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#rockbox log for 2012-05-28

00:03:05bertrikthe lowest brightness we get now is indeed the lowest the hardware supports with the way we drive it now
00:03:32bertrikI think someone talked about an alternative way of driving it that allows lower brightness, but I never dared to try
00:03:53bertriksomething like voltage feedback mode vs. current feedback mode of one of the internal power supplies in the SoC
00:15:08bertrikodd, rockbox installed with rbutilqt crashes on boot with a panic, rockbox installed from my own-built code does not
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00:16:23bertrikhm, not very convenient: the panic backtrace addresses won't fit on the screen, missing the last digit of the address
00:18:18bertrikbluebrother, what does rbutil do different compared to just unzipping the result of make zip, when installing rockbox ?
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00:19:54bertrikperhaps some voice stuff?
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00:23:35bertrikbah, I feel anxious to recommend rockbox to anyone lately, weird hangs everywhere
00:26:38*rasher thought his sansa was dying today because of FS #10362
00:26:40fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10362 3Flickering backlight when removing hold with backlight fading (bugs, new)
00:32:39bertrikthe panic from FS #12684 seems to be caused by database stuff
00:32:39fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12684 3Any daily build for the Sansa Clip Zip from after the 2nd of May fatally crashes (bugs, unconfirmed)
00:38:25bertrikwodz, ping
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00:49:02*bertrik is happy to have a fairly complete backtrace for FS #12684 but doesn't really know what to do next
00:49:03fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12684 3Any daily build for the Sansa Clip Zip from after the 2nd of May fatally crashes (bugs, unconfirmed)
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01:04:45CIA-79Commit 08f5224 in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: Use shorter lines to show an ARM backtrace (so address fit on the clip zip screen)
01:07:10CIA-7908f5224 build result: All green
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01:14:52bertrikjhMikeS, ping
01:18:03bertrikmy theory for FS #12684 is that during building of the database during startup, something is voiced, which make talk.c call something in playback.c which is not initialised yet at that point, causing an EOM. init_tagcache() is called earlier than audio_init()
01:18:04fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12684 3Any daily build for the Sansa Clip Zip from after the 2nd of May fatally crashes (bugs, unconfirmed)
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01:38:41WilliamCThe Bootloader isn't booting Rockbox
01:39:50WilliamCI reinstalled the bootloader and it's still saying Firmware Upgrade in progress
01:40:56the-kyleI just got the qt-at-spi bridge up and running on my Arch Linux system for interfacing QT applications with the Orca screen reader. Testing using the Rockbox Utility, I have been able to successfully install talk files on my player with minimal accessibility issues.
01:41:22WilliamCI think my music player may have been bricked
01:41:31the-kyleThe main issue I had was that I needed to build the Rockbox Utility from source, so that it could be built against QT 4.8, which is the first version that works with qt-at-spi for accessibility on Linux.
01:42:02the-kyleLooks like the only other accessibility issues are the ones mentioned in the wiki.
01:42:32WilliamCWhat should I do?
01:42:46WilliamCIt says Firmware Upgrade in progress and it just stays there
01:43:14the-kyleWilliamC: How long is it saying "upgrade in progress?"
01:43:23WilliamCA few minutes
01:44:26the-kyleWilliamC: Sometimes it takes some time. I would leave it running a bit longer. It's rare, but I have seen it take up to 20 minutes.
01:44:42WilliamCIt didn't take that long before.
01:44:52the-kyleIt usually doesn/t
01:45:03WilliamCI had to reinstall the bootloader since it stopped working
01:45:10WilliamCand now the reinstall isn't working
01:45:21WilliamCI use the rbutility to install the bootloader
01:45:35the-kyleProblem is that stopping the process now could brick your player if it isn't already bricked.
01:46:23the-kyleAre you still able to boot into OF?
01:46:40WilliamCYeah, that works now
01:46:44the-kyleOr were you able to before you reinstalled, since an upgrade is still in progress?
01:46:54WilliamCBut the bootloader won't boot Rockbox still
01:47:09WilliamCShould I just stop using Rockbox?
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01:47:36the-kyleHow many times did you try to reinstall the bootloader?
01:47:47WilliamCIt reinstalled now
01:48:05the-kyleBut Rockbox is still not loading?
01:48:23WilliamCThe directory got corrupted somehow
01:49:20the-kyleTry reinstalling Rockbox itself. It seems your bootloader may be kicking you into OF due to the corruption of a necessary file in .rockbox.
01:49:35WilliamCIt wasn't kicking into OF, it was freezing
01:49:42WilliamCI reinstall Rockbox but it got corrupted
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01:51:50the-kyleIt should work if you try reinstalling the Rockbox firmware. It seems your bootloader is fine if it's able to force boot into OF.
01:52:46WilliamCIt was just being a bit lengthy
01:52:57WilliamCI tend to freak out when things don't boot
01:53:16the-kyleAh, OK. So everything is working now?
01:54:05WilliamCLet me see
01:54:14WilliamCYes
01:54:34the-kyleNice.
01:54:48WilliamCI will never install the Samsung theme again
01:56:37the-kyleSome themes do seem to make things run more slowly. I use a clip+ here, so I don't have much graphics support. I usually stick with the default theme, especially since I'm visually impaired anyway. :P
01:57:36WilliamCUSB is still Dodgy
01:57:47WilliamCYou're blind?
01:57:56the-kyleYes.
01:58:27WilliamCWe had a blind woman in my network security class.
01:58:58the-kyleThis is why I was testing the Rockbox Utility for accessibility, now that I finally have the fairly new QT accessibility package up and running on Linux.
01:59:45the-kyleI actually haven't been able to run any QT applications before today.
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02:00:17the-kyleRockbox Utility was the first QT application I decided to test extensively.
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03:39:37funmanbertrik: is it reproducible in the sim ?
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03:53:21rocktriangleWhat did bertrik mean when he said to unmount properly?
03:53:38rocktriangleAnd than you for your help bertrik.
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04:00:19rocktriangleAnd I looked, .rockbox isn't hidden at all because it's not there
04:05:09WilliamCHow do you operate a computer when blind?
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04:09:37rocktriangleExcuse me?
04:11:02rocktriangleWilliamC: I have a big problem where Rockbox won't function at all- all I get is "undefined instructions" with every time I press any button except home.
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04:11:30WilliamCOh, some guy earlier was blind and was helping other blind people use the rockbox utility.
04:11:40WilliamCBut it seems he left
04:12:04WilliamCrocktriangle, I have no clue, I'm hear because Rockbox borderline bricked my player.
04:12:06rocktriangleAnd to answer your question, I don't know but a search engine is your best friend.
04:12:07WilliamChere
04:12:27rocktriangleWhat DAP/PMP isi t?
04:12:30rocktriangleis it*
04:13:25rocktriangleDid you use an unstable build?
04:13:41WilliamCYeah
04:13:46rocktriangle:/
04:13:49rocktriangle: /
04:14:09WilliamCClip ZIp
04:14:14WilliamCI got it fixed
04:14:24rocktriangleI don't know what your dap/pmp is but it would help if you checked out how to recover it before comming it.
04:14:36rocktriangleSome players can be recovered once bricked.
04:14:47rocktriangleclip zlp?
04:15:24rocktrianglezip?
04:15:55rocktriangleHow was Doom on the zip? Was it fun?
04:17:59WilliamCI'm not even trying to play Doom
04:18:15WilliamCIt's way too small of screen, I'd need a blood magnifying glass.
04:18:21WilliamCbloody
04:20:08rocktriangleAh
04:20:32rocktriangleSo is the slightly bigger screen any advantage of the clip+ ?
04:22:12rocktriangleWilliamC: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
04:22:56WilliamCrocktriangle, it didn't brick it, it turns out that I was just being impatient.
04:23:11WilliamCI really hope they can stabilize the build.
04:23:11rocktriangleOh, nevermind then.
04:23:22WilliamCIt took longer than normal
04:23:22rocktriangleIt will be stable sooner or later.
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04:23:44WilliamCThe primary instability is the USB drivers.
04:23:54WilliamCBut I think that is common with most development
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05:05:32saratogahttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/hardware/tips-to-unlock-hidden-features-in-your-gadgets/articleshow/13578629.cms
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06:19:33rocktriangleThank you saratoga but it seems I made a very amature mistake by not putting it on the right USB mode.
06:19:58rocktriangleUnfortunately the DAP still has a problem of holding onto a file that I can't delete but I'l ltry to go here and ask tomorrow.
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11:14:25wodzbertrik: pong
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11:15:21bertrikwodz, I was wanting to ask you if it was OK to shrink the ARM backtrace display a bit (so it fits on the screen of a clip zip), but I already did it
11:15:57bertrik(I think it was you who put this thing in rockbox)
11:16:42wodzbertrik: Yeah, the frontend part of unwinder needs some love
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11:18:34bertrikwodz, the unwinder is already proving to be useful for tracking down a bug
11:19:10bertrikwe don't compile with -g by default though, and I get the impression that addr2line is off by 1 line sometimes
11:20:37bertrikcould the last thing perhaps be caused by compiler optimisation?
11:20:55wodzWhat you mean by off by one? What you get is return trace not forward trace so you basicaly get the addresses which are used to return from calls
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11:22:37bertrikok
11:34:22CIA-79Commit afc9608 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Bertrik Sikken) New crossfeed algorithm for Rockbox: "Meier" crossfeed
11:34:23CIA-79Commit eb02778 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: tools/autoconf.pl: 2 enhancements
11:34:33kugelahh ffs
11:34:48kugelmeh, it was approved anyway
11:37:03CIA-79eb02778 build result: All green
11:37:04kugelor should I revert afc9608? it was approved on g#227
11:37:06fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #227 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,227 : New crossfeed algorithm for Rockbox: "Meier" crossfeed by Bertrik Sikken (changes/27/227/9)
11:39:53wodzI opt for not reverting. It is widely accepted anyway
11:40:16kugel(I didn't mean to push it, it was by accident)
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11:42:31wodzhow codecs cooperate with pcm layer? pcm has callback get_more() does it simply swaps pcm buffer to which codec decodes and start to stream data from the ready one?
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11:49:22ZagorRockbox is mentioned in The Economic Times of India today. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/hardware/tips-to-unlock-hidden-features-in-your-gadgets/articleshow/13578629.cms
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11:59:37bertrikpamaury, ping
11:59:58webguest85Hi, I have a Sansa Clip Zip and I wanted to play a midi file. I installed the patchset, but when I try to play the file, it says no patchset is installed and quits. I double-checked, the patchset is installed in the right place What am I doing wrong?
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12:01:40kugelbertrik: are you okay with leaving afc9608 in?
12:01:51bertrikkugel, yes
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12:02:21gevaertswebguest85: which files do you have in .rockbox/patchset?
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12:04:36webguest85The files that came with the zip file on the midi player wiki page. I know there are others, but I haven't installed them.
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12:05:36bertrikgevaerts, have you made devcon euro 2012 minutes yet, by any chance?
12:05:47gevaertsbertrik: no, I should really do that :\
12:06:00gevaerts(unless you beat me to it)
12:06:23bertrikI didn't take any notes to speak of
12:06:47bertrikI remember that bluebrother would do most things :)
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12:08:51gevaertswebguest85: so you have two cfg files there, and a lot of .pat files, and *no* subdirectories?
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12:10:18bertrikpamaury, what should I do with the DRI? call imx233_dri_init(), then imx233_dri_enable(true) and then what?
12:10:28webguest85no subdirectories, tons of *.pat files, but only one .cfg file, drums.cfg.
12:10:47gevaertsThere should be a patchset.cfg as well
12:10:50pamaurybertrik: that all for now, imx233_dri_init should be called from system-imx233.c but I forgot to put it there
12:11:07pamauryand then imx233_dri_enable to enable the DRI and start streaming and false to stop
12:11:27webguest85Ah. That might be tha problem.
12:11:31webguest85the*
12:11:33gevaertsThe patchset.tbz2 file linked from the wiki does have it
12:11:35pamauryI finally fixed it so I will pastebin the new code
12:11:42bertrikwhere can I put the filter function to convert a (l+r, l-r,rssi,rds) tuple to a (l,r) ?
12:11:50pamaurythe audio is still mostly noise
12:12:06pamauryin dri-imx233.c for now, in the IRQ callback
12:12:10bertrikmeh, I just finished patching up the patch :)
12:12:20pamauryah, so you fixed it ?
12:12:45bertrikno, I just made it compile
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12:12:56pamaurybut it was compiling :-/
12:13:30bertrikprobably my git-fu is lacking
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12:13:57pamauryanyway, that's clearly a hack for now, the dri code should probably be given a callback and a buffer
12:13:59bertrikcan I apply a patch with git, such that new files from the patch are automatically added?
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12:15:31pamauryyou mean created ?
12:16:06bertrikstaged for commit I guess
12:16:54pamauryI don't know, have a look at man git apply. You can always git add them by hand
12:16:54Tornegit apply
12:17:09bertrikdidn't seem to work for me
12:17:17Torneyou want −−index
12:17:21Torneactually, sorry.
12:17:29Tornewill apply it to the index as well as the working tree
12:17:34bertrikcool
12:17:38[Saint]there's possibly some GUI based tool that does git add foo for new files added by a patch (hopefully optionallly, if it does so).
12:18:09bertrikpamaury, can you give me your new patch?
12:18:18pamauryyes, wait a minute
12:18:41Torneif you're transporting patches that are actually from git, you want git format-patch and git am, though :)
12:18:50Tornewhich willa ctually transport the commit metadata as well as the file changes :p
12:20:12pamaurybertrik: https://gist.github.com/2818354
12:20:26pamaurythat's only a hack for now, don't commit that!
12:20:42bertrikoh!? :D
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12:36:40bertrikpamaury, when should I call imx233_dri_init() ?
12:37:16bertrikI'm now simply calling it from stfm1000_init and the xfi3 hangs (but still responds to buttons to turn on the backlight)
12:41:10pamauryit's probably because it keeps being interrupted
12:41:44pamaurybecause imx233_dri_init basically does nothing
12:42:01pamaurytry to remove the call to imx233_dri_enable
12:42:03pamaurycan you have a look in the debug menu what is cpu freq ? (first screen) Also, try to not call
12:43:32pamaury(in the view HW info)
12:48:59bertrikit says 454000000
12:50:59bertrikI moved the order of some calls around and at least it's not hanging anymore, but I still gets noise from one earphone, perhaps the pins are not setup for digital audio yet (still for analog)
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13:04:46pamaurythere should be
13:04:49pamaury*they
13:05:00pamauryI only get noise too
13:05:17pamaurythat's strange that it hangs on the xfi3 and not the xfi2
13:08:51bertrikIt's no longer hanging
13:10:25bertrikwhere are the digital audio pins set up?
13:11:00pamauryit's the ENABLE_INPUTS bit of HW_DRI_CTRL
13:12:12pamauryI doubt the DRI dma would work anyway if the pins where not configured since that's the tuner which is giving the clock
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13:36:00bertrikpamaury, it doesn't seem that much has changed with or without the dma stuff, still have noise + faint audio in left and now nothing in the right earphone (possibly a clock at ultrasonic frequency)
13:36:34pamauryah, sorry, I only changed the xfi2 audio path :-s
13:37:06pamauryin audio-zenxfi3.c, in select_audio_path, remove the if and only keep imx233_audioout_select_hp_input
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13:38:43bertrikok, I'll try
13:40:08bertriknow I'm hearing interesting beeps
13:40:32bertrikchanging at 5 Hz rate or so, with different beeps left and right
13:40:58pamaurybertrik: perhaps you try to record that sound on your computer and process it with audacity
13:41:56bertrikthe change rate seems to be related to waiting periods, if I hold vol- for example, the change rate increases
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13:53:36bertrikpamaury, I wonder, I see nothing in the linux code to set the frame format and frame rate in the DRI_CTRL register
13:55:31pamaurybecause there is none
13:56:07pamauryyou can't control anything, the format is fixed by the protocol: 18-bits frames (pilot peak, attention, 16-bit audio)
13:56:16pamaurythe meaning is not specified
13:57:26bertrik but the datasheet describes bits for justification, bit order, bit number and number of samples per frame
13:57:51bertrikwhat would pilot peak mean?
13:58:58[Saint]the highest point and the predominant mountain of the Pilot Range in far eastern Elko County, Nevada?
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14:00:14[Saint]I'm guessing that's not the right one, then? ;)
14:00:34pamaurybertrik: which datasheet ?
14:00:47bertrikthe imx233 datasheet
14:01:24pamaurythe "pilot peak" is likely some synchronization bit
14:01:34pamaurythe imx233 datasheet doesn't contain anything about the dri
14:01:42pamauryonly the stmp3600 does
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14:04:08pamaurythe stfm1000 "datasheet" says that each dri packet contains 4 16-bit words: lpr, mpr, rds, rssi
14:05:49bertrikpamaury, here's a sample of the audio https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0ByItZAj1MynOdHJ4WFY5YlZaZGM/edit
14:07:47bertrikwhich datasheet is that (have a link)?
14:08:36pamauryI think I already gave it to you no ?
14:09:56bertrikI only have the "glossy" 2-page thing which speaks about features and benefits and has only a few general specs
14:10:21pamauryah, I have a 24 pages one, which is more precise but misses all the important information
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14:32:49bertrikit's almost as if the fm audio changes every time the cpu context changes
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18:00:02kugelplorenzo92 (logs): got radio up and running now. I had some trouble loading the module but now it works
18:00:32lebelliumgood news! I tell him as soon he's online :)
18:02:20bertriksometimes the database tells me to reboot to enable, othertimes it just scans and allows me to use it right away, any idea why the behaviour is different?
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18:19:35amiconnbertrik: The db uses the dircache buffer if dircache is enabled, otherwise you need to reboot
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18:21:22bertrikon the clip zip, we run into a buflib EOM when there is db stuff to do during the next startup
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18:22:31rocktriangleIs it possible to decrease contrast in my DAP with it's OLED screen further than what it allows you to go?
18:23:59Torneare you expecting a different answer than when you asked this yesterday?
18:24:47[Saint]Oooooohhhhhh, someone needs to go to the Burn Ward! :P
18:26:37WilliamCWhat's the deal with the USB support on the Clip Zip, one day it works, the next it doesn't.
18:28:47WilliamCIs there any way to have it dump a log when it crashes?
18:29:19funmanno
18:29:28WilliamCDidn't think so
18:29:41funmanthere are still some work to do on it
18:31:09WilliamCShame I don't know ASM
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18:32:51funmani don't think there is any asm in the usb driver
18:33:07WilliamCoh
18:33:16WilliamCWhat do they use?
18:33:20funmanC
18:33:55WilliamCOh, I thought devices like music players had to use ASM.
18:33:56funmanfirmware/target/arm/usb-s3c6400x.c
18:34:02amiconnbertrik: Is the Clip zip lowmem?
18:34:11funmanamiconn: no it has 8MB
18:34:22funman+ 1MB iram
18:34:33amiconnHmm, then why does it EOM?
18:35:01bertrikI think something is happening in the wrong order during boot
18:35:01funmanWilliamC: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=docs/CONTRIBUTING#l19
18:35:22WilliamCOkay
18:36:15rocktriangleNo Torne, although I wasn't satisfied.
18:36:42rocktriangleI think it was you who said that with not enough energy, it won't work- just like an incadesent lightbulb.
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18:37:05gevaertsrocktriangle: if you disagree, you're free to prove us wrong
18:37:08rocktriangleI'm not too sure but you might also have said that there's a restriction made in the hardware.
18:37:40gevaertsJust asking again only annoys people, it doesn't actually change anything
18:37:44rocktriangleThanks but I came here to have a small discussion so I can an answer from a few people.
18:37:55rocktriangleI asked many times because most of the time, no one answered.
18:38:09[Saint]I'm not even sure if the curve for the contrast in linear, you _may_ be able to reduce the minimum value somewhat, but it probably won't have much effect.
18:38:11rocktriangleI assume it could be because I ask when everyone's about to go to sleep.
18:38:33[Saint]We also had the "its pretty much irrelevant from a power saving standpoint" discussion also.
18:38:44bertrikamiconn, I can see from a backtrace that tagcache_init tries to speak db-building progress, and talk uses the audio buffer, but audio is initialised after tagcache
18:38:53rocktriangleThat I don't recall at all, Saint.
18:39:00rocktriangleOh that.
18:39:02Tornerocktriangle: someone specifically answered the exact details
18:39:04rocktriangleYes!
18:39:11rocktriangleHowever this is now a different issue Saint.
18:39:14Tornethe way we drive the power circuitry on the device cannot currently go any lower
18:39:19rocktriangleI had a huge need to use it at night.
18:39:21TorneThere's possibly other ways to drive it that might go lower
18:39:26Tornebut, they may also be unsafe or not work
18:39:34Torneand nobody is particularly inclined to experiment with it
18:39:35rocktriangleAnd it's extremely blinding even when at the lower contrast.
18:39:35gevaertsIt could also be because people have figured out that you'll forget or won't believe the answer anyway, so they don't bother answering
18:39:36Torneas it's fiddly and hard.
18:39:52Torneas i said, oled drivers are tricky
18:39:53rocktriangleI'll believe it and do it if possible.
18:40:01Tornefeel free to do it
18:40:10Tornebut you'll have to go read the datasheet for the OLED and write the code
18:40:23rocktriangleBe right back.
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19:18:38bertrikcan't reproduce the EOM problem on the sim :(
19:19:57funmandoes valgrind show anything ?
19:20:13bertrikhaven't tried
19:21:34bertrikoh, dircache is on by default on the sim apparently
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19:35:21tidbitsHello, I would like to ask what the different recording trigger types "pause", "stop" and "newfile" do. I referred to the manual but the information is missing. I own an iriver H10 20gb.
19:37:40[Saint]"Trigtype.
19:37:40[Saint]Add description of Trigtype Options: Stop, Pause, New File."
19:37:50[Saint]well...that's bloody helpful, isn't it? ;)
19:39:07tidbitsSorry, I don't understand. Does it add some kind of descriptor to the file?
19:39:38tidbitsOr was the sentence meant to be a placeholder for the info to be added later?
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20:04:16jhMikeSI think it refers to what happens every time the audio level drops below the trigger threshold.
20:06:10jhMikeSpause = pause recording, stop = stop recording, newfile = start a new file for next time
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20:24:46bertrikI think I found the bug with fs#12684, I was looking at the wrong init function
20:24:47fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12684 3Any daily build for the Sansa Clip Zip from after the 2nd of May fatally crashes (bugs, unconfirmed)
20:24:59bertrikstill don't understand why I can't reproduce in the sim though
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20:57:07funmanno luck with valgrind?
20:57:48jhMikeSIt could be the case that it grabs more buffer than it used to, because it's not automatically allocated
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21:00:12bertrikI suspect some ordering problem in init, and this is different between the sim and target anyway
21:01:02jhMikeSdoesn't sim just allocate a buffer the size of RAM that doesn't also have the firmware in it?
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21:01:42bertrikI have no idea, I'm not familiar at all with the whole buffering system
21:01:50funmanhm you mean we should reduce it a bit to accout for bss/text/rodata?
21:02:27bertrikin audio_reset_buffer there's a call core_alloc_maximum("audiobuf", &filebuflen, &ops) that returns -1
21:02:45bertrik(in playback.c)
21:02:52bertrikthis is bad/fatal, right?
21:03:20jhMikeSyeah
21:03:45jhMikeSthe trace in the comment also looks goofy
21:04:37jhMikeSwas a core_free missed by any chance?
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21:12:04bertrikmeh, now I can't get the backtrace addresses to resolve to a source line anymore ...
21:12:21jhMikeSno, it should core_free, check out how much is left after the core_free
21:12:28funmanbertrik: forgot -g ?
21:12:48funmanelse arm-elf-objdump rockbox.elf can help
21:13:02bertrikyes, I did a make reconf at some point, bah
21:13:48bertrikI was planning to mail the -dev list with a request for default -g
21:14:29jhMikeSwell, it is trying to restore the audio buffer to playback state, so, at that point does tagcache have the buffer too?
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21:17:04jhMikeSsure looks like it to me
21:17:26jhMikeStc tempbuf is interfereing
21:20:43bertrikjhMikeS, can you make any sense of it yet?
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21:22:22jhMikeSsure
21:22:43*bluebrother^ starts to get somewhere with filtering the LaTeX output
21:23:00bertrikperhaps audiobuf_handle should be set to 0 everytime we do a core_free(audiobuf_handle); ?
21:23:20jhMikeStagcache_init allocates tc tempbuf, then the voice tries to get a buffer, which nowadays has to hit up for the audio buffer, and there's no room for that so "boom"
21:24:05jhMikeSbut this is the sort of crap I'm working ironing out
21:25:51bluebrother^is this too terse? http://pastebin.com/KARaMid8
21:26:10bluebrother^I also was thinking about adding some LaTeX warnings back to the output
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21:30:22bertrikah, so there are several subsystems who claim all available buffer with core_alloc_maximum
21:30:44jhMikeSyeah, then shrink it once it knows the final size
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21:42:15amiconnbertrik: Meh, unnoticed init order problems are nasty. Very often they cause instability which is hard to track down. Otoh adding lots of code just to protect from that would also be nasty
21:43:24bertrikamiconn, jhMikeS looked at it and it appears to be a memory allocation problem rather. Both tagcache and the voice menu system try to claim the entire memory.
21:45:12jhMikeSwhen it did "work" talk would be loading voice straight into the tc tempbuf
21:45:39*amiconn should try whether voice is still broken on Clip+
21:46:03jhMikeSamiconn: I didn't find a nasty "oops" that was likely the reason
21:46:25jhMikeSit started crashing e200, but what was remarkable was it wasn't just crashing flat out all the time
21:47:10jhMikeSs/I didn't/I did
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21:50:07bertrikDoes anyone have a list of things in mind to be tested before we flag a target as ready for release?
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22:09:47n1sbertrik: given the type of bugs we have managed to ship with, i'd say testing the basic playback/recording/radio/voice/database would be a good start
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22:13:04bertrikI was thinking about a basic high-level test taking about a half hour or so
22:13:21bertrikWhat kind of stuff typically went wrong in earlier releases?
22:13:54n1sin 3.11 there was one target for which sound didn't work at all...
22:14:48bertrikWe got a high power consumption bug, but I think it's quite hard to test for that.
22:14:50n1sno, seems i was wrong,
22:15:08bertrikn1s, mrobe didn't have sound I think
22:15:15n1syeah
22:15:42n1sand the portal player sansa fm radios
22:15:56amiconnOn Ondio 3.10 and 3.10 had very unreiable storage access
22:16:00n1siirc we have had recording not working on some player on release
22:16:05amiconnerr, 3.10 and 3.11
22:16:47n1sbertrik: so i think if we could test the basics as i suggested we would be in a better place than now, assuming we can find someone to do the testing
22:17:21n1sat least playback/recording/radio should be doable in 5 min
22:18:59jhMikeSfunny, init_tagcache wants to voice but is being called before talk would ever be initialized
22:20:00funmanperhaps we need to port upstart to rockbox
22:20:00n1si would expect player specific bugs are more likely to go unnoticed
22:20:03gevaertsI'd say "works well enough to be stable" is more of a problem for existing stable targets than for new targets...
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22:21:28jhMikeSlooks to me like any sort of attemt to voice anything in inits called before audio just need to be #if 0'ed for the time being
22:25:38jhMikeSthough there's still some archaic assumptions about what playback needs that are no longer true that came from the old way of allocating permanent buffers
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22:26:34jhMikeSaudio and such could be initialized much sooner
22:28:18bertrikeverybody appears to be borrowing buffers from everybody else! :D
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22:29:33jhMikeSbertrik: indeed. it's a mess and I'm hellbent on bringing to sanity!
22:31:24*preglow salutes
22:34:26kugellorenzo92: ping
22:34:35lorenzo92kugel: pong
22:35:35kugellorenzo92: I'm about to commit your module & fm radio work
22:36:14lorenzo92kugel: yeah!! that's a good piece of news ;)
22:36:49lorenzo92sorry that I delivered you the work but in this period I am pretty busy at uni :)
22:37:24lorenzo92kugel: btw how does it work? where is the module stored? firmware or rockbox folder?
22:37:38kugel /lib/firmware
22:37:39lebelliumand the 2 guys finally managed to catch each other! :D
22:38:19kugel /lib/modules*
22:41:28bertrikjhMikeS, as far as I understood, voice only wanted 64k, but caused the entire audio buf to be initialised because of these interdependencies
22:42:57bertrikoh, scrap that, never mind, I think I just don't understand yet how the audiobuffer works
22:44:29lorenzo92kugel: indeed the best place ;)
22:44:38jhMikeSvoice right now has no way to just get it's own buffer when it needs it so it just restores it all but that won't work if another allocated everything
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22:46:42DethSoneis there a guy here who does Youtube videos who's youtube name is 'FoxOTC'?
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23:02:20kugellorenzo92: can you have a quick look at the first two commits of kugel-/rockbox/commits/ypr0">https://github.com/kugel-/rockbox/commits/ypr0 ?
23:03:00kugel9c33f93c1c adds the module, 3cad5573b6 is your patch from gerrit
23:05:47lorenzo92kugel: yes looks fine :) great idea to compress everything and keep the binary outside..
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23:24:39kugellorenzo92: alright, I'll push to master then
23:24:59lorenzo92yes, tomorrow or so I will try that too :)
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23:28:06CIA-79Commit 9c33f93 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: ypr0: Add kernel module to required support fm radio.
23:28:06CIA-79Commit 3cad557 in rockbox by 03Thomas Martitz: (Author: Lorenzo Miori) ypr0: This patch adds radio support to Samsung YP-R0
23:29:05lebelliumkugel: should it work with the fw 2.30 or a special fw is required now?
23:30:08lorenzo92lebellium: of course it works with our firmwares...but it would be better to update them too :)
23:30:35lebelliumok cool then I try the latest build right now
23:30:41lorenzo92yes ;)
23:30:54CIA-793cad557 build result: All green
23:31:43lebelliumbut what files are still required besides the .rockbox folder?
23:37:14 Join bieber_ [0] (~quassel@97.97.75.169)
23:37:39kugellebellium: only the flashed rom and rockbox.zip (i.e. the .rockbox folder)
23:38:02lebelliumI can delete the rockbox_loader.sh ?
23:38:14kugellebellium: I dont know fw 2.30 exactly, but i guess it the kernel module (even if at a different place) so it should work
23:38:59kugellebellium: i was talking about the "official" patched rom. I don't know if lorenzo92's rom still requires rockbox_loader.sh
23:39:17kugelour official one doesnt
23:39:24lebelliumI never saw an official rom ;)
23:40:07lorenzo92hehe hidden from public XD
23:40:31kugelthere's no download but you can compile it from source
23:40:36lorenzo92basically it does everything in a simplier way, our fw 2.30 has extra goodies...
23:40:43lebelliumlorenzo92: should I keep the rockbox_loader.sh and si4709.ko files?
23:40:54lorenzo92lebellium: simply unzip the rockbox package as always!
23:41:03lorenzo92keep everything
23:41:37lebelliumok so yes we need a ROM without this si4709.ko file, that doesn't look serious :D
23:44:15lorenzo92:D
23:47:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:50:56lorenzo92great it works ;)
23:51:02lorenzo92next step: RDS :D
23:52:06bertrikshould be easy, compared to stfm1000
23:52:29lorenzo92kugel: for that we will need to create a new thread that polls a gpio for rds ready or so...
23:53:37 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120423122928])
23:55:26lebelliumok it works indeed. Thank you kugel and lorenzo

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