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#rockbox log for 2012-11-25

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00:48:47saratogaMir: do you have the battery bench for 27 hours on the e200?
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00:55:39saratogaand no thoughts on the Clip radio keymap updates?
00:58:50Mirsaratoga: yes i do
00:59:01saratogapost it on the batterybench wiki page
00:59:20Mirwill try
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01:00:12saratogaand what format?
01:00:14saratogaflac?
01:00:56saratogai remember struggling to get teh e200 battery life above 15 hours
01:01:29MirFLAC off a microSDHC
01:02:27saratogayeah makes sense, the CPU will sleep most of the time and then never boost
01:02:55saratogai never got around to introducing a lower clock speed on the e200 for flac files
01:02:56Miroddly as i mentioned above its the opposite for the Clip+ for me
01:03:06Mirusing the same microSDHC and same tracks
01:03:17saratogasome SD cards impact battery life on the clip and some do not
01:03:20saratogai never figured out why
01:03:25Mirahh
01:03:58saratogai tested my 16GB one and battery life decreases by about 10 minutes
01:04:10saratogabut some people report decreases of several hours
01:04:21saratogaIIRC the OF does something similar so it might just be some weirdness in the hardware
01:09:44Mirmine was a bit more dramatic
01:09:52Mir4-5 hours shaved off
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01:44:03budRichhi everybody!
01:44:20SuperBrainAKhello
01:44:31budRichi'm tryin to install rockbox on my sansaclip+, but i can't get it to work.
01:45:08SuperBrainAKyou used the utility?
01:45:43budRichyep
01:46:02budRichusing rockbox utility i get asked to select a .bin file, only one i can find is called did.bin, and i get an error when choosing it
01:46:40budRichtried manual intall to, without success
01:48:15SuperBrainAKyou need to get the original firmware from sansa's site thats the .bin you need
01:49:28budRichhttp://imgur.com/4Uoe0
01:49:58budRichyes i tried with sansas fm (m300a.bin), doesnt work
01:50:08budRich*fw
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01:51:02SuperBrainAKget the of from sansa and use it
01:51:25saratoga__which player are you trying to install for? you said clip+ above but your picture says zip
01:51:41saratoga__and I think the m300 is a third player
01:51:50SuperBrainAKyes it is
01:52:05budRichok...
01:52:06saratoga__so basically, decide what player you have :)
01:52:15budRichi have a clip+
01:52:28saratoga__then you'll want to use rockbox for the clip+ and a firmware file for the clip+
01:52:28budRichdownload this fw: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Sansa-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-01-01-35-amp-02-01-35-Release/td-p/144965 ?
01:52:44SuperBrainAKthe clipp in parenthesis is still saying clip plus hence the 2p's
01:59:54saratoga__bluebrother: one nice rbutil feature would be to alert users if they've downloaded the wrong firmware version for their player
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02:00:09saratoga__i think we can do this since we have the checksums for all the firmwares in mkamsboot
02:00:16saratoga__no idea how hard that is to do though
02:00:50SuperBrainAKor have it download the OF initially
02:01:18SuperBrainAKsame way it does the rest of the stuff
02:01:22saratoga__thats hard to do though since they keep changing the links
02:01:33SuperBrainAKoh :P sansa
02:02:51saratoga__we could probably have the links pulled from a list on our website, but again, not simple
02:03:01saratoga__usually its not hard for users to click the link we give them and then download a file
02:03:10saratoga__but sometimes people don't pay attention and grab the wrong file
02:03:24saratoga__or forget what player they have, etc
02:04:37SuperBrainAKyea i dont get how careless people can sometimes be
02:05:00*SuperBrainAK fails at english
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10:40:57lebelliumhow to install the font pack for Android targets? The rockbox directory doesn't look like normal targets
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11:13:06lebelliumok I just had to put the font folder into the main rockbox directory
11:13:21lebelliumit seems we don't have suitable unicode font for Android?
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12:19:31Vabihi. Does anyone have a problem with sansa clip plus with 16gb microsd card? My player is always stopping to early playing flac files.
12:24:46copperVabi: no problem here with a Clip+ and a 32 GB microsdhc card
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12:34:53Vabiso it must be something with my files, some problem with decoding or something, thanks :D
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13:30:00SCUDyo
13:31:12SCUDhow long are the forums going to be shut down for?
13:37:40gevaertsWe can't give exactb times. People are working on it
13:48:41SCUDok, would it be alright to ask on here about a problem?
13:49:00gevaertsOf course
13:50:20SCUDok I got a sansa clip+ that had rockbox installed on it before, but I accidentally tried reformatting and lost it
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13:52:03SCUDI tried reinstalling rockbox and it still wouldn't boot (the bootloader worked, just rockbox didn't install) so I used the sansa official firmware updater and updated to the newest firmware and tried reinstalling the bootloader and rockbox and now I don't get anything but the official firmware booting up
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13:53:00Krill-hello
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13:54:29Krill-i just checked out rockbox on ipod nano 2g. seems like there is a bit of work to do, and i'd like to help out there if possible. is the nano 2g maintainer here, by any chance?
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13:59:18gevaertsKrill-: we don't have specific maintainers for ports, really
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14:00:17gevaertsSCUD: did the bootloader install properly (as in: does it try to boot rockbox?) How did you reformat it?
14:01:34SCUDIn it's current state no the bootloader didn't install properly, and I reformatted using the ofw method
14:01:41Krill-gevaerts: alright. is there a list somewhere on who's interested in which ports, so i could get a bit of introduction and avoid duplicate work?
14:02:47gevaertsKrill-: TheSeven probably knows most about the nano2g, but he hasn't had much time lately to work on it. I'd say your best bet is to wait for him to reply
14:03:05Krill-gevaerts: ok, thanks. browsing the website for a bit then :)
14:03:37TheSevenKrill-: I'm here
14:06:06gevaertsSCUD: I'm afraid I don't have much to suggest here. I'd recommend hanging around in case someone else knows more
14:06:39SCUDhm ok then
14:06:55*gevaerts doesn't know too much about the AMS sansas
14:07:22Krill-TheSeven: hi! i noticed two things: panic after connecting to usb, and a wrong pixel, which doesn't seem to be a hardware error, as it doesn't show in the original firmware, and changes colour when moving the menu bar over it.
14:07:51Krill-TheSeven: browsing the bug tracker atm to find anything about those issues
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14:08:33TheSevenKrill-: Oh no, not USB issues again... can you pastebin the exact panic message, along with the .elf file of the build that you're using?
14:08:41Krill-oh, and a general question: fonts seem to be entirely without AA, is this a fundamental design decision of rockbox?
14:09:09TheSevenKrill-: afaik rockbox supports AA fonts since some time, but most of the old fonts don't use it (yet)
14:09:14Krill-TheSeven: ah, i guess i'd need to retype the issue by hand, or is there a dump somewhere?
14:09:15gevaertsWe do support AA fonts, but I don't think we include any by default
14:09:31Krill-ah
14:09:32TheSevenKrill-: bad pixels sound like hardware problems... is the pixel flickering, and how exactly does it behave?
14:10:04TheSevenKrill-: you'll have to retype it, it can't dump it in that condition
14:10:09TheSevenwhat kind of panic is it?
14:10:09bluebrother^ok, any last concerns about Rockbox Utility 1.3.1? I'm going to push the release otherwise
14:10:18bluebrother^since it would be a good thing to get the latest fixes out
14:11:28Krill-TheSeven: it's stable and behaves pretty much deterministically, as in changing colour the same way with menu bar over it. if it's a hw error, the the original fw must have some workaround capabilities for that, as everything looks alright there
14:12:08TheSevenI've seen a lot of bad pixels on nanos which only appear on dark colors, and thus aren't visible in the original firmware because almost everything is white
14:12:26Krill-ah, that's a point
14:12:41TheSevenin most cases they're in fact bad GRAM memory cells that cause subpixels to light up that shouldn't
14:13:32TheSevenmy ipod has like 30 of those these days
14:13:56gevaertsbluebrother^: I can't think of anything
14:14:03TheSevensome of them are barely visible because the bad cells are low-order bits
14:14:20bertrikwow, wouldn't expect those to fail. Or are they run out of spec?
14:14:32Krill-seems a high-order bit on blue here, the pixel is pretty prominent
14:15:07TheSevenbertrik: well I don't think we're running anything out of spec, possibly a bit undervolted
14:15:24gevaertsKrill-: does the OF have an image viewer or something like that?
14:15:25TheSevenbut this is a defect in the LCD controller that started appearing on my ipod long before I got rockbox to work on it
14:15:26Krill-lemme try to get that panic again. atm it shows the usb plug, but the device won't mount on the host
14:15:36TheSevenfirst noticed them in apple's diagmode while I was still only running apple code
14:16:03Krill-gevaerts: yes, i'll try to force that wrong pixel in the OF
14:16:33TheSevenKrill-: try the LCD tests in diagmode, that shows various test patterns including a completely black screen
14:17:45Krill-now it hangs in usb mode, no matter if plugged in or not. controls (backlight) still respond
14:18:00TheSeventhat's a known issue with recent builds I think
14:18:06TheSevenbut nobody seems to have a clue what's going on
14:18:34Krill-ok. how about debug facilities? i guess there's no hw simulator or even emulator
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14:18:59Krill-or anything to step through code on the target device?
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14:23:28Krill-ok, weird pixel still there in diagnostics.
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14:28:33Krill-oh, about AA: even without AA fonts, it should be possible to apply that when scrolling back and forth song titles. any comments on that? might maybe not be a good idea power-wise, but i find nonsmooth scrolling pretty disturbing :)
14:29:23Krill-(it doesn't even seem to scroll pixel by pixel here)
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14:29:43TheSevenKrill-: no singlestepping possible
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14:29:52Krill-oh, why not?
14:29:55TheSevenyou'll have to do it by dumping debug data on the way and hoping to spot something
14:30:04TheSeventhere just is no working debug interface at all on the hardware
14:30:09Krill-ah, code
14:30:30Krill-yeah ok, would take a JTAG interface or similar. no idea how the insides of the thing look like
14:30:43nulldogmaslongtime Rockbox user, first-time Rockbox installer here with a question if anyone's game
14:30:59TheSevenKrill-: there is a jtag interface, but it is locked down by apple and blocks the system bus once it is engaged
14:31:52Krill-TheSeven: out of curiosity, what kind of reverse-engineering would unlocking JTAG require?
14:32:02nulldogmastrying to install it on an iRiver H320, followed all the instructions - including installing non-US firmware first - and Rockbox Utility said all went well
14:32:21nulldogmasyet it still insists on booting into the old firmware
14:32:38bluebrother^nulldogmas: have you performed the firmware upgrade in the Iriver firmware?
14:33:03TheSevenif it is at all possible, there are two possible approaches: fuzzing (would probably take ages and would only work if the implementation of the protection is really crappy), or physically dissecting the chip
14:33:06nulldogmasas in, have I selected "upgrade firmware" on the iRiver itself and run that? yes
14:33:11TheSevennone of which is worth the effort
14:33:32bluebrother^try it again. There have been reports in the past of the h300 sometimes needing that upgrade procedure done twice
14:33:49nulldogmasdo I need to remove the bootloader and reinstall that?
14:33:58bluebrother^no
14:34:23bluebrother^Rockbox Utility creates a firmware file that includes the bootloader, and that is what you're flashing with the firmware upgrade
14:34:26Krill-TheSeven: ok, so by dumping debug messages on the way, with cpu registers and all, one would then use the data and check the binary on assembly level?
14:34:44nulldogmasI have tried upgrading it multiple times
14:34:47bluebrother^since creating that file would mean creating the same thing again there is no need to do so :)
14:34:47nulldogmasbut let me try again
14:34:59TheSevenKrill-: this looks like a higher level problem
14:35:01bluebrother^hmm. If you already tried multiple times it starts getting strange
14:35:22TheSevenif the backlight is still responsive the kernel is still alive, just the UI thread is locked up (probably in an infinite loop)
14:35:33nulldogmasanything I can do to diagnose why it's not working, at least?
14:37:11Krill-TheSeven: yeah, just asking generally, as i'm thinking about investing some time into these things. but general debugging is basically putting new image on device, reset, and see what happens? sounds like rather long debug cycles
14:38:06bluebrother^nothing I'm aware of. You could try checking the disk for errors, maybe there is a problem and the Iriver firmware rejecting the patched hex file due to that
14:38:22n1snulldogmas: you upgraded to international firmware and then used rbutil to "install" a bootloader and then upgraded on the iriver again?
14:38:53nulldogmasn1s: correct
14:39:26bertrikSCUD, I know a bit about the sansa clip+
14:39:36nulldogmasI just tried using rbutil again to reinstall the firmware
14:39:44bertrikI hardly use rockboxutility to install rockbox though
14:40:25nulldogmaswhich it said it did fine, but now when I go to Upgrade Firmware on the iRiver, it does nothing
14:40:30TheSevenKrill-: basically yes
14:40:34nulldogmasacts as if there's nothing to upgrade
14:40:41TheSevenbut I'm quite used to that
14:40:54n1snulldogmas: is there a h300.hex (?) in the root of the player
14:41:43nulldogmasn1s: nope
14:41:43Krill-TheSeven: ok. i've had worse with FPGAs, so not all that bad.
14:42:30bluebrother^hmm. That sounds like you configured the wrong mountpoint / drive letter in Rockbox Utility, and the file ended up n the wrong location
14:42:37nulldogmasaha
14:42:49nulldogmaslet me try it again, then
14:43:10bluebrother^Rockbox Utility can't detect the mountpoint of the h100 / h300 players.
14:43:26Krill-TheSeven: http://pastebin.com/DgijMkCY - is that enough info? Also, shall i file a bug for that?
14:43:35bluebrother^since they only appear as removable drive, and there are no special files that would hint it being the correct one
14:44:56nulldogmasaha
14:45:36nulldogmasit detected that an h320 was attached, so I thought it knew where it was as well
14:45:53nulldogmasupgrade in progress now, will report in a sec if it worked
14:46:18nulldogmasbingo!
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14:46:29nulldogmasthanks, folks, you are lifesavers
14:46:40bluebrother^the detection code needs to get reworked since quite a while. I started looking into it a bit ago but haven't found the time to finish it.
14:47:17nulldogmasI asked about this on taperssection as well - I'll go post a reply there to myself so at least people can know to check for this issue
14:48:20nulldogmasthanks again!
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14:48:55bluebrother^you're welcome ... well, too late :)
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15:01:15TheSevenKrill-: aha, a stack overflow...
15:01:26TheSevenwhat the hell is "07c0"?
15:01:32TheSevenmemory corruption?
15:01:38TheSevenwouldn't be the first time...
15:01:52TheSevenpc and sp values look somewhat sane
15:06:42Krill-ah, so Stkov means stack overflow. wondered about that when browsing the source first the first time the other day
15:06:56Krill-no idea about 07c0 though
15:08:01Krill-are there stack guards in debug mode? just wondering
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15:14:15gevaertsKrill-: all stacks have markers at the end that are always checked on context switch
15:15:56Krill-ok. nano 2g stack size seems to be 16K now, quite a lot. is it known which routine peaks so 16K are required?
15:17:04gevaertsAre you sure it's the main stack that overflows?
15:17:55Krill-no :) i fear atm i know too little of rockbox's architecture to ask sane low-level questions like this
15:17:56gevaertsThe biggest user used to be FAT + storage, but FAT got fixed, so I'm not sure now
15:23:16Krill-ok. most of my stack overflows were caused by endless loops with subroutine calls, i guess this can't be ruled out here, can it?
15:23:50gevaertsIt's likely going to be either the main stack or the USB stack.
15:23:52Krill-i mean, subroutines calling themselves endlessly or similar
15:24:18gevaertsThere shouldn't be any recursion in the code involved here
15:24:45Krill-so increasing stack size once again might fix it?
15:25:00gevaertsIt's at least an easy thing to try
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15:25:20gevaertsLook for "static long usb_stack[(DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE)/sizeof(long)];" in usb.c (line 72 if I count right)
15:25:26Krill-ok, will keep that in mind. don't think i'll set up the build env today, though
15:25:39Krill-thanks
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15:26:27gevaertsThe main stack is declared in the app.lds file for your target I think
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16:01:23wodzIncreasing stack size on n2g doesn't solve usb problem. I tested this some time a go.
16:02:01wodzwell it fixes stkov but thats all
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16:10:59Krill-seems like there isn't just one problem with USB then
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16:50:29wodzKrill-: USB on n2g was broken by some general usb rework. My guess is that the order of some calls changed but reading commit diff doesn't bring anything obvious.
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16:53:47Krill-wodz: maybe a dormant bug that had always been there but only now been triggered by that rework
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16:54:59wodzCould be as well. The main problem with n2g issue is that a few changes happened nearly at the same time. This makes sorting problems really hard.
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17:00:15Krill-and there is currently no way to dump more data than visible on screen when panicking, as TheSeven implied?
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17:01:09wodzKrill-: sorry, don't understand
17:01:53n1saren't debug prints logged?
17:02:31wodzn1s: you mean saratoga's disklog framework?
17:02:35Krill-wodz: i find stack backtraces pretty helpful, but even the panic message must be copied by retyping atm. so i assumed there is no means to do an actual coredump or similar
17:02:58TheSevenKrill-: well that stack overflow is one thing, and seems to be simply caused by a stack that's too small
17:03:09TheSevenbut once that's fixed it still won't work
17:03:14wodzKrill-: on n2g there is post mortem stub but as it uses USB you know...
17:03:20TheSeventhere is a bug in the USB implementation itself that just manifests as not mounting
17:03:27TheSevendebugging that is fairly tricky
17:03:35Krill-TheSeven: ah, so it just "doesn't work" but won't crash hard etc., i see
17:03:47TheSevenexactly
17:04:02TheSevenin fact I have a post mortem memory dumper for the nano2g, but it is broken as well
17:04:06Krill-but i guess with a system that's running one could dump extensive debug info to flash or so
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17:04:28TheSevenapparently the USB trouble screws up the USB core in a way that makes the postmortem dumper fail to properly reinitialize it
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17:11:06Krill-just a question, why can't usb and normal operation run at the same time? does usb eat up all resources or need super-exact timing?
17:11:18Krill-that already bothered me with the OF
17:16:21wodzKrill-: Its the problem of exclusive access to the storage
17:16:24bertrikUSB MSC mode needs raw access to the storage medium, so we have to unmount the filesystem, and without the filesystem we can't do much
17:17:35Krill-could concurrent access in theory (and probably with significant effort) be implemented? or is there some fundamental problem with that with regard to the hardware?
17:19:00Krill-i mean, the player portion doesn't write, and as long as no data it needs to access is overwritten on the fly...
17:21:41gevaertsNot on FAT. There are some specialised filesystems around that can do that, but then there goes compatibility...
17:22:08Krill-ok
17:22:29gevaertsEither that or give up on direct access and use MTP or similar
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17:23:30wodzwhich means fund pamaury free week or so without access to imx233 target :-)
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17:30:24Krill-about the choppy title scrolling on nn2g, any special reason for that? like 2 fps or so due to power consumption constraints?
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17:33:47sartogacould also ask funman about the nano 2g
17:34:16sartogai gave him mine a while ago andbi think he looked a bit
17:36:07wodzafaik he tried 'old' driver implanted in currentish version and the usb doesn't work as well.
17:37:22sartogawhat was the actual problem ? that the sansa and 2g used the same driver but kept breaking each other ?
17:45:52wodzMy understanding of the problem is as follows: funman started merging both drivers which produced a bunch of broken build (forgotten stuff, wrong bitfields etc.). In the meantime there was commit with general usb core rework. After that funman reached the point where the driver somewhat worked on amsv2 but it remained broken on n2g
17:46:45wodzs/broken build/broken builds/
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17:53:05wodzI know he tested old n2g driver on currentish version and it doesn't work. I don't know if he tried new driver with usb core rework reverted
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19:24:32pamaurywodz: is this about implementing mtp ? I will ! One day !
19:26:26pamaurylorenzo92: I have more or less reverse engineered eltosb
19:27:22lorenzo92pamaury: good nice news :D
19:27:24pamauryI just need to implement the encryption routine and understand what is the corresponding decryption one. Appart from this the format is pretty similar to the others: a list of commands with data
19:27:41pamauryit is indeed a xor based one but it's not a simple table
19:27:46lorenzo92ok
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19:28:15Mirwhat is the benifit of MTP verses MSC
19:28:35lorenzo92pamaury: so for example we will have the possibility to send a bootloader (a piece of code) to the devices's ram and test it on the fly rright?
19:29:39pamauryyes but to do that we need a) to be able to produce a sb file (using either my code or the elftosb.exe) and b) figure out of the usb protocol, probably by spying the updater or reverse engineering it
19:29:56pamauryif you feel like doing b), go ahead (when you have your player)
19:30:10lorenzo92indeed, do you think it's similar to sbloader?
19:30:40pamauryit's probably similar but probably a bit different too, perhaps the format can even be found in the stmp36xx sdk, we never know
19:30:58lorenzo92yes in this period time is limited but I'm really curious on working on this stuff :)
19:32:09*pamaury is thinking about buying a cheap stmp36xx device to help
19:32:54lorenzo92pamaury: :D well I found this player for 5 euros hihi
19:33:35lorenzo92pamaury: hope it's working since it has a software issue, hope it's not HW related...
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19:44:48Krill-what's the most powerful player around in terms of processing power?
19:45:34lorenzo92single core I think IMX37 (which runs rockbox in a linux environment) am I wrong?
19:45:51lorenzo92*Samsung YP-R0
19:46:21Bagderunless you cound android devices with rockbox as an app...
19:46:24Bagdercount
19:46:41Krill-no, not really :)
19:47:05Krill-single-core, ok... and overall, as in all cores + dsp + whatnot?
19:47:05copperiPod Touch?
19:47:30Krill-ok, hmm, ipod touch, yeah... but that's basically a phone minus phoning capabilties
19:48:21pamaurydon't some ipod avec dual arm (arm9+arm7)
19:48:27pamaury*have
19:48:29pamaury?
19:49:24copperwhat's a "player" though
19:49:47MirKrill-: i think you can make your own DAP with Arundo
19:50:18Mirand because the Arundo parts work with the Odroid-X that could most likely be the most powerful one
19:50:24Mirtechnicly
19:50:28Mir<.<;
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19:50:45Krill-copper: good question :) i guess anything that only does this (more or less), so something like ipod nano et al.
19:50:53copperwell
19:51:05Miroh good morning/evening copper o/
19:51:06copperI was told that the iPod Classic was more like an iPod Touch than a DAP
19:52:00copperalso, both DAPs and phones/touches come with ARM processors now
19:52:22copperso there's no real difference except processing power, which is precisely what you're asking about
19:52:38Krill-yes :) arms come in zillions of flavours
19:52:59copperthen, is your question, what's the most powerful ARM processor available in a DAP?
19:53:19pamaurysome have arm11
19:53:38Krill-according to your info it seems to boil down to this. are DSPs integrated in some arms? or are those arms so powerful yet powersaving that they don't need DSPs?
19:54:48pamauryrecent arms have dsp extensions but some players have both a arm core and dsp which has nothing do to with an arm
19:55:08coppermost powerful is probably Apple's dual core A5 inside the latest iPod Touch
19:55:25copperif you discount phones
19:55:47copperI mean, the iTouch is marketted as a DAP
19:56:13Krill-yeah, pretty much. although in my world, ipod touchs are out in another ballpark, too
19:56:43Krill-but ok, it's all quite fuzzy nowadays
19:57:17Krill-and in the long term, only the small players, probably displayless, might survive. what with everybody and their dogs using their phones as DAPs now
19:57:36Krill-the small players for exercising, that is
19:58:21Krill-but i was just asking out of curiosity, coming from a demoscene background
19:58:48copperthe iPod Classic is pretty powerful
19:59:01copperwith 3D graphics, cover flow and whatnot
19:59:52Krill-ah!
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20:02:41copperKrill-: http://youtu.be/PPl7txj801o?t=8s
20:03:50melmothXhello all. I'm using rbutility to install rb from a debian host to the ClipZip. Is it normal that only the development releases is shown as candidate for installation?
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20:07:40coppermelmothX: the Clip Zip is deemed "unstable"
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20:08:44melmothXi was asking because the manual says the stable release should be offered too, so i take your answer as a "yes, it's normal" :-)
20:09:38coppermore like "I don't know, here's maybe why" ;)
20:14:51melmothXok, it worked. I'm on board. Thanks!
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20:27:31gevaertsmelmothX: don't worry too much about the "unstable" label. That's mainly due to cosmetic issues like not having a fully finished manual on the clip zip, not to the code not working as well as on e.g. the clip plus (which is stable)
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20:34:52lorenzo92pamaury: writing down some pin and adc tables :)
20:34:55lorenzo92pamaury: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungZ5
20:36:00lorenzo92LCD_TP -> TogglePower? :)
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20:54:49lorenzo92pamaury: to get the content of the .dat file and/or sb files, a good idea that came to my mind is to play with strings. I will attach the uart to the player and seek for some strings :p
20:55:15lorenzo92we will possibly play on them to gain decryption..
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21:17:47melmothXgevaerts: yeah, thanks.
21:29:45bluebrother^Bagder: can you move Rockbox Utility 1.3.1 to the download server?
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21:30:25bluebrother^http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-releases/1.3.1/
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22:14:05melmothXI've searched the internet and the manual, but apparently without an answer. What does the top-right icon near the clock (it's not always visible) mean? It appears here: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/main_menu/images/ss-while-recording-screen-128x64x1-clip.png
22:16:10gevaertsdisk (or rather, flash on the clip) activity
22:16:37melmothXoh, thanks
22:17:21Krill-is there a reason for this order? i'd put that rarely-seen icon inside and the clock in the corner, it just looks better 99.9% of the time
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22:17:34saratogai think that build error isn't my fault
22:18:51saratogadoes anyone with an ipod classic know if runtime estimation works?
22:19:01gevaertshmm
22:20:01gevaertssaratoga: the same build error happens two revisions earlier for a different target and a different build client, so this definitely looks unrelated to that commit
22:20:33saratogayeah thats what i figured, just scary that it happened to randomly occur for the target i changed :)
22:20:43saratogaand no the classic runtime estimation doesn't work, its commented out for some reason ...
22:20:55gevaertsI wonder what really causes it
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22:34:32saratogaanyone with a classic handy?
22:34:57saratogabuilding the sim I now get: "/home/ubuntu/Desktop/rockbox/simipod/lib/libtlsf.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one"
22:34:59saratogaany ideas?
22:35:10saratogaclean check out, using the rockbox dev image in virtualbox
22:36:35gevaertshm
22:37:15saratogarerunning make fixes it
22:37:15gevaertsThat's what n01-roolku gave before I blocked it
22:37:39saratogathreading problem?
22:37:41gevaertsSo we may have a race condition in the build system
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22:37:42gevaertsyes
22:37:48gevaertsFunb
22:37:50gevaerts*fun
22:38:10*gevaerts is not fond of those
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22:38:31saratoga"/home/ubuntu/Desktop/rockbox/firmware/target/hosted/sdl/sim-ui-defines.h:449:2: error: #error no UI defines"
22:41:58saratogadoes the ipod classic sim not work?
22:43:04saratogatheres no define for it in sim-ui-defines
22:43:06saratogawaht the hll
22:47:16saratogaanyone want to make a sim graphic for the ipod 6G?
22:47:47saratogaactually it looks so much like the 5G maybe i can just reuse it
22:49:18saratogaanyone mind if I do that?
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22:56:34saratogaok fixed building the 6G sim
22:56:50saratogagraphics could be updated since i'm just reusing the Video bitmap, but they look so similar its not a huge deal
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23:04:12saratogais there any other easy stuff thats not working on the 6G?
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23:25:30coppersaratoga: easy stuff: integrate the 10 band EQ patch
23:25:56copperthe Classic / Video have enough screen estate, and it's really nice to be able to exactly replicate a desktop EQ config
23:26:28copperthat's the only reason I'm using the head-fi builds
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23:28:03gevaertsWhere are those builds?
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23:28:59saratogahttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/b5xbw6cp4ikfxwn/MjELjmDNJ_
23:29:18copperand this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/532426/ipod-classic-rockbox-its-happening
23:29:46saratogaif someone wants to go through and make sure that the 10 band stuff is only enabled on high end devices, and change the manual, i'm fine with committing it
23:30:00copper"high end"?
23:30:08saratogaones that are fast enough to use it
23:30:13gevaertsSo no source for those builds?
23:30:23saratogai posted in that thread earlier asking him to post sources
23:30:34saratogai think he included the patches somewhere in that thread, but they're nto with the builds
23:30:50copperno where on the website does it say what license Rockbox uses btw
23:31:20saratogathe source code includes the license
23:31:26copperI figured
23:31:32copperGPLv2?
23:31:53saratoga2+
23:32:36saratogathat guy was interested in working on the opus stuff a while ago, was encouraging him to do so
23:32:41saratogabut i don't think he ever did
23:38:50saratogahow fast is the EQ on coldfire? probably pretty fast since it has EMAC
23:38:59saratogamight be worth checking to see if it can run the 10 band eq with all bands
23:42:51[Saint][23:13:22] <lebellium> it seems we don't have suitable unicode font for Android? <−− what makes you say that?
23:43:25[Saint]My font pack is linked from the same place.
23:43:45lebelliumdo your ubuntu fonts support hangul?
23:44:21[Saint]No. The GNU Unifont ones will, though. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/Rockbox%20as%20an%20Application/Font%20Pack/font-pack.zip
23:44:44[Saint](keep in mind, they're bloody massive :))
23:45:10[Saint]{meaning, don't include them in a theme, as it's a lot of needless traffic}
23:45:34lebelliumI won't. It's just to show Rockbox to a Korean friend :)
23:45:44[Saint]Ah. :)
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23:46:30[Saint]16 GNU Unifont from the Rockbox official font pack will "just work" too.
23:46:44[Saint]It'll just look even worse then mine does, and be tiny (16pt).
23:46:49lebelliumyeah I tried and told him to use 14-Rockbox-Mix, 16-GNU-Unifont, 18-Fixed
23:48:45lebelliumI'll give him your GNU fonts too
23:48:46lebelliumthx
23:48:49[Saint]I don't think there's a language we support that isn't at least partially supported by 16-GNU-Unifont.
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23:49:10copper16 isn't tiny
23:49:15copperit's rather big
23:49:29[Saint]ldpi?
23:49:31lebelliumon 480*800 target it looks tiny
23:49:35copperah
23:49:42copper320x240 iPod Classic here
23:49:48[Saint]:)
23:49:59lebelliumwe talk about RaaA - Android :)
23:50:08copperI see
23:50:21Wilkoguys, hi, i made a stupid thing to my sansa clip+, i changed .rockbox folder from 3.12(my rockbox version) to 2.97 folder
23:50:27copperI missed the Android part
23:50:57[Saint]Wilko: congratulations! Now, is there a question involved? :)
23:51:04Wilkoand now i can't connect it to my computer, nothing happens when i plug it :(
23:51:15saratogaWilko: just change it back
23:51:16[Saint]boot the OF.

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