliased
09:58:38saratogaalso i played with quantizing the FIR coefficients, and 16 bit gives basically identical results, i guess since the order is so low
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10:00:47saratogathe FIR code I wrote for ATRAC3 needs about 3.5 cycles per tap at 16 bits (tested on the Clip+), so we could probably do the whole thing for basically no cpu time
10:00:49preglowyeah, at such a low order 16 bits is ok
10:02:12saratogaI guess it scales with about the output sampling rate, so it'd be about 50k*2 channels* 7 taps * 3.5 = 2.5MHz
10:03:50saratogaalternatively, we could use 4x oversampling and i guess need a 14 order FIR
10:04:19saratoganeed to find the time to test this rigorously and see how much difference it makes for real audio
10:20:14preglowthere's no shame in testing with sines :>
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12:19:45vminkoHello guys
12:20:02vminkoI'm looking for a replacement for my Sansa Clip+
12:20:17vminkoSomething small and light
12:20:43vminkoBut this time I want it to have buildin USB A connector
12:21:02vminkoSomething like Samsung yp-u6
12:21:22vminkoDoes rockbox support anything like this?
12:22:23Tornewe don't ahve a USB host stack, so even if you get a device with a host port it won't work
12:23:01vminkoI know that
12:23:11vminkoAt least I cant charge it via USN
12:23:12vminkoUSB
12:23:19vminkoWithout any additional cables
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12:23:38vminkoNot a big deal, but useful
12:23:59vminkoIf there is no such device, I think I'll buy Sansa Zip
12:24:40vminkoRockbox supports it quite well, AFAIU
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14:32:42CIA-79Commit d29a11b in rockbox by 03Nils Wallménius: Rename HAVE_PITCHSCREEN to HAVE_PITCHCONTROL
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14:41:49[Saint]Does anyone know how the touch area "volume" works with rtl langs?
14:42:20[Saint]Does it "just work" or does it always assume a left-to-right bar?
14:43:18*[Saint] lightly prods JdGordon, who happens to have some rtl knowledge and a lot of skin knowledge.
14:45:02[Saint]I'm working on it at the moment and it occurred to me that if I need to do special magic to tell the bar I want it to draw backwards, that I might need to treat the touch area differently.
14:46:48Cottusok, i have: "iriver H10 20G", i bought a 60G disk, formatted it in my pc, but the device does not seem to recognize it (usb emergency connection ) http://paste.ubuntu.com/977797/
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16:59:57Gygesi'm Cottus, does anyone have any idea if i could change the bootloader of the H10 without a disk? through usb perhaps?
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17:01:29pixelmahow did you format the disk (with which settings)?
17:01:45GygesFAT32 flags:boot,lba
17:02:37Gygesii also tried to make just a 20G partition
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17:26:29arlaneenalraIs there a way to get rockbox to *not* go into usb mode when you plug the player into a computer? I'd really like to be able to power my player off my comp. during the day . . .
17:26:45[Saint]Yes.
17:27:13arlaneenalraOk, I've got a sansa fuze . . . what setting am I looking for?
17:27:22arlaneenalraOr do I need to start digging around in code . . .
17:27:41evilnickarlaneenalra: It's in the manual
17:27:54[Saint]There's no setting, holding any key during plugging USB will charge only.
17:28:04[Saint]Our fine manual describes this.
17:29:42arlaneenalraThanks . . . I messed up my search terms and completely missed looking in the manual explicitly . . doh!
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19:33:32Pickles4Funfreddy_156: you there?
19:33:39freddy_156Pickles4Fun, yup
19:34:13freddy_156Pickles4Fun, did you get that player you were talking about?
19:34:23Pickles4Funfreddy_156: yeah
19:34:29Pickles4Funstarted reversing the DFU code today
19:34:35freddy_156how is it?
19:35:02Pickles4Funfreddy_156: mehish :/
19:35:09freddy_156told ya
19:35:21Pickles4Funfreddy_156: fu
19:35:30freddy_156you should bring it back to the store
19:36:00Pickles4Funfreddy_156: Their policy is,
19:36:12Pickles4Funfreddy_156: "You hack the shit out of it, you keep it"
19:36:19Pickles4Funso I can't.
19:37:00freddy_156staff at local shops are mostly dumb
19:37:27freddy_156you could give them a jailbroken iphone and tell them it was already like that when you bought it
19:37:59[Saint]Perhaps this is more *-community talk
19:38:12freddy_156*-community?
19:38:19freddy_156you mean #rockbox-community?
19:38:55Pickles4Funfreddy_156: I think so
19:39:07gevaerts[Saint]: are you sure? I'd like to find out what the discussion is about before deciding :)
19:39:30freddy_156how do I go there?
19:39:33Pickles4Funmeh
19:40:15Pickles4Funfound it.
19:40:23freddy_156found what?
19:40:44[Saint]Well...to be honest, I'd prefer speculation of jailbroken opossums not be there either, but its better than here :)
19:40:45Pickles4Funfreddy_156: he's right
19:40:53Pickles4Funbut anyway
19:41:05Pickles4FunI don't think the device would be able to run rockbox anwyay.
19:41:06[Saint]Opossums ...autocomplete strikes again.
19:41:14Pickles4FunSaint: haha
19:41:16freddy_156[Saint], sorry for that
19:41:31[Saint]*ahem, "iPhones"
19:42:24Pickles4Funnot abuot iphones.
19:42:27Pickles4Funbut anyway.
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20:13:00kugelgdb the only reason I'm implementing a worker thread, instead of just spawning many threads (one per io request)
20:13:57*kugel explicity did not want to deal with concurrency issues :(
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20:38:55DarkenvyHello, I left rockbox a while ago only to come back now :P (I missed having it haha)
20:40:08Darkenvyalthough now I cant auto-install it I get the error: "No mountpoint given"
20:40:09DarkenvyOSX 10.7, iPod 5th generation, Rockbox 1.2.13, it is mounted
20:40:34DarkenvyIt is also formatted as a windows-pod
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21:36:13Cottus@Darkenvy :isn't there a manual configuration in rbutil?
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22:00:21pregloware the commit mails back on their feet?
22:05:44AlexPpreglow: Sadly no
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22:18:46[Saint]preglow: there's the slightly less useful commit tweets
22:18:57preglow1haha
22:19:04preglowi think i'll continue shunning twitter for now :>
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22:32:39Darkenvycottus, I installed rockbox several times before using the automated method (I had to replace my HDD once and installed RB on 2 devices)
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22:42:02Cottus@Darkenvy : i have not understood the situation completely but you can set the mount point manually ( after you mount the device)
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22:42:26funmankugel_: http://lwn.net/Articles/496268/
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22:45:00kugel_funman: pthreads with a global mutex?
22:45:32funmanno idea, did you look at it already ?
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22:47:27kugel_funman: no, it was just an informed guess :)
22:47:52kugel_it uses a semaphore, not mutex. it's the same mechanism we use in the sim for −−sdl-threads
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23:26:10kugel_[Saint_]: fwiw, iirc when the rtl stuff was added it was explicitely not done for images
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23:27:14kugel_however, I don't know which, rtl or ltr, volumebar is more right
23:27:54[Saint_]kugel_: oh, I know that much. I was just wondering if there was some undocumented tag I wasn't aware of, as flipping/rotating a given image _should_ be trivial.
23:28:21kugel_there's no such tag, no. and it's not trivial at all
23:28:57kugel_but it's not rocket science either
23:29:51[Saint_]What bothered me, was wondering how volume and progress touch areas deal with rtl
23:29:53[Saint_]Or, if they do.
23:30:21[Saint_]Its easy to get the bar to draw backwards, but I'm not sure what the touch area assumes.
23:30:51kugel_i don't think it's necessary to mirror all images
23:31:21kugel_rtl doesnt mean "the whole world is mirrored", it's mostly for text after all
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23:32:37[Saint_]That's....wrong. Sorry :)
23:32:41n1swe could just mirror the font bitmaps and then mirror the whole display :)
23:33:29[Saint_]There's a LOT of ui documentation that completely disagrees, I think we should try to provide a comfortable rtl ui.
23:33:43[Saint_]There's no harm...
23:34:45kugel_just a lot of effort
23:35:20bertrikto be honest, I don't care about a rtl ui at all
23:36:22kugel_naturally :)
23:37:07n1s[Saint_]: ideally we should provide a comfortable ltr ui too :)
23:37:31[Saint_]Touché
23:39:38*gevaerts points to the wps on http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1543&target=gigabeatfx in some sort of attempt to make a point
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23:55:10kugel_hmm, somehow settings aren't properly saved anymore
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