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#rockbox log for 2012-11-23

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00:11:19lasserthe question for me is: should I try it with one card after the other until it works?
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02:06:41*scorche` starts looking into upgrading the forums...
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02:16:46JdGordon\o/
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02:25:41scorche`shutting down for a moment - need to properly clone the server
02:27:16scorche`actually, i might be down for an hour-ish
02:27:21SuperBrainAK:P
02:27:43scorche`depends if i want to risk data corruption ont he clone...
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03:08:39scorche`bahhhhh - cloning is taking longer than i thought...i should have just tested on production and restored from backup if things got screwed up...
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04:02:17jnc[Saint], build env is up and compiling rockbox dev works from git; bissecting the fuze USB issue now
04:02:38jncmay ask for help about specific code in some time
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04:11:57jncconfused about rockbox git and releases
04:12:21jncI want to bissect against a given point release, do point releases correspond with the git repository?
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04:48:09jncanyhow I found a good and bad git commit, so while curious to know about git and point releases, I am now not requiring that information to proceed
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04:53:53orly_owlAny supported players with 160GB capacity?
04:56:04jncThe merge base 48b1a2d39d1678c0dfa7b2271c29c52b6c8169d0 is bad.
04:56:23jncThis means the bug has been fixed between 48b1a2d39d1678c0dfa7b2271c29c52b6c8169d0 and [ef3ec72bfbbb5fa98ed07cdb6666a546b7fd3be0].
04:56:44jncorly_owl: some Apple products if you mod the drives
04:57:13jncin theory, any 32gb player with sd slot and add 128gb card ;)
04:58:09jncorly_owl: what 160GB capacity players are there, with or without rockbox?
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04:58:33orly_owlyeah apple i guess
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05:06:30Topic"Rockbox 3.12 released | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | Yes, forums, themes, and translate are currently down - currently investigating upgrade" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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06:27:20jncBisecting: 118 revisions left to test after this (roughly 7 steps)
06:27:28jncoof that looks more promising
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07:59:37dizzylizzyholy whaaat
07:59:42dizzylizzyI can record FM radio on my player in rockbox
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08:02:55jncdepends on the hardware
08:03:00jncis a known feature though
08:03:13Viper1987Hey, i'm brand new to rockbox... I installed it on my clip zip and notice a few features don't work as expected... is there any development being done for the clip zip or has it pretty much come to a hault?
08:03:18jncbug 12184 updated
08:03:22Viper1987halt**
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08:03:43jncViper1987: I don't know who is developing the clip
08:04:03jncI run Sansa Fuze V1 and it sees updates sometimes
08:04:32jncViper1987: what features are you seeing trouble with and how?
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08:05:37Viper1987Just the back feature doesn't work when navigating menus sometimes... I have to push the power button... then when i do that, it pauses the music
08:05:44Viper1987Not sure if this is user error nor not
08:05:52Viper1987or*
08:06:06jnccan't say I know enough to make a helpful suggestion there
08:06:19jncstable release?
08:06:19Viper1987Anything else i could tell you?
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08:07:17Viper1987Also, rockbox is awesome! Just wanted to let all the devs know they're doing a great job... I thought my lack of bass and richness was due to some headphones i just bought and nope, it was the default firmware... rockbox alleviated every sound quality issue i was having
08:07:43jncnice to hear that
08:08:07jncI'm just another user, though I am doing some work with narrowing down a code change that broke USB for my player
08:08:55Viper1987That sucks... i hate running through code with a fine comb
08:09:45Mode"#rockbox +o scorche`" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
08:10:39Viper1987Have a good night, I'm going to continue to play with this and see what i can do... thanks for your help!
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08:11:00scorche`hem - i am giving up for tonight...any reason why the forums need to be up for the next 24 hours?
08:11:20scorche`i am tempted to leave them down just so i dont have to reconcile the two databases...
08:13:16jncthink I made a fool of myself again on flyspray
08:13:50jncthough I secretly suspect a toolchain issue
08:15:32dizzylizzyinteresting that there's an mp3 encoder but not a vorbis encoder
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08:24:28scorche`i am sure most of you are somewhere in the process of either waking up or going to bed, so I will be back in about 8 hours ish...worst-case, I can bring the forums up then
08:24:42pixelmascorche`: if you leave the forums down, maybe leave a message here in the topic
08:24:57pixelmahr
08:25:09*pixelma should've read more firs
08:25:10pixelmat
08:25:13jnclike the ... ah
08:25:36Topic"Rockbox 3.12 released | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | Forums are down for a bit - currently investigating upgrading them and scorche is lazy." by scorche` (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
08:25:46scorche`pixelma: there is a message on the forums too
08:26:16pixelmaoh well... :\
08:26:25pixelmahave a nice rest though :)
08:26:33scorche`but yeah - it will be at least 18 hours or so before i can work on the forums again though - work and such
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08:51:11jncwhat the piss
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08:51:56jncanyone at the console here who knows rockbox code? I found a gitbisect of something that broke Fuze v1 USB function but it is unrelated to Fuze itself
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08:52:28jncI can do the busy work of git bisect, but understanding the code is kind of beyond me here
08:52:54jnccommit 9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 positively broke USB function for Sansa Fuze v1
08:53:35jncI was able to reverse the commit on top of git master, well the same code and as best I can tell just moved files, anyways when reverted now USB works for Fuze v1
08:59:38jncanyways please give this some attention, I attached a patch to revert the old commit, but a better answer is only going to happen with experienced rockbox developer
08:59:43jnchttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12184 and thanks!
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09:02:14funmanjnc: it could be memory corruption
09:02:45jncfunman: am I chasing an invisible problem?
09:03:15funmanno idea if it's invisible
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09:05:57jncit's 100% of the time to trigger, without the revert is a fail, with the revert it works
09:06:08jnccould still be that memory corruption you say
09:06:38jncor... the revert was about bin vs elf
09:06:50jncsomething is rotten elsewhere?
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09:09:08wodzjnc: this can't be offending commit as it touches external tools not the firmware
09:10:41jncwodz: weird, but true
09:10:50wodz9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 is about elftosb utility which is used for imx233 only
09:11:03jncI'm thinking toolchain bug!
09:11:07jncI don't know.
09:11:10wodzunlikely
09:11:59wodzmy bet is that you are doing something fundamentally bad when bisecting
09:12:09wodz*you do
09:12:15jncthat's really possible
09:13:32jnchow many trials should I run to be sure, of transferring data to trigger USB errors? I will do that now
09:14:49wodzbisecting is basically git bisect start, git bisect bad, git bisect good <some hash>, then You do make clean && make && make zip, unpack whole new package on target, do the test and finally mark the point in bisecting with git bisect good or git bisect bad
09:14:58jncah, yes
09:15:46jncI did 'make clean ; make reconf ; make && make zip' ; also used Sandisk firmware to format and transfer of unzipping rockbox.zip
09:16:17jncso it is possible that my device is randomly crashing
09:17:11jncI have seen consistency though, like Release 3.8 will always work, and Release 3.12 will always fail
09:17:12wodzanyway you can start from scratch to confirm but 9cc0dab3ced1f0c9205f6cba4933096eca915157 definitely can't affect firmware
09:17:28jncare you very sure? because it appears that it does.
09:17:34wodz10000%
09:17:55jncreverting it in git master today, makes my firmware transfer no problems
09:18:05jncincredible as that sounds
09:18:51wodzlook, read the commit itself - it is about utils/sbtools/elftosb.c - this file is NOT compiled into firmware
09:19:22jncyes I understand that, and it is confusing to me ... so how do we rule out a toolchain problem?
09:19:24wodzIt should be easy - build firmware with and without this commit and compare
09:19:38wodzdisassembling
09:19:46jncah ok
09:20:03jncI have built A and B to compare
09:21:20funmanarm-elf-eabi-objdump -d rockbox.elf > asm1.S
09:21:50jncthanks funman will review in 1 minute
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09:28:45jncfunman: no differences :)
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09:31:55jnchow else could I verify if USB works or not on a given build, it seems like this might be corruption hidden for another reason
09:32:40funmanplug/unplug 10 times
09:35:16jncfunman: plug/unplug is the only action? should I try to mount a filesystem or is plug/unplug enough
09:39:30funmanwell yeah just try if it works, transfer files etc
09:39:43jncok
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09:44:46jncthough maybe the elftosb code somehow effects a blob that effects memory on the player and masks an overflow problem
09:45:07lorenzo92how can I fetch a particular revision (0c4bd3a) with git?
09:45:26jnclorenzo92: git checkout 0c4bd3a
09:45:36lorenzo92ah okay simply as that thanks :D
09:45:42jncif you're looking to get back to mainline, then it is gitcheckout master
09:46:09jncadd -f to force if it complains
09:47:13funmanjnc: no it doesn't affect
09:47:28funmanelftosb only runs on PC
09:47:32funmanit's not even built for fuze
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09:47:48funmantry a rm elftosb.c between each bisect round
09:48:13jnccopy
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09:51:11lorenzo92I'm searching for sigmatel linux bsp. I've sent an email to "Marc" and he replied me with a torrent but it is dead. he told me he would have checked that, in the meanwhile, has anyone these packages?
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09:53:26funmani'd guess if someone has them it's pamaury :)
09:57:37lorenzo92okay then, let me know that I can upload them somewhere :)
09:57:47dokanHello
09:58:18dokanI am a blind person in Japan.
09:59:59dokanI have tried to build RockBox for Android using the code from git repository with voice enabled.
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10:01:19lorenzo92jnc: now I want to patch this revision with a patch on gerrit, do I need to do a checkout, cherry pick or what?
10:01:48jnclorenzo92: I think the wiki covers how to do that much
10:01:53lorenzo92okay
10:02:13jnchttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit
10:02:24dokanIt seemed to be success because app can display the open menu(File, Setting etc).
10:03:08dokanBut no voice is outputed.
10:03:24funmandokan: you should ask kugel (about android) or bluebrother (about voice)
10:04:40dokanIn Android, is voice output supported?
10:06:04dokanfunman: OK and thank you for your suggestion.
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10:19:57kugelno, voice is not (yet) support. main reason is that there's no way to install voice files independantly of language files
10:20:06jncfunman: confirmed that I'm chasing a ghost here, appreciate your help to bring sanity to the picture :)
10:20:35funmankugel: isn't there a script to generate voices?
10:20:41kugelyes
10:21:32kugellang files are installed to the app private memory, but the user can install voice files only to the sdcard
10:21:55kugelrockbox doesnt handle this (voice and lang need to be in the same folder)
10:23:43funmanit should be easy to tweak build system to add voice files in the apk no ?
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10:24:54dokanOh
10:25:43kugelfunman: possibly, someone needs to do it though
10:26:10lorenzo92pamaury: then I ask you when you're back to check if you have the sigmatel linux bsp :)
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10:28:05dokanWhen building with voice enable option, a set of voice is generated under the langs folder. Is this not enough for voicing system message?
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10:31:59dokanBy the way, under the Android platform I think it may be better to use the Android's SpeechAPI for voicing.
10:32:11pamaurylorenzo92: no I don't have the sigmatel linux bsp. I only have the linux port for the stmp37xx. Why ?
10:37:12lorenzo92pamaury: well I will receive a YP-Z5 and so I wanted (don't have plans right now) to start working a little on it. One thing is clear: it has a display issue, hope it's only SW problem has it happens for this model :)
10:37:21lorenzo92it has stmp3650
10:39:36pamauryhum, stmp3650 is still a different device, it's not completely different from stmp3700 though but it's not clear if you can reuse some code. The datasheet is available but I don't know any linux port for it
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10:41:09lorenzo92indeed there was an official port to it by sigmatel. website is down and no links anywhere, I only found Marc that has the packages, hope I can get them :)
10:42:26pamauryok, looking at the datasheet once again I think it's possible to make the stmp36xx a subtarget of the imx233 port. Many function blocks are the same with small variations or less functionalities.
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10:42:36lorenzo92good :)
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10:44:12pamauryI have no idea about the firmware file format ? is it the same sb format used in the imx233 ?
10:44:41pamaurythe datasheet suggests so
10:44:53lorenzo92I still have no idea atm, I will did into that, but yes there are .sb files!
10:45:01lorenzo92also the stmp35xx had them
10:45:04lorenzo92100% sure
10:45:17lorenzo92*dig
10:45:36wodzpamaury: did you have time to look at rk27xx usb?
10:46:34pamauryI reverse engineered a little bit of it but right now I have no time to work on anything, I'm very busy with some work
10:47:26pamaurylorenzo92: iirc, the stmp35xx uses a completely different format and it's not even arm based
10:47:54wodz35xx is dsp based no?
10:48:05pamauryyes
10:48:09wodz:-)
10:48:16lorenzo92uhm okay
10:48:23lorenzo92http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31221
10:48:27lorenzo92we have an update
10:48:31pamauryimpossible to program, nearly no compiler support, 24-bit word size :-o
10:49:22lorenzo92pamaury: yeah the updater has inside .sb files :)
10:50:08funmanforums are down ?
10:50:17funmanok just read the topic
10:54:16wodzpamaury: about nwz connector - you may look if sata plug will work
10:54:47pamaurywow, you think sata is compatible ? I'll try to find a sata cable to see
10:55:23pamaurylorenzo92: just tried quickly and sbtoelf doesn't like the header of the sb files for stmp36xx, i'll need to investigate this when i'll have time
10:55:29wodzpamaury: I am not 100% sure but it may
10:56:40lorenzo92pamaury: could be there some keys to protect bootloader? hope not...
10:57:29pamauryno it's a different issue: some field encoding the header size doesn't have the expected value. It could mean the format is slightly different and/or that my tool should handle non-standard values
10:57:52lorenzo92ok
10:58:15lorenzo92if i'm correct imx233 = stmp37xx right?
10:58:26wodzstmp3780
10:59:16pamaurystricly speaking imx233=stmp3780 but as rockbox is concerned, we will make the imx233 port more general because the differents aren't that big
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11:00:11lorenzo92that makes me happy since I'm still a young computer scientist with lots of ideas but I never programmed on such a low level :D
11:00:30wodztime to start :-) its fun
11:00:59lorenzo92yeah hihi it was really nice also working on my YP-R0 on the linux side, now time to go deeper haha
11:02:54lorenzo92pamaury: in the meantime I will decode the .dat OF update file
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11:07:35lorenzo92pamaury: I should receive the device withtin next days, middle of the next week..
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11:22:26ssbensshappy thanksgiving all
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11:33:50lorenzo92some hints about a possible "encryption" scheme? I think I will also have a look at the software updater to see that :)
11:33:59lorenzo92*for the .dat firmware update
11:35:27kugellorenzo92: are you done with the ypr0? :(
11:36:24lorenzo92kugel: nono :)
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11:39:03dizzylizzyI wonder how feasible it would be to implement a vorbis encoder
11:39:12dizzylizzyfor recording
11:39:24*dizzylizzy examines
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11:43:06pamaurylorenzo92: given the file sizes I would say there are two useful files there: updater.sb which is run in recovery mode to upgrade and perhaps the dat file which contains the firmware upgrade itself but it might be decrypted only the device and sent as is by the updater
11:46:44lorenzo92yes I think that too
11:49:33dizzylizzyi must have something to do with floating point
11:49:35dizzylizzyit*
11:55:41wodzis tremor only for decoding?
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11:58:29wodzdizzylizzy: seems like there is no fixed point encoder for vorbis, this would be huge task then
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12:09:12pamaurylorenzo92: having a look at the sb file, it doesn't seem to have much in common with the stmp37xx ones. We clearly need the tool used to produce it and reverse engineer it. The BSP would be useful for this
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12:19:50ssbenssi would like to install rockbox on my eclipse t180sl and dont even know where i would start. all i can say is that i hate their stock Operating System
12:22:21ssbenssmy fist question is ho possible that might be
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12:23:08gevaertsssbenss: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort to get an idea about what's involved
12:23:22ssbenssokk thanks
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12:31:11pamauryomg, I still have this stuff after so many years
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13:30:43lorenzo92pamaury: I'm back here
13:30:54lorenzo92something interesting then?
13:31:25lorenzo92I have also a crappy old 256 mib player with stmp35xx :D
13:34:36pamauryI've had a quick look at the sb file. the format of the header is rather obvious. However the content seems encrypted or scrambled. I'll try a few things on it but without the BSP it will hard or impossible
13:37:36soapscorche`, you mentioned that you had a backup. To prevent issues reconciling couldn't you just open the forums read-only while investigating upgrade options?
13:39:58lorenzo92pamaury: in the meantime I've sent samsung a request of sources for the Z5 in the opensource website, I doubt they will consider my request but who knows :)
13:40:31pamauryis it linux based ? is there any reason for them to accept ?
13:41:06lorenzo92this is the point, I don't know if it's linux based at all hum hum dunno
13:41:33lorenzo92and well they released the device drivers for R0 (modules) ...
13:41:41lorenzo92after my request :)
13:47:08pamaurylorenzo92: I'm not a 100% sure but given the datasheet, the stmp3600 doesn't have any crypto hardware so the bootloader probably doesn't implement a complicated encryption scheme. On the stmp35xx it was a simple shift to scramble so here it might be sometimes like a xor but I doubt it's aes or someting similar
13:54:32lorenzo92yes xor was in my mind also
13:56:29pamauryi'm thinking about a 32-bit xor with a table, something like: data[i] ^= xor_table[i % m] but that's just a guess, i'm giving it a small try before going back to work
13:57:54pamauryThe datasheet suggest there are commands: load a binary blob, load from peripheral, branch. It's not clear if these are encrypted or not
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15:45:46redsteakrawmkamsboot seems to be giving problems it spits out
15:45:47redsteakrawmkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ��: not found
15:45:48redsteakrawmkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: cannot create p7@@8@??�
15:45:50redsteakraw ��: Invalid argument
15:45:51redsteakrawmkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ELF: not found
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15:45:54redsteakraw�: Invalid argumentboot: cannot create
15:45:56redsteakraw: not found2: mkamsboot: �m�UPX!�
15:45:57redsteakrawmkamsboot: 5: mkamsboot: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
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16:14:53redsteakraw any thoughts on why mkamsboot isn't working?
16:16:42gevaertsHow are you running it?
16:19:21gevaertsAnd what OS are you running?
16:30:35redsteakrawI fixed it I had to use a different version I tried both the 32bit and 64bit versions for linux
16:30:38scorche`soap: how do you suggest i open them read-only? I can't think of a good way to do that and still make the error messages tell the user what is going on - unless i actually find and edit the "dont have permissions" error message
16:30:48redsteakrawthe base one linked to is completly broken
16:31:43redsteakrawone question I have a doom wad file where should I put it?
16:32:15redsteakrawhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot/
16:32:28redsteakrawthat is the one that is broken
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16:32:50AlexPscorche`: Have you hit problems, or is it just that these things take time?
16:33:02AlexPAnd I wouldn't bother with read only personally :)
16:33:10redsteakrawand I ended up using http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot-1.6/linux-x86-64/
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16:33:45scorche`AlexP: hit problems (of course)
16:33:55scorche`i can go into more detail once I am actually at work ;)
16:34:01AlexPsure :)
16:35:47soapscorche`, I'm not familiar with the forum software - ie will setting the DB read-only make every action error out. The message that nobody has write abilities temporary could be put in the same flashing banner space as all that other messages (like the "thanks for donations" and "sorry about the spam".
16:36:04scorche`people actually read that stuff?
16:36:28scorche`and yeah - many DB errors is generally not very user-friendly
16:37:53soapthen allow full writing to the temp. clone but change the background to a disclaimer statement. Hard to miss that.
16:38:33soapMy concern, and maybe it's not a shared concern (as in maybe soap is overly worried) is that the forum downtime presents an image problem.
16:41:16scorche`my concern is that an image problem is made worse by DB or permission errors without a proper notice on that message - OR making them writable and blowing away the last day or so of posts is a worse image problem than putting the forums in maintenance mode with a nice message
16:41:20*scorche` heads to work
16:42:06soapA days worth of messages on a non-holiday weekend = a dozen at most?
16:42:31soapwould a manual merge be possible on such a volume?
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16:47:38redsteakrawOne thing I wish rockbox could do is have a podcast section and be able to add all recently downloaded podcasts to a playlist.
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16:52:29soapor, here's a different idea - not sure it is better - but how about instead of the forums page landing you on a message which verbally redirects the user to the IRC channel "on the left" how about having the forums URL redirect to a (new) wiki page explaining the down time and providing instructions and links to the user's mailing list and IRC webclient?
16:56:19gevaertsredsteakraw: both http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot/linux-x86-64/mkamsboot and http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/mkamsboot-1.6/linux-x86-64/mkamsboot work for me
16:59:50redsteakrawgvaerts I used the 1.6 version and got it working thanks
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17:00:36redsteakrawThe manual should point to the 1.6 version or copy the 1.6 version to the main mkamsboot folder.
17:00:51gevaertsWhy?
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17:02:49gevaertsI mean, we probably should make a new mkamsboot release one of these days, but as far as I can see both the mkamsboot-1.6/ and mkamsboot/ files work
17:06:32scorche|shsoap: sounds like a lot of work for not much gain, to be honest - i would rather spend time trying to get the forums to upgrade
17:06:54redsteakrawthey don't mkamsboot/ is broken for linux anyway
17:07:07redsteakrawboth the 32 and 64
17:07:39redsteakraw1.6 works for linux fine
17:07:51gevaertsThen why do they work for me?
17:07:51redsteakrawI just tested it so I know
17:08:10gevaertsSo have I
17:08:46redsteakrawI have an amd C-60 processor
17:10:12redsteakrawSo it works for some but not all
17:11:34redsteakrawamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ��: not found
17:11:35redsteakrawmkamsboot: 1: mkamsboot: ELF: not found
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17:12:05redsteakraw: not found2: mkamsboot: �m�UPX!�
17:12:07redsteakrawmkamsboot: 5: mkamsboot: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
17:12:08redsteakrawthat is what the default mkamsboot spits out.
17:12:10redsteakraw1.6 worked as normal
17:12:12gevaertshttp://pastie.org/5423687
17:15:05AlexPredsteakraw: please use a pastebin
17:23:01linuxstbredsteakraw: How are you actually running it? i.e. what are you typing?
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20:45:18phiiiHey everybody. I can't solve the following self-caused problem: I wanted to install Rockbox via MacOsX installer, it went fine but I noticed that the mount directory of the player (Sansa Clip Zip) was not correct. In fact it was set to / (root) of the computer. The installer ran and said everything went fine, I found a clpza.bin file in my root dir (which probably should be on the player), but the Sansa player now shows a green freeze screen and doesn't mount
20:45:21redsteakrawlinuxstb ./mkamsboot clpza.bin bootloader-clipzip.sansa patched.bin
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20:46:09AlexPphiii: Try holding the power button for 30 seconds or more
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20:46:45phiiiAlexP: It turns off, after turning it on it freezes in the green screen again
20:47:16AlexPphiii: Don't know I'm afraid, if you installed the patched firmware to / then Rockbox isn't installed at this point
20:47:53phiiiAlexP: Yes, that's what I think as well. Do you happen to know if the Rockbox installer deletes previous firmware before copying the Rockbox one?
20:48:13AlexPNo, it doesn't work like that
20:48:40AlexPWe patch the firmware and put it on disk, then the next time you boot the player the Sansa firmware notices the file and uses it to update the firmware
20:49:20phiiiOkay, so since no Rockbox firmware was copied there should be actually nothing changed on the Sansa player?
20:49:40AlexPYes
20:49:47AlexPWell, that's the bootloader
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20:50:28AlexPIf you also installed Rockbox then Rockbox Utility will have copied Rockbox to the Sansa, but that is just files on disk and won't do anything without our bootloader being installed
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20:52:16AlexPNothing should have changed with the Sansa firmware certainly
20:52:26phiiiI see. The main problem now is that I'm unable to mount fix the player anymore. This should on first sight have nothing to do with the rockboxing I tried. Thanks for your help, AlexP.
20:52:41AlexPNo problem, although it is a bit weird
20:53:05phiiiThe .bin file in my root directory basically proves that I have chosen the wrong installation path, right?
20:54:01phiiiwhich proves that there should be nothing changed on the player.
20:54:31AlexPIt's hard for me to say for sure :)
20:55:25phiii:) I'll regard is as a Sansa problem now.
20:55:33phiii*it
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22:19:17BelzebubHi
22:20:30BelzebubI've got iPod 5,5G. When I play *.flac vinylrip iPod laging for a while, how to repeair this?
22:22:36wodzWhat you mean? You experience delay to start playback or playback is choppy?
22:24:33BelzebubYa, playback is choppy
22:24:39SuperBrainAKhigh processor usage? i know under the codec page it says some codecs requre more processor
22:24:51wodzflack is not cpu intensive
22:24:59wodz*flac
22:25:04SuperBrainAKk
22:25:09gevaertsWhat sort of sample rate are you using
22:25:25gevaertsAlso, what sample size?
22:26:57Belzebub-rw-r−−r−− 1 satan satan 177010636 11-23 02:33 05. Gunslinger.flac
22:27:25BelzebubAUDIO: 192000 Hz, 2 ch, s32le, 5537.4 kbit/45.06% (ratio: 692177->1536000)
22:27:36Belzebubthis is a example file
22:27:58wodz192kHz sampling rate is the key here I guess
22:28:03gevaertsRight. That being problematic doesn't surprise me too much
22:28:38wodzoh and s32le sampling format although this should have smaller impact
22:29:34wodzBelzebub: Basically nothing can be done about this other then encode the file with more sane parameters
22:31:18Belzebubwodz: If I change hdd to ssd, problem probably fixed?
22:31:32gevaertsNo
22:31:58linuxstbBelzebub: Rockbox will (poorly) resample to 44.1KHz during playback, so you may as well resample yourself.
22:32:41gevaertsMy bet is that you're asking too much from the CPU.
22:33:03wodzgevaerts: or disk rather
22:33:15*gevaerts doesn't think so
22:33:34*wodz seeks for data
22:34:34gevaertsAccording to CodecPerformanceComparison, we're at about 600% realtime on ipod video for 44.1kHz 16 bit flac
22:35:09wodzgevaerts: yeah I confused kbit vs kbytes - disk should be fast enough
22:36:02gevaertsGoing to 192kHz means four and a half times more samples to decode, which will I suspect scale linearly, so you have 137%, before even adding the 32 bit samples
22:36:18redsteakrawAnyone else exited about the new opus codec?
22:37:06gevaertsI have *no* idea how much that adds, but it won't be zero, and you need some CPU for non-decoding stuff too
22:37:39wodzand resampling, no?
22:37:47gevaertsTrue
22:38:36AlexPredsteakraw: Not really :)
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22:42:46redsteakrawWhy not it is only the best lossy codec with low latency and is an IETF standard so it will be showing up in web browsers(already in firefox) and it is open source / non patent encumbered. AlexP
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22:43:20AlexPBecause bugger all else will support it, and mp3 in higher bitrates (disk space is cheap) is just fine
22:43:45AlexPCar stereos for one example
22:45:17redsteakrawCar systems are implementing more and more comunication devices into them and as such will lead to opus support, anyways I just fill up my music player with a playlist and podcast and go on the road with my sansa Clip Zip
22:46:08AlexPI'd rather just use something that is fine and is supported by everything everywhere
22:46:19redsteakrawI can't relly on car steros to have any smarts to me they are dumb boxes that should just except a line in for my actual device.
22:47:09redsteakrawWell when every browser can open it, and most media players there really isn't going to be a problem opening or playing it.
22:47:20AlexPhaha
22:47:33wodzsure just like with .ogg :-)
22:47:54AlexPexactly
22:48:05redsteakrawmicrosoft through skype took part in the making of it.
22:48:06 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups)
22:48:11AlexPand?
22:48:33redsteakrawXiph and Broadcom
22:48:41wodzand and?
22:48:53AlexPYeah, I meant and so what
22:48:56AlexPNot who else
22:49:06redsteakrawI think Mozilla funded some development
22:49:55AlexPI don't care who funded it, and if people want to use it then great. I'm just not excited about yet another poorly supported codec, even if it's design is superior
22:50:11AlexPIf I'm wrong and it becomes widely used then great
22:50:15AlexPI just don't expect it
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22:51:32redsteakrawthe Web RTC standard is the most likely avenue most software will pick it up
22:51:51AlexPI'm believe that once I see it
22:51:54AlexP*I'll
22:54:02redsteakrawRight now firefox and vlc support it, Gstreamer I think supports it as well. It is going to be the default codec in both Skype and Mumble.(no suprise there)
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22:55:57redsteakrawhttp://www.ghacks.net/2012/09/12/opus-free-audio-codec-now-standardized/
22:56:45AlexPMany codecs are standardised, many codecs are supported by vlc, many codecs are used by practically nobody
22:57:01AlexPThis isn't really a topic for here by the way, more for #rockbox-community
22:57:07wodzredsteakraw: the real breakthrough will be ability to purchase music in this format which is unlikely
22:57:57wodzanyway we have opus support, probably as the first in portable music player segment so whats the fuss?
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22:58:07redsteakrawI personally just buy music in FLAC
22:58:18alcorHi everybody !
22:58:18AlexPyeah, I'm glad we have it, I'm not having a go at opus
22:59:14redsteakrawit is just an opusenc away, I recoment 64kbs to 90 for decent quality
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22:59:45alcorquestion .... some files on database ... its like doesnt work fine ... how can I remove thouse ..
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23:00:09AlexPI don't understand "its like doesnt work fine"
23:00:35AlexPIf you want to exclude certain directories from the database you can put a database.ignore file in it
23:00:37copperone problem with Opus is that it resamples 44.1kHz audio to 48kHz, which has to be resampled back to 44.1 by Rockbox
23:00:38alcorstart playing and sudenly ... skip to next song ...
23:01:35AlexPI think we have a UI way of selecting what is scanned to the db now too, although I don't know if it is fine grained enough for indiviual songs or just directoires
23:01:45AlexPcopper: Yeah, and our resampler is not great
23:03:00alcorhave a lot of files on DB that fail .. like start playing and then skip
23:03:12AlexPThat isn't db related
23:03:28AlexPAn example of a problem track would be useful
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23:03:47alcoryou mean the format ??
23:03:56AlexPno, an actual track
23:04:13copperan actual file
23:04:14redsteakrawI have to thank the guys that ported doom to rockbox it runs great on my clipzip
23:04:55AlexPalcor: You could try encoding some random noise the same way as you encoded the problem track, if it also skips let us have the track
23:05:39copperdevelopers should benefit from a fair use clause in copyright law
23:05:58alcorOk .. now I get you .. the files were in the Ipod classic before I install rockbox .. I didnt copy them ..
23:06:03copperI mean it would be nice if they did
23:06:05AlexPcopper: It's so bloody complicated depnding on where you live tec.
23:06:27alcori Live in Argentiona :D
23:06:32alcor*Argentina
23:10:14copperalcor: did you use the Rockbox installer when you installed Rockbox?
23:13:35alcorsure ... do I reinstall??
23:13:54copperok then you don't have an iPod Classic
23:14:04coppermaybe an iPod Video
23:15:30alcormine is and old one 30G ..
23:15:45alcorall black
23:16:08copperhow did those files get there?
23:16:18copperdid you transfer them to the iPod via iTunes?
23:19:28alcormmm think so .. the ipod was of a friend ... :$ I know ... this issues with this descriptions ... you want to answer .. Hey dude .. how do you want me to help yyou ?? hhahahaa
23:21:13coppertry to find the path and filename of a file that gets skipped and upload it somewhere
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23:22:07alcorok .. checking
23:23:30copperlong press "select"
23:23:39copper"show track info"
23:23:54copperand way to the bottom of the list, "path"
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23:28:50copperthen connect your iPod to your computer, copy that file from your iPod to your computer, then upload that file to dropbox or whatever
23:29:54alcorsure ... of course .. looking for a file that fails ... and cant find it now !!! :P
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23:50:08alcorgot it .. but cant copy
23:53:13copperalcor: why not?
23:55:16alcorI think that the internal disk of the ipod is dying
23:55:58coppermaybe the filesystem is corrupted
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23:56:58alcorHow I run a check ?
23:58:57copperUse your OS' filesystem checker on it, like with any hard drive, I guess
23:58:59alcorwhen I connect to win 7 ... it asks me to check the FS ...

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