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#rockbox log for 2012-09-15

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14:03:11[Saint]can someone please tell me why it is that ~90% of the time I get a topic reply mail from the forum...there's no damn reply?
14:03:59[Saint]is spam triggering the reply mail, then being caught by akismet?
14:04:17[Saint](seems logical now I think of it)
14:10:23bootinfdsdsHow do I incorporate WebP into rockbox ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP
14:11:02gevaerts[Saint]: probably, yes
14:12:39[Saint]people use that?
14:12:49[Saint]re: WebP
14:14:58bootinfdsdsour company does.
14:15:36bootinfdsdsAlso some movement on the codecs front : the opus codec ...
14:16:13gevaertsbootinfdsds: I'd say have a look at apps/plugins/imageviewer/
14:16:23bootinfdsdsloooking
14:16:34gevaertsThat's where the decoders for the image viewer plugin live
14:16:53gevaertsPeople are working on opus. Not sure if they've been very active lately though
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14:24:55wodzI think I understand the problem with bFLT.
14:25:34wodzelf2flt will need to be more rb centric to solve this.
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14:53:18AlexPAlso, we are still in Freeze
14:53:25AlexPBut probably shouldn't be :)
14:53:36AlexPgevaerts: Thoughts?
14:53:46AlexPThe general USB issue seems fixed
14:54:27AlexPWhich leaves nano 2G and AMSv2
14:54:37AlexPNano doesn't seem much option but to leave it at 3.10
14:55:12AlexPand AMSv2 we could just disable USB - not very nice, but better than unstable USB, and that doesn't look like being fixed any time soon
14:55:29gevaertsAMSv2 is a mess
14:55:34AlexPyes
14:55:49AlexPIs anything else up with it?
14:55:52gevaertsDisabling USB with the bootloader booting rockbox on USB connect is rather far from ideal
14:56:05AlexPIndeed
14:56:18AlexPLots of things seem to be a mess these days
14:58:39gevaertsWhat's the rockbox utility situation?
14:59:53AlexPI thought something was committed to let it offer old stable versions, but checking it now I can't see that for nano2g
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15:00:13AlexPbluebrother: What's the status on that?
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15:00:39gevaertsFor AMSv2, maybe the best way forward is disabling USB *and* releasing a new bootloader (and rbutil, since that's integrated, which is how the entire mess started), so at least new installs will get a consistent and working situation
15:01:12gevaertsThat assumes we can reboot on USB connect properly. I hope that still works...
15:01:29AlexPIt doesn't
15:01:30AlexPOne mo
15:01:54gevaertsWell, not with USB enabled of course :)
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15:03:34gevaertsAre all translations on flyspray merged?
15:04:56AlexPgevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20120903#22:44:57
15:05:10AlexPgevaerts: Not sure, I did a load a while back but there might be some new ones
15:05:14AlexPI'll check
15:05:40gevaertsoh, fun
15:06:38gevaertsIsn't that solved with b61b14f5 though? IIRC those issues at least sounded similar
15:07:22AlexPI don't know :)
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15:07:58AlexPThere are Slovenian and French on flyspray, plus a load of German ones, but I was rather hoping one of our German speakers would look at those
15:08:33*gevaerts thinks we should consider this HWCODEC fork people have been talking about. SWCODEC is getting too unstable recently, so we should only support the Archoses from now on
15:08:43AlexPseems fair
15:09:31gevaertshmmm
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15:09:49gevaertsActually, is AMSv2 USB worse in master than in 3.11?
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15:10:25AlexPrasher: about?
15:17:34bertrikAMSv2 USB generally worked for me, except for the crashes
15:17:41CIA-18Commit 3a13995 in rockbox by 03Alex Parker: FS #12662 by Manuel Flury - update French translation
15:17:42CIA-18Commit 213f69d in rockbox by 03Alex Parker: FS #12750 by Vanja Cvelbar - update Slovenian translation
15:20:24CIA-18213f69d build result: All green
15:20:45gevaertsIf current dev isn't worse than 3.11 for AMSv2 USB, releasing as-is doesn't make things worse
15:21:18AlexPI don't remember much changing, but I haven't been paying massive amounts of attention
15:21:19gevaertsWhich means we should consider ignoring the issue release-wise
15:22:48AlexPrasher: Apparently "on http://translate.rockbox.org/ it should be labeled "Slovenščina (Slovenian)" as Slovenčina = Slovak"
15:22:59AlexPw.r.t. Slovenian
15:23:29gevaertsThe filename is slovenscina.lang, which seems to confirm this at first sight
15:23:33AlexPyep
15:23:53gevaertshm
15:24:15*gevaerts can probably fix that
15:26:18AlexPI wonder if Zagor made the change live after 2c57972
15:26:32CIA-18Commit a74f25e in translate by 03Frank Gevaerts: Fix typo in Slovenian language name
15:27:11gevaertsOK, that one is live
15:27:23AlexPcool
15:27:29AlexPA minor win! :)
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15:36:34*gevaerts sent his opinion on AMSv2 to the mailing list
15:36:45[Saint]can the nano2g reboot on USB?
15:36:55gevaertsHmmm
15:37:45[Saint]I assume you know where I'm going with this :)
15:38:00gevaertsNot when we were releasing 3.11, but IIRC a few weeks ago when we did some testing it appeared the stack was too small (in addition to the other USB issues), so maybe that caused reboot to fail back then
15:38:19gevaertsIf so, releasing with disabled USB is an option
15:38:28*[Saint] nods
15:40:55gevaertsCan you test? Remove the "#define USE_ROCKBOX_USB" line in config/ipodnano2g.h, and see what happens. If it freezes, change firmware/usb.c line 72 to "static long usb_stack[(DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE + 4096)[C[4~[4~/sizeof(long)];"
15:41:20gevaertsIIRC removing USE_ROCKBOX_USB should make it reboot on connect, but it's been a while...
15:42:01gevaertsIf it works, I'd say we want to see it tested on a few more devices to make sure
15:42:12gevaertsThat can be done from RC builds of course
15:45:11gevaertsAlexP: I'd say we decide by tomorrow night what to do about AMSv2 and nano2g, then either continue the freeze for a few more days (say, until Wednesday) or branch immediately
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15:45:44AlexPsounds sensible
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16:17:16bertrikgevaerts: opus is basically ready for push after the freeze
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16:22:23gevaertsHow well does it work?
16:23:34gevaertsI mean, if it works reasonably well at this point, and it doesn't touch any unrelated code, we could consider still allowing it in 3.12. If it e.g. still needs optimisation to be usable at all, that's not an option
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17:11:58lebelliumhow can I get alternating sublines not to repeat in a loop every time? For example I want to display %fc for 2 seconds then %fb until skipping to the next track
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19:01:11lebellium[Saint]: I don't know if you remember I asked you some time ago if you could also provide your Ubuntu font with additional sizes between your current 10 and 14. I'm still interested :)
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22:51:13[Saint]Gah!
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22:51:32[Saint]I wish I knew how to tackle this elegantly:
22:53:41[Saint]The translation thing is driving me nuts with this RaaA theme, and I'm not sure how to handle it.
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22:55:59b0hoonhi. i would like to say that USB on AMSv2 works almost fine for me.
22:56:38[Saint]A 240x320 RaaA apk with my theme and allvoice files compiled ito it ends up around ~30MB :-S
22:56:41b0hooni have a clip+ now and it's good except somethimes it doesn't mount on my win7 x64 for the first time
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22:58:10b0hoonso i'm for an option (a) if it matters.
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23:09:36[Saint]lebellium: "how can I get alternating sublines not to repeat in a loop every time? For example I want to display %fc for 2 seconds then %fb until skipping to the next track" the answer here is non-obvious, as it is "Don't use sublines" (IMO). You could do something like: %?if(%pc,<=,2)<%fb|%fc>
23:10:17[Saint]which is just "if playing time is lesser than or equal to 2 seconds, do foo, else bar"
23:11:40[Saint]given the requirements listed, this seems fine, but it may not work for you for reasons I'm unaware of.
23:13:54lebelliumhum good idea, I try that now :)
23:15:22*[Saint] has them occasionally
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23:16:20lebelliumok it works :)
23:16:25lebelliumthanks
23:16:32lebelliumand regarding your ubuntu fonts?
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