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#rockbox log for 2012-08-03

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12:23:34bertrikfreqmod, feel like doing a bit more opus hacking today/
12:33:27bertrikfreqmod, it seems we can't use the vorbis replaygain tags after all, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-terriberry-oggopus-01#section-5.2 says
12:33:36bertrik"To avoid confusion with multiple normalization schemes, an Opus comment header SHOULD NOT contain any of the REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK, REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN, or REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_PEAK tags."
12:43:36bertrikso, instead of all magically just working, we may have to add special cases to distinguish vorbis comments from opus comments
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12:54:49lebelliumbertrik: I'm charging the YH-820 after 1 year unused. I hope it still holds a charge. Then I just need someone to compile a RB build with your patch :)
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12:55:40bertrikfinally! :)
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12:56:11bertrikI'll dust it off with a rebase and put a build on my google drive
12:56:25lebelliumthanks :)
12:57:07lebelliumit seems mine already displays remaining battery in percentage (maybe it's not accurate). What is your patch supposed to do exactly?
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12:58:04bertrikThe current code always makes it appear that the battery voltage is 4.1V, which is probably about 90% full in percentage
12:58:18bertrikMy patch makes it read the actual voltage
12:58:42bertrikYou may still have to calibrate the voltage curve
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12:59:53lebelliumbattery: 4,115V, : battery 89ù 0h -1m
12:59:57lebellium89%
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13:07:51bertriklebellium, https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByItZAj1MynOdjZhU0d6SnJRMW8 has the patch
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13:09:17lebelliumthank you. I try that when the battery is fully charged and let you know
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13:15:04funmanbertrik: so perhaps only the 16bits 'gain' tag is used for opus ?
13:15:37funmanah no I see a R128_TRACK_GAIN
13:16:31funmanThere is no Opus comment tag corresponding to REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN. That information should instead be stored in the ID header's 'output gain' field.
13:17:07funmanso the 'album gain' is already applied by the decoder IIUC
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13:48:46lebelliumbertrik: battery fully charged (hw controlled) with old RB build: 4,145V 93% , with your patch: 4,650V, 100%
13:49:34bertrikhm, that's too high, so possibly there's a scaling factor off somewhere, or we're reading the wrong adc channel
13:50:21bertriknot sure where it gets the 4.145V reading in the old RB build, since the code clearly shows that it's always returning 4.1V exactly
13:50:44lebelliumI read that in debug menu>view battery
13:50:46bertrikis this with the charger still attached? does it drop when you disconnect the charger?
13:52:00lebelliumthe charger is no longer attached and that drops
13:52:35bertrikI think we do have some kind of smoothing filter on the battery voltage that the user sees
13:53:10lebelliumah
13:53:17bertrikA freshly charged lithium battery should show a voltage in the range 4.15-4.20V
13:53:21lebelliumI see a battery capacity setting
13:53:35lebelliumdefault setting is 1550 mAh
13:54:26bertrikI think the capacity setting only affects the remaining runtime calculation
13:54:46lebelliumit can't calculate remaining runtime either :D
13:55:02lebelliumit says 0h -1m remaining
13:55:47lebelliumbut maybe it's due to my battery. It's a July 2005 player. The battery is 7 year old now, pretty dead I think
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14:00:04bertriklebellium, 4.650V is the max value that the ADC can read, so the ADC reading is probably saturated at a value of 1023. I think we're measuring the wrong ADC channel then.
14:00:16bertrik(assuming that it is at all possible to read the battery voltage)
14:00:24lebelliumok
14:00:44lebelliumactually it doesn't drop
14:01:14lebelliumit displays 4.650-4.694V (5mW) since a few minutes
14:01:43lebelliumso you're probably right
14:11:40bertrikhm, there could be a bug in the adc-pp5020 driver when used with the samsungs
14:12:52bertrikNUM_ADC_CHANNELS is defined as 2 for the samsung YH players, so only enough memory for 2 channels is reserved, but the driver tries to use up to 4 channels
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14:19:35bertriklebellium, ready to try another rockbox image?
14:19:43lebelliumyep ready
14:19:48lebelliumshould I charge the battery again?
14:20:50bertrikno, I don't think so, the file is at the same link as the previous one
14:21:26bertrik(now trying ADC channel 0 instead of 1)
14:22:25bertrikIf this doesn't work, it will take quite a bit more effort to get battery readings to work (might need the actual target itself and/or study the original firmware)
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14:27:33lebelliumbertrik: can't load the build, it directly tells me Battery empty ahaha
14:27:47bertrikmeh
14:27:57lebelliumI try with the charger connected
14:28:19bertrikI think this is the end of the experiment so far and that connecting the charger won't make much difference
14:28:37bertrikbut feel free to try, perhaps channel 0 measures raw input voltage
14:28:40lebelliumindeed, even with the charger rockbox tells me battery empty and shutdown
14:29:25bertrikfunman, freqmod, the source files in silk/fixed are only for encoding, I'm thinking of omitting those, what do you think?
14:34:09funmangood idea, we can add them later if we write an encoder
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16:56:09amayeris there any way to contact people that post a theme?
16:56:11amayerI noticed you cant comment on themes
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17:27:16bertriksaratoga, I think you mentioned last week that you'd like to have a bigger default font for the clip zip cabbie v2 theme?
17:29:43amayeris anyone online that manages the System -> Running Time app?
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17:47:53saratogabertrik: yes I've heard it suggested before
17:48:56bertrikwhich one do you like?
17:52:00saratogasome 10 point font would be good I think
17:55:55bertriksome 10 pt fonts feel a lot smaller than 8 pt rockbox, mostly because of horizontal glyph size
17:57:53saratoga i had one i liked but i can't rememher what it was :)
17:58:00bertrikis there a kind of cabbie v2 "default" font across targets?
17:58:21bertrikI like 10-Nimbus, but it's a bit fat
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18:00:13bertrikIn the main menu, two items are cut off: Playlist catalog(ue) and Resume Playbac(k) but not that big of a deal IMO
18:01:03bertrikoh, 10 pt font will need realignment in the WPS
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18:40:49saratogabertrik: maybe it would be easier to just change the menu font?
18:41:03saratogapeople can always use a different wps if they prefer larger fonts
18:42:43bertrikI don't know much about themes, I assumed that the wps and the main menu would use the same font
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18:47:28amayerbertrik: you can set the font in a theme seperate from the main menu font
18:50:31bertrikoh
18:58:33bertrikamayer, can you create a patch for that?
18:59:11amayeryou just use the %V command.
18:59:14amayerits the 5th parameter IIRC
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18:59:28bertrikand test it, discuss it with the original creator of the cabbie v2, figure out which font saratoga likes, etc
18:59:50saratogawell i don't have a zip so i can't comment
18:59:54saratogai just played with it in the sim
18:59:57bertrikand will this also affect the status bar?
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19:00:04amayerive never used it personally. but I read it in the manual.
19:01:17saratogamost other devices use Adobe-Helvetica, so 10Adobe-Helvetica makes sense
19:01:26amayerI havent done any development for rockbox yet... so i think it would be a while before I could patch anything.
19:01:27amayerThe girlfriend has been taking up alot of time recently so I havent has as much coding time(websites and open source projects) as i would like
19:02:22saratogamost of the cabbie themes don't specify a font in the WPS
19:02:27saratogabut do it in the theme file
19:02:46bertrik10-Adobe-Helvetica makes all english main menu items fit horizontally, but the 'y' is really ugly
19:02:47saratogathis won't work for us, since the theme file isn't loaded on boot up, so we'll need to put it in the WPS i think
19:04:02saratogayou're right it looks odd in the sim
19:05:06saratoga10-fixed or 10-Sazanami-Mincho look nicer
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19:06:39bertrikdo we have to worry about the coverage for non-english chars?
19:06:48saratogai'm looking at that now
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19:08:17saratoga10-Sazanami-Mincho and fixed both have pretty good coverage, although niether does arabic or chinese
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19:11:37saratogai think either is fine
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20:13:46saratogahow do i delete gerrit tasks
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21:19:44bertrikfreqmod, I have an early attempt at implementing the pre-skip
21:20:14freqmodok
21:20:19bertrikI don't think we should worry too much about pre-skip during seeking, we only seek with a 1-second resolution anyway
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21:20:37freqmodyes, i have a very rough seeker
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21:20:56freqmodand personally I am happy as long as it seeks roughly in the right spot
21:21:03freqmodas i am using it for audiobooks/plays
21:21:16freqmodi have used it to and from work for a week
21:21:36freqmodand it works really well, except for the bookmark/remembering stuff which works half of the time
21:22:19freqmodi had a segfault one time (when i was seeking, and changing tracks or something like that), but otherwise it is stable
21:22:38bertrikon what target?
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21:27:51gmaxwellbertrik: oh come on, it should be all of one line of code to get it just right. :) Just offset the target by the preskip. Thats it.
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21:35:34bertrikbut preskip << granule resolution, so why even bother?
21:36:36bertrikAnd is the preskip from the OpusHead appropriate as a seeking preskip too?
21:41:40gmaxwellbertrik: No for seeking the spec directs you to use 80ms. They're different because the initial one is also used for trimming cut files (and when not trimming into a new stream not so much is required)
21:42:13gmaxwellbertrik: because preskip can be as much as 1.3 seconds, which is > than your seeking resolution.
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21:42:39gmaxwellAlso suggests that your displayed times will be a second off, which would be annoying in getting bug reports from your users.
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21:50:45bertrikso for seeking, we should seek to granule (target + file_preskip - seek_preskip) and then ignore the first seek_preskip samples after seeking?
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21:52:31gmaxwellYes sir. (with handling zero, of course)
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22:17:06TheDarkPiratehey people, do you know if there is a way to have dual boot in an iPod Classic 120G? I'm trying to use emCORE...
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22:18:16TheSevenTheDarkPirate: not possible at the moment
22:18:25TheDarkPiratefunk
22:18:28TheDarkPiratewell, thanks
22:18:50TheDarkPirateand do you know if they're working on it?
22:19:42TheDarkPiratesorry, never mind, I'll ask them :)
22:19:46TheDarkPiratethanks anyway ;)
22:21:50benedikt93TheDarkPirate, you were already talking to the right person :) AFAIK, there were some driver issues plus the different memory layout emCore uses
22:22:05TheDarkPiratemmm, ok
22:22:17TheSeventhe memory layout part has been resolved in the meantime
22:22:23TheDarkPirateexcuse me, english is not my native language, what does it mean "AFAIK"?
22:22:28TheSevenit's just some bug that makes the apple firmware lock up during boot when booted through emcore
22:22:42TheSevenAFAIK is an acronym for "as far as i know"
22:22:44TheDarkPiratedang :S
22:22:45benedikt93as far as I know (it isn't mine either;))
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22:23:35TheDarkPirateha ha ha ha ha
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23:24:55eliasp_hi
23:25:16eliasp_Rockbox supports only VFAT as filesystem, is that correct?
23:27:05gevaertsyes
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23:28:31eliasp_hmm, ok… are there any best practices on how to copy files from sane filesystems to VFAT? e.g. replacing : in filenames etc… I couldn't find something really usable… I hoped to be able to do this using rsync, but the rsync patch to do this was dismissed because it was just some kind of dirty hack
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23:31:07gevaertsI'd use a rename tool that knows about this
23:31:16eliasp_files containing a : in their path make up ~8% of my collection… so it's not just some files which I could rename manually
23:31:30eliasp_gevaerts: hmm, actually not such a bad idea… maybe krename is able to do this
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23:32:42*eliasp_ dreams of a FUSE FS which provides a read-only view on a filesystem with VFAT compatible names… so one could simply work with the files using regular tools
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23:34:01eliasp_the day when VFAT finally died a slow an painful death in every single consumer device out there will be a day to have a party :)
23:34:22eliasp_but I fear this might take another 25 years or so, as VFAT has risen as zombie named exFAT :-(
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23:37:58eliasp_meh, krename only copies filenames, but can't deal with the whole filepath, so I wouldn't be able to keep the directory structure…
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23:38:54eliasp_ah, it works using krename… there's [$dirname.] :)
23:42:11eliasp_fantastic… so what I'm doing now:
23:42:11eliasp_- mount my music collection using FUSE mp3fs to convert all FLAC files on the fly to 320kbit/s MP3s to save some storage space… (I know, Rockbox supports FLAC, but my player has only 16GiB internal storage)
23:42:11eliasp_- use krename to copy files to the player using "[$dirname.]/[$dirname]/" as filename prefix and a ": → _" find & replace definition
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