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#rockbox log for 2012-05-17

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00:03:05funmanbertrik: how did it happen to be bricked ?
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00:33:41gbl08mahi everyone. Recently the nano2g builds have become highly broken in terms of functionality...
00:34:07gbl08mawith the latest builds, my nano2g hangs almost every time I want to put a track to play
00:34:42gbl08maand the problem is not disk corruption, as I've checked the disk for errors and none were found.
00:35:29gbl08mato keep things short, it seems that every time Rockbox wants to load a new track, it hangs.
00:35:46gbl08maThere is no panic screen, the screen shows the same as before, but the UI is unresponsive.
00:36:39gbl08maany ideas? This problem started when I updated to the latest build of 13th May.
00:37:05FOADWhat happens when you downdate?
00:41:05gbl08ma12th May build has the same problem
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00:49:05gbl08ma_the build from 9th May works fine too
00:49:36gbl08ma_I think I'm going to stick with it as there doesn't seem to be anyone here who can help solve this issue.
00:49:46gbl08ma_thanks anyway
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00:52:36JdGordonfunman: hey
00:56:32funmanJdGordon: hello
00:56:38funmanthanks for looking into this
00:57:00funmanvalgrind still shows a problem on usb unplug, but i am not sure what s going on
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01:02:16funmankugel: told me he didnt write that code but git blame says its him!
01:02:27funman.describe 5783505b99eeb53c271d24
01:02:28fs-bluebot3Add two macros for char*-based pointer arithmetic and use it in font.c by 3Thomas Martitz (from Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:29:18 +0000)
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01:03:27JdGordonoh yes, that was an annoying bug :)
01:04:04JdGordonok, if you can comment on the unplug thing in the task ill try tonight. though i really need to clean my apartment so maybe not :p
01:04:47funmanJdGordon: well this time i have nothing else to add than what valgrind shows me
01:05:10funmanif you never used it i can happily guide you, it's very obvious to use
01:06:51JdGordoni've used it a little bit
01:06:55JdGordongotta run
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01:13:56jdgordCan valgrind actually keep track of the skin buffer properly?
01:14:30jdgordOr its just saying its accessing memory it doesn't think it should be ?
01:18:58funmansecond
01:19:13funmanin this case it warns about accessing uninitialized memory
01:19:20funmanreading from something which was never written
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01:23:01JdGordonroughly where?
01:24:56JdGordonhmm
01:26:39JdGordonfunman: the is coming from the core_alloc() call at the end of the parsing so I'm going to say you need to talk to kugel... its not a skin issue
01:26:59JdGordonoh well, hmm.. it might be fonts
01:31:48JdGordonyeah, not sure about this one... the code is definitly supposed to be fixing p->width so no idea why valgrind thinks its never written to
01:33:33funmanit was never written to before the fixing
01:34:00JdGordoni call BS :) I've put a print where it should be written and it is
01:34:01funmancode does int tmp = index + x; index = tmp;
01:34:16funmanit borks on the "tmp = index"
01:34:21funmanJdGordon: same memory location ?
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01:35:32funmanrather on the "if(alloc->font.cache._index)"
01:35:49funman(gdb) print alloc->font.cache._index
01:35:49funman$1 = (short *) 0x7ff000250
01:36:03JdGordonoh, I thught it was width?
01:36:43funmanline 120 is index for me
01:36:56JdGordon==23943== at 0x451F85: buflibmove_callback (font.c:115) which is UPDATE(alloc->font.width);
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01:39:57JdGordonoh, there are a bunch of issues, riight
01:40:00JdGordondunno
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09:15:58kugelpfunman: okay, I added the UPDATE() macro but not the font buflib code in general
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11:55:07KyIethedarknHey is there a change log for the dev builds for specific devices? I can't seem to find a section like that on the site...
11:58:30[Saint]We have "dev builds" now?
11:58:53KyIethedarknWell I mean, that's what it's called on the site
11:58:59KyIethedarknhttp://build.rockbox.org/
11:59:09KyIethedarknhttp://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=sansafuzeplus
11:59:14[Saint]I assume you mean the per-commit builds, and, if so, the changelog is the git commit messages.
11:59:40[Saint]otherwise, you would need to wait for a release to see the major milestones since the last release.
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12:02:17[Saint]KyIethedarkn: http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html <−− this is as close as you're going to get.
12:02:42[Saint]The above link lists all commits made to the master branch since the last release.
12:02:47[Saint]I think its what you want.
12:02:54KyIethedarknAh, that works. Thank you
12:06:07[Saint]The commit order in that list is /slightly/ screwy, a side effect of the switch to git from subversion, but making the builds have a nice sequential build ID is something that will be worked on during the upcoming DevCon I believe.
12:06:34KyIethedarknGotcha.
12:06:46KyIethedarknWhats the main difference between git and svn again?
12:07:00gevaertsDistributed vs centralised
12:07:40[Saint]As a versioning system, its just....better. And it also allows for gerrit review, which is a much nicer system than dumping patches on Flyspray.
12:08:18KyIethedarknGotcha...is there any reason patches aren't just implemented into the source?
12:08:19[Saint]see gerrit.rockbox.org
12:08:39[Saint]KyIethedarkn: because they need to be reviewed and tested.
12:08:52KyIethedarknAh, I see.
12:09:18[Saint]If we let just anyone shit anything they wanted into the sources without any form of review...well, yeah...I think you know that might be a bad idea and break lots of things :)
12:09:36KyIethedarknGotcha
12:09:39copperpatches are from people without commit privileges I think?
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12:09:50gevaertscopper: some
12:09:51gevaertsNot all
12:10:01[Saint]copper: Correct, but, this was true of Flyspray also.
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12:31:55kugelp[Saint]: yes we have "dev builds" now
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12:49:43[Saint]kugelp: Hummm...ok, that slipped past me unnoticed.
12:51:32[Saint]What is the difference/purpose between/of these dev builds, or a "normal" build, kugelp?
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12:52:46gevaerts[Saint]: it's all about confusion. The aim is not to talk about current builds ever again
12:53:13gevaertsBecause "current" and "latest release" are not intuitively distinct for many people
12:53:35[Saint]gevaerts: Ahhhhh...I see. So, there's "development", and "release" now...?
12:54:06gevaertsI think so
12:54:20*gevaerts isn't entirely sure about the correct new names
12:54:28[Saint]Right, that does make some sense (I recall now reading about this in the mailing list).
12:54:43[Saint]"current" is indeed rather meaningless.
12:55:04[Saint]as it may be "current" from a month ago ;)
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13:01:28bluebrothergevaerts: have the new names been decided at all?
13:01:50bluebrotherthere was some discussion on the ML but I don't think we had a "fixed" result
13:05:18gevaertsbluebrother: I'm not sure. They will have been decided next week though :)
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13:05:45bluebrothernext week? Not next weekend? ;-)
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13:06:13gevaertsThey won't *be* decided next week! They *will have* been! :)
13:07:19bluebrotherhopefully :)
13:07:34gevaertsIt's on the agenda :)
13:12:36*bluebrother just read "until you see the marked building" on the DevConEuro2012 wiki page and was wondering if gevaerts planned painting the building :)
13:13:05*gevaerts marked it on the photo!
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13:30:33pixelma[ x ] Rockbox DevCon here
13:30:40gevaerts:)
13:30:56gevaertsYay!
13:31:16*gevaerts found the line that makes current builds fall over with skinned lists
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13:41:43gevaertsJdGordon: why is "send_event(LCD_EVENT_ACTIVATION, NULL);" needed in skinlist_draw()? Removing that line makes things not freeze for me
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13:43:33JdGordongevaerts: umm.. dunno
13:43:39JdGordonwhat does removing it break?
13:44:03gevaertsI'm looking around, but I haven't found anything yet
13:44:19gevaertsOh, wait
13:44:59gevaertsThe status bar (wavy uses the built in one) apparently has some bits that are overdrawn by the list code
13:45:19gevaertsThat might be because of a buggy sbs though
13:45:28gevaertswavy does some questionable stuff
13:49:00gevaertsYes, wavy draws stuff in that area, which it shouldn't, but if it doesn't other stuff goes wrong due to different weird stuff :)
13:50:18gevaertsSo I think nothing breaks, although some undefined behaviour related to overlapping viewports changes a bit
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13:55:24gevaertsJdGordon: there's some fun behaviour with conditionals, images, and skinned lists. It's been a while since I looked, but there's code somewhere that clears the space of a conditional image if the conditional is not set (which seems to make sense), only in skinned lists this clears the image area if the previously drawn line had the conditional not set. This is a side effect of reusing viewports but shifting their position.
13:57:24gevaertsThat's the thing I work around with in Wavy by having a %Vd() on the list viewport (which won't actually draw anything due to conditionals) to "absorb" these clears in an unobtrusive place, and *that*'s what breaks by removing that send_event(), because those image area clears now clear part of the built-in status bar, which used to be redrawn just after
13:58:21gevaertsSo what breaks for me is really a hacky workaround for a different issue that wasn't guaranteed to work in the first place
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14:05:40gevaertsHm
14:06:27gevaertsit might be more complicated, but do the non-list bits of the skin have to be redrawn after the list anyway? The regular list doesn't seem to have such logic
14:08:58JdGordonthere is a problem with things not knowing when parts need to be redrawn
14:10:52*gevaerts nods
14:11:19gevaertsI'm wondering if what happened here might be that skin and lists now both trigger a redraw of the other
14:12:28gevaertsBut in this case I'm not sure I see the problem. Shouldn't the list area and the status bar area (skinned or not) be totally non-overlapping?
14:12:58gevaertsAnd if they are, should any of them require the other to redraw?
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14:36:29lorenzo92kugel: hey :)
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14:40:57lorenzo92kugel: okay I don't have time yet but now I've got something like an hour or so ... then ... I was able to compile the module with headers only|!
14:41:11lorenzo92I don't have any compiler here, but I can send you all!
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15:17:16freddyb_jdgordon: funman: re: using valgrind and getting issues with buflib move callback in fonts. some pointers are only used for cached or in-memory fonts. will valgrind bitch if an unused and unzered pointer gets updated?
15:19:47jhMikeSamiconn: pong (second time :)
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15:25:52lorenzo92kugelp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38710278/kernel_module_R0.zip
15:30:27amiconnjhMikeS: See http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120513#18:42:56 and http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120513#19:46:18
15:31:02kugelplorenzo92: will have a look later
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15:32:47Tornefreddyb_: i saw your FS #12677 - we'd much prefer that people submit patches in gerrit. is there a reason that doesn't work for you?
15:32:47fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12677 3Correct UI Simulator button mapping for Fuze+ (bugs, new)
15:34:34freddyb_I just haven't set up an account. I've not been very active lately.
15:36:30Torneright; so you should probably set up an account and submit it to gerrit; people are much more likely to look at it that way
15:37:19Torne(because it's way easier to do stuff with paches there than on FS)
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15:45:35pamauryfreddyb_: I'm commit that, I wanted to fix that too
15:45:39pamaury*I'll
15:46:32jhMikeSamiconn: still the case up to recent other fixes?
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15:57:46amiconnjhMikeS: It has been the case up to Sunday. Didn't try a newer build yet, but then no relevant fixes were committed after that afaics
15:59:48amiconnData abort most probably means alignment problem, so cf is unaffected
15:59:59freddyb_pamaury: thanks
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16:01:09jhMikeSamiconn: I'm pretty sure I checked ARM, not just v6
16:01:33jhMikeSweren't memory-related fixed done?
16:01:37jhMikeS*fixes?
16:03:02amiconnOnly .icode section for app targets.
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16:15:05jhMikeSe200 is working ok
16:19:03jhMikeSget anything different if talk isn't required at boot but is later?
16:19:35amiconnNo, it crashes in both cases
16:19:59amiconnI just tried latest (7909bf0), just crashes on my Mini G2
16:20:33amiconnBoot with voice disabled - boots ok. Enable menu voicing - crash within a second
16:20:53amiconnBoot with voice enabled - crashes within a second after the main menu appears
16:21:16amiconnOnly way to disable voice in the latter cases: Boot into diskmode and edit the .cfg from PC
16:21:30amiconns/cases/case/
16:22:43jhMikeSVoice is required if a voice file is present for the current language, even if disabled in the menu. Booting under a lang with no voice file and switch to a lang with one will delay creation of voice resources.
16:22:48amiconnIt only crashes if it tries to talk, btw. If you only have menu voice enabled but have start screen set to file browser, it doesn't crash right away
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16:23:20amiconnIt doesn't crash when loading voice, but when trying to talk
16:24:54jhMikeSwhat's the address of voice_buf in the buflib allocs?
16:28:02amiconn0x000D4FB8: val: 3706 (voice buf)
16:28:15jhMikeShmmm...I wonder if memset on voice_buf right after allocation would fix anything
16:28:27jhMikeShmmm...that should be ok for alignment
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16:28:57amiconnAll buflib allocs seem to be aligned to 4 bytes
16:29:15amiconnIs it normal that unallocaed ranges have negative "val"?
16:29:46jhMikeSyes
16:30:20jhMikeSactually, the buffer could be alloced but moved before the voice thread sets anything up :\
16:30:38jhMikeStd member would not be valid
16:31:11jhMikeSall I can see right now that could be an issue
16:38:50jhMikeSanything here help? http://www.pastie.org/private/iu4walobac7hwoqpj7wyew
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16:45:03*jhMikeS thinks he'll correct that oversight regardless
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16:51:26jhMikeShmmm...64-bit could blow if size_t = 64 bits and align = 4 or does bublib align to largest int size and not just 4 bytes?
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16:52:36jhMikeSerm, not sure that makes any sense at all anyway with any 64-bit crap anyway
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17:22:44CIA-79Commit 8bbd4d9 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Zero out voice buffer memory immediately after allocation.
17:27:27CIA-798bbd4d9 build result: All green
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19:18:12amiconnjhMikeS: Unfortunately 8bbd4d9 does not fix the data abort :(
19:22:52CIA-79Commit 789452a in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: (Author: Fred Bauer) fuze+: correct UI simulator button map
19:27:24CIA-79789452a build result: All green
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19:31:55jhMikeSamiconn: at least that's ruled out then. if it was structec_convert, probably a bad voicebuf pointer for some reason
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21:30:44JT|workdoes usb mass storage work on Sansa Fuze+?
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21:31:36JT|workand like a dumbass the first thing I did was flick the power button instead of opening it and letting it dry
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21:34:12JT|workahhh beautiful, thanks
21:34:26JT|workdoes anyone use this player? I hear the wheel on the older fuze is better
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