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#rockbox log for 2012-10-28

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17:53:34denebulawhat's the difference between shelf and peak filter in rockbox eq?
17:56:47denebulashelf filter means the band that is in the beggining or end?
17:57:58denebulacan someone tell me how to install .patch to rockbox? I want to install 10 band eq
17:58:34gevaertshttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches
17:59:01denebulaty
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18:05:14lebelliumno one had the occasion to dig into the RDS issues?
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18:23:20denebulato apply the patch I have to set up development enviroment? I want to do that in windows. Do I use: Set up a Cygwin development environment OR set up a Interix development environment ?
18:24:33Torneneither.
18:24:35Torneuse a linux VM image
18:24:51Tornecygwin has way more weird brokennesses associated with it and is much slower
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18:25:23denebulavirtual machine? is that less complicated and faster than directly from windows?
18:25:29Torneyes
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18:35:20AlexPYou can't do it directly from Windows
18:38:51denebulawhy not? it says so on rockbox site
18:39:04denebulawith cygwin I can do it from Windows
18:39:30AlexPOh, well if you include that
18:39:39AlexPBut it is slow and crap
18:39:42AlexPUse a VM :)
18:39:52denebulaI am not familiar with linux
18:40:02AlexPGood time to start
18:40:11denebulagonna try this first :)
18:40:22AlexPgood luck, but don't ask us for help with it
18:40:29the-kyleWelcome to Linux. Welcome to the future. <smiles>
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18:43:09denebulaI have to select bin and src to download and install in cygwin? <smiles>
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19:01:38bluebrotheryou don't want to use Cygwin.
19:02:06bluebrotherwe really should officially deprecate Cygwin. Nobody is maintaining it these days.
19:02:25AlexPbluebrother: I'm for that
19:03:29bluebrotherhmm. Should I change the wiki or email the dev ml first? ;-)
19:03:43AlexPI don't think you would get many disagreements
19:03:52AlexPBut that might be famous last words :)
19:04:29bluebrotherthe wiki is really a mess :(
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21:07:42pjs1875hi guys i need abit of information on the ansa view port
21:08:27pjs1875is sansa view still in development or is it dead?
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21:12:05pjs187515anyone?
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21:29:24AlexPnot that I'm aware of
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21:33:26r-a-yHi, one of my older Rockbox themes was uploaded by another user for posterity and I'd like to update it. Is it just a matter of resubmitting the theme and it will replace the existing version?
21:34:57AlexPNo, you need to use the email address used to upload it
21:35:14AlexPOtherwise people could overwrite each others maliciously :)
21:36:01AlexPAn admin could remove the existing one, but we'd need to make sure that both sides were happy/that it was legit etc.
21:36:10r-a-yWhat if the theme is mine to begin with? It was one of the bundled themes back in 2005 for iRiver.
21:36:23AlexPYeah, I just mean we'd need to check
21:36:26AlexPWhich was it?
21:36:30r-a-yiAmp
21:36:38AlexPah right
21:37:20AlexPYeah, Stehpen Carrol helped us out by getting the themes added to the site when we decided to stop bundling them
21:37:58AlexPIt shouldn't be a problem anyway
21:38:00AlexPOne mo
21:40:51AlexPr-a-y: Probably the easiest way to do it is if you upload the new one under a new name, we'll have a quick look just to double check, then rename it for you
21:41:55r-a-yThanks for looking into this, AlexP. I'll probably do that. One other question, the iRiver remote uses the same dimensions as the Sansa Clip. Would I have to submit the theme twice?
21:42:39AlexPi think so, if you want to ake it available for the clip
21:42:53r-a-yOkay thanks!
21:43:04AlexPThemes are automatically shared between targets with the same resolution, but I don't think it takes the remote into account for that
21:43:43r-a-yGotcha.
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23:39:36pixelmayeah, I wanted that remote themes could be 'normal' themes for targets with the same display size and vice versa (e.g. also for the Iaudio remotes and the M3). I remember discussing it briefly with one of the Dominiks at some DevCon - one problem seen was that it probably means that the theme site would need to repackage things. So my first-step idea was to give a hint to the creators the their theme could also be a remote target theme if they
23:39:36pixelmauploaded it in the other section in a different format if needed (.rwps or .wps etc.)
23:40:55[Saint]that would help my cabbie shake-up quite a bit, methinks.
23:43:25pixelmano-one got around doing the necessary code changes (guess I couldn't) and the idea got lost again
23:44:21amayerI'm working on the theme site. I don't fully uderstand what your talking about but I kind of get it.
23:45:38amayerI don't own any devices that have a remote display. what I think your saying is that themes can be set for the remote independetly from the main theme.
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23:50:07lebellium_the resolution may be the same but the screen may be different though. I firstly made the theme for the H320 remote and when I wanted to adapt it to the Sansa Clip, I noticed the bicolor OLED is annoying.
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23:52:33pixelmafor one yes. The main thing is though that for the two main remote screen sizes (128x64 monochrome and 128x96 greyscale) we also have targets that have these as main screens (e.g. the Clips for the first). Remote themes have .rwps or .rsbs filetype instead of .wps etc. so themes uploaded as one can't simply be downloaded for the other
23:54:10[Saint]to make things even sillier, the .rwps files are essentially identical to the same sized .wps files ;)
23:54:20pixelmacurrently they are also only included in a theme for the main screen target, so e.g. for the H100 even though the same rwps could be used on an H300
23:54:21[Saint]Making it almost 100% pointless reproduction.
23:56:45amayerso what would a solution be?
23:56:46pixelmaI give lebellium that the Clip is a bit differnt there because of the gap and the "inverted" light on dark
23:57:31[Saint]amayer: you tell us! ;)
23:57:45[Saint]...you're the big fancy-pants themesite dude now ;)
23:58:29pixelmaanother not very deep thought yet idea was to have separate remote screen sections... not sure
23:58:40lebelliumfrom Clip to H100/H300 there is no issue. But from H100/H300 (well only a very few themes for these targets support RDS) to Clip most likely the text will be over orange and blue colors at the same time and will look ugly
23:58:52lebelliumsupport remote*

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