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#rockbox log for 2012-10-12

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03:16:03amayerdoes anyone have an ipod classic <= 5G?
03:16:05amayerif so: does Ipod Accessery protocol work?
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03:47:31amayeris anyone familiar with iap.c and serial.c?
03:47:33amayeri would like to try and impemant the IAP on ipod classic. im wondering what all i would need to do
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05:08:42[Saint]<amayer_> I liked my ipod classic because it could hook into my car stereo <−−- You don't need IAP for this...
05:09:18[Saint]You just need a stereo that isn't totally braindead (one that knows how to handle things that aren't iPods).
05:10:08[Saint]If the stereo is capable of playback from an arbitrary USB mass storage device, then, there's no need for IAP.
05:15:14amayer[Saint]: i think i tried and it told me "unsupported device" or something like that
05:15:27amayerlet me run out quick to test(brb)
05:18:23JdGordonalot of radios will see a apple usb device id and try talking IAP and not fall back to MSC if it fails
05:22:14amayer[Saint]: my radio beeps then displays "usb no suprt"
05:22:30amayerJdGordon: i think you are right
05:23:33amayerthere is already support for IAP on some devices.
05:23:35amayerhave we tested the same code on the classic?
05:23:37amayeri noticed there was no #ifdef IPOD_CLASSIC or whatever denotes a 6G
05:25:08amayeri have the energy and some free time durring weekdays.
05:25:10amayeri just need someone to point me in the right direction
05:25:42amayerim not that familiar with the rockbox code. i usually just look at what ever people are talking about on irc(which hasnt been IAP while ive been logged on)'
05:26:17JdGordonTheSeven will know about that
05:26:20[Saint]JdGordon: do you know for what reason it is we can't just change out the device ID dynamically?
05:26:25[Saint]...has trhis been thought of?
05:26:30[Saint]-r
05:26:36*TheSeven wonders what he's supposed to know at 5:30 am :P
05:27:00JdGordonnoone has bothered tring i tihnk
05:27:15[Saint]I mean, if a stereo is just using the device ID to tell if it's an ipod...can't we just tell it that it's a USb key instead?
05:27:21amayerTheSeven: have we tried to use IAP on ipod classic?
05:28:07TheSevenno, because the IAP code is a huge mess that's deeply intertwined with PP-specific code
05:28:18TheSevenor at least it used to be back when I ported rockbox to the classic
05:28:21[Saint]Settings - System - USB Enumeration - " 'iPod'; 'Not an iPod' " :)
05:28:27TheSevenI have a lowlevel serial driver in emcore
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05:28:55TheSevenbut nobody has bothered trying to make it work with IAP so far
05:29:00[Saint]Would an approach like that "just work"? And, does it break spec?
05:29:09[Saint]re: faking device ID.
05:29:15TheSevenpartially because bertrik was about to clean up IAP anyway, so I decided to wait for that first
05:29:21TheSevenbut I'm not sure if that ever happened in the end
05:29:52TheSeven[Saint]: changing the device id while disconnected should be trivial
05:30:07amayerTheSeven: is there something i can do to help with the initiative?
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05:30:59[Saint]I suppose the question is, then. Which device ID would we use?
05:31:35amayeridk the usb standard but is there a "GENERIC USB DRIVE" type of id?
05:31:59[Saint]Being able to tell "dumb" stereos that an iPod isn't really an iPod, but is in fact just "dumb storage" would be bloody awesome.
05:32:17amayer[Saint]: agreed
05:32:45amayerbut even so i would still like to active the IAP
05:33:02*[7] remembers a ML thread about that
05:33:05[Saint]It feels like too good an idea for someone to have not thought of it already...so, I guess that worries me.
05:33:07[7]get an ID from openmoko or something
05:33:08[7]no, it's a vendor/product kind of thing
05:33:17[7]well either piggyback on some known thumbdrive device id (although that's a bit nasty)
05:33:19[7]or get our own ID from someone
05:33:24[7]for IAP someone would need to dig though our code base and figure out what will actually need to be implemented
05:33:27[Saint]It's either secretly a really shitty idea, or, implementation is harder than I think it'd be.
05:33:55[7]the lowlevel driver is fairly simple, but plugging it into all that autobauding and IAP protocol stuff might not be exactly trivial if that's still the PP mess it used to be a couple of years ago
05:50:13amayeris the lowlevel driver in the project or somewhere else?
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11:45:16wodzgevaerts: ping
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12:26:35wodznow elfload reached beta stage, as it loads correctly all plugins on PP and CF
12:26:54gevaertsNice!
12:27:23wodzgevaerts: could you look at imageviewer build system, I hacked something which works but is ugly
12:27:32gevaertsI can, tonight
12:28:08wodztime to dive into interworking shit
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14:33:21amayer_do you get noticfications from the forums if someone posts spam on your thread?
14:33:22amayer_i got a notification for: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=38601.new;topicseen#new
14:33:25amayer_but there is nothing there.
14:33:27amayer_i took .new;topicseen#new off the end but there are still no comments
14:33:39gevaertsYes
14:34:09gevaerts(unfortunately)
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15:32:33amayer_is there a way i can get the USB HID from my ipod if i have the OF on linux?
15:34:20amayer_[7]: ping
15:35:04[7]huh? the OF doesn't have a hid mode...
15:35:55amayer_*confused* isnt that how devices are identified?
15:36:12amayer_usb id? maybe
15:37:03gevaertslsusb
15:37:15gevaertsAnd indeed, HID != PID or VID
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15:38:00TorneHID == human interface device. PID/VID == product/vendor ID
15:38:04Tornethe latter is what you want, yeah :)
15:38:26Tornethe two four digit hex numbers in lsusb output with a colon between them are the PID/VID
15:38:33amayer_[7]: the thing i wanted to ask about was line 245 and 246 in firmware/export/config/ipod6g.h
15:38:36amayer_the IPOD_ACCESSORY_PROTOCOL & HAVE_SERIAL is commented out. did 6g used to support IAP
15:38:38Tornee.g. 1d6b:0001
15:39:33amayer_Torne: so i want the "0001" part right?
15:39:39Torneno, both
15:39:43amayer_oh ok
15:39:46Tornethe first four digits are the vendor id
15:39:49Tornethe last four are the product id
15:40:25[7]vid will be 05ac (apple) for ipods, pid will be 12XX depending on model IIRC
15:41:08[7]and no, as I said yesterday IAP support isn't implemented on nano2g/classic yet
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15:41:48Torneeven if it was then most interesting devices to connect to over IAP these days do it over the wonky usb thing we don't implement, rather than serial, also, no?
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15:43:47amayer_Torne: the only reason im asking is that i think the 6g(rockboxed) uses a generic Ipod classic id. when i used to plug my ipod in ubuntu would know it was a black ipod classic.
15:43:49amayer_so im wondering if it has a different it that identifies it as black. the icons in each program were different and stuff like that. its not something huge. just minor curiosity.
15:44:15Tornethe IDs we have hardcoded are just the original ID of the device from before rockbox was installed
15:44:31Torneit's possible that slightly different models of the original device exist that apple give different IDs to, but we use the same id for all of them
15:44:43Tornethey're not retrieved from the hardware or anything, we just determined what they were and hardcoded them in our source :)
15:45:20Tornethere's a weird thing on ipods where you can retrieve a mysterious xml file from the device over some proprietary scsi command, iirc
15:45:27Tornewhich has a bunch of info about the ipod
15:45:38Torne...someone correct me if i'm imagining things
15:45:45amayer_Torne: thats interesting
15:45:55Tornebut unless i'm mistaken then that's probably it
15:45:59Torneand yeah we don't do that :)
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15:49:26[7]all ipod classics have the same vid/pid IIUC
15:49:38[7]color definitely doesn't affect it
15:49:42gevaertsWe *could* do that though. There's a preliminary patch somewhere
15:49:57[7]possibly generation, but I don't think it they bumped it for the second/third classic generation at all
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15:55:57nrgi'm getting excited
15:56:11nrgordered a clip zip on amazon, waiting for it to arrive
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15:59:41amayer_[7]: im just wondering how the applications(itunes, rythmbox, nautilus) identified it as a "black 120gb ipod classic"
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18:07:05pamaurywho know the input/keymap/action system well ?
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18:39:41n1spamaury: JdGordon i think
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18:41:54n1sAlexP: g#331 could be needed for the release
18:41:57fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #331 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/331 : wpsbuild: fix copying of remote font by Nils Wallménius (changes/31/331/1)
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18:44:10n1swould i commit it to the "v3.12" branch if so?
18:44:32n1sor someone else who wants to do this?
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18:49:59n1sor perhaps for 3.12.1? it's not really critical, the bug will only cause the remote font for cabbiev2 to not be included in the zip and the theme.cfg to have the wrong path for it so for most users it will ony show up if they switch from another theme to cabbiev2 or do a completely clean install without the font pack
18:54:42lorenzo92uhm altough I did scp -p -P 29418 yourusername@gerrit.rockbox.org:hooks/commit-msg .git/hooks/ in my git path, I don't see any ID in the (first!) commit message uhm uhm
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18:54:50lorenzo92is that ok?
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19:04:44Tornelorenzo92: it should be there if the hook is installed properly
19:04:47Torneis the hook executable?
19:04:55lorenzo92yes there is
19:05:00lorenzo92but it's the first commit
19:05:22Tornenot sure what you mean, first commit
19:05:42lorenzo92i.e. I fetched some days ago a new copy of the repo
19:06:22lorenzo92clean repo in other words :)
19:06:42Tornethe contents of the repo have nothing to do with it
19:06:50Torneonly whether the hook is in the right place and executable :)
19:07:12lorenzo92uhm I'll check for the +x
19:07:50lorenzo92yes it is executable :(
19:11:22lorenzo92don't know
19:11:25lorenzo92some hints?
19:14:13Tornethere isn't anything else. if the file exists and is executable it's called after you write the commit message.
19:14:30Torneif that didn't happen then the only reason i know is that you didn't have the hook in place when you committed.
19:15:05lorenzo92ahhh okay, it's not shown in the first commit :)
19:15:11lorenzo92good to know hehe
19:15:18Tornewhat?
19:15:27Tornei don't understand what you are talking about when you say "first commit"
19:15:38Torneevery commit you make with the hook in place gets a Change-Id
19:16:02Tornethere's no such thing as a first commit :)
19:16:19Tornethe repo is full of commits already
19:16:34lorenzo92first commit: a commit after doing some modifications for the first time, i.e. after redownloading the entire rockbox repository
19:16:50Tornethen yes, that gets a change-id
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19:16:51lorenzo92first *local* commit :)
19:16:53Torneevery commit gets a change id
19:17:00Torneunless the hook isn't installed.
19:17:09Tornei have no idea where you got 18:15 < lorenzo92> ahhh okay, it's not shown in the first commit :)
19:18:36lorenzo92it worked correctly ...
19:19:26Tornewhat did?
19:20:24lorenzo92Torne: the commit-id *doesn't* show up the first time you type git commit on your local copy...no problems then
19:20:36TorneYES IT DOES
19:20:37lorenzo92I tought the hook wasn't working, but in fact it is
19:20:41TorneEVERY commit gets the commit-id
19:20:48Tornehow much clearer can i say this
19:21:22lorenzo92Torne: ahh! now I got it, sorry for the misunderstanding, it is not shown in the editor at the time when I insert the commit message
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19:21:39lorenzo92but anyways it worked fine, patch on gerrit ;)
19:21:46lorenzo92sorry for the misunderstood!
19:21:52Tornethe commit-msg hook runs *after* you write your message
19:21:57Torneyour message is part of its input
19:22:28Torneotherwise it couldn't know what to make the commit message :)
19:25:03lorenzo92indeed ;)
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20:09:58pamauryJdGordon: are you familiar with the keymap/input/action system ?
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20:26:06Raptorspamaury, I noticed on android there are software that read the gesture that the user provides and maps them to something
20:26:12Raptorshow hard would that be to program?
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20:36:39pamauryRaptors: I don't know. I'm working on making the simulator aware of the touchpad so it can be more easily programmed. I'm also working on exporting the touchpad via USB HID
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20:37:18Raptorsright now the touchpad controls the mouse O_o
20:37:22Raptorswhen plugged in
20:37:35RaptorsI found that so odd
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20:39:18pamauryit depends on the HID mode but yeah, that's odd
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22:31:46n1sSpotted a weird glitch playing back a 21hour flac file today, after 4 hours or so the wps reset the elapsed time display to 0. The file kept playing correctly, resume and bookmarks worked fine but ffwd/rew would work from the displayed time
22:32:13n1sAnyone seen anything like that?
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