#rockbox 2012-06-07

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#rockbox log for 2012-06-07

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00:10:50	funman	it dates back from r26126
00:11:10	funman	.describe 922f83e64
00:11:10	fs-bluebot	3Not quite working yet, but almost. by 3Tobias Diedrich (from Tue, 18 May 2010 07:00:57 +0000)
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01:36:40	RFroehning	how can i use INT_SETTING_W_CFGVALS such as that the callback will be called only on confimation of the setting? F_TEMPVAR seems not to be the solutions.
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01:37:10	RFroehning	so while switching between the different settings (displayed by a formatter)
01:37:25	RFroehning	the actuall values are not changed until confirmed.
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01:38:28	RFroehning	the reason for this: i want to have a switch between "on, continue, off" for a sleeptimer, but if i switch from off to continue.. it would be 0 and switching from on to continues results in the preset value ...
01:38:57	RFroehning	problem: how do i know in quckscreen about the confirmation?
01:39:04	RFroehning	it will be set instantly i guess?
01:43:14	saratoga	bertrik, funman: uncommenting that breaks USB mode for me (play goes into USB, windows dings twice but it never mounts)
01:43:33	saratoga	player doesn't crash or anything though
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02:04:09	funman	we should ask ranmachan
02:04:46	funman	ranmachan: do you remember why there is a return in the middle of usb_drv_cancel_all_transfers in usb-drv-as3525.c ?
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02:43:02	ranmachan	funman: Hmm, sorry, no clue. Maybe I added it while debugging and just forgot to remove it... shrugs
02:45:52	ranmachan	And it does look like I never implemented it properly
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08:03:06	*	[Saint] wonders why he never recalls ever seeing two wiki user lists
08:03:36	[Saint]	going right back to rev==200 tells me I'm insane, but, I still never recall seeing this.
08:04:24	[Saint]	Something about the wiki is fundamentally broken, my usual trick to get it working stopped working the last time I tried adding someone (creating their user page manually)
08:04:37	gevaerts	I intend to ask Zagor about this when he oins
08:04:39	gevaerts	*joins
08:05:27	[Saint]	Sometimes when you add someone, their user page isn't created when they log in, and they never actually get access...I used to be able to "fix" this by creating the user page manually and adding a blank user form to it, but that failed the last time I tried it too.
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08:07:12	[Saint]	I recall finding a nice little edit box a while back, that automagically added the new wikiuser into the group for you...but I can't erven seem to find that anymore.
08:07:21	[Saint]	...oh, maybe I have to be logged in.
08:10:07	[Saint]	Hmmmm...there's also a mile of blank space at the end of the page.
08:10:14	[Saint]	something is busted.
08:12:57	[Saint]	Hmmmm....it doesn't seem to like Chrome very much. But, I managed to get the "add memeber" thing to pop up again, that's a slight bonus I guess.
08:13:17	[Saint]	it just won't let me click on the history links anymore. :-S
08:13:39	gevaerts	History links didn't work for me either, I had to build the URL by hand
08:13:51	[Saint]	it worked for me before I logged in.
08:15:02	[Saint]	My speculation, is that if we grap both lists, and run it through sort+unique, then remove the dead user pages, things should go a lot smoother.
08:15:10	[Saint]	*grab
08:15:54	[Saint]	I've /always/ wanted to do this...but, the potential risk isn't worth it if I really messed things up, since I'm not a Swede.
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08:19:24	[Saint]	the wiki is certainly seems to be the most neglected Rockbox "product"(?)
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08:21:27	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch is an amusing example, the last good revision is from 12 years ago.
08:21:41	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebSearch?rev=6
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08:30:53	[Saint]	fuck me: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives/old-news-pages/dead-boy-wakes-up-and-asks-for-water-at-own-funeral-in-brazil/story-e6frf7n6-1226386975762
08:31:16	[Saint]	you'd be all like "Ahhhhhhhrgh!...hmmm? yay!"...."Awwwww..."
08:32:31	[Saint]	...lets pretend that didn't happen.
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09:14:50	untrack	Retro.
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09:23:43	wodz	what are ncdata and ncbss sections?
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09:44:42	kugel	wodz: uncached perhaps?
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10:02:07	wodz	kugel: judging from comments it is but my question was more how they are placed, how they are used and why
10:02:41	wodz	at first glance it looks like another complication for relocating loader
10:03:05	kugel	they are in normal data/bss but have uncached aliases mapped (using MMU) to other addresses
10:04:08	wodz	they are linked differently
10:05:01	kugel	yes, they are linked to the uncached aliases but their real postion is interleaved with normal data/bss
10:05:23	kugel	so the loader loads all data to the same space
10:05:37	wodz	but that means that relocation would be different for this
10:06:47	wodz	the difference would be NOCACHE_BASE if I understand linker script correctly
10:08:24	kugel	as the copy location is the same and the DRAM_BASE and NOCACHE_BASE difference is constant i don't think the loader needs to tread it specially
10:09:03	kugel	the offset to NOCACHE_BASE can be applied at link time, the loader would add the DRAM_BASE offset as normal
10:09:50	wodz	kugel: adding special offset at link time is problematic with how bflt is created
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10:10:57	wodz	from the other hand this will be the easiest solution
10:16:24	kugel	wodz: you only need to apply the NOCACHE_BASE offset to the code referencing the data, the data itself doesnt need to be relocated differently
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10:20:12	wodz	which boils down to bflt loader aware of nc* variants to fix relocations
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10:25:11	kugel	wodz: not if the linker fixed the code already
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10:39:05	rarog	pamaury: Good morning. I've read in the forum about bootloader with boot menu. If you want someone to test it, I'd be willing to do it.
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10:41:21	rarog	>.>
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14:36:58	pamaury	RAThomas: ping
14:37:17	RAThomas	pamaury: morning
14:37:31	pamaury	I made an interesting discovery
14:37:33	untrack	protocol mismatch :)
14:37:47	pamaury	I tried the rk29xx tools on the sa32xx image
14:37:53	RAThomas	untrack: I ran out of "pong"
14:38:10	pamaury	indeed, the offset matches and the file contains two subfiles
14:38:22	RAThomas	good, that jibes
14:38:23	pamaury	but then the AFPtool and cramfs tool don't seem to be happy with it
14:38:54	pamaury	BUT my rknanotools works the update.img extract from the file
14:38:58	pamaury	*on
14:39:24	pamaury	so the sa32xx.img actually contains two files: one rknano image and something else
14:39:50	pamaury	I'll try cramfs on the other one like the guys did with rk29xx but I'm not too optimistic
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14:41:35	RAThomas	AFPtool seems to be for Android (sig "RKAF" == Android Firmware)
14:41:55	pamaury	yeah
14:41:57	RAThomas	and yeah, I had no luck with cramfsck
14:42:09	pamaury	it's still a mystery to me what the other file is
14:42:21	RAThomas	I understood the two blocks to be "ROM" and "bootloader"
14:42:23	pamaury	but I will try to commit my rknano tools
14:43:45	pamaury	I haven't really figured out the entire format unfortunately. I know it's made of blob, some are definitely code but I'm not sure if there are encrypted or not, they don't seem to be valid code :(
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14:44:08	pamaury	I've made some progress in reverse engineering the rknano toolsfound on the internet but it's a very hard work
14:44:33	RAThomas	agreed. While I'm not very familiar with ARM code, I didn't see anything coherent in the disassembly
14:45:07	pamaury	what is disappointing is that one of the binay blob contains unencrypted strings which makes it unlikely that it is encrypted :-/
14:45:35	RAThomas	yep. Filenames and such. Enticing, but not helpful so far
14:47:37	pamaury	wait a minute, I'll commit my work so you can have a look, I should already have done that anyway
14:47:43	RAThomas	sure
14:48:43	Torne	the blob looks unencrypted but doesn't seem to contain code?
14:48:48	Torne	can i see this somewhere? :)
14:49:35	RAThomas	Torne: binary Firmware.img from here:
14:49:37	RAThomas	http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?slg=en&scy=us&mid=Link_Software&ctn=SA3MXX04BW/37
14:49:44	RAThomas	topic is rknano-b
14:49:50	CIA-4	Commit 1a4fa16 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: unwarminder: fix data_abort_handler (wrong address to UIE)
14:49:50	CIA-4	Commit 71f3255 in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: imx233: define HAVE_TEST_AND_CLEAN_CACHE
14:49:50	CIA-4	Commit c4911de in rockbox by 03Amaury Pouly: Initial commit from rknano utils. This is very preliminary work.
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14:50:18	Torne	RAThomas: which zip? (lazy)
14:50:30	RAThomas	bottom one with "fuz" in the filename
14:50:56	pamaury	Torne: you will need to run two tools to actually extract what is code
14:50:58	RAThomas	probably means Firmware Update Zipped
14:51:15	Torne	pamaury: is it just embedded, though?
14:51:41	pamaury	Torne: this file is using a format partly desribed in the link provided by RAThomas
14:51:51	CIA-4	c4911de build result: All green
14:51:54	Torne	right, but see wher ei said i'm lazy. :) is there an already extracted one?
14:52:35	pamaury	Torne: there are several executable blob. Wait a minute, I'll extract the one the sa32xx, perhaps these one are better. I'll upload it in a minute
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14:56:13	pamaury	Torne: http://depositfiles.com/files/u0zf2yolg
14:56:20	RAThomas	rockchip seems to be pretty consistent in tagging different parts of their images. In the one we're talking about, the first signature is "RKFW" followed by an offset & length values pointing to a block with the sig "BOOTf"...
14:56:45	RAThomas	following that BOOT chunk is a block with the sig "RKnanoFW"
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14:58:07	pamaury	RAThomas: you can run the tool I committed on the update.img file procuded by the rk29xx tools. That's the file with the RKnanoFW
14:58:26	pamaury	for some reason they decided to put the signature at the end...
14:58:39	RAThomas	pamaury: cool. I've already got them split, but its good to have a purpose-built tool
14:58:41	pamaury	Torne: you want to look at stage3.bin
14:58:58	Torne	you think that's the main binary?
14:58:58	RAThomas	Hmm, maybe I don't have it split right ;)
14:59:16	pamaury	Torne: yes
14:59:28	pamaury	but I think this might only be a bootloader
14:59:37	Torne	wow, that download site is a huge pain in the arse :)
14:59:47	Torne	downloading now, after some kind of voodoo ritual ;p
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15:00:39	pamaury	actually, I've seen rknano file where the same file is repeated twice or more. Because the total extracted size doesn't sum to 26MB here
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15:01:51	Torne	yeah, that looks like some fun gibberish indeed :)
15:02:07	*	Torne fires up his arm toolchain
15:02:22	pamaury	I can try the descramble routine of the rk27xx but last I tried, the output wasn't any better :)
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15:04:37	Torne	There's recognisable code in there
15:04:40	Torne	What CPU is this for?
15:04:44	Torne	specifically, i mean
15:05:17	RAThomas	rknano-b
15:05:24	Torne	what ARM version?
15:05:34	RAThomas	no one know ;)
15:05:36	pamaury	we don't know for sure
15:05:41	Torne	this code looks like Thumb2
15:05:49	pamaury	hmm, interesting
15:05:53	Torne	if you disassemble it with -M force-thumb and then search for push and pop instructions
15:05:57	Torne	you will find neat function preamble/postambles
15:06:01	Torne	lined up in a row
15:06:06	Torne	which looks like a valid disassembly
15:06:11	Torne	it doesnt' start from 0, but hey
15:06:21	Torne	but there are Thumb2 opcodes being used here
15:06:30	pamaury	indeed
15:06:43	Torne	e.g. ldr.w
15:06:56	pamaury	so it might actually be using another format ^^
15:07:03	Torne	Anyway, yeah
15:07:09	Torne	This looks like a binary with some kind of header
15:07:17	Torne	it's just proabbly mostly/all Thumb code
15:07:23	Torne	and thus looks like garbage as arm disassemblty
15:07:32	RAThomas	Yep, I'm a newb at ARM, but I didn't see anything coherent in my disassembly
15:07:43	Torne	you won't if you disassemble it as ARM, no ;p
15:07:47	pamaury	I had tried thumb2 but this the header looked garbage I ignored it
15:07:49	Torne	youc an tell if somethign is an ARM binary just by looking
15:08:05	Torne	ARM binaries are full of strings of words that start with E
15:08:14	Torne	Thumb is not so visually identifiable due to being denser
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15:08:44	Torne	but "f7ffff" is a good marker for thumb
15:09:00	Torne	(as that's 3/4 of a thumb branch instruction)
15:09:01	pamaury	I have a theory for the header: it's a sb like format, saying "load this here, jump here, write this there"
15:09:13	Torne	Seems plausible
15:09:30	Torne	alternatively: relocations
15:09:51	Torne	maybe not.
15:09:56	pamaury	that would be overkill for a bootloader no? I haven't seen any format with relocations so far
15:10:12	*	pamaury will investigate it
15:10:23	Torne	anyway, entrypoint appears to be 0xf14
15:10:26	Torne	or at least the first code
15:10:36	Torne	the stuff before that is pretty regular and could well be a load list
15:10:40	Torne	but it's a very very long one, if so
15:10:50	Torne	possibly a lot of it is garbage/padding :p
15:11:19	Torne	anyway. my work here is done :)
15:11:21	Torne	good luck with that.
15:11:27	RAThomas	heh, thanks
15:11:45	pamaury	thanks
15:11:49	Torne	that was the part i'm good at :p
15:11:59	RAThomas	and just as it's getting interesting... I've gotta go get some paying work done :)
15:12:01	Torne	actually working out what all the disassembly means is less fun :p
15:12:16	RAThomas	hey, got me headed in the right direction.
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15:12:29	Torne	anyway, it being thumb2 implies the cpu is ARMv7 which is interesting :p
15:12:41	Torne	Hve you found any ARM code at all?
15:12:48	Torne	It would be interesting if the chip was a v7-M
15:12:59	pamaury	I haven't tried to hard to be honest
15:13:11	pamaury	I have another file with 4 stages instead of one, perhaps it has both
15:13:13	Torne	If there's no ARM code at all anywhere then it's possible it's a v7-M
15:13:19	Torne	rather than v8-A
15:13:20	Torne	er
15:13:21	Torne	v7-A
15:13:31	pamaury	On the downside, I don't think my ida pro version can handle thumb2
15:13:34	Torne	i.e. the uC variant that can only decode thumb2
15:14:18	pamaury	I wouldn't be surprized that it only decodes thumb2 if it has a dsp like the rk27xx
15:14:36	Torne	i assume this device is just an mp3 player, not something smarter
15:14:49	Torne	if so then it's very likely a cortex-m3 or m4
15:15:11	Torne	running the -M subset of v7, doing just thumb2 (and also no cpu modes and so on)
15:15:39	Torne	it wouldn't necessarily need a DSP copro to be able to run codecs
15:15:49	Torne	v7-M still has a lot of the ARM DSP instructions iirc
15:15:53	Torne	just in thumb2 encodings
15:16:55	Torne	but if it does have a dsp then using a cortex-m instead of a real arm core also makes a lot of sense :)
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16:28:41	pamaury	Torne: I have found some pattern, see https://gist.github.com/2889091
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16:28:48	pamaury	what do you think about it ?
16:29:30	RFroehning	can someone point me to an entry for settings at startup? i dont know where to check the variable: sleeptimer_on_startup prperly....
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16:36:36	pamaury	RAThomas: I've found some pattern in the file, here is the output: https://gist.github.com/2889091
16:36:41	pamaury	any comment/thoughts ?
16:38:40	RAThomas	looking...
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16:44:44	Torne	that looks like a plausible start, but the interpretation seems a bit off
16:45:39	Torne	all those overlapping bits seem unlikely
16:45:44	Torne	but the offset/etc looks nice
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16:53:15	pamaury	what is strange is that if one keep the "begin" and "size" field on the "Range 1", these seem consistent
16:53:25	pamaury	but the "end" field of the range is...strange
16:54:09	pamaury	plus there are "holes", like offset at 0xf14 then at 0x8b7c and the difference is exactly 0x6704 + 0x1564...
16:55:25	pamaury	and why is there a kind of "base address" ?
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16:56:34	Torne	how big is each entry by your interpretation, btw?
16:56:37	Torne	i.e. what are the field sizes
16:56:56	Torne	(i don't hve the binary handy any more, sorry, i'm dumb) :)_
16:57:21	pamaury	all fields are 32-bit, each entry is 8 words
16:57:30	pamaury	that's my interpretation of course
16:58:40	pamaury	also a remark: in the code, the first "chunk" see to end at 0x7530 and not 0xf14+0x6704 and the gap is not filled with zeroes
16:58:42	Torne	it doesn't happen to look similar to Elf32_Phdr? :)
16:58:52	Torne	http://www.ouah.org/RevEng/x430.htm
16:59:10	pamaury	in a way yes
16:59:47	Torne	107 would be a crazy number of program headers, though
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16:59:51	Torne	binaries typically have, like, four
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17:00:31	pamaury	and the p_type member of Phdr would not match
17:01:06	pamaury	except if the data is not word aligned
17:01:43	Torne	i didn't mean it was actually that, just that that's a reasonable set of fields to have
17:01:47	Torne	possibly in a different order
17:02:38	pamaury	sure
17:04:27	pamaury	it really seems that are two sets of address: 0x1xxxxxx and 0x2xxxxxxx
17:04:57	Torne	hm, i don't have the v7-m refernece manual handy at work
17:05:02	Torne	to remind myself what its memory mapping arrangements are
17:06:23	Torne	the MPU in the M4 can alias memory regions as well as apply protection
17:06:48	Torne	the details are in the v7-m ARM, unfortunately, which isn't free; the TRM for M4 only mentions the registers' existence
17:06:53	pamaury	the 0x20000000-0x3fffffff range of the v7-M is the SRAM I think
17:07:17	Torne	yes
17:07:35	pamaury	the range below would be ROM
17:09:36	Torne	the first meg at 0x20000000 is the arcane and bizarre bit band region, also :)
17:09:59	pamaury	what is this ?
17:10:13	Torne	it's very unlikely to be relevant
17:10:19	Torne	but it is super weird and kinda cool.
17:10:36	Torne	the 1MB at 0x20000000 is aliased to the 32MB at 0x22000000 - except the large alias accesses single bits
17:10:46	Torne	i.e. you can ldr and str at the 32MB region and it accesses single bits at the 1MB region
17:10:59	Torne	such that you can toggle bits in SRAM individually for free
17:11:31	Torne	likewise at 0x40000000 and 0x42000000, fo rperipherals
17:11:31	pamaury	oh, that's super bizarre :)
17:12:25	Torne	but also awesome
17:12:34	Torne	though, more useful in the peripheral regino than in the SRAM region
17:13:56	Torne	it's unlikely to be relevant to this reverse engineering. since this chip really does seem to be a Cortex-M, though, knowing this might come in handy later on in the process :p
17:14:11	pamaury	the imx has four registers for each actual register: the register itself and the set/clr/toggle ones. So you can set and clr bits for free too
17:14:24	Torne	but not read them
17:14:43	pamaury	no, but the v7-M have special instruction to extract bitfield iirc
17:15:20	Torne	it's just weird that the bus controller handles read-modify-write for you :)
17:16:09	pamaury	I wonder if this binary blob doesn't have relocation
17:16:26	pamaury	because between actual code, there seem to be...something, which is not code
17:16:37	pamaury	it might be data of course
17:16:53	Torne	hm?
17:17:02	Torne	between where?
17:17:09	Torne	you mean between the big sections identified by the header?
17:17:39	pamaury	take for example the first one: it starts at 0xf14. It seems that at 0x7530 something else begin (after a bx lr)
17:18:03	pamaury	and then there is something until a new place identified in the header. It doesn't start with a push though but looks like valid code
17:18:12	Torne	yah. well, it doesn't have to start with a push
17:18:21	Torne	functions don't have to :)
17:18:43	pamaury	sure
17:19:24	pamaury	I would need a tool to trace the reference in the code, it might be data pool
17:20:17	Torne	from the small look i had, there appeared to just be constants between functions
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17:20:35	Torne	i.e. typical dumb compiler literal pool dumping strateguy
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17:21:23	pamaury	one question then: why is the range 0xf14-next header address kind of split into two subparts ?
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17:21:42	Torne	dunno.
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17:22:15	Torne	in my experience people's proprietary toolchains sure do like to produce overly complicated binaries :)
17:22:32	Torne	less aggressive about just collapsing sections together than our linker script :p
17:22:49	pamaury	yeah, I've seen this with the imx233
17:22:58	pamaury	though 107 sections seems a lot
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17:23:34	Torne	possibly they are object files
17:23:44	Torne	or sections-within-object-files
17:23:54	pamaury	object files is likely
17:23:57	Torne	i.e. .text and .data from different .o's being listed separately
17:24:18	Torne	...there wouldn't happen to be a string table somewhere in the binary with a bunch of names :)
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17:24:26	Torne	that might be being pointed to in some form by the header? :)
17:24:37	Torne	Probably not, but if so that would be super helpful :p
17:24:46	Torne	people accidentally leaving "documentation" in their bianries is great.
17:25:48	pamaury	there are a few strings
17:25:57	pamaury	but not too many
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17:26:31	pamaury	here is what my super tool find: https://gist.github.com/2889429
17:27:37	Torne	right.
17:27:43	Torne	probably not, but that would've been nice ;)
17:27:59	pamaury	and there are not grouped
17:28:08	pamaury	*they
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17:38:33	pamaury	it looks like a .data section
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17:47:11	pamaury	I think my interpretation is wrong
17:47:36	pamaury	each entry might be 4 word long
17:48:17	pamaury	or each contains a code,data pair
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17:52:29	Torne	Each being code and data makes sense
17:52:37	Torne	explains the different address ranges
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17:53:00	Torne	and then presumably from, say, 53 object files
17:53:23	pamaury	I'll give you the new mapping in a minute, much more consistent
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17:59:04	pamaury	Torne: https://gist.github.com/2889653
17:59:28	pamaury	the last one look weird
17:59:35	pamaury	perhaps some call/jump protocol
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18:02:54	Torne	do the ranges actually line up?
18:02:56	Torne	some of them appear to overlap
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18:03:11	pamaury	I haven't checked
18:03:21	pamaury	they do not appaear to be in order
18:03:23	Torne	yah.
18:03:31	Torne	some of them definitely look like they verlap in this interpretation
18:04:06	pamaury	This is not necessarily bad, I've seen imx files which load/call/load/call and they overlap each other
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18:04:38	pamaury	oops, I made a mistake, sorry, the 0x40000 shouldn't exist
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18:09:55	pamaury	Torne: I have fixed it: https://gist.github.com/2889653
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19:02:26	pamaury	RAThomas: Torne: that's interesting. Only the stage3 of the RknanoFW files seem to have this format. The stage0-2 use a different one or are just raw code
19:03:19	pamaury	I think the first "Something" is the number of sections
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19:44:08	alchemyxthunder	i know the release isn't public, nor is it officially supported, but is there a way to determine the version or revision number of rockbox in the ipodclassic file? my ipod is currently reporting: 26e5e60-120502 under rockbox info. thank you.
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19:45:38	gevaerts	alchemyxthunder: 26e5e60 is the revision, 120502 is the build date
19:46:24	alchemyxthunder	gevaerts: referring to 2012-may-02?
19:46:28	gevaerts	yes
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19:47:19	alchemyxthunder	and with that said, is there a way to determine if the file located at http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipodclassic.zip is more current?
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19:47:56	alchemyxthunder	without reinstalling rockbox onto the device, of course.
19:48:14	n1s	alchemyxthunder: it definitely should be, look inside the rockbox-info.txt file in the zip
19:48:23	gevaerts	It is. That's built on every commit
19:49:26	alchemyxthunder	n1s: i don't know how i missed that line. -_-
19:50:12	alchemyxthunder	one more dumb question, is there a changelog for it?
19:50:52	n1s	there's git log and a MajorChanges page in the wiki
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19:51:56	hillshum	alchemyxthunder: The current build is usually updated multiple times a day
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19:52:45	alchemyxthunder	good information to know! thank you guys!
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20:02:43	AlexP	hillshum: dev build now
20:03:10	*	hillshum hillshum has been away for too long
20:03:26	AlexP	To try to not confuse people as much :)
20:03:52	*	hillshum actually does recall reading something on the mailing list about this
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20:26:56	GodEater	is anyone ever going to write a summary from this years DevCon?
20:28:02	GodEater	beyond "pizza was eaten, beer was drunk, stuff was done, other stuff was discussed"
20:28:07	GodEater	which I can sort of infer
20:34:24	bertrik	I thought gevaerts kept notes
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21:24:29	bertrik	GodEater, got any particular devcon subject you want to know about? I can try to remember the discussion :)
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21:26:19	bertrik	We discussed all "ideas for discussion" and most of them ended in "eh, bluebrother, please go ahead and implement" :)
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21:46:36	megal0maniac	Could someone who is able to, please check my wiki profile? I'm still getting "Access denied" pages.
21:46:41	megal0maniac	UN is MichaelRodger
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21:49:35	RAThomas	megal0maniac: me too.
21:50:51	megal0maniac	Dammit. Also, I'm getting "RockboxUtility.exe has stopped working" while patching Fuze+ firmware with bootloader. Latest firmware version, latest RB Util
21:52:19	megal0maniac	Is there a debug mode or log to see what is causing it? I suspect sbloader for obvious reasons, but not sure how to confirm
21:52:35	megal0maniac	mkimxboot, not sbloader
21:57:15	funman	megal0maniac: the debug mode is build it from source and run it in gdb
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22:02:42	megal0maniac	Ah... Windows :P
22:02:58	megal0maniac	Thanks though, still good to know
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22:09:01	megal0maniac	Oh wow... Please ignore the Rockbox Util issue. It works fine. I'm the bug. The wiki issue, however... (and I can't post to WikiIssues because I can't edit)
22:10:34	funman	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WikiUsersGroup you are alreayd in the group
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22:13:03	megal0maniac	funman: I know, but I still get Access Denied
22:13:13	megal0maniac	Credentials are correct
22:13:28	funman	logout and log in again?
22:14:18	megal0maniac	Tried that, cleared cache as well. Was added to the group this past Saturday, have yet been able to get on though.
22:14:42	megal0maniac	Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web.
22:14:50	funman	must ask the wiki admins then but i don't see Zagor online
22:15:19	megal0maniac	I mailed Bjorn on Saturday, but haven't heard from him yet.
22:18:15	megal0maniac	I have a feeling that the email address is no longer in use, though.
22:18:52	gevaerts	megal0maniac: which one?
22:18:59	megal0maniac	@haxx
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22:19:10	gevaerts	That's very much his current email address
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22:20:06	megal0maniac	Figured it might not be, due to it being very visible to spam robots on the wiki. Will try again.
22:20:36	Torne	real email addresses last forever :)
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22:51:44	megal0maniac	Anyone know off-hand why recording is not implemented on the Fuze+?
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22:55:47	saratoga	its a new port and hasn't been done yet
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23:06:30	saratoga	whats the git command to see a diff of my current tree verses the rockbox git server? git diff is just the stuff since my last commit right?
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23:09:02	Torne	git diff origin/master will compare the work tree to whatever you last downloaded from the server
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