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#rockbox log for 2012-07-07

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05:30:39int31hHi there,
05:32:41preglowhello?
05:34:29preglowdpmi? terribly old school
05:35:47int31hje
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05:40:14int31hi was playing with a sansa clip+ and i want to known wich function is the first to kick in after the boot
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07:35:10yuriksWhat's the point of the glyph cache stuff in the font code?
07:43:35yurikshmmm, something to do with not needing to load the whole font from disk if it's too large for RAM?
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09:25:55[Saint]yuriks: yes, its "amount of glyphs to to keep in memory at any one given time" afaik
09:27:16[Saint]default is 250 I believe (ie. what is used if its not set), something around there.
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11:38:03*bertrik tries to think of a good translation for release candidate
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11:47:14newClipUserI would like to improve the running time of my Clips plus by replacing the battery for a bigger one
11:47:24newClipUseranyone can give me some advice here?
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11:50:56bertriktranslation can be tricky sometimes, like the word "installation", it refers both to the process and the set of files on the player
11:52:21bertrikalso we seem to mix terms like firmware upgrade and update, often even within the same paragraph
11:57:25bertrikWhat is a voice string?
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12:17:20[Saint]speaking of voice strings, well...kinda. Is this a bug or not: If you're using <non-English-lang> and it has an untranslated string, if you have <non-English-lang>.voice and english.voice present, are the non-translated strings supposed to be voiced?
12:19:17[Saint]If they (non-translated strings with the english substitution) are supposed to be voiced (in english) also, which I would consider "right" behaviour, then its not working.
12:33:27CIA-5Commit f09bf02 in rockbox by 03Bertrik Sikken: Dutch (nl) translation update of RockboxUtility
12:36:03CIA-5f09bf02 build result: All green
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12:39:01rasherbertrik: erk, that's bad programming, using the same string for two different meanings
12:40:51[Saint]the Eskimo have over 200 strings in their voice file for snow...
12:43:08AlexP[Saint]: No they don't :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow
12:43:57Bagderhaha
12:44:05[Saint]Bah! Who brings facts into an argument! :P
12:44:27AlexPs/facts/wikipedia/ :)
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12:53:02n1s[Saint]: pretty sure we can't handle more than one voice file at a time so i'm pressy sure clips for string smissing in translations will not be voiced
12:53:57[Saint]shouldn't the english string be in its place, then?
12:56:07[Saint]voicing something in a wrong, but largely universal language, is better than voicing nothing at all in cases where the translated string is missing, surely?
12:58:45n1ssure, that would be better
12:59:00[Saint]someone with good enough scripting magic could probably come up with something pretty simple that replaced missing voice strings with the english source string recursively, otherwise, it wouldn't take /too/ long for me to sit down and copy/paste it.
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13:00:15n1sprobllem with that approach is that TTS's aren't great when set to one language and given text in another :)
13:00:45[Saint]Heh, yeah...I was just thinking that.
13:01:13[Saint]Well, I guess this needs more discussion for the "right" fix.
13:02:10[Saint]I just wasn't sure if what I was seeing was a bug or not. I assumed if I had voice files for english and <non-engloish> langs, that the strings that weren't tanslated in <non-english> would be voiced in English.
13:02:34[Saint]...now I know its intentional, but not necessarily desired, behaviour :)
13:03:11n1si'm fairly sure it's just a missing feature/fallback that noone implemented because it's not trivial and a corner case
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14:27:12bertrikI'm seeing a post on anythingbutipod suggesting that the runtime of the zip has suffered since the early days of the port
14:27:37bertriksuggesting power consumption has gone up to about 42 mA (from 30 mA earlier)
14:28:42bertrikthere used to be a power regression caused by the radio not being fully powered down, I thought we fixed that
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18:30:38yuriks[Saint]: any particular reason why each font seems to have it's own cache instead of there being just a single global cache?
18:30:58FOADWell why not.
18:31:22yuriksseems like a global cache would waste less space
18:31:29FOADYour incessant complaints about trivialities have worried us for some time now, yuriks.
18:31:43yuriksheh :D
18:32:33yuriksglyph fallback would be much easier if I could just tell it to pull glyphs from the cache, so maybe I would unify the caches before implementing that
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18:35:04gevaertsFOAD: "us"?
18:35:51FOADJust funnin'. At least yuriks got it. :P
18:36:08yuriks:)
18:41:41gevaertsyuriks: as far as I understand the general consensus is that a single cache would indeed be better
18:45:48yurikscool. I'll try to tackle that then
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21:57:17Traveller_Are rock files native binary files or are they interpreted?
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22:03:16bertrikthey are native
22:03:57Traveller_Ok. Thank you
22:04:21bertrikWe can run lua files now too I think, they are interpreted AFAIK
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