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#rockbox log for 2012-09-05

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01:21:28funmanI gave a clipv1 to an opus developer (derf on irc)
01:21:56funmanhe said he would cook a patch to reduce stack usage in silk, and that 300kb of ram would be plenty enough
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07:31:46kugelthe commit search on git.rockbox.org (in gitweb) seems broken
07:32:07kugelor am I misunderstanding it?
07:34:13Tornewell, how do you expect it to work? :)
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07:36:24kugelTorne: enter a commit hash (or part of it) and display the matching commit(s)
07:36:41kugelor parts of the commit message
07:36:51Torneno, just the message
07:37:12Torneit doesn't take hashes
07:37:14kugelso i cant use it to search by hash?
07:37:41Torneno.
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07:40:07frenchverbsHow do I boot directly into Rockbox from emCORE v0.2.3 r859 on the iPod classic?
07:40:25frenchverbsI'm sorry if that's a dumb question.
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08:00:58JdGordonkugel: google is quite useful at searching git hashes
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08:45:27mortaliswodz: frequency scaling is the reason of data aborts as it was expected
08:46:40mortalisalmost always data abort in tick_start function and only once i've seen data abort in commit_discard_dcache
08:48:27wodzcould you tell if this is in going from normal->max or max->normal?
08:48:44mortalisnormal->max
08:48:55wodzhmm
08:49:33wodzcan you crash the device when changing freq in debug screen also?
08:50:18mortaliscan't
08:50:42wodzbummer
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08:51:15wodztry to add some additional delay after pll lock
08:53:42mortalisi'll try later at the evening
08:54:06CIA-16Commit a46e0b0 in rockbox by 03Marcin Bukat: unwarminder: make SP and PC visible on smaller screens
08:56:39CIA-16a46e0b0 build result: All green
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09:57:49pamaurywodz: I had a quick look at the action firmware modifier and it will not be easy to figure out where is scrambling code :-/ When I can I'll try to do some live reverse engineering when opening a firmware file.
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10:04:46wodzpamaury: http://wiki.s1mp3.org/How_to_decrypt_manufacturer%27s_firmware - e150 firmware begins with this 0x11 0x12 .... The code mentioned there doesn't work though (and so called second sig is different). If I bypass all consistency checks it produces file with many repeating blocks
10:06:26wodzI'am gonna email author of this descramble code
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10:07:26pamauryI'll have a look at the executable file you've given me, I've notified the 3DU too, just haven't found it in the code yet
10:08:14pamauryoh wait, I didn't release that 3DUfw is 0x33 0X44 0x55 0X66 0x77
10:08:15pamauryamazing
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10:24:19pamaurywodz: I already found a difference between the descrambler you found and the action tool.
10:24:27pamauryPerhaps it's a new version
10:28:15wodzprobably
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15:43:07*DSStrife89 has a possibly-trashed Clip+ now.
15:43:55DSStrife89In both firmwares, it shuts off immediately after showing the splash screen.
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15:46:35megal0maniacHow long does it show the splash screen for?
15:47:59Strife89-NDS30 seconds for Rockbox, just now.
15:48:31Strife89-NDSAlthough it displays a PANIC message again.
15:48:55Strife89-NDSMaybe the battery was just low.
15:50:39megal0maniacWhat does it do if you plug in the USB cable when it's off?
15:51:09Strife89-NDSI can't test that at the moment, but
15:52:04Strife89-NDSlast time I tried that, it boots to the OF, and after the splash, starts that damned Refresh Database procedure.
15:52:34Strife89-NDSWhich takes so long that I fell asleep before it finished.
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15:58:30Strife89-NDSWhat's the button combo to reset Rockbox's settings during startup on the Clip+?
15:59:14megal0maniacDidn't know that that option existed...
15:59:24megal0maniacRecovery mode requires 2 pins to be shorted out
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16:00:08Strife89-NDSI believe it doesn't exist on a handful of players - e.g., those with few buttons.
16:00:39Strife89-NDSBut on, say, the c200, one simply holds [Record] to do it.
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17:17:03GodEaterdiscuss : is it time to make our current forums read only and bring in some new ones with better spam protection?
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17:22:05LambdaCalculus37I'm thinking that while making the forums read-only is a good call, I think it would be better to just close registration of new users for now.
17:22:08scorchedo other ones really have better spam protection?
17:22:29GodEaterscorche: I've no idea
17:22:33GodEaterbut surely it's worth invetigating?
17:22:34LambdaCalculus37We can look at others to see what they offer.
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17:22:57scorchei mean, i would think i have engaged some decent defenses - recaptcha, security questions, etc
17:23:04scorchea better version of akismet might be nice
17:23:17scorchebut yeah - it is worth investigating
17:23:34LambdaCalculus37scorche: But how about closing registration for now?
17:24:12scorchei think that is a bit extreme, though i havent really looked at the forums in a while
17:24:35LambdaCalculus37Keep our current users, purge out spam accounts, and allow only registered users (legit ones) to post?
17:24:40scorcheif others think that is desired, then i can
17:24:40GodEaterit's pretty horrible scorche
17:25:06GodEaterdeleting spam messages seems to be becoming a full time job
17:25:40LambdaCalculus37I counted 100+ registrations per day. 99% are spammers.
17:26:02scorcheregistrations dont really matter - posts that arent caught by akismet do
17:26:47LambdaCalculus37GodEater: Although those with a poor grasp of English make for funny Dadaist poets, yes, it's terrible.
17:30:07*LambdaCalculus37 counts 46 new accounts from today alone
17:37:41minusspam accs?
17:38:25minusthose are a damn pest, i tried everything from recaptcha over akismet to topic-specific verification questions, nothing helps
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17:45:39GodEaterwe need a voting system on posts :)
17:45:57minuslike facepunch?
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18:04:15scorche|shyeah - i think it is more an issue of being a target...
18:04:34scorche|shbut, like i said, i will look into some other solutions..
18:06:26amayer_while were talking about the website. have you guys ever discussed redoing the whole thing?
18:06:50amayer_not really functionality wise but more design wise
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18:13:23scorche|shamayer_: not recently, but it has been a subject in the past
18:14:05minusone of those "should be done" tasks
18:16:25scorche|shamayer_: you can read through this 23 page forum post if you want: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,12607.0.html ;)
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18:19:01amayer_wow thats a long discussion
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18:40:45mortaliswodz: delay doesn't help
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19:20:49bluebrotherGodEater: I was wondering some time ago if some tool like http://askbot.com/ would be more useful than forums for support questions
19:21:49bluebrotherI really like it kinda "drowning" useless posts
19:22:04bluebrotherplus, it requires users to use the search function a lot more :)
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19:48:02AlexPamayer_: Short answer, yes many people are in favour, but good luck getting agreement
19:48:32AlexPNobody agrees on what info should be presented where or on design
19:48:58amayer_i think the content is ok. i was talking more design
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19:49:08AlexPNobody will agree about that either
19:49:18amayer_such is life
19:49:22AlexPbut please do feel free to present some mockups
19:49:28AlexPthe status quo is strong
19:50:06amayer_i dont do design. i mostly work with php and backends(admins and content management) but i talked to a couple of my buddys to see what they come up with
19:50:31amayer_the one that would normally do it just got married tho... so im not expecting much
19:50:41AlexPPersonally I would favour a refresh
19:50:47AlexPI'm just warning you
19:51:22AlexPUltimately it is down to Zagor, so you could try coming up with a design then convincing him :)
19:51:48amayer_the only thing i dont like about the site is the smarty engine. its too hard to debug problems
19:52:13AlexPThat is just the theme site, no?
19:52:13amayer_ive been trying to update the functionality of the theme site but i cant get a local version running yet
19:52:30Zagoramayer_: we have a new design (at least it was new a few years ago...): http://new.rockbox.org/
19:52:53Zagorunfortunately it doesn't fit all content very well so was mothballed
19:53:04AlexPI always liked that
19:54:55amayer_its pretty decent
19:58:12amayer_did anyone look at the repeat selector menu on the ipod classic?
19:58:15amayer_i talked about it before but never did a bug report
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20:01:14AlexPI doubt it
20:01:29AlexPIt is perhaps unlikely with a bug report, doubly so without :)
20:02:41amayer_im not sure if its device specific or not
20:03:17amayer_so i should file a bug then?
20:05:40AlexPI don't know what you are referring to in particular, but it sounds like it
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20:10:09amayer_im no an ipod classic. the other day i mentioned that when i go to the repeat/shuffle settings menu(by holding menu button on wps) and press right to change the repeat setting it gets stuck saying "shuffle" and you cant change it unless you go the the main menu and go through the settings tree
20:12:52bluebrotherI really liked the column thing I made a mockup years ago: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/ultimate-3-column-holy-grail-ems.htm :)
20:13:50bluebrotherbut enough people didn't like that so I stopped looking into it. And assume that the current one will stick for another couple of years :)
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20:23:25CIA-16Commit 05caadb in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Correctly construct the path for talkfile generation.
20:25:35CIA-1605caadb build result: All green
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20:59:07amayer_wasnt 3.12 supposed to come out this week?
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21:03:58bluebrotherit was supposed to get branched last weekend, but the USB issues blocked that
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21:14:01amayer_oh ok. is the usb a problem on alot of devices or just 2 or 3?
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21:26:08linuxstbamayer_: From what I've read here, it's lots - all PortalPlayer devices at least, plus others which share the same USB hardware
21:27:00AlexPamayer_: The dev mailing list is useful for this sort of stuff :) You would have seen my emails
21:32:47amayer_haha. everytime i sign up for something with you guys there is always one more thing
21:33:11amayer_i started with irc, then the wiki, then the forums... i guess the mailing list cant hurt
21:33:14AlexPamayer_: Well you can read it on the website too
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21:36:09amayer_AlexP: very helpful thanks
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21:36:47amayer_does UBS effect ipod classic?
21:36:47AlexPno worries
21:37:00amayer_the bug i mean
21:37:00AlexPI don't know anything about the classic
21:37:45AlexPI don't know if it has USB, but if so I think it is a different driver
21:37:55AlexPIf that is the route cause, it might be something else
21:38:14AlexPBut I don't remember hearing about it on the classic
21:39:13amayer_i remembered you guys talking about it last week(?) and today i went to connect my ipod and it froze. i was like "OH NO!"
21:39:16amayer_but then i got it to work. i think it was just a glitch
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21:50:02bluebrotheramayer_: see FS #12743
21:50:04fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12743 3'Data Abort' on USB connection (bugs, unconfirmed)
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22:02:32Strife89Are there any Clip+ users in here at the moment?
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22:22:04Strife89Hmm, trying to download the PDF manual currently doesn't appear to work. [Rockbox Utility v1.3.0; device: Sansa c200, host OS: Linux]
22:24:50AlexPStrife89: works here
22:25:02AlexPDo you have the mountpoint set and is it writeable?
22:25:05Strife89Yes.
22:25:18AlexPdunno then, as I say it is fine here
22:25:20Strife89Just went and reinstalled 3.11.2
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22:29:09bluebrotherStrife89: works for me. But what does not work: if I change the selected player it downloads the old players manual :o
22:32:19Strife89Weird.
22:32:45AlexPbluebrother: not quite
22:32:57AlexPthe dialogue box is wrong, but the manual for the new player is downloaded
22:33:04AlexPhere at least :)
22:33:22AlexPoh no
22:33:23Strife89Clip+ manual downloads for me.
22:33:24AlexPmy mistake
22:33:29AlexPit is the same file
22:33:35AlexPbut named with the newly selected player
22:34:16AlexPooops :)
22:34:47bluebrothercrap.
22:34:52bluebrotherso bug #3 after 1.3.0
22:35:00bluebrotherbut after all, it's a .0 release *g*
22:35:41bluebrotherI can see it querying for the wrong manual pretty clearly in the log
22:36:10*Strife89 installs a fresh new bootloader onto his Clip+
22:38:45*bluebrother found the bug
22:40:37CIA-16Commit 4f99dd4 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Fix manual URLs not getting updated properly on device change.
22:42:20Strife89Heh, my random poking around actually helped for once.
22:42:57CIA-164f99dd4 build result: All green
22:42:58bluebrothersure, keep doing that
22:43:21bluebrotherthe lack of people trying development versions of Rockbox Utility isn't too helpful actually
22:43:37bluebrother(the lack of developers working on it is neither ...)
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23:08:47pixelmanot enough Dominiks ;)
23:12:00bluebrotherthen we need to rename someone!
23:12:02bluebrother:)
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