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| 00:21:12 | kd4wov | i have a question about q sansa E280 |
| 00:21:47 | kd4wov | seems the battery does mach the acctual level |
| 00:22:01 | kd4wov | is there a way to calibrate battery meter? |
| 00:22:35 | kd4wov | if i boot into the sansa os it seems fine |
| 00:22:51 | kd4wov | but in rock box it is way off |
| 00:23:35 | kd4wov | i am ruinning the newest version of boot loader and build |
| 00:23:58 | kd4wov | i reinstalled 3 times just to make sure i did not mess it up |
| 00:24:10 | kd4wov | anhy suggestions? |
| 00:24:17 | kd4wov | oops any |
| 00:24:57 | wodz | if the battery *does* match the actual level what is the problem? I don't get it |
| 00:25:28 | kd4wov | when in rockbox it only shows 50% |
| 00:25:50 | kd4wov | while the sansa os shows 100 and a comolete charge |
| 00:25:57 | kd4wov | oops complete |
| 00:27:13 | kd4wov | should i go back to the version that i was using before? i think it was 2 years old |
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| 00:27:45 | kd4wov | i dont remember the build number and bootloader but i can find it on my other computer |
| 00:28:07 | kd4wov | if i need it. |
| 00:28:13 | wodz | The best thing would be to track down which commit broke battery readings for you (aka bisect) |
| 00:29:56 | kd4wov | ok so reload an archive going back one untill it works? what about the bootloader |
| 00:30:17 | kd4wov | should i leave it at the newst? |
| 00:30:35 | wodz | you can leave it |
| 00:30:49 | kd4wov | ok i will give it shot. |
| 00:31:10 | kd4wov | i will let you know what i find. |
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| 00:38:40 | kd4wov | reloading now. ver 3.11. |
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| 01:06:06 | kd4wov | ok here is my quick trial of stable, and archive. |
| 01:07:43 | kd4wov | 3.11.2 has a battery reporting issue. build 16335da-120826 seems to work. |
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| 01:11:52 | kd4wov | hope that helps |
| 01:12:20 | kd4wov | now to reload my 3 other e200v2 machines |
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| 09:34:55 | mortalis | wodz: yes, but not now |
| 09:37:48 | wodz | no hurry |
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| 11:54:11 | JdGordon | so.... silence in the mailing list, can we fork and forget HWCODEC? |
| 11:54:24 | JdGordon | and by joyous coincidence.... charcell? |
| 11:59:52 | wodz | I think we should schedule proper voting in this case. This is serious decision. |
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| 12:00:48 | gevaerts | hm, that reminds me |
| 12:00:53 | gevaerts | We need a new RSB |
| 12:05:15 | linuxstb | Before or after that decision? ;) |
| 12:05:26 | gevaerts | Yes :) |
| 12:06:06 | gevaerts | Anyone willing to run the RSB thing? I'll be mostly offline for about two weeks starting from Saturday morning, so I can't really do it |
| 12:07:03 | linuxstb | wodz: Do you mean a "referendum" amongst committers, as opposed to a decision by the RSB? |
| 12:08:22 | pamaury | perhaps both ? a RSB decision based on a referendum ? |
| 12:09:03 | linuxstb | Or perhaps the decision is simple - is anyone against it? |
| 12:09:22 | gevaerts | I don't think the RSB should be involved here, unless things get stuck |
| 12:09:40 | wodz | the main question is who will maintain legacy branch |
| 12:10:06 | linuxstb | That's up to the users of that branch... |
| 12:10:14 | linuxstb | Hopefully there will be devs amongst those users... |
| 12:10:43 | Torne | if we're actually going to ahve a branch for it that has kinda larger implications, also |
| 12:10:57 | Torne | how does that branch get built/released/installed? |
| 12:11:44 | Torne | or does it not and we assume users do it? |
| 12:11:58 | linuxstb | Yes, perhaps after the next release, it doesn't... |
| 12:12:40 | Torne | because continuing to build/release it in the same way would be additional effort |
| 12:12:56 | * | linuxstb considers himself retired from Rockbox, so should probably stay out of this? |
| 12:12:56 | Torne | since it would have separate commits, and effectively separate version numbers |
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| 12:13:38 | Torne | so i think the decision is not "do we fork it into a branch" but more "do 'we' (meaning the majority of committers) just stop supporting it and pull the code out of master" |
| 12:14:08 | Torne | whether we, say, have a separate branch in our git created from some suitable point or not is kinda beside the point, because that costs us nothing |
| 12:14:21 | Torne | (and can be created retroactively, even) |
| 12:15:00 | Torne | unless someone wants to propose that we do actively commit infrastructure to maintaining it on a branch |
| 12:15:30 | JdGordon | the only person to have any objections for forking in the past hasnt said anything this the build break |
| 12:15:59 | wodz | I think both ways will end up in the same point. IMO we should fork into branch and then remove 'offending' code from master |
| 12:16:54 | JdGordon | gevaerts: how about just disabling the build for the time being? |
| 12:17:09 | wodz | I think changes in legacy branch will be very rare so manual building and releasing will not be much of the hassle |
| 12:17:09 | JdGordon | and im happy to run the rsb vote again, no danger i'll be appointed (5th year running :p ) |
| 12:18:49 | wodz | anyway to explicitly state the name - amiconn should express his thoughts as he is the only more or less active HWCODEC dev |
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| 12:20:15 | Torne | wodz: sure, i'm just pointing out that we kinda need to be explicit about what support the project itself is going to offer to the branch |
| 12:20:43 | Torne | if it's just "host it in our git repo" that's fine |
| 12:21:13 | wodz | true. But to be honest HWCODEC is just a few targets big. Missing autobuilds is not that big issue IMO |
| 12:21:35 | wodz | just host it is enough IMO |
| 12:22:42 | wodz | when we get test builds infrastructure (if ever :-) ) adding ability to build from branch should be easy |
| 12:31:24 | GodEater | I agree, host the code, but don't commit to autobuilds / releases |
| 12:31:51 | GodEater | (although as an inactive committer, I should probably do like linuxstb and butt out) :) |
| 12:57:09 | wodz | Can anyone with e200 confirm wrong battery voltage measurements with current HEAD? It was reported yesterday. The problem doesn't exist in 3.11.2 |
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| 13:14:43 | gevaerts | I don't see why we wouldn't autobuild if we can |
| 13:16:35 | Torne | gevaerts: we *could*, but we can't currently :) |
| 13:18:12 | Zagor | and it would only make sense if the branch is actively developed |
| 13:18:46 | gevaerts | I might have another go at convincinbg Zagor we need to autobuild the stable branch. Done properly, that might give us autobuilding branches for free :) |
| 13:19:09 | Torne | yah, if we get those abilities we could also do that for this. |
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| 16:35:13 | saratoga | i would prefer to keep autobuilding any fork of HWCODEC |
| 16:35:37 | saratoga | and to leave open the option of someone using it for new (very low memory?) targets in the future |
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| 16:47:01 | spyroboy | how stable is rockbox for the ipod classic? |
| 16:47:18 | spyroboy | I currently don't use my ipod classic much and I wanted to try out rockbox after waiting for years for it to finally get cracked. |
| 16:47:28 | spyroboy | I'm just worried that I might brick it. |
| 16:49:02 | saratoga | i don't think theres much risk of bricking it |
| 16:50:59 | spyroboy | is there a recovery guide? |
| 16:51:05 | spyroboy | to put stock firmware again? |
| 16:51:45 | spyroboy | looking at freemyipod wiki and rockbox site. not sure I can find a guide |
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| 16:52:54 | wodz | usually it is a matter of recovering with itunes |
| 16:53:29 | wodz | but I don't know the details. Ask [7] |
| 16:55:12 | [7] | yes, boot to DFU using a button combination, and then restore using itunes |
| 16:55:29 | [7] | flashing bad firmware is fully recoverable on the classics |
| 16:55:53 | spyroboy | hm ok |
| 16:55:57 | spyroboy | thanks a lot. |
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| 18:00:58 | gevaerts | saratoga: done (and the other one) |
| 18:03:12 | wodz | saratoga: I don't clearly see how lowmem targets would benefit from forking HWCODEC |
| 18:03:37 | saratoga | wodz: i mean in the future if someone wanted to run Rockbox on more constrained hardware |
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| 18:05:03 | wodz | saratoga: But it is rather unlikely it will be HWCODEC one |
| 18:05:17 | saratoga | yeah, probably still SWCODEC |
| 18:05:30 | saratoga | but just because we're forking doesn't mean SWCODEC stops working on |
| 18:05:32 | saratoga | it |
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| 18:06:22 | saratoga | i was thinking we'd have the HWCODEC targets and one or two SWCODEC targets in the build system for the branch |
| 18:07:59 | wodz | saratoga: sure but work on lowmem SWCODEC will be in HEAD as we maintain some of lowmem targets |
| 18:08:43 | saratoga | true, but our current targets need about 2.5MB to run SWCODEC and I imagine that will slowly creep up over time |
| 18:09:21 | saratoga | someone might want something lighter going forward, and its not hard to keep the code building |
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| 18:12:47 | wodz | the only potential target I am aware of has ~0.5MB of ram and will need nasty tricks anyway. I am speaking of cut down imx version pamaury expressed interest in porting to. |
| 18:14:41 | pamaury | yeah, I'm not even sure I will do it one say given how hard it will be |
| 18:15:02 | pamaury | *one day |
| 18:15:20 | pamaury | and it will probably be virtual memory tricks |
| 18:17:24 | wodz | pamaury: When I remember - there is issue with safe reading routine used by unwinder - if safe read fail the failing address will be inside safe read function and not where original exception occured. |
| 18:18:01 | pamaury | hmm, normally it should be handled as a special case of the exception handler |
| 18:19:36 | wodz | pamaury: look at g#286 in comments - 0x709EC is address inside safe read function |
| 18:19:38 | fs-bluebot | 3Gerrit review #286 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/286 : bFLT loader for plugins by Marcin Bukat (changes/86/286/10) |
| 18:22:03 | pamaury | strange, I'll have a look at it tonight |
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| 18:48:50 | mortalis | wodz: HEAD works |
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| 20:15:15 | saratoga | wodz: either way, I'd like to keep the branched code in the build system if at all possible |
| 20:15:21 | saratoga | is there some reason that would be difficult? |
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| 20:17:53 | gevaerts | saratoga: the only difficulty is that the build system only builds a single branch |
| 20:18:08 | saratoga | ah |
| 20:18:27 | saratoga | how hard would that be to fix? |
| 20:23:02 | * | gevaerts looks at Zagor |
| 20:23:25 | gevaerts | We'd need separate builds files per branch |
| 20:23:45 | gevaerts | And probably separate instances of dev.cgi |
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| 20:24:10 | gevaerts | And of course a trigger on the other branch, but I suspect that that's the easiest part |
| 20:24:34 | Zagor | perhaps the easiest way is to just run two build servers |
| 20:25:41 | gevaerts | That has the possible disadvantage of needing a separate set of clients, but that might not be too terrible |
| 20:28:36 | gevaerts | Even if we only have one or two clients, hwcodec wouldn't take long to build |
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| 20:32:27 | Zagor | exactly |
| 20:36:51 | AlexP | Zagor: Any luck with removing the extraneous builds from the release candidates? |
| 20:37:10 | AlexP | And/or getting rbutil to only offer the stable ones :) |
| 20:37:18 | Zagor | eh, no? :) |
| 20:37:25 | AlexP | saratoga: Was it you who wanted to promote a clip (zip?)? |
| 20:37:34 | AlexP | Zagor: What I was talking about last night |
| 20:37:55 | AlexP | I'd like to offer RC builds, but when I used the new build system magic to do it, it built everything |
| 20:38:10 | AlexP | So builds for all targets are there, and rbutil offers RCs for all targets |
| 20:38:25 | AlexP | bluebrother^: says rbutil gets its list from the server |
| 20:38:33 | Zagor | yes |
| 20:38:41 | AlexP | So I'd like to remove builds that shouldn't be there from that directory |
| 20:38:56 | AlexP | and get rbutil to only offer RCs for targets that are going to be released |
| 20:39:04 | AlexP | Before I send the email asking people to test them |
| 20:39:11 | AlexP | I don't want to confuse everyone |
| 20:40:18 | Zagor | right, I'll do it manually this time |
| 20:40:34 | AlexP | Thanks |
| 20:45:26 | pamaury | Torne: is the data abort offset between pc and the actual faulty instruction the same on all armv we have ? |
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| 20:52:09 | Zagor | ehum. sansa connect is not added to builds.pm... |
| 20:52:15 | Zagor | I trust it's not stable then :-) |
| 20:52:24 | gevaerts | It's not indeed :) |
| 20:53:11 | AlexP | I think there was one that people wanyted to add to stable |
| 20:53:16 | AlexP | And I think it was clip zip |
| 20:53:26 | AlexP | But everytime I mention it here, nobody says anything |
| 20:53:32 | AlexP | So I'm not sure |
| 20:53:38 | saratoga | AlexP: USB seems rather unstable on the Clip Zip, so I don't know |
| 20:53:56 | AlexP | It might not have been that one then |
| 20:54:03 | AlexP | I can't rememeber who was talking about it |
| 20:54:14 | saratoga | i think technically we did everything we needed to in order to release it |
| 20:54:16 | gevaerts | USB seems unstable on about all AMSv2 these days... |
| 20:54:26 | AlexP | But in the absence of them saying anything, nothing is getting promoted :) |
| 20:54:37 | * | gevaerts still doesn't understand how enabling USB on AMSv2 for stable was even an option... |
| 20:54:44 | saratoga | Clip+ USB hasn't crashed in ages for me, but apparently its worse on the Zip |
| 20:54:56 | saratoga | i think there is some random memory corruption triggered only on certain builds |
| 20:54:59 | AlexP | gevaerts: Lots of things seem unstable these days |
| 20:55:07 | saratoga | as people have reported things like different themes changing how USB works |
| 20:55:22 | Zagor | saratoga: ! |
| 20:56:20 | AlexP | I'm afraid I don't tend to use Rockbox much these days |
| 20:56:41 | AlexP | As I use my phone most of the time |
| 20:57:19 | gevaerts | AlexP: true, but USB on AMSv2 has *never* been stable |
| 20:57:29 | AlexP | And I haven't got round to finishing a theme that I'd like to use, and even with that, the interface just isn't built for touchscreens (IMO) |
| 20:57:36 | AlexP | gevaerts: yes, that's true |
| 20:58:52 | Zagor | rbutil file updated |
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| 21:03:50 | AlexP | great, thanks |
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| 21:04:04 | AlexP | Is the directory cleaned too, so I can offer a link for a manual install? |
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| 21:04:59 | Zagor | AlexP: not yet |
| 21:05:11 | AlexP | :) |
| 21:05:16 | AlexP | Sorry for piling this on you |
| 21:08:41 | Torne | pamaury: yes |
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| 21:13:02 | Zagor | AlexP: what did you do about the archos recorder in the rc build? |
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| 21:14:21 | Zagor | there, files purged too |
| 21:20:15 | AlexP | Zagor: thanks very much |
| 21:20:34 | AlexP | And nothing, if it doesn't build and nobody makes it build, then I was going to leave it out |
| 21:22:56 | gevaerts | The issue is 130 bytes big |
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| 21:26:07 | AlexP | well if someone wants to remove 130 bytes then great :) |
| 21:26:26 | spyroboy | hey, I've got a Q for you developers |
| 21:26:27 | * | gevaerts is looking :) |
| 21:26:48 | spyroboy | I have a first gen iPod classic 80GB |
| 21:26:59 | spyroboy | I just tried rockbox on it. works great. crashes sometimes. |
| 21:27:18 | spyroboy | I'm a programmer but I don't know anything about coding rockbox |
| 21:27:32 | spyroboy | how can I best help you guys debug and improve rockbox |
| 21:27:42 | AlexP | Scratch an itch :) |
| 21:27:44 | gevaerts | spyroboy: first of all, make sure you're running the latest revision |
| 21:27:47 | spyroboy | (battery life is kinda really bad) |
| 21:28:03 | AlexP | Fix or implement something you want fixing, or look at existing bugs and tackle those :) |
| 21:28:24 | gevaerts | With the classic, running the build that comes with the emcore installer is the most common cause for issues |
| 21:28:52 | spyroboy | oh |
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| 21:30:00 | TheSeven | spyroboy: well, if you really want to dig into it, you might want to debug where the latest USB breakage comes from |
| 21:30:13 | TheSeven | but that isn't really a beginner's task :/ |
| 21:30:58 | spyroboy | is there a rockbox github? |
| 21:31:08 | AlexP | there is a mirror I think |
| 21:31:18 | gevaerts | Why do you need that? |
| 21:31:21 | AlexP | Don't know how often it is synced |
| 21:31:44 | spyroboy | I don't need it. I don't even use github. it's just an easy way for looking through code. there's usually a github for most modern projects. |
| 21:31:45 | AlexP | I'd stick with the one on rockbox.org it will make it easier to do things like submit patches on gerrit |
| 21:31:58 | AlexP | You can browse it on rockbox.org |
| 21:32:31 | spyroboy | it's hard to find. |
| 21:32:49 | gevaerts | http://git.rockbox.org/ |
| 21:32:52 | amayer_ | spyroboy: do you have the most recent version or rockbox installed on your ipodclassic? |
| 21:33:13 | spyroboy | one sec, I'll show you which files I used. |
| 21:33:35 | AlexP | It is also linked from the dev guide (from the front page), or you can click on any of the code changes on the front page to get there |
| 21:33:45 | spyroboy | AlexP, yeah I found that. |
| 21:33:48 | AlexP | But yeah, we could probaby do with a direct link |
| 21:33:50 | gevaerts | AlexP: disabling HAVE_LCD_FLIP makes the recorder build again. I suspect it will break again on the very next increase though, so maybe we should only do that once we branch |
| 21:34:12 | spyroboy | http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20120102/installer-ipodclassic-r859-20120102.ubi I used this .ubi file |
| 21:34:13 | AlexP | gevaerts: If we are in freeze it shouldn't make any difference? |
| 21:34:17 | saratoga | we could disable the disk logging feature too |
| 21:34:22 | spyroboy | http://files.freemyipod.org/releases/20120102/rockbox-ipodclassic-r31516-20120102.zip and I used this rockbox file |
| 21:34:31 | saratoga | its useless at the moment since no logging is committed just yet |
| 21:34:44 | spyroboy | I'm just going to throw it in here. I happen to be a web developer. |
| 21:34:44 | saratoga | spyroboy: thats ancient |
| 21:34:46 | AlexP | TheSeven: Could emcore provide a more recent build, or freemyipod or whatever |
| 21:34:55 | AlexP | As lots of people seem to have trouble with this |
| 21:34:55 | amayer_ | spyroboy: use this http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip |
| 21:35:04 | spyroboy | saratoga, I was aware that it has a datestamp from january, but I figured it was the most recent |
| 21:35:08 | saratoga | where are people people getting this old builds from? |
| 21:35:15 | spyroboy | http://freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Releases/r859 |
| 21:35:19 | AlexP | spyroboy: There are multiple builds per day |
| 21:35:22 | spyroboy | http://freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot |
| 21:35:25 | AlexP | freemyipod isn't us |
| 21:35:32 | spyroboy | I'm aware. |
| 21:35:39 | spyroboy | but they're linking it from their tutorial. |
| 21:35:44 | amayer_ | freemyipod is really old(i use a 120GB classic) |
| 21:35:50 | amayer_ | and ran into the same problem |
| 21:35:58 | AlexP | Yeah, hence me trying to get TheSeven to update it :) |
| 21:36:02 | amayer_ | spyroboy: did you get my link? |
| 21:36:06 | spyroboy | yeah I did |
| 21:36:27 | amayer_ | that is a link to the current build(seeing as ipodclassic isnt stable) |
| 21:36:30 | spyroboy | amayer_, how do I use that to install rockbox? do I still use the freemyipod .ubi and use that .zip and extract it to the root? |
| 21:36:40 | saratoga | just unzip it |
| 21:36:47 | spyroboy | to? |
| 21:36:52 | AlexP | You only need to install the bootloader once |
| 21:36:54 | spyroboy | the 64MB partition? |
| 21:37:09 | amayer_ | use the freemyipod .ubi(boot loader) |
| 21:37:11 | amayer_ | all you need to do is put the .rockbox file on your root |
| 21:37:17 | spyroboy | alright. |
| 21:37:36 | CIA-16 | Commit e6fd7d2 in rockbox by 03Frank Gevaerts: Make the recorder build with HAVE_LCD_FLIP disabled. |
| 21:37:43 | AlexP | We could really do with our own bootloader, or getting emcore more integrated with us |
| 21:38:13 | saratoga | or at least someone to update teh freemyipod links to point to the current build |
| 21:38:24 | AlexP | yes, just direct at ours |
| 21:38:28 | saratoga | does anyone have access tot hat wiki? [7] ? |
| 21:38:31 | amayer_ | if they could link to the most recent build(i know i know, what if it has bugs?) |
| 21:38:33 | amayer_ | the recent builds have been really stable for me... i update like once a week |
| 21:38:35 | spyroboy | I don't know how coordinated with freemyipod you guys are |
| 21:38:45 | spyroboy | but I think it'd help a lot if the rockbox website was more informative |
| 21:38:45 | AlexP | not very |
| 21:38:56 | spyroboy | I'm not saying that empty handed either |
| 21:38:59 | AlexP | sure, patched welcome :) |
| 21:39:09 | AlexP | the website is in git too |
| 21:39:15 | spyroboy | would you guys be interested in some web help too? |
| 21:39:19 | AlexP | sure |
| 21:39:20 | saratoga | our website actually links to the correct build |
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| 21:39:29 | saratoga | but i guess most people won't read it |
| 21:39:34 | AlexP | spyroboy: but be ready for arguments :) |
| 21:39:45 | spyroboy | I'm up for discussion |
| 21:39:52 | saratoga | yeah sure updating our website to be more web 2.0ish would be nice |
| 21:40:01 | gevaerts | Please, no... |
| 21:40:02 | AlexP | spyroboy: I said argument for a reason :) |
| 21:40:06 | amayer_ | saratoga: agreed |
| 21:40:22 | gevaerts | Maybe some tweaking is ok, but don't change it too much... |
| 21:40:34 | spyroboy | AlexP, I work as a professional web developer. I realize how difficult it is to work with some people. :) |
| 21:40:38 | CIA-16 | e6fd7d2 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (Frank Gevaerts committed) |
| 21:40:38 | saratoga | i still want something like xbmc has where you can post news updates |
| 21:40:42 | AlexP | spyroboy: It isn't that |
| 21:40:51 | AlexP | spyroboy: It is just everyone wants a different thing |
| 21:40:52 | spyroboy | the style doesn't even have to change. |
| 21:40:57 | AlexP | Not that they are awkward |
| 21:41:13 | gevaerts | All rockbox developers are reasonable :) |
| 21:41:45 | spyroboy | wait |
| 21:41:47 | spyroboy | hold the phone for a sec |
| 21:41:55 | spyroboy | I held the menu button + select button for 12 seconds |
| 21:42:01 | spyroboy | now it's off and it won't turn on |
| 21:42:05 | spyroboy | did I break it? |
| 21:42:11 | amayer_ | check hold button |
| 21:42:19 | spyroboy | the hold button is off |
| 21:42:35 | amayer_ | did you hold play? |
| 21:42:39 | AlexP | it is next to impossible to break an ipod |
| 21:42:48 | AlexP | try menu+select again |
| 21:43:14 | TheSeven | AlexP: problem is that USB is broken on newer builds so people have to resort to that old one to transfer files |
| 21:43:20 | spyroboy | I tried holding play and I tried menu + select |
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| 21:43:23 | spyroboy | neither worked |
| 21:43:24 | amayer_ | AlexP: without a sledge hammer it _is_ imposable to brick an ipod |
| 21:43:37 | AlexP | TheSeven: It could mention to then install a newer one that doesn't crash all the time |
| 21:44:05 | AlexP | The majority of problems we get are from people using that build |
| 21:44:24 | TheSeven | yeah, and those who use the current build complain about broken USB |
| 21:44:37 | AlexP | OK, but the guide could mention this |
| 21:44:39 | amayer_ | spyroboy: are you sure it has battery left? |
| 21:44:41 | amayer_ | try connecting it to usb |
| 21:44:43 | AlexP | And give people the choice |
| 21:44:50 | saratoga | is there some intermediate build with non-broken USB and all the stability fixes in? |
| 21:44:57 | spyroboy | amayer_, it's connected to usb |
| 21:45:02 | saratoga | actually, what broke USB? |
| 21:45:08 | TheSeven | saratoga: don't think so |
| 21:45:19 | TheSeven | and no idea what exactly broke it, some rework in that area |
| 21:45:40 | TheSeven | nobody knows for sure and we can't really bisect because too many things have changed at once |
| 21:45:59 | TheSeven | AlexP: our guide is a wiki, too! |
| 21:46:10 | amayer_ | spyroboy: disconnect usb, hold menu + select |
| 21:46:11 | AlexP | TheSeven: I didn't want to but in |
| 21:46:13 | amayer_ | if its connected to usb and you hold menu + select you go into recovery mode(you dont want this) |
| 21:46:23 | saratoga | ahh FS #12460 |
| 21:46:24 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12460 3iPod Classic/6G crashes on USB connect (builds 31006 and above) (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 21:46:24 | AlexP | If I had, I would have just changed it to be current |
| 21:46:26 | spyroboy | how lomg? |
| 21:46:30 | AlexP | Not knowing about USB |
| 21:46:46 | spyroboy | 15:46:15 amayer_ >> if its connected to usb and you hold menu + select you go into recovery mode(you dont want this) |
| 21:46:53 | TheSeven | spyroboy: 5-10 seconds or >15 seconds should both make it boot normally |
| 21:47:00 | spyroboy | I held menu + select with it plugged into USB before |
| 21:47:07 | spyroboy | maybe it's stuck in recoevry mode? |
| 21:47:34 | TheSeven | menu+select should make it break out of anything (also dfu mode) after about 5 seconds |
| 21:47:36 | spyroboy | lemme try rebooting my computer |
| 21:47:40 | spyroboy | hm |
| 21:47:41 | saratoga | unplug USB and try it |
| 21:47:54 | spyroboy | I'll try again |
| 21:47:54 | saratoga | lots of devices don't reboot if you've got them hooked into USB |
| 21:47:55 | TheSeven | spyroboy: unplug your ipod, lock hold switch, unlock it again, hold menu+select |
| 21:47:56 | amayer_ | saratoga: thats what i said |
| 21:48:00 | TheSeven | if that doesn't work I'm clueless |
| 21:48:06 | spyroboy | hey what the |
| 21:48:09 | spyroboy | it worked this time |
| 21:48:10 | TheSeven | saratoga: these do |
| 21:48:19 | amayer_ | *face palm* |
| 21:48:23 | spyroboy | maybe it was because I fiddled with the hold button |
| 21:48:33 | spyroboy | sorry. |
| 21:48:48 | TheSeven | spyroboy: locking and unlocking the hold switch basically reboots the clickwheel controller |
| 21:48:57 | spyroboy | interesting. |
| 21:49:00 | TheSeven | so that can fix some odd situations where that is locked up |
| 21:49:13 | amayer_ | spyroboy: menu + select(while not connected to usb) will always reboot the device |
| 21:49:22 | TheSeven | it will do that, even when connected |
| 21:49:58 | spyroboy | there we go. lemme drop that .ubi in |
| 21:50:02 | amayer_ | TheSeven: it will but if you hold it too long the screen goes black(recovery mode) and will convuse people |
| 21:50:21 | TheSeven | yes, but you will see the display come on before that |
| 21:50:31 | amayer_ | TheSeven: true |
| 21:51:01 | TheSeven | which usb driver is it even using these days? mine or funman's? |
| 21:51:16 | amayer_ | i was going by the programmin 101 book: |
| 21:51:18 | amayer_ | Rule 1: all users are dumb |
| 21:51:52 | spyroboy | I agree with that even if I am the dumb person in this situation. |
| 21:52:07 | amayer_ | haha |
| 21:52:08 | spyroboy | I'm also a programmer. it's all relative. |
| 21:52:17 | CIA-16 | Commit 9e61976 in rockbox by 03Frank Gevaerts: Only build LOGFDISK for SWCODEC. |
| 21:52:19 | amayer_ | very true |
| 21:52:44 | amayer_ | spyroboy: besides the reboot trouble i had alot of the same questions as you |
| 21:52:48 | spyroboy | ok. dropping .rockbox from rockbox-ipod6g |
| 21:52:56 | amayer_ | good |
| 21:53:12 | amayer_ | you will notice a HUGE difference in preformance and battery life |
| 21:53:31 | spyroboy | is battery life somewhat comparable to stock firmware? |
| 21:53:54 | spyroboy | because by my estimates the last firmware was giving me maybe 12 hours |
| 21:53:59 | amayer_ | close. i havent bench marked it but i get 2 or 3 days use on 1 charge |
| 21:54:04 | spyroboy | oh |
| 21:54:08 | spyroboy | that's decent. |
| 21:54:09 | amayer_ | (i only use it at work on and off tho) |
| 21:54:14 | spyroboy | hm |
| 21:54:20 | CIA-16 | 9e61976 build result: All green |
| 21:54:23 | spyroboy | seems a lot better than the last firmware, no doubt. |
| 21:55:06 | spyroboy | although rockbox is telling me I have 99% battery even though it was 67% an hour or so ago? |
| 21:55:12 | spyroboy | do ipods charge that fast? |
| 21:55:30 | spyroboy | ah, it's dropping to 94%. |
| 21:55:35 | spyroboy | probably calibrating or something. |
| 21:55:36 | spyroboy | ? |
| 21:55:48 | AlexP | nothing that fancy |
| 21:55:57 | AlexP | Probably stabilising readings or something |
| 21:56:06 | AlexP | I don't know much about the classic port |
| 21:57:59 | spyroboy | here's a quick question and I don't really expect a resolution. |
| 21:58:09 | spyroboy | I copied the original iPod_Control folder over |
| 21:58:13 | spyroboy | I used to use gtkpod |
| 21:58:38 | spyroboy | is there an easy way to recover music from that obfuscated structure? |
| 21:58:59 | spyroboy | I'm actually pretty well versed in how it's layed out. just wondering if anyone's made a tool to automate it. |
| 21:59:01 | gevaerts | A tool that can rename based on tags might help |
| 21:59:12 | spyroboy | I figured. |
| 21:59:35 | amayer_ | what operating system are you using? |
| 21:59:36 | spyroboy | maybe I'll leave that for a weekend project. |
| 21:59:45 | spyroboy | I'm on windows at work, unfortunately. I use linux at home. |
| 21:59:47 | amayer_ | i used a tool for linux to do my bothers ipod |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:07 | amayer_ | magic something(uses brainz database) |
| 22:00:09 | amayer_ | *forgets exact names* |
| 22:00:14 | spyroboy | ah |
| 22:00:27 | amayer_ | its in the debian repo tho |
| 22:00:33 | spyroboy | well, all the metadata is stored in the music database in the ipod's structure anyway |
| 22:00:39 | spyroboy | I could probably just parse it out. |
| 22:02:22 | spyroboy | apparently the freemyipod site is really out of date so it brings me to a question |
| 22:02:29 | spyroboy | can the ipod classic dual boot? |
| 22:03:04 | gevaerts | no |
| 22:04:13 | amayer_ | i havent found a way to get the info out of the database. |
| 22:04:15 | amayer_ | the program i was talking about went by ID3 tags |
| 22:05:04 | spyroboy | yeah. |
| 22:05:06 | amayer_ | if your on windows try sharepod |
| 22:05:08 | amayer_ | that works very well if you are backing up your whole ipod |
| 22:05:22 | spyroboy | hm |
| 22:05:30 | amayer_ | i just remembered that from my windows&ipod days |
| 22:05:33 | amayer_ | *shutters* |
| 22:06:07 | spyroboy | I bet I could make a vfat image, attach it to a loop device and open it with gtkpod |
| 22:06:11 | spyroboy | if I was on linux |
| 22:06:29 | spyroboy | the wonders of linux |
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| 22:10:28 | amayer_ | spyroboy: |
| 22:10:31 | amayer_ | join #rockbox-community |
| 22:10:39 | spyroboy | sorry. |
| 22:10:44 | amayer_ | its all good |
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| 22:57:27 | pamaury | wodz: I just tested the safe_read function on the zenxfi2 without any problem |
| 22:57:51 | pamaury | I can't see understand under which circumstance a data abort address could be in safe_read |
| 22:58:58 | * | Torne has a look :) |
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| 23:01:34 | Torne | do you know what offset into the function the fault is? |
| 23:05:41 | pamaury | [18:19:38] <wodz> pamaury: look at g#286 in comments - 0x709EC is address inside safe read function |
| 23:05:42 | fs-bluebot | 3Gerrit review #286 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/286 : bFLT loader for plugins by Marcin Bukat (changes/86/286/10) |
| 23:06:02 | wodz | the fault was at ldr |
| 23:06:09 | pamaury | which ldr ? |
| 23:06:25 | wodz | the one poking suspected address |
| 23:06:47 | pamaury | it will be catched by the data_abort_handler |
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| 23:07:23 | wodz | I thought so too, but reality is different |
| 23:07:32 | Torne | there doesn't appear to be any way for that to fail *sometimes* |
| 23:07:34 | Torne | only always. |
| 23:07:53 | pamaury | what do you mean ? |
| 23:08:05 | Torne | i mean, it will either work always or never |
| 23:08:46 | pamaury | that's what I would think but wodz says he got a fault in safe_read :-/ |
| 23:08:52 | Torne | hm this is in the bFLT patch? |
| 23:09:08 | wodz | it was gevaerts actually as I don't have pp target |
| 23:09:09 | pamaury | perhaps something got overwritten ? |
| 23:09:38 | pamaury | or the data_abort_handler is not used for some mysterious reason |
| 23:10:11 | Torne | or relocated incorrectly :) |
| 23:11:05 | wodz | Torne: most probably, but still I would expect to get offending address not the safe_read() address |
| 23:11:05 | pamaury | hmm, that's a interested remark, could something bad happen here ? |
| 23:11:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:11:37 | pamaury | wodz: are you sure it's the offending ldr in safe_read and not the other one ? |
| 23:11:39 | Torne | wodz: no, i mean, the data_abort_handler may have the wrong idea of what safe_read*_faulty_addr is |
| 23:11:53 | Torne | if it's not relocated right |
| 23:12:09 | pamaury | the compiler should generate proper relocation for the label right ? |
| 23:12:18 | wodz | but it is in core not in plugin |
| 23:13:16 | wodz | how data_abort_handler may get this wrong? |
| 23:13:23 | Torne | oh, yes. uhm. |
| 23:13:25 | Torne | sorry :) |
| 23:13:34 | Torne | i forgot what we are doing :) |
| 23:13:56 | pamaury | perhaps you could logf the safe_read_* addresses just to check ? |
| 23:14:04 | pamaury | (if the data abort is deterministic) |
| 23:14:17 | Torne | yeah i dunno |
| 23:14:22 | Torne | memory corruption? |
| 23:14:28 | Torne | it really does look reasoanable :) |
| 23:14:41 | Torne | if that code works at all on anything it should work all the time on everything |
| 23:14:47 | Torne | it's pretty simple |
| 23:16:20 | pamaury | wodz: on another subject, what is the state of the rk27 usb code in the svn ? |
| 23:19:12 | wodz | pamaury: It doesn't work. I can't remember the details but it passes a few steps in enumeration and then fails |
| 23:19:26 | spyroboy | this isn't necessarily critical but on the playing screen the gradiant background is just a solid dark colour |
| 23:19:33 | spyroboy | is this a known bug? |
| 23:19:45 | TheSeven | spyroboy: battery level isn't all that accurate |
| 23:19:51 | TheSeven | especially while/shortly after charging |
| 23:20:02 | spyroboy | huh |
| 23:20:15 | spyroboy | I'm aware. |
| 23:20:33 | TheSeven | especially on the classic where we don't have battery current measurements |
| 23:20:48 | TheSeven | so it'll drop massively while the hdd is spinning etc. |
| 23:21:07 | pamaury | wodz: it is sufficient to build the rk27generic target for the mp3 you sent me ? I'll have a try at fix usb now, I'm waiting for my fuze+ to discharge ^^ |
| 23:21:12 | TheSeven | on the nano2g (with a current sensor) at least the discharging estimates are much better |
| 23:21:40 | spyroboy | is this related to my question regarding the gradient background, TheSeven? |
| 23:21:44 | spyroboy | I'm just a little confused. |
| 23:21:57 | TheSeven | no, that was just some clarification regarding something you said an hour ago in the background |
| 23:22:02 | spyroboy | ah ok |
| 23:22:13 | wodz | pamaury: rk27generic build will work out of the box |
| 23:24:04 | pamaury | fortunately I have the usb analyzer, that should help |
| 23:24:10 | wodz | Unfortunately I don't have the .map file for the build gevaerts tested. |
| 23:24:26 | TheSeven | pamaury: ah, wanna fix ipod classic usb while you're at it? :P |
| 23:24:49 | wodz | pamaury: I may dig up OF code for usb handling if you are interested |
| 23:25:28 | pamaury | TheSeven: provide me with the ipod thing and I might do that |
| 23:25:43 | pamaury | (if I manage not to burn it ^^) |
| 23:26:14 | pamaury | wodz: let me try before, learning something from the OF will probably be difficult |
| 23:27:25 | wodz | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-201207255#00:19:00 - back then I had .map handy for that build |
| 23:27:38 | spyroboy | is there a way to make the menu items larger in rockbox |
| 23:27:43 | spyroboy | like, taller |
| 23:28:01 | spyroboy | do I just need to drop in a larger font? |
| 23:28:15 | wodz | 1) change font or 2) turn on additional vertical spacing |
| 23:30:02 | spyroboy | is this something I can find in the wiki? I'm having trouble finding vertical spacing |
| 23:30:27 | wodz | TheSeven: funman narrowed down n2g usb problem to some general jhMikes usb rework. |
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| 23:30:58 | wodz | hmm, maybe it is only on touch targets? Can't remember - ask kugel he implemented this vertical spacing |
| 23:31:22 | TheSeven | hm, maybe reintroducing some of the good old race conditions that I requested gevaerts to fix when I first wrote the n2g driver? |
| 23:31:45 | pamaury | race condition in the driver itself or usb code in general ? |
| 23:31:50 | TheSeven | the latter |
| 23:32:18 | * | gevaerts wants people to fix usb on the new ipods so the new ipods can be switched to the new model that supports better charger detection |
| 23:32:27 | TheSeven | you have to start expecting a response before sending the request (or expecting an ack before sending a response) |
| 23:32:56 | TheSeven | otherwise you end up with spurious STALLs |
| 23:34:02 | gevaerts | Well, you're the device side. You have to deal with what the host side does... |
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| 23:34:26 | pamaury | the problem is that the usb controllers are very different |
| 23:34:57 | pamaury | some do some auto-ack, some don't, so have timing issues, ... that's difficult to deal with |
| 23:35:06 | TheSeven | problem is that if the ACK hits your before you've set up the receiving endpoint properly it'll respond with a STALL |
| 23:35:14 | TheSeven | which, IIUC, is correct behavior |
| 23:35:20 | TheSeven | you* |
| 23:35:42 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 23:35:56 | * | gevaerts doesn't remember the details of the issue back then |
| 23:36:16 | * | TheSeven remembers that only the n2g was actually affected by that bug, so it could be a reason why only that one got broken again |
| 23:37:50 | pamaury | on my side I've always wanted to start recveiving the ack before sending the answer but iirc it would break another target... |
| 23:37:50 | gevaerts | wodz: do you remember if funman had a revision for that? |
| 23:38:38 | wodz | gevaerts: Yes he found offending commit |
| 23:39:41 | * | gevaerts tries to find this in the logs |
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| 23:40:56 | spyroboy | does rockbox support unicode? |
| 23:41:21 | amayer | yes |
| 23:45:11 | gevaerts | the latest I can find about nano2g is http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120429#20:42:36 |
| 23:45:18 | gevaerts | TheSeven: do you remember more? |
| 23:45:58 | pamaury | wodz: the bootloader is not happy: "can't load BASE.rkw" |
| 23:46:07 | pamaury | apparently it is named rockbox.rkw ... |
| 23:46:52 | wodz | pamaury: BASE.rkw is OF. Botloader tries to load it when usb cable is detected |
| 23:47:13 | pamaury | ah ok |
| 23:47:25 | pamaury | does it recharge when in rockchip usb mode ? |
| 23:47:55 | wodz | it should |
| 23:48:12 | wodz | charging is purely hardware based |
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| 23:50:02 | wodz | gevaerts: I think it was 47bade1437d5281a5aca0ec8b2b9a3956f88f685 |
| 23:53:48 | gevaerts | wodz: right, could be. I don't really see how that can break things, but as with all weird issues that probably just proves it does... |
| 23:54:19 | amayer | JdGordon: ping |
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