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#rockbox log for 2012-11-24

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00:03:50AlexPthis will be why you are having problems
00:04:41alcorwindows doesnt find any error
00:06:55alcorand cant copy the file to my pc
00:07:07alcorI think rockbox hates me
00:07:19SuperBrainAKlol :D
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00:09:31marazno, it just hates the ipod.
00:09:49alcorahh there is it ...
00:09:57AlexPI bet it isn't Rockbox, boot the Apple software and try that
00:09:59alcorthats the reason
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00:12:24alcormmm same issue with apple software ... it is my device ... right ??
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00:14:34fbritodoes anyone know any tool for reading the TagcacheDB apart from the ones listed on the TagcacheDBFormat wiki page?
00:16:20fbritoI am considering writing my own ruby script to read the database and write the ratings directly on my local mp3 files, but I would like to know what is already available
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01:17:12redsteakrawI will never buy an apple product again, they are locked down POS that have the potential to be good but they perposly degrade it.
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02:10:21GigaG11hey I need some help with my Clip Zip
02:10:24GigaG11on Rockbox
02:16:30GigaG11anybody here
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02:22:45SuperBrainAKPlease read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines will help you get help :)
02:23:28SuperBrainAK#9
02:32:33GigaG11Can Rockbox on the Clip Zip simultaneously play the FM radio while doing something else such as a plugin? That is a feature I really want.
02:34:57saratogait can audio, i'm not sure about FM
02:35:01redsteakrawyes it can
02:35:26redsteakrawI just tested it out, listening to fm radio while playing pong
02:36:49redsteakrawsnake and FM radio works just fine also.
02:37:26redsteakrawGigaG11 which plugin where you having in mind?
02:38:09GigaG11I really do not care, I just want to know how to quit out of the FM radio in a way that it will continue playing. The resume playing button played some audio on the player.
02:38:20GigaG11instead of the radio
02:39:18saratogawow the FM buttons on the sansa players make no sense
02:40:19the-kyleWhile in the FM radio, the power button should exit out to the menu. From there, the radio will continue to play, unless you begin playing audio or recording from the microphone. In either of those cases, it will switch.
02:40:51redsteakrawYou press the power button
02:40:54GigaG11Thank you!
02:40:56the-kyleThis is my experience on a Clip+, and doesn't necesarily work on other players.
02:41:02GigaG11It works
02:41:13GigaG11Can you give a basic list of button commands for Rockbox?
02:41:17GigaG11for the Clip Zip
02:41:37redsteakrawhome + select = screen lock
02:42:06saratogawhat do people think about FS #12616 ?
02:42:07fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12616 3Clip+ Radio Keymap More Consistent (patches, unconfirmed)
02:42:24redsteakrawhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipzip/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-400004.1.1
02:42:54GigaG11I apologize, but what buttons are "home" and "select"
02:43:48redsteakrawthe button with the over arrow in the upper left right above the back button
02:44:03redsteakrawselect is the button in the center
02:44:51redsteakrawI hope that helps
02:45:50GigaG11I can't lock the screen using the back arrow button in the upper left along with the center. How do I do that?
02:46:24redsteakrawpress at the same time
02:47:30redsteakrawI think it only works while playing off the device and not in the radio mode
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02:48:02redsteakrawGigaG11 did you just get it today?
02:49:47saratogai think i'll update that patch and see if anyone minds redoing the fm radio keymap
02:49:51saratogaits so bad now i can't imagine they do
02:50:55GigaG11redsteakraw - Yes, I got it at 6AM for Black Friday
02:51:23GigaG11Nice little device, even with an "unstable" port
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03:02:57redsteakrawLet me guess radioshack
03:03:40redsteakrawI got it also to replace my Clip+ and so I can play doom
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03:05:14redsteakrawGigaG11 If there is an FYE by you they are selling some good Sennheiser CX150 earbuds for $19.99
03:06:48saratogaok updated that flyspray task with the new keymap and manual
03:06:54saratogaif anyone dislikes it, please speak up
03:08:43redsteakrawwhat did you change?
03:09:47redsteakrawsaratoge a link would be nice, to see and a record would be logged in the chan for future reference
03:15:14saratogai linked it above
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03:34:43[Saint][11:01:37] <AlexP> I think we have a UI way of selecting what is scanned to the db now too, although I don't know if it is fine grained enough for indiviual songs or just directoires <−−- just directories, it is essentially just a UI to manage to placement/removal of .ignore/.unignore files.
03:49:52GigaG11qwer123
03:50:04GigaG11nvm
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03:50:37[Saint]quick, quick! kick him and steal his account! :P
03:50:51[Saint]wooo! don't even need to kick him! :)
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04:53:10Tobias2362345523Hey, just installed rockbox on my sansa clip+, now when I plug it in to my computer I get "device driver software was not sucessfully installed" and it won't show up as a drive
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04:58:50saratogai think it does that the first time you plug it into a windows machine
04:58:54saratogadue to some bug
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05:00:32DoormatI have to replace my Clip Zip (it didn't handle falling off the bike at 100 kph) and I want something with bigger buttons and it MUST run rockbox. Was thinking about an ipod classic but I'm not sure if rockbox runs on them?
05:00:59saratogait does, see the front page
05:01:35DoormatI see the front page - but wasn't sure if 1g through 5.5g covered the classics you can buy now
05:02:09saratoga"Apple iPod Classic"
05:02:41DoormatAh - down under unusable ports. SOrry - I didn't see that.
05:05:05the-kyleCorrect me if I'm wrong, but does the Clip+ not have slightly larger buttons than the Clip Zip, but at the expense of a smaller screen? Also, the clip_ doesn't have a color screen; it's just some kind of blue or something I think.
05:05:18the-kyles/Clip_/Clip+/
05:05:22Tobias2362345523Tge clip+ appears frozen, all it shows on screen is a picture of a USB cord as well as the usual stuff at the top. Clock hasn't changed at all. Every time I reconnect it, I just get the device not recognized again
05:05:45saratogareboot it
05:05:51the-kyleOh sorry, I read you broke a Clip Zip.
05:06:15Tobias2362345523oh hey, that worked, turns out I just had to hold the button down a lot longer then I expected
05:06:18saratogathe-kyle: i don't know about the size exactly (sim can probably show you), but yes the zip is the only one with a color screen
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05:07:09Doormatlol - trashed it pretty well ... it was brilliant while it lasted - sounded great. But trying to use the buttons with bike gloves on was a pain
05:08:07the-kyleSo I'm thinking it comes down to a trade-off between button size and screen readability. Either way, I'm not sure I'd trade an unstable port for an unusable port.
05:08:25DoormatI don't think the clip+ is that much larger. I thought the ipod, but don't much fancy partial battery recharge ... and trying to see what that actually means
05:09:23DoormatI couldn't care less about dual booting though - I wouldn't install itunes if apple paid me, so that's not a problem
05:10:10the-kyleThe body of the Clip+ is actually slightly smaller than the Clip Zip from what I read, but I also read that the buttons are smaller to accomodate the larger screen. I could be way off base though, since I am only *considering* a Clip Zip as my next purchase some time down the line, and have only read reviews so far.
05:11:37the-kyleAs for the iPod, I'm a bit concerned about the partial charge, but maybe someone here who writes code for that port could shed some light on what works and what doesn't.
05:12:35the-kyleDisclaimer: Also, I'm not a developer, only a happy user trying to help.
05:14:12DoormatI can't recommend the Zip highly enough - I'd buy another today except for the button issue. Mind you - the standard software on it is complete crap, but with rockbox it was brilliant
05:15:49the-kyleThe Zip is very likely to be my next Rockbox player, although I do my best to take good care of my Clip+. I definitely like the prices, the Zip and + are very close.
05:16:19DoormatPerhaps I need to think in a different direction: Can anyone recommend a player which is currently available, is stable with rockbox, and has large(largeish) buttons?
05:17:27the-kyleClip+ and Clip Zip appear to be the most widely available. Clip+ is considered stable, whereas Clip Zip is considered unstable, but as far as I know, that's just because of issues with the manual.
05:17:34saratogai think the Clips and iPods are the only players you can still buy new
05:17:57the-kyleOh yes, and the iPods.
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05:18:31the-kyleI wasn't thinking of those, because the new iPod Classic is listed as unusable.
05:18:50saratogai mean the classic, the other ipods haven't been made in a very long time
05:20:21the-kyleThe Clip line is the only players I'm aware of that can be purchased new and also have Rockbox ports that are either stable or unstable.
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05:21:55Doormat /sigh Yeah - that's about what I'd found. I really wanted to avoid apple but it seems the only viable option in the size stakes
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05:23:10the-kyleIf purchasing an iPod, hopefully you can still find one that has a stable or unstable port. Unusable is quite a bit harder to install, and at least some important functions haven't yet been implemented.
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05:31:19DoormatI might be better off going with another zip ... thanks guys.
05:32:55saratogawhat was missing on the classic charging, just detection of AC adapters?
05:35:41Doormatit doesn't actually say what's missing. In the table it says 'battery charging' partial - but the actual page for the port doesn't mention power at all
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05:40:12saratogacharging is implemented, otherwise you wouldn't be able to use the port
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09:09:53lorenzo92pamaury: I'm uploading STMP stuff :)
09:10:20lorenzo9236xx is very rich, linux code (already compiled to test, okay), some device drivers and bootloader!!
09:10:38lorenzo9234xx/35xx there are some interesting things for some players too
09:12:01lorenzo92atm I'm comparing 2 .dat files of 2 versions and indeed there is an header and a part that doesn't change, need to find its size and the compare to the header
09:12:29lorenzo92I think the method is pretty much the same as for R0: lots of parts inside a .rom file, parts encrypted with XOR
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09:49:31lorenzo92pamaury: here it is (the first part) https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5q5dg16kl93pre/linuxbsp-stmp36xx-kernel-20060601-375.tar.gz
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10:04:57lorenzo92link updated in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SigmaTelSTMP3xxx
10:05:08lorenzo92but please upload also somewhere else :)
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10:14:16lorenzo92pamaury: since the big package is really big - i will need to do the job @ university I think - , here the bootloader packages (most interesting ones I guess :)) https://www.dropbox.com/s/ha4wshmlj3xaa5p/stmp36xx-linux-tarballs.tar.gz
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11:18:56lorenzo92omg I've just seen a crappy phone with some enhanced RDS features -> AF & TA :D
11:19:34lorenzo92is just matter of writing some code for RDS i think or?
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11:33:24pamaurylorenzo92: I've got the packages, I'll have a look at it
11:35:25lorenzo92yes ;) in the meantime I was trying to decode the OF firmware update...but I think it will be easier when I get the device (is it possible to dump the firmware with firmwareExtractor tool, you think?)
11:38:44pamaurywhat is firmwareExtractor ?
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11:42:02pamaurylorenzo92: is the elftosb tool in this package ?
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11:42:49lorenzo92uhm don't know, need to search for
11:45:15pamauryomg, I don't know who got this package but it contains an impressive number of stuff
11:48:09lorenzo92:D
11:48:33lorenzo92moreover the package would be 500 mb
11:48:43lorenzo92with also other stuff like cramfs builder
11:48:47lorenzo92and other cpu's
11:50:32lorenzo92pamaury: I can see elftousb in a script, but don't find the executable uhm
11:53:39lorenzo92http://handheld.freeforums.org/sigmatel-sdk-t258-10.html maybe some info in there
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12:33:07pamaurylorenzo92: I found the stmp36xx sdk, which contains elftosb
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12:33:17lorenzo92good :D
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12:34:31pamauryhttp://en.pudn.com/downloads99/sourcecode/multimedia/streaming/detail403423_en.html
12:34:55pamauryif you have a pudn account you can download it, otherwise I can send it to you
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12:53:45pamaurylorenzo92: did you see my private message ?
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13:05:01lorenzo92pamaury: sorry I was away, now i give a look
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15:46:30magpiemorning all...i updated RB on sansa c250 v1 using RB utility and now stuck on scanning disk for hours...
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16:05:10bluebrotherI'm planning to get Rockbox Utiltiy 1.3.1 done this weekend. Anything I should look into first?
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16:34:33Led_Zeppelinhi anyone here own a portable amp?
16:34:48Led_ZeppelinI was wondering if I should put the volume higher on my DAP or my amp?
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16:50:36pamauryLed_Zeppelin: I'm not an expert but I woudl say on the amp because the point of having an exeternal amplifier is that it better amplifies
16:51:39Led_Zeppelinhmm, i read the opposite. I should do a line out (ie. 100% on the DAP) and use the amp to control the volume
16:54:01AlexPline out isn't the same as full volume on a headphones output
16:54:37Led_Zeppelinah
16:54:56Led_Zeppelinhttp://www.head-fi.org/t/455290/best-dap-and-amp-volume-combination
16:55:07Led_Zeppelin"DAP line-out (aka 100%) then adjust volume on the amplifier."
16:55:45AlexPa line out and a headphones output have different impedance for a start
16:58:45Led_Zeppelinon a separate topic. When using Sansa Clip+ with flac the battery goes out much faster. What does RB do special to conserve the battery?
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17:00:39AlexPon the assumption that sana have the hardware docs and therefore know how to turn off unused hardware at least as well as we do, Rockbox has put a massive amount of time and effort into optimising the codecs
17:01:18Led_Zeppelinmakes sense. It isn't affecting the flac feed though right? like downsampling it ?
17:03:09AlexPflac feed through?
17:03:13Led_Zeppelinyes
17:03:24AlexPI don't know what you mean by that
17:03:47Led_Zeppelinis the flac being compressed on the fly and giving a lower bit rate to conserve power?
17:03:57Led_Zeppelinbut I guess the compression/decompression would take up a lot more juice
17:03:59Led_Zeppelin:p
17:05:39AlexPno, it is being decompressed...
17:05:39AlexPthat's how it is played
17:05:52Led_Zeppelinnice
17:05:55Led_Zeppelinlove RB
17:06:05AlexPthat is how codecs work
17:07:02copperLed_Zeppelin: yes, DAP at 0dB and use the amp to control volume
17:07:26Led_Zeppelin0dB means highest possible, right?
17:07:33coppernot necessarily
17:07:37Led_Zeppelinheh
17:07:39copperin Rockbox, the max is +6 dB
17:07:51Led_Zeppelinoh in RB i set it to 0db ?
17:07:57copperon the Clip+ and iPod Classic anyway
17:08:07copperLed_Zeppelin: yes
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17:08:38AlexPcopper: yeah, not on all targets :)
17:08:56copperright
17:09:56copper"When using Sansa Clip+ with flac the battery goes out much faster." <−− with Rockbox, or the original firmware?
17:10:30copperwith the OF, that's a known issue, but with rockbox, you should get MORE battery life with FLAC, not less
17:11:20AlexPYeah, I think that's what he meant
17:11:34Led_Zeppelinok, set mine to 0Db
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17:35:53Mircopper: i get less with flac and a TF card
17:36:23copperwith Rockbox?
17:36:28Miryes
17:36:40copperand a microsdhc card?
17:36:47Miryup
17:37:00copperthat's strange
17:37:07copperdid you run a battery benchmark?
17:37:09Mirinideed
17:37:26copperwhat was the other codec and what were the results?
17:37:43Miri only play flac
17:37:51copperuh
17:38:01copperthen how can you tell you get less battery life
17:38:03copperless than what
17:38:05Mirbut compaired to playing flac on the onboard memory i get much less
17:38:27copperah
17:38:32coppernothing to do with FLAC then
17:38:57copperhow much time did you get on both?
17:39:29Mirand going through ablums ... compaired to the OF i go through 4 playthroughs of Dreaming Neon Black less on rockbox using a TF card than with the OF
17:39:42Mirbut
17:40:00Mirits no big dea copper as my E260 gets 27 hours of battery life
17:40:08Mirbenchmarked btw ;)
17:40:39copperthat's yet something else
17:41:08copperfirst you talk about flac, then you talk about differences between internal flash and external flash, then you talk about the OF
17:42:14copperyou're all over the place
17:42:22Mirmeh never mind .. i was thinking of getting rid of the clip+
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18:51:42aradHi I am a n00b and I have a problem with my Fuze. Can someone please help me?
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19:05:33aradnobody here who can tell me how to manually remove rockbox from a sansa fuze v1 (since the forum is down) and the rockboxutility is not doing the job?
19:06:19gevaertsReinstall the original firmware
19:07:56gevaertsi.e. put the file on the player, and then boot the original firmware, which will then install it
19:17:16aradThanks gev but where do I put the original firmware? I don't have access to the root directory it appears. (I am unable to boot to the original Sansa firmware which is why I am trying to do this.)
19:17:49aradI have put the latest fuzea.bin in the lowest dir I can see from my computer but that does not seem to help
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19:18:19gevaertsIf you can't boot the OF, something else is going on
19:18:34gevaertsYou *have* to boot that to reinstall it
19:19:31araddarn! I was having some weird problems with the wheel and I thought if I boot to the original firmware I can fix it but I guess I can't do it...
19:19:54aradso it is basically bricked then?
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19:20:28gevaertsWhat happens if you try to boot the OF?
19:21:32aradthe wheel is functioning in a weird way so I can't press the left arrow to boot. Is there another way to boot to the of?
19:22:01gevaertsNone that I can think of. Sounds like you have hardware issues then...
19:23:06aradyeah that's what I was afraid of. I really like the player but they don't sell it anymore :(
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19:24:01aradnothing else comes close to the price/quality ratio and I won't buy anything that won't run rockbox
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19:26:11SuperBrainAKarad, i totaly agree :)
19:28:54aradgotta run for lunch. if anyone has a solution or has an alternate way of booting the machine, please leave a note here. bbl
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19:47:46b0hooni would like to commit g#287. Is anybody against it?
19:47:48fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #287 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/287 : Another optimization for the OF in the mi4 format. by Szymon Dziok (changes/87/287/1)
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20:04:30SuperBrainAKwhats g#287? you guys are just as bad as the prop people :)
20:04:31fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #287 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/287 : Another optimization for the OF in the mi4 format. by Szymon Dziok (changes/87/287/1)
20:05:33SuperBrainAKtanks
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21:36:41wodzhow is lcd_blit_yuv() function used exactly? rk27xx lcdif can be configured to accept yuv input data but I don't know it this will fit usage in rockbox
21:37:00pamauryb0hoon: I don't know this code very well but the change looks fine, although you should probably poke someone who has a device to test and possibly knows the bootloader of the pp
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21:37:35pamaurywodz: lcd_blit_yuv blits directly to the screen iirc
21:37:46wodzpamaury: afaik b0hoon tested this change on his PP targets
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21:38:52wodzpamaury: the question is what does it mean 'blit' here? If this is interleaved with regular rgb updates then I don't know how to use hw converter.
21:39:31pamauryiirc there is a subtlety here: a call to lcd_blit_yuv implies a screen update, and you can even bypass the framebuffer if you want
21:39:33wodzpamaury: btw iriver e200 is also atj213x so the whole E series is built around the same hw/sw platform
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21:40:32pamauryso on imx233: lcd_blit_yuv = conversion + lcd_update_rect. And I should implement the conversion with the hardware colorspace converter when I have the motivation
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21:41:44wodzpamaury: hmm so equivalent of lcd_update_rect() but accepting input in yuv format should work right?
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21:42:43pamauryyes
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21:44:07wodzis it used by anything else then mpegplayer?
21:44:14pamaurynot that I know
21:44:54pamaurynote that you are *not* required to update the framebuffer. For example the as3525 lcd driver directly sends the yuv converted data to the lcd
21:45:43wodzthats what I want to do - lcd_update_rect() variant which will only update part of the screen
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21:47:34wodzpamaury: btw. have you observed charging curve on your rk27xx? The one on mine looks pretty strange
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21:50:37pamaurywodz: no, I'll do a battery bench if you want
21:50:44pamauryit's hardware based right ?
21:51:06wodzyes AFAIK
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21:51:29webguest49hi
21:52:05webguest49i have a sansa clip zip
21:52:21webguest49when i start
21:52:24webguest49RB
21:52:43webguest49it stucks on "scanning disk"
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21:52:59webguest49anyone can help please
21:53:01webguest49?
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21:54:00wodzpamaury: It looks like this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/p1060341e.jpg
21:54:34webguest49no
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21:54:44pamaurywodz: :-/ very strange indeed, how do you get the measurement ?
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21:55:11pamaurywebguest49: perhaps bertrik knows ? he has a clip zip
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21:57:07wodzpamaury: What you mean?
21:57:58pamauryperhaps the voltage measurement is wrong for some reason ? I see no reason for the voltage to drop like this
21:58:54pamaurysurely some people here know more about battery ? saratoga perhaps ?
21:59:29wodzI did my master thesis about lithium batteries :-)
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22:03:10pamauryso you should know :)
22:03:30pamaurywodz: what subject precisely ?
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22:04:14saratoga_no i just listen to wodz
22:04:44wodzCation transference numbers measurements in lithium polymer electrolytes
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22:07:24webguest49anyone can help please with my sansa zip stuck on "scanning disk" ?
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22:07:58webguest49i tryd to reinstall RB
22:08:03webguest49didnt help
22:08:07pamaurywodz: isn't there a voltage drop at the end of charging a li-ion battery ? if the battery is made of several parts, you can observe drops everytime on of them is fully charged ? just a theory, I know nothing of batteries
22:09:51wodzpamaury: there should be no voltage drop at the end of the charging, just the charging current approaches 0.
22:10:10wodzanyway batteries on our targets are single cell type
22:10:40saratoga_webguest49: check the disk for file system errors
22:11:02wodzmoreover this drops occurs during whole charge cycle starting from completely flat battery
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22:30:35bertrikperhaps the charging stops and restarts
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22:42:55wodzbertrik: at say 3.6V ?
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22:46:04GigaG11Is there a Rockbox - compatible player that contains an AM and FM radio?
22:47:06wodzGigaG11: no that I know of
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