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#rockbox log for 2012-05-31

00:04:36bluebrotheryay, it's working :)
00:04:53bluebrotherthis byteswapping was swapping too much :o
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00:29:54bluebrotherdoes voice work in the clip sim? Or doesn't voice work for lowmem targets in the sim?
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00:48:53CIA-79Commit ba8e436 in rockbox by 03Michael Sevakis: Disable attempts to voice init_tagcache.
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00:51:23CIA-79ba8e436 build result: All green
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01:22:28leavittxPeople, I'm trying to run rockbox sim in gdb, but the process receive SIGUSR1 signal. Who knows how to fix that?
01:24:04leavittxJdGordon? :)
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01:33:24leavittxNevermind, I figured it out myself
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01:45:24jhMikeSsaratoga: oh, there was a gerrit patch lol
01:45:44saratogayeah was wondering about that
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08:35:50wodzhttps://github.com/tangrs/ndless-bflt-loader/tree/master/bflt <- this looks pretty simple to use in rb. MPLv2 is GPL compatible I think
08:39:30wodzyeah, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html says MPLv2 is GPL compatible if not explicitly restricted
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09:04:25kugelwodz: looks cool. it uses malloc but that shouild be fixable
09:05:46wodzkugel: we need place for loading bin anyway
09:06:38kugelbtw, there's firmware/load_code.c but I don't suppose it can be unified with g#190?
09:06:45kugelg#190
09:06:46fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #190 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,190 : Move load_firmware() to separate file to share it between bootloaders and rolo(). by Marcin Bukat (changes/90/190/1)
09:07:48kugelload_code.c is used for codecs, plugins and imageview.rock
09:09:59wodzheh, technically speaking the loading code is not correct. It assumes that sections are layed out one after another which can be untrue. Should be easy to fix though
09:10:11wodzI mean bflt from the link
09:11:58kugelwodz: iirc it's true for bflt (there's an article about it)
09:12:21kugelin the file anyway
09:12:47wodzkugel: thats not true. .text don't have to be just after bflt header
09:14:43wodzehh no. The problem is that bflt can have .text segment in ROM and .data in RAM
09:15:09wodz"As every absolute address is referenced to zero, we can simply add the base address of the text segment to each address needing fix-up. This would be true if the data segment immediately follows the text segment, but we now have complications of -msep-data where the text segment can be in ROM and the data segment in another location in RAM. Therefore we can no longer assume that the .data+.bss segment and text segment will immediately follow
09:15:09wodzeach other. "
09:16:18kugelpkay
09:16:23kugelokay*
09:16:31kugeli misremembered then
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09:38:04[Saint__]Hmmm...my 240x320 CabbieV2 on github should "just work" with RTL langs now, apart from some ugly hardcoding of English strings for a few non-translated things.
09:38:22[Saint__]I really don't know what to do about that.
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11:01:46JdGordonanyone care to comment on g#220?
11:01:59JdGordong#220
11:02:01fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #220 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#change,220 : make the sleep timer menu item usable in quick screen by Richard Fröhning (changes/20/220/3)
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11:22:49JdGordonis Richard Fröhning here?
11:23:05*JdGordon looks at the previous nick change and facepalms
11:23:08JdGordonRFroehning: ping?
11:29:00RFroehningJdGordon, hi
11:31:49RFroehningthe second patchset can be deleted, was a mistake i made...
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11:32:43RFroehningone thing about the Start Sleep Timer... there is another Setting "Start Sleep Timer On Boot"... thats why I used Run instead...
11:33:37JdGordonRFroehning: seen my comment?
11:33:39wodzwith a bit of hackery it is possible to install elf2flt and friends and it seems to not break our toolchains
11:37:23RFroehningyes - it true there is no indication about the sleeptimer running or not
11:38:09JdGordonI'm not sure my suggestion will completly fix it, but i tihnk its better than the yes/no thats there now
11:39:06RFroehninginstead of the status bar I used a modified wps which displays the sleep timer when running
11:39:19RFroehningbut an indicator in the statusbar would be nice indeed
11:39:31JdGordonand comepltly seperate issue :)
11:39:38JdGordonah, there is already a skin tag for it?
11:39:44RFroehning%bs
11:41:49RFroehningI like the cusom formatter, but it has this drawback - it cant go to the quickscreen
11:42:14JdGordonyes it can
11:42:25JdGordoncustom int
11:42:35RFroehningoh - i have to look into it then
11:43:49JdGordonyou'll need use the F_TEMPVAR flag in the settings_list item
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11:54:10JdGordonif you dont then changing from "continue" to on/off will happen immediatly which will probably break things
11:57:39RFroehningok - i need to see how that works - and try to apply your suggestions
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12:06:41gevaertswodz: pong
12:06:42RFroehningJdGordon, can it be you mean the choice setting instead of custom int?
12:06:53JdGordonyes
12:08:10JdGordonwell, either shold do it
12:08:17JdGordonINT_SETTING_W_CFGVALS() is probably best
12:08:49JdGordonyeah, definitly that one
12:09:47wodzwhat am I missing that I get this http://pastie.org/4000764 when hand compiling plugin?
12:10:55wodzgevaerts: I was about to ask about some makefile support but now I dived into something else
12:11:11RFroehningok
12:11:40wodzgevaerts: still maybe you know what I am missing when linking plugin? pluginlib or something
12:12:02gevaertswodz: no idea. Have you compared what you're doing to what make V=1 does?
12:13:03wodzgevaerts: I took the line make V=1 gives and added -Wl,-elf2flt to get bflt format output
12:13:15gevaertsHmm
12:13:20wodzgevaerts: I guess it adds something at linking stage
12:13:44*gevaerts has a quick look
12:14:15wodzmissing rb symbol pretty much looks like something generic
12:15:25wodzmy hacky idea is to write plugin which will be able to load and run another plugin in bflt format :-)
12:15:47gevaertsThat sounds like a good start :)
12:18:42gevaertshm
12:19:26gevaertswodz: for a gigabeat F build, if I take the line used to build lamp.elf and add -Wl,-elf2flt at the end, it seems to link for me
12:19:46gevaertsI do get "arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol lf2flt; defaulting to 0000000001f56818", but that's it
12:20:35wodzhmm
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12:22:40wodzhttp://pastie.org/4000807
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12:24:44gevaertswodz: I wasn't trying to compile straight from the C file, I just replaced (and changed) the line that links everything to make the elf file
12:25:14gevaertsIt looks like you're missing plugin_crt0.o
12:25:39gevaerts(at least)
12:25:46gevaertsanyway, lunch!
12:27:28wodzgevaerts: with plugin_crt0.o I get /home/wodz/crosstoolchains/arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld.real: error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.header' which makes more sense
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12:31:58kugelJdGordon: sleep timer it already uses a custom formatter right now doesnt it?
12:32:04wodzbah, it is way more complicated that I thought at the begining.
12:32:14kugelthe menu item shows the remaining time if it's running
12:34:11JdGordonyes, different formatter
12:34:46JdGordonthere is the formatter for the menu entry (which it uses now, being as it isnt a setting) and the formatter the setting screen uses to display the items
12:36:12kugelalright
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13:13:46gevaertswodz: why do you want to compile the entire plugin in one go? Just replacing (or adjusting) the final link line sounds much easier...
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13:15:26wodzgevaerts: what you mean by final link line?
13:15:36*gevaerts will paste a diff in a minute
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13:17:05wodzanyway this will not work I guess. plugin_ctr0.c defines sections which are not known to elf2flt.
13:17:40wodzI'll start with something more basic.
13:18:47gevaertshttp://paste.debian.net/172157/
13:18:59gevaertsNot sure if those flt files actually are correct though
13:19:10kugelwodz: yea, you need to handle iram
13:19:47gevaertsYou don't need iram for all plugins, it probably makes sense to ignore that for now
13:19:59kugelthat's why it's a tough gsoc proposal. existing solutions such as blft are not entirely sufficient
13:20:27kugelgevaerts: that means two loaders doesnt it?
13:20:55wodzextending bflt should be easy it is just a matter of making it understand i* sections
13:20:58pamauryI think we should handle device serial numbers in a more proper way. The current way (everything in usb_core.c) is a bit ugly
13:21:00kugelwhat's the cost of relocatable binaries (not PIC)?
13:21:22wodzkugel: startup time I guess
13:21:44Torneimplementation complexity. the startup time will be negligible.
13:21:58gevaertspamaury: go for it :)
13:22:12kugelbut no runtime cost (ignoring code size of the loader)?
13:22:17Tornenone at all
13:22:28Tornerelocations are applied once and then discarded
13:22:40kugelthen we ideally want a single loader for core, plugins and codecs :)
13:22:55Torneyeah, you don't need to implement the loader logic more than once.
13:23:10Tornealso, the core doesnt really need ot be relocatable, still
13:23:13Torneat least, on most platforms.
13:23:47kugelbut having a single loader (and not 2+) is a good thing isnt it?
13:23:49wodzI feel bflt or something similar is the way to go. Our current approach is very limited
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13:25:53gevaertsIf we have a decent loader in core, we could consider splitting the core for (very) lowmem players so you can e.g. get rid of the database code if you're not using it
13:25:54pamaurygevaerts: how do you think we should do that ? I was thinking about a dev_serial.h header and a dev_serial/ subdirectory in drivers/ containing one driver per way of getting it. And of course a fallback one. Currently I think there would be: as3514, imx233ocotp, ipodarch and ata. Is that reasonable? Do you have suggestions?
13:26:31kugelgevaerts: more stuff as plugin generally, yes
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13:27:07Tornekugel: you are misunderstanding what "loader" means in this context, i think
13:27:15Tornethe thing that actually does the loading a binary into ram is not interesting
13:27:18Tornethat's just read()
13:27:27Tornethe relocation part is the intersting bit
13:27:33Torneand that part just doesn't need to be done for core
13:27:38Tornethough we could, indeed, split core into more parts
13:27:47Tornethe "main" binary shouldn't ever need to be relocatable
13:28:15kugelyes, but if it can be at no cost we don't need to maintain multiple loaders
13:28:22gevaertspamaury: sounds reasonable to me, although I'd call it something else ("serial" implies a serial bus to me, usually)
13:28:31Tornei don't think i understand what "multiple loaders" you're talking about
13:28:35kugelit's not just read(), it's crt startup too
13:28:43Torneer, what?
13:28:58Tornei don't see how that's related
13:29:26pamaurygevaerts: hmm, right. Any idea? serial_number? dev_id? serial_id?
13:29:41kugelwe could use the same loader for rolo that loades plugins. currently they are separate (and another one in boootloaders)
13:29:45gevaertspamaury: serial_id sounds best I think. "number" is so long... :)
13:29:52pamauryok
13:30:03Tornekugel: i don't understand what code there is in there to even combine, though
13:30:19Torneit loads a file from disk to a preset address
13:30:23Tornethen jumps to its entry point
13:30:24Torneno?
13:30:26Tornethere isn't anything else
13:30:28pamaurygevaerts: does the iSerial usb string needs to be 0 terminated?
13:31:37gevaertspamaury: no. It needs to know how long it is, but that's it. I'd consider having the serial_id api just return a char[] and a lenght, and let the calling code deal with how it wants to format the thing
13:32:17pamaurygevaerts: I'm asking this because the code in usb_core.c seems to set the length of the descriptor to 2+2*(nr_chars+1) each time
13:33:47gevaertspamaury: the length is the length of the entire descriptor, including the descriptor type and length field
13:34:25pamauryyes I know, but have a look at the ramdisk case for example: bLength=84. That's 2+2*41 and the string is only 40 characters
13:34:55gevaertshm
13:35:05pamaurysorry, ata case
13:35:17pamaurybut all cases are doing this
13:37:04pamaury68 => 33 characters, 52 => 25 characters
13:37:09gevaertsAh, right!
13:37:25gevaertsThe first character is for encoding the interfaces we have enabled
13:38:00gevaertsSo we have to allocate one more, and start at wString[1]. wString[0] depends on MSD, HID, serial, ...
13:39:03pamauryah!! There should be a comment about that
13:40:17wodzgevaerts: with your patch plain elf is generated (with bflt extension though)
13:40:35gevaertswodz: yes, something is wrong. It also doesn't give me this warning anymore
13:41:16wodzand if I recall correctly gigabeatF doesn't use iram which would explain lack of errors from this side
13:43:06gevaertsoh, of course
13:43:24wodzgevaerts: its −−Wl,-elf2flt versus -Wl,-elf2flt :-)
13:43:40gevaertsYes, I just saw :)
13:46:37wodzok now it throws error from elf2flt at least
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13:57:35CIA-79Commit a87a9ef in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: imxtools: move tools to a new sbtools/ subdirectory
13:57:36CIA-79Commit 64b8d1e in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: imx233: add ocotp driver
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13:57:37CIA-79Commit 9bae382 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: Fill USB serial number descriptor on imx233 targets.
13:57:59pamaurygevaerts: I will implement the serial_id framework and post in on gerrit for review later
13:59:58CIA-799bae382 build result: All green
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14:12:27pamauryhmm, that's incredible how the mp3 -> flac transition on the fuze+ *always* causes a data abort or a prefetch abort
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14:41:40wodzwhere is rb ptr defined which all plugins refer to?
14:43:21wodznevermind its in apps/plugin.c
14:44:25lebellium_gs2In sbs what are the possible entries for "show icons:" ? Cause when I load the Alien+ theme on R0 then reload my theme the icons are not shown anymore
14:53:04pamauryhmm, I can't a ogg file anymore on my device, the output is just garbage
14:53:32pamaury*play
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15:01:18lebellium_gs2Euh noy sbs, cfg file I mean
15:01:49wodzplugin.c which defines const struct plugin_api *rb is compiled into core. How does linker do not barf about missing symbol when linking plugins then?
15:05:42Tornearen't plugins linked with -r?
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15:08:57wodzLDFLAGS are like this -T/home/wodz/rockbox-git/build/apps/plugins/plugin.link -Wl,−−gc-sections -Wl,-Map,apps/plugins/battery_bench.map
15:10:27wodzwell PLUGINLDFLAGS
15:12:31Tornewodz: you're mistaken, is why :@)
15:12:44Tornethere *is* a const struct plugin_api *rb in core
15:12:54Tornewhich is a pointer to the one in core, i think
15:13:07Tornebut there is also one in each plugin, defined in PLUGIN_HEADER
15:13:24Torneand then further pointed to by struct plugin_header for plugin loader to find it
15:14:03Tornehm, actually, no, there's not a "rb" in core that i can see
15:14:12wodzplugin.c
15:14:17TorneNot there
15:14:20Torneat least, not in the copy i'm looking in
15:14:30Tornethere is an actual instance of the struct called rockbox_api
15:14:51wodzhmm true
15:15:22Torneso yeah. *rb is defined in each plugin by PLUGIN_HEADER, and is defined as extern in plugin.h
15:15:36Torneand then the .header section of the plugin points to it, so that core can assign rockbox_api's address to it
15:16:49wodzI apparently miss the step where *rb is set to address in the core
15:16:59wodzor don't understand it to be precise
15:16:59Torneit's done via an additional pointer
15:17:14wodzyou mean by the loader?
15:17:24Tornethe plugin header has a field "api"
15:17:28Tornewhich is a pointer to *rb
15:17:29wodzyes
15:17:37wodzyes
15:17:57Torneplugin_load just does *(p_hdr->api) = &rockbox_api;
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15:18:10Tornethe header is compiled into a separate section called .header
15:18:16Tornewhich our linker script alwasys places at the beginning
15:18:18Torneso the loader can find it
15:19:05Torne"*(p_hdr->api)" from core's POV is "rb" from the plugin's POV
15:19:22wodzok I think I got it
15:19:32Tornethis is, basically,a relocation :0
15:19:38Tornejust a very limited one that can only do one thing :p
15:23:06wodzok our toolchain produce R_ARM_V4BX realocs which elf2flt doesn't handle
15:26:55pamaurywhat is the linker script used by the codecs? plugins.lds?
15:27:59Tornewodz: elf2flt should just discard those relocations unless the target is ARMv4 (not ARMv4T)
15:28:07TorneI dont' think we have any ARMv4 targets.
15:28:52Tornethey are used to mark where bx instructions occur, so that the linker invoked with −−fix-v4bx can convert them to "mov pc, <rN>"
15:29:00Tornein order to make binaries run on chips without thumb
15:29:40wodzTorne: I am just trying to do this :-)
15:29:56Tornewell, patch elf2flt :p
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18:29:57pamauryit is a shame that usb-drv-arc expects that usbbss and qharray have virtual = physical address
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18:32:14pamauryhaha! The flac -> mp3 data abort on the fuze+ is due to a null-pointer dereference!!
18:32:33pamauryvery weird, prefetch abort at 0
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19:03:13bertrikpamaury, I'm fine with committing the RDS improvement patch
19:03:34bertrikg#237
19:03:40pamauryah yeah, I was about to ask you, I forgot about it and stumbled on it on gerrit :)
19:04:18bertriknot quite sure that the current timeout values are completely optimal, but it works fine for me, and better for you :)
19:04:20pamauryI'll commit it right now, feel free to change the magic constants based on experiments if you feel that's it is necessary
19:04:41CIA-79Commit f7b2e31 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: rds: implement more robust PS/RT parsing
19:04:58pamaurythanks
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19:07:56pamauryoops
19:08:52bertrikmeh, I don't see how the patch caused that
19:09:08pamauryyeah, that's strange
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19:12:26bertrikI do see the same problem locally, perhaps it's caused by the kernel.h include?
19:13:29pamauryif that is the case, it looks wrong then
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19:16:35pamauryapparently you are right, something is fishy
19:17:21bertrik#include "system.h" fixes it
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19:19:28pamauryI'm a bit surprised that it worked before
19:19:51pamauryI'll fix that
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19:21:40pamaurybertrik: do you have a non-imx233 device at hand (like the clip zip)?
19:21:52bertrikyes
19:22:23pamaurycould you check (with a recent build) if switching from mp3 to flac or the converse crashes or not?
19:22:28CIA-79f8aa5c4 build result: All green
19:22:44bertriknot sure if I have any flac tracks
19:23:17pamauryyou can easily find one of the internet
19:23:49pamaurybecause of the fuze+, the flac > mp3 switch generates a data abort or an undefined instruction and it's 100% reliable
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19:26:44bertrikok, I'll try
19:26:52bertrikit doesn't crash the sim?
19:27:05pamauryno
19:28:00pamauryotoh, I can't really see an explaination, except a cache related problem or something broken in the pcm driver
19:30:56bertrikshould I make the flac->mp3 transition naturally, or should I try to skip?
19:31:17pamaurynaturally
19:31:39bertrikplayback with automatic transition from flac->mp3 seems to work fine
19:31:53pamauryand when skipping ?
19:31:54bertrikI did forward a bit in the flac first though :)
19:32:13bertrikskipping also works fine
19:32:32bertrikI don't have crossfade active, only crossfeed and eq
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19:39:48saratoga_pamaury: you could try disabling the icache and see if that fixes the problem
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22:07:03ZeetherI'm having an issue with the last.fm log and uploading it...I've used two programs to scrobble the log and none of the tracks in it are showing up in my account
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22:11:54ZeetherI just tried Rock Scrobbler and it ignored all 7 of the tracks in the log too
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22:27:29ZeetherThere must be some problem with my playlist or the log file, I have no idea
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22:28:39gevaertsZeether: did you play those tracks for long enough?
22:28:48ZeetherYes
22:29:04ZeetherI listened to most of them for more than 50% of the track, which is enough
22:29:05CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
22:29:05*gevaerts has no idea how this works or why one would want it, but he seems to remember something like a 30 second minimum
22:29:11ZeetherThey are listed in the log too
22:29:23gevaertsAre times correct?
22:29:24ZeetherBut when I try scrobbling it ignores them entirely
22:29:26Zeetheryes
22:29:44ZeetherI've listened to the tracks before and they've scrobbled just fine
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22:38:21ZeetherI'm going to try a few things to see if I can fix it, might reinstall rockbox or something
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22:50:15ZeetherOkay, I refreshed the database, turned the log off and back on and now it *seems* to work
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