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#rockbox log for 2012-12-05

00:03:09funmani have no clue
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00:15:28copperyup, it works
00:15:44funmanthen i assume he got my link ..
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00:16:38copperit doesn't flash to get your attention or anything, though
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00:16:54copperhe might have missed your PM
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00:54:03JdGordon[Saint]: so, now you're awake.. did you play with 9seg? :/
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02:14:54bogsnarthhi
02:15:45bogsnarthi have been searching the forum and the wiki and google for a solution to this issue and i haven't been able to find a single good answer.. despite the fact that i can find questions about it from as long ago as 2007
02:15:56bogsnarthso i;'m hopeing someone here can help me out
02:16:42bogsnarthi have a sansa clip zip with the latest rockbox firmware.. i'm just trying to figure out a way to add a function to the database to "play all albums" by a given artist
02:17:23bogsnarththe "auto change directory" function sort of works, but as it says in the manual, it causes unexpected behavior with the database as opposed to the file browser...
02:18:50bogsnarthi get why "all tracks" shows all tracks by the artist in alphabetical order, but for my purposes, it would serve me far better to have the option to play all albums... it's fine if the albums are ordered alphabetically,
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02:19:14bogsnarthi just want the tracks to playi n album order
02:19:44bogsnarthanybody have any ideas?
02:20:41[Saint]What's stopping you from just selecting the artist and adding all to a playlist?
02:21:16bogsnarthhmm.. i guess that hadn't occurred to me.. i've only had rockbox for about a week, so still getting used to the navigation
02:21:31bogsnarthi think that might work, actually
02:21:36[Saint]Well, that's the solution you're looking for.
02:21:53[Saint]Bring up the context menu on the artist, from the database, and you're good to go.
02:24:24bogsnarthwell it seems like that should have worked, but it added all the tracks in alphabetical order as if i had selected "all tracks"
02:25:18[Saint]Aha, that's the context I was missing...I wasn't aware you wanted it sorted by album.
02:26:01bogsnarthyeah, that's the bit i can't seem to find anything about in my searches
02:26:12bogsnarthmost of the conversations i've found went a lot like this, lol
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02:26:41[Saint]Sorry to be an ass, but, the manual does explicitly state that auto-change directory won't function as expected when used with the database.
02:26:47bogsnarthright
02:26:58[Saint]Use the file explorer instead, and make sure you albums are ordered in a sane fashion.
02:27:11bogsnarthno offense taken, i've been involved in a tech support forum situation before.. i know the endless questions about the same shit get tiresome
02:27:14[Saint]Music/Artist/Album, etc.
02:27:47bogsnarthyeah, the file explorer seems to be the way to go... i have been lazy with my file organization since i stopped using soulseek in 2008, so things are kind of a mess
02:27:49[Saint]As long bogsnarth as repeat == no, and auto-change == yes, that should "just work".
02:28:09[Saint]bah, accidentally autocompleted a nick, amusing.
02:28:16bogsnarthha
02:28:23[Saint]As long as repeat == no, and auto-change == yes, that should "just work".
02:29:47[Saint]If you want to set autochange to random, you need to run the random folder advance configuration plugin first to generate a list of directories.
02:30:32[Saint]In hindsight, if there isn't (very few of us actually seem to use the database), there /probably/ should be a way to do this with the Database.
02:31:23Torneyes, there should be a way to do this with the databas,e but currently the sorting doesn't have any flexibility whatsoever to sort on multiple columns
02:31:32Tornethe way sorting works is very specific and arcane
02:31:38*[Saint] nodfs
02:31:40bogsnarthahhh, that makes sense then
02:31:41[Saint]-f
02:31:47Torneand basically nobody undertands that code well enough to make any changes to it at all
02:32:01Torneplus: lots of rockboxers don't use the database
02:32:03Torneespecially not developers
02:32:12Torneso the motivation to figure it out is very low
02:32:40bogsnarthyeah, the database seems to have been sort of tacked on to draw in people who would shy away from a straight up file tree
02:33:04[Saint]afaik, it's there almost exclusively for iPod users.
02:33:06Tornethe database exists *mostly* so you can use rockbox on an ipod
02:33:12Tornewhich already has itunes-synced music
02:33:17bogsnarthi started to use it mostly because it's the way i've used the last 2 players i've had, but i think it'll be worth my time to reorganize my files a little and stick with the browser
02:33:18Tornethat was more or less the reason it got created
02:33:33Torneit was generally assumed that everyone else had sorted files
02:33:38[Saint]Without the database, if you have iTunes synced music, you're out of luck.
02:33:54bogsnarthi see
02:34:46amayerunless you were meticulous like me and kept all your ID3 tags in order
02:34:48amayermy switch was relatively painless
02:34:55bogsnarthi used to have a great organization system.. but i was in college then and i had lots of free time
02:35:15[Saint]amayer: that's still not going to help you if you have iTunes synced music on an iPod.
02:35:25[Saint]ID3 tags don't mean a shit if you can'tr read them.
02:35:45amayerI did have iTunes synced music on my ipod classic
02:35:57[Saint]The iTunes database is totally invisible to the File Browser.
02:36:09amayerbut you can edit/write ID3 tags to the actual files
02:36:28[Saint]that's just...nuts.
02:36:29amayer(through itunes)
02:37:19bogsnarthis there a way to edit tags within rockbox? i see a lot of people recommending mp3tag, but i'm just wondering in case i only need to retag one file/album
02:37:32amayerwell it helped me switch to rockbox so im glad. if i couldnt have taken my collection with we i probably wouldnt have switched
02:37:45[Saint]Not much point in having a nicely tagged <totally batshit-insanely sorted with names giving absolutely zero indication as to the file's content> group of tracks IMO.
02:38:06bogsnarthyeah, i hated that about the one ipod i owned
02:38:45[Saint]And no, there's no tag editing in Rockbox.
02:38:46bogsnarthi was using a mac then and found a program called senuti (itunes backwards) that would let you take files off of the ipod with proper names
02:38:58bogsnarthok, thought not, but just figured i'd ask while i was here
02:39:03[Saint]It simply wouldn't be very easy to use. The Rockbox virtual keyboard is a nightmare.
02:39:08bogsnarthhaha yeah
02:39:12bogsnarthnaming playlists sucks
02:39:29amayerit took me 4 times using it to get it down
02:39:30[Saint]On devices where we run as a native app, it might make some sense, but in those cases the host probably has a better solution.
02:39:43[Saint]ie. Android et al
02:41:37bogsnarthwell thanks for the help folks.. i can at least stop racking my brain trying to figure out how to do an impossible thing now
02:42:08*[Saint] admits it isn't always obvious where to look in the manual.
02:43:18bogsnarth:)
02:43:25bogsnarthkudos to the devs.. keep up the great work
02:43:29bogsnarthlaters
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02:44:42WilliamCMy firmware corrupted itself.
02:44:51WilliamCHow did that happen?
02:45:18*[Saint] rubs his crystal ball and casts the rune stones
02:45:36WilliamCI just don't understand how it can just up and stop working
02:45:42[Saint](in the likely event that this doesn't work, you might want to add some context)
02:46:01WilliamCI'm using a Sansa ClipZip
02:46:18WilliamCI turned it off yesterday when it was working and when I turned it back on it wasn't working
02:46:23[Saint]I'm assuming (dangerous) that you mean Rockbox?
02:46:35WilliamCyes
02:46:39WilliamCOtherwise I wouldn't be here
02:47:02[Saint]...well, that's not something I like to assume. And I'm not psychic.
02:47:15[Saint]Can you boot the OF at all?
02:48:03WilliamCyeah, I'm loading Rockbox now
02:48:41[Saint]Once you manage to get it to mount, do a disk check.
02:48:54[Saint]chkdsk on windows, fsck.vfat on linux.
02:49:29[Saint]Failuer to unmount cleanly can cause all sorts of fun filesystem errors, and most people never do safely eject.
02:51:33WilliamCHow can I unmount when it's not plugged into my computer?
02:52:02WilliamCI wonder if it's because the firmware is unstable
02:52:40*[Saint] is willing to speculate that you did plug it into your computer at /some/ point.
02:53:18[Saint]And, yes, expecting this particular port to not have <potentially crippling> bugs, is a bit too hopeful.
02:54:13[Saint]On any device that functions as removable storage, when "weird shit" happens, a disk check is wise.
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03:05:16WilliamCThe utility froze, I think I'll do it manually
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03:07:38[Saint]WilliamC: this all smacks of filesystem corruption.
03:08:00WilliamCI ran a scan in Explorer
03:08:10[Saint]there's no point in doing anything until you fix any corruption that is (probably) present.
03:08:16[Saint]It'll just keep happening.
03:08:49[Saint]Hmmmmm, weird. There's no good reason for RbUtil to freeze.
03:09:33WilliamCIt took forever to extract the file, I don't think it even tried uploading it
03:10:32WilliamCI'm going to kill it in a way that may BSOD me
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03:16:36WilliamCSo, yeah it caused me to BSOD but it wouldn't close so meh
03:19:13WilliamCClipzip will never be stable.
03:20:06[Saint]....what the hell?
03:20:22[Saint]If you want it to advance, learn to code, and do something about it.
03:20:33[Saint]Otherwise, jsut keep those negative comments to yourself.
03:21:13WilliamCI was pretty much told that it would likely never truly be stable on this channel, it's not my opinion.
03:22:06[Saint]Never is a long time.
03:22:22WilliamCI think they said indefinite
03:23:00[Saint]And, as I said, if you want to do something productive...learn some C and contribute. Such comments are not needed or welcome.
03:23:11[Saint]"indefinite" != "never"
03:23:27[Saint]That's just saying "we can't tell you when", which is entirely true.
03:24:20WilliamCBut can I be frustrated?
03:24:28[Saint]Sure, elsewhere.
03:26:12WilliamCI found out the issue with it uploading, no clue the cause
03:26:56WilliamCWindows just suddenly turns it into a generic Removable Disk
03:26:58[Saint]You'd actually have some right to be frustrated if it wasn't a FOSS community project you paid nothing for that makes no claims of stabilty whatsoever, though :)
03:27:03[Saint]...just sayin'.
03:27:53[Saint]The usual joke is, that if you're unhappy, you're entitled to a full refund :)
03:28:11WilliamCor you get what you pay for
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03:41:24WilliamCI think the issue is WIndows
03:41:44WilliamCIt's not handling the USB devices too well.
03:43:15WilliamCAny suggestions?
03:43:51WilliamCI'm starting to wonder if the issue is Windows
03:44:25WilliamCIt's not even recognizing my unrelated USB flash drive
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04:03:43WilliamCTHe issue is Windows not Rockbox
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04:33:26[Saint]huh...wha?
04:33:33*[Saint] sees a post he missed.
04:34:03[Saint]Windows seeing the device as generic removable storage shouldn't be a problem at all.
04:34:10[Saint]...I mean, that's what it is.
04:34:56[Saint]If you're having problems with USB in general, though, I suspect this conversation is better had in an MS support forum.
04:36:48SuperBrainAK:P MS, sounds like a disease :/
04:37:22[Saint]It is.
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04:37:29[Saint]:)
04:38:38[Saint]The symptoms are loss of sanity, and inability to see the fact that there are other options available that have your best interests in mind as opposed to theirs.
04:39:14[Saint]Its ultimately fatal.
04:40:49SuperBrainAKyea :)
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04:52:50*JdGordon prods [Saint]
04:53:44[Saint]Errrr, yeah. I've got it picked out into a branch, but I haven't had time to poke at it yet, sorry.
04:54:43JdGordonyou suck! :D
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05:34:04WilliamCWindows behaves oddly when my music player malfunctions and it usually requires me to reboot as it doesn't time out or anything when it's trying to read it.
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09:06:04wodzpamaury: (log) I was thinking about something like this http://pastie.org/5482732. I am not sure how should I notify the usb stack though.
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11:13:38wodzpamaury: how should I notify usb stack about SET CONFIGURATION?
11:14:28pamaurycraft a fake setup packet and notify the core about it. But you should also modify the usbstack to not send/recv anything when handling such a packet
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11:15:19wodzyeah I know.
11:15:58wodzpamaury: could you provide me the fake packet content? I will take me some time to figure out the structure I guess
11:16:07pamauryok, wait a minute
11:17:05wodzpamaury: Do I assume correctly that host can send SET CONFIGURATION a few times?
11:17:34pamauryyes, in theory if you have several configuration, the host can change it at any time
11:18:32wodzI wonder how this is supposed to work with this usb core.
11:18:55pamaurywodz: http://pastebin.com/0hn5ndyK
11:19:16pamaurywodz: each time there is such a request, all transfers are canceled and the drivers are initialised again
11:20:22pamauryto be honest I'm not a 100% sure that our drivers really handle this but it never happens anyway
11:21:26wodzok, I ask in another way - can I safely unregister polling task on first SET CONFIGURATION?
11:22:09pamauryyes
11:22:15wodzgood
11:22:40pamaurybecause we only have one config: any new set configuration will either be the same or invalid, so useless
11:23:22wodzwhat should happen when usb stack is notified correctly? What other packets to expect?
11:24:00pamauryafter set configuration ?
11:24:05wodzyes
11:24:37pamauryinterface specific packets, for example get hid descriptor, get ums config, ...
11:24:47pamauryanything really :)
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11:40:20pamaurylorenzo92 (logs): as expected samsung refused to give the z5 source code (>3 discontinued, I'm not sure that's a valid argument though) and the t10 doesn't have any gpl code (they say)
11:42:22*pamaury now has a creative zen V \\o/ which by the way has line in
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13:46:23lebelliumpamaury: funny, I was just talking about that with lorenzo before reading the IRC logs. He says that GPL licence oblige to release the sources, whatever how old is the device
13:46:25lebelliumis that trueN
13:46:27lebellium?
13:46:51gevaertsDepends
13:46:55lebelliumWhen TheLemonMan got the YP-Q2 sources, it was already discontinued...
13:46:56pamauryI don't know, samsung seems to say no, I'm not an expert
13:47:13gevaertsIf the device originally had a written offer for the source, that has to be valid for three years
13:47:44lebelliumah... they replied to lorenzo they can't share the sources because the Z5 was released more than 3 years ago
13:47:53lebellium(2006)
13:48:00pamauryme too, but I don't see why
13:48:58gevaertsIf that bit of paper was in the original package, I suspect there's not much you can do apart from appealing to their community sense
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13:50:39lorenzo92pamaury: great for the stmp3600 device :D
13:52:08lorenzo92uhm wait. they guarantee the available of sources in other formats too, but I guess they must release them anyways, I may be wrong, and I may be wrong since sources may not completely be GPL'ed
13:52:24lorenzo92for example, what about the sigmatel linux bsp? Is it GPL?
13:52:51lorenzo92I think samsung modified it though now that I'm wondering about...
13:53:32lorenzo92to say, the point is not that we need them, but it would be fair understanding why and I they must/n't release them
13:53:41lorenzo92*if
13:53:49pamaurythe licence doesn't really matter if they don't want to give you the source anyway
13:54:48pamauryAnd they sometimes deny the evidence: I have a Mio device which uses u-boot and when I asked for the source they told me the device wasn't using u-boot and they didn't have to redistribute the source oO
13:57:06Zagorall kernel code is by definition gpl, since the kernel is
13:57:12lorenzo92indeed
13:57:31lorenzo92also if it is taintened "internally" (no modules)?
13:58:12Zagorlorenzo92: anything you distribute in the kernel will be tainted as gpl, and therefore gpl itself
13:58:18lorenzo92good
13:58:20lorenzo92to know ;)
13:58:53Zagoreven the binary module hack is of questionable legality. it just has never been tested.
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14:00:04pamaurysomeone told me that it was a somewhat implicit agreement that Linus will never sue anyone about the binary modules, don't know if this is true
14:00:47Zagorsort of, yes. I think he said in a mailing list once that he doesn't care, and that's why they keep doing it.
14:01:30gevaertsAll this is of questionable relevance *if* they included the written offer more than three years ago and they don't want to give the source though
14:02:10Zagorgevaerts: yes
14:02:20gevaertsThe thing to do is to trick them into selling you one of the three leftover devices they might still have lying around :)
14:03:27lorenzo92oh about the binaries...samsung does that since years in their players ;)
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14:03:55lorenzo92for example the wmr.ko (whymory ftl module)
14:04:00lorenzo92in YP-R0
14:04:46Zagorlorenzo92: yes, lots of companies do it. one can argue if it has helped linux adoption or hurt its' freedom. there are reasonable arguments for both views.
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14:07:05lorenzo92Zagor: indeed, since it can arise a patent problem
14:07:49Zagorpatents are really a separate issue
14:08:00Zagorbut we're getting off-topic
14:10:46wodzbasically Linus said that he doesn't care of modules not exporting GPL_ symbols, he cares about modules exporting GPL_ modules AND binary form
14:11:35wodzs/GPL_ modules/GPL_ symbols/
14:15:52bebnaIs it possible to use a cable remote on a sansa clip+/zip?
14:16:08funmanbebna: no, no one tried to use OTG yet
14:16:26funmanI have an OTG cable now so I could have a look
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14:16:45bebnaUSB OTG?
14:18:30funmanto plug USB peripherals on the clip
14:18:37funmanI don't see how else you could plug a remote
14:18:58bebnaNo, I meant these remote controls: http://www.amazon.com/iLuv-iEA15BLK-3rd-Party-Headphone-VoiceOver/dp/B002RL9WDQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354713480&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+headphone+cable+remote+control
14:20:25funmani doubt it
14:20:39funmanperhaps that one has an extra connector beyond stereo ?
14:20:54funmanCompatibility: iPod nano 4G, 5G, 6G; iPod shuffle 3G, 4G; iPod classic 5G, 6G; iPod touch 2G, 3G, 4G; iPad
14:21:33bebnaYes, these are normally used on i's but my n900 or psp can use these too
14:22:11Tornethat won't work, no
14:22:21copperclips have TRS sockets, not TRRS
14:22:29Tornevery few of the players we support have the hardware to recognise the second ring with the mic/control channel on it
14:22:39Tornepossibly none, in fact :)
14:22:51copperiPod Classic
14:22:56bebnathx copper, i couldn't see it in the wiki
14:23:02Torneok, i guess that does
14:23:06Tornebut i have no idea if we have a driver for it ;)
14:23:15coppernope
14:23:38Tornealso that thing saying it's compatible with the ipod 5g is wrong :)
14:24:40bebnais rockbox cabable to measure resistance over these sockets?
14:25:01Tornenot unless the *hardware* is, no
14:25:10Tornethe socket has to actually have the fourth terminal..
14:25:37bebnaTorne: O.O really?
14:25:42coppersupport for it in Rockbox would be nice!
14:26:02Tornebebna: why is it a suprise that we can't support something the hardware lacks a physical connector for?
14:26:17Tornethe headphone sockets in most devices only have three terminals: left, right and ground
14:26:28Tornethe fourth pin used for mic/remote is not physically present
14:26:49Tornemodern iDevices have it, and most modern smartphones do too
14:26:54bebnaTorne: sry, I misread your message, i thought they have the fourth
14:27:09Tornebut many non-apple mp3 players don't
14:28:24copperand it's generally a bad idea to plug a TRRS jack into a TRS socket
14:28:37Torneer, what?
14:28:40Tornewhy would it be?
14:28:47Tornethe second ring gets grounded, which is what you want
14:29:06copperbad contacts
14:29:24coppercan result in broken audio in some cases, or insanely high stereo crosstalk in others
14:29:39Tornebad contacts between what?
14:30:24coppercontact on the wrong ring I guess
14:30:31copperI just know the outcome
14:30:47Tornei don't see how that can happen and i think you are crazy :)
14:30:55TornePeople do this literally all the time
14:30:56coppertry it yourself
14:31:01TorneI do this all the time
14:31:08copperok
14:31:11TorneI listen to headphones from my phone for like 18 hours a day
14:31:22Torneand that's a TRRS connector with mic/remote support, because it's a modern smartphone
14:31:27copperyes
14:31:28Tornebut i just have regular headphones plugged into it :)
14:31:33copperI'm talking about the reverse case
14:31:50copperTRRS *jack* (male) into TRS *socket* (female)
14:32:24Torneoh. proper connectors will still ground the right bits.
14:32:30copperi.e. headphones with an inline mic/remote into a device that doesn't support it
14:32:49Tornei have done that lots too and never had a problem ;)
14:32:57coppersigh
14:33:16copperI made a WAV file with a sine wave in the left channel and nothing in the right channel
14:33:30copperI put the right cup over my right ear
14:33:32Tornea sensible TRS socket will have ground on the tip
14:33:38copperI could hear the LEFT sine loud and clear
14:33:49Torneas in, actually at the tip
14:33:56copperin a TRRS socket, I heard nothing, just silence
14:33:56Tornenot higher up where it can touch a second ring
14:34:23Tornesure, it's possible
14:34:30Tornebut it's unlikely and not a major concern
14:34:35Tornevery few devices should have a problem
14:36:22copperhappened with the Clip+, fwiw
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14:37:32copperand my O2/ODAC
14:37:44copperwith two different IEMs
14:38:01Tornesure, the headphones don't matter, only the design of TRS socket
14:38:08Tornei guess those devices have crap sockets
14:38:28bebnaby the way: Is the battery runtime between clip+ and zip different?
14:40:00copperI'm also hearing a cyclic background noise in the Clip+ :-/
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15:19:04wodzpamaury: Tick task detects the change in DEV_INFO passes faked packet to the usb stack and... nothing happens. The strange thing is also the fact that DEV_INFO field [11:8] cfg_number stays 0 despite the fact that host requested configuration 1
15:19:40pamauryperhaps there is an offset, like -1, in cfg_number
15:19:55pamaurydid you try to change the wValue in the packet to 1 ?
15:20:29pamaurybecause if wValue is set to 0, the usbstack will return to the ADDRESS state and nothing will happen
15:20:36wodzyes
15:20:53wodzI hardcoded 1 without change
15:21:26pamauryand what do you mean by nothing happen ?
15:21:54wodzno packets after SET CONFIGURATION request/response
15:22:30pamaurywhat is the output of dmesg ?
15:22:52pamauryif no interface get reported, that's expected
15:23:14wodzhttp://pastie.org/5484018
15:24:03pamauryindeed there is no interface
15:25:08pamauryit means that no driver (hid, ums) has reported an interface. There are several explaination: the drivere were disabled (see usb_core_enable_driver) or at init the drivers failed to get the necessary endpoints
15:25:22pamauryfor example if your usb_drv_request_endpoint functions is a stub or fails
15:25:31pamauryyou need to enable logf in the drivers and see what happen
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15:26:40wodzis it simply compiling with LOGF?
15:27:32pamauryyou need to add/uncomment #define LOGF_ENABLE in usb_storage.c usb_hid.c
15:28:16pamauryif you want some very verbose output you can also do it in usb.c
15:31:40wodzakhm, log file is empty
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15:32:17pamauryI think you need to enable logf in configure also
15:32:24wodzI did
15:33:14pamauryhuh, how can the log be empty then ? did you enable logf in usb.c ?
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15:33:58wodzno, I just enabled it in usb_storage.c and usb_hid.c
15:35:35pamauryok, try it in usb.c to check that it does something
15:36:18wodznow I enabled log in usb_core.c also and I got this: http://pastie.org/5484071
15:37:41wodzSET ADDRESS seems to be handled by hw also, maybe this is the problem?
15:38:58pamauryhum, this is bad indeed, I'm not sure if it's a show killer but imo it should be handled the same way as set configuration
15:39:06pamaurywith usb_drv_set_address being a stub
15:40:11wodzit is a stub in usb-drv-rk27xx.c
15:40:18pamauryI might be wrong but I think that if you don't handle the set address, the core will be confused because usb_state will stay in DEFAULT state
15:40:34pamauryso yeah, you have to handle it the same way as set configuration :(
15:41:07wodzthis core is pretty incompatible with usb stack philosophy :-)
15:43:12wodzcan device address be 0?
15:43:23pamauryno, it is 0 on reset only
15:43:32wodzgood
15:44:33wodzhow should look faked packet?
15:46:25pamauryhttp://pastebin.com/CL6u64rW
15:59:14copper(referring to Rockbox) "Don't know what this is. I googled it and it looks complicated."
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16:01:33*copper thinks that guy wouldn't be so scared if the Rockbox website had a Web 2.0 look
16:01:50copperwith a ridiculously large "download" button
16:02:01Tornefeel free to write us a new website :p
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16:06:52copperstrange: I copied a bunch of files on my iPod Classic. After unplugging it, I selected "update database" in the rockbox menu. I waited until the HDD activity icon disappeared. I rebooted Rockbox. Sure enough, I saw the "committing database" pop-up, and then the HDD activity icon for a really long time (it's still on).
16:07:51copper"auto update" is set to ON
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16:16:30wodzpamaury: for unknown reason usb stack doesn't see SET ADDRESS request. Detection in udc_tick_task() seems to work, usb_core_control_request() is sent and thats all
16:16:36wodzdon't understand this
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16:17:14pamaurywhat is the output of logf ?
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16:19:42pamauryif you send it to the core, it should react somehow
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16:19:59wodzhttp://pastie.org/5484227
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16:20:30wodzmaybe the send is not right in time or something?
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16:21:10hypedamn my sandisk sansa fuze+ is broken… what mp3 player do you guys recommend?
16:21:42pamauryhype: depends on what you are looking for
16:21:51pamauryhow broken is it ?
16:21:56wodzpamaury: http://pastie.org/5484234 thats the part of udc_tick_task()
16:22:44wodzI monitor udc_conn value in debug screen and it is set correctly to the passed address
16:23:53hypeit's to broken… have nothing todo with rockbox...
16:24:28pamauryhum, I don't see the set address in the log, could you add a logf when you send the fake packet and another one in usb_core.c:848 this way:
16:24:28pamaurylogf("ctrl req=%x",req->bRequest);
16:24:53wodzsure
16:25:01hypepamaury something that is of good build quality… sansa fuze+ is not of that kind
16:25:17pamauryhype: if you don't mind the size, the clip+ is very except for usb which is a unstable
16:25:22pamaury*very good
16:25:33pamaurybut that's one point of view
16:25:53pamaurythere is the more recent clip zip but I don't have one so I can't tell
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16:27:04hypeusb unstable?
16:27:58pamaurysome people have problem with rockbox usb, sometimes it doesn't work and you have to use the OF to transfer files
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16:29:26hypeis this something you are investigating?
16:29:51hypeeither that or sandisk fuze which of the one do you recommend?
16:30:06hypethe old fuze not fuze+
16:30:56wodzpamaury: the second logf() in request_handler_endpoint()???
16:31:08pamauryin usb_core_control_request_handler
16:31:35pamauryhype: the usb issue has been investigated for a long time and continues to be but no one knows how to solve it
16:32:10pamauryI never had a fuze myself so I can't tell
16:32:59hypeI don't mind if it have small screen only that the build quality is good...
16:35:52hypepamaury how big sdcard can i use with clip+?
16:36:58pamauryyou mean physical or logical size ? It has a micro-sd slot and rockbox has no limitation on the logical size
16:37:52wodzpamaury: http://pastie.org/5484285
16:38:13pamaurybut if you buy a SDHX card (>32GB) you will need to reformat it to FAT that's all I think
16:39:58pamaurywodz: are you sure that you actually send a fake setup packet for the set address ? the log doesn't contain any reference to it
16:40:28wodzit does - line 265
16:42:11wodzthats the tick function http://pastie.org/5484301
16:44:47pamaurywodz: the pointer you give to usb_core_control_request() must stay valid, perhaps you shouldn't reuse "req" for the two requests
16:45:18pamauryand actually make then static because otherwise the set config might get corrupted
16:45:23pamaury*them
16:45:50pamauryah it's already static so that's fine, just try to use two instead of one
16:46:42wodzok 1 sec
16:50:21wodzpamaury: http://pastebin.com/yg5hTi76 - no change
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16:50:42wodzI used two separate static vars for fake packets
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16:51:58pamaurywodz: this doesn't make sense:
16:51:58pamauryusb_core: SET_CONFIG
16:51:58pamauryusb_core_control_request_handler() ctrl req=9
16:52:16pamauryhow could the core print SET_CONFIG even before it know what type of request it is ?!
16:52:35pamaurycan I see your new code ?
16:54:03wodzpamaury: http://pastebin.com/4fMD2zeJ
16:54:23pamaurywodz: by the way, you will need to disable the usb_drv_send() in the handling of SET_ADDRESS too
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16:54:35wodzI did this
16:55:32pamauryok, can you enhance the logf("ctrl received %ld", current_tick); this way:
16:55:32pamaurylogf("ctrl received %ld req=%x", current_tick, req->bRequest);
16:55:45pamaurywe need to understand what is going on !
16:56:07wodzwhere? both in tick task and in usb_core.c?
16:56:57pamauryin usb_core_control_request
16:58:07wodzok I added it in both
16:59:56wodzhttp://pastebin.com/y1VpSUn4
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17:01:37pamaurywodz: I don't understand, the "ctrl received" should have an field to dump the req:
17:01:37pamaurylogf("ctrl received %ld req=%x", current_tick, req->bRequest);
17:03:02wodzit has logf("udc_tick_task() %ld, ctrl req=%x",current_tick, req_addr.bRequest); in tick task and logf("usb_core_control_request_handler() %ld, ctrl req=%x",current_tick, req->bRequest); in usb_core.c
17:03:32pamauryI will be afk, perhaps take a break or you will become mad :)
17:04:02wodzyeah, its enough for today
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19:48:33lorenzo92pamaury: lebellium sent me some YP samsung player's firmware .rom files (they are the same) and I reverted the content ;) I have a python script, after reviewing it and understanding something better I will write that in C giving you a patch ;)
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20:04:07lorenzo92we can integrate this into samsungtools -> valid for YP-F3, YP-W1, YP-U7, no encryption ;) details: http://pastebin.com/EvNdWL3w
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20:16:14lorenzo92if someone interested in these player (I don't own them) ask me for the python script meanwhile
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22:54:58webguest93hi everyone
22:55:49webguest93looks like there is a typo in rockbox daily releases
22:55:55webguest93its stucked on Version: 644b83e-120701
22:56:04webguest93can someone pls take a look thanks
22:56:23webguest93this is for ipod classic
22:57:30webguest93http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodclassic/
22:58:40amayer_you can get the newest build here:
22:58:42amayer_http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
22:58:44amayer_(this one is up to date)
22:58:56amayer_Version: 708bf1a-121205
22:59:35amayer_i think this happened when they renamed the classic to 6g
22:59:56webguest93huh cool
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23:01:04webguest93thanks for clearing things up amayer_ giving a try last stable from http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod6g/
23:01:49amayer_did you get the ipodclassic link from somewhere or did you have it bookmarked?
23:01:51amayer_was it somewhere on the site?
23:03:11webguest93nope i just edit url so get a level up
23:03:29amayer_webguest93: where did you find the link?
23:03:41webguest93just explained u
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23:05:48amayer_you said you edited the url. where did you find the url?
23:06:14webguest93ough. sorry for mix-up. i thought u mean new url. sorry
23:06:33webguest93the old 1 i got on freemyipod most likely months ago
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23:17:19webguest93amayer_ any news on rockbox stable of ipod6g?
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23:26:50amayer_the only thing to my knowllege that is holding it back from being stable is that it doesnt have a bootloader that rockbox controls
23:27:05webguest93k thanks
23:27:18gevaertsThat's holding it back from unstable
23:27:30gevaertsFor stable, there really should be an easier way to install
23:27:48amayer_webguest93: ^
23:28:02webguest93yeah i got it thanks guys
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23:35:57AlexPwebguest93: The daily builds are just a build done at a certain time of day. They aren't any more or less stable than the dev builds
23:36:38AlexPThey aren't "releases" :)
23:39:17webguest93i mean release
23:39:30AlexPThey aren't a release
23:39:30webguest93alexp ^
23:39:43webguest93i know :)
23:40:03AlexPeh?
23:40:32AlexPI was pointing out that "rockbox daily releases" <−− we don't have daily releases
23:40:40AlexPWe do a release every 3 or 4 months
23:40:48AlexPAnd there hasn't been one for the classic
23:41:05AlexPA minor point only, it doesn't matter :)
23:41:28webguest93Stable ports Rockbox runs well on these players: Apple: Ipod 1g through 5.5g, Ipod Mini and Ipod Nano 1g
23:41:35AlexPyes, I know
23:41:41AlexPThat doesn't include the classic
23:42:03webguest93correct
23:42:12AlexPSo what is your point?
23:42:23webguest93thats why i asked when stable r-box planned to be out for classic
23:42:29webguest93b/c ipod6-7g
23:42:33webguest93is still unstable
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23:42:40AlexPI'm not talking about that
23:42:50AlexP[21:55:50] <webguest93> looks like there is a typo in rockbox daily releases
23:43:00webguest93Unusable ports Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players, but much remains before they are usable: iPod Classic
23:43:02AlexPI was just pointing out that the daily builds aren't releases
23:43:20AlexPalso:
23:43:25AlexP[22:01:05] <webguest93> thanks for clearing things up amayer_ giving a try last stable from http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod6g/
23:43:29webguest93nevermind. i already using it for a 2 years almost
23:43:41AlexPI was making sure you knew that the daily builds are not stable, nor are they releases
23:43:48AlexPSo that you didn't expect them to be
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23:44:02webguest93this is quite stable, except all nice staff like themes multi-boot etc
23:44:17AlexPargh!
23:44:21webguest93heh. sure i know
23:44:27gevaerts"stable" in software does not mean the same as in furniture
23:44:52webguest93sorry. than its typo on rockbox.org :)
23:45:01AlexPwhat?
23:45:02webguest93stable do means stable.
23:45:17CtcpIgnored 6 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 18 seconds at the last flood
23:45:17*AlexP gives up
23:45:25gevaertsAll right. If you want to play it that way, stable means a place where cows live
23:45:47webguest93its should be in trunk branch otherwise :)
23:45:51AlexPwhat?
23:45:54webguest93ok nevermind im kiding
23:45:57AlexPoh
23:45:59AlexPvery funny
23:49:19webguest93sorry - my typo - giving a try last stable from http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipod6g/ should be read as up-to-date release :)
23:49:31AlexPIt isn't a release
23:49:42AlexPAnd it isn't up-to-date
23:49:53AlexPIf you want most recent, you want the dev build
23:50:05AlexPThe daily build is just a dev build done at a specific time of day
23:50:05webguest93well alex
23:52:00webguest93i tought dev builds get puhsed once a day. should i grab source from trunk or it already giziped somewhere few times per day?
23:52:14AlexPThere is a new dev build on every source change
23:52:52webguest93great to know this. where can i get it?
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23:53:18AlexPhttp://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
23:54:17webguest93great. same link as above. i just didn't know you building public zip everytime source code changes made
23:54:22webguest93this is really amazing

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