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#rockbox log for 2013-01-14

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00:07:30[Saint]darkdoomer: Am I to assume the lack of complaint or comment means the binary is working as intended?
00:07:47darkdoomerso far so good <3
00:07:54[Saint]Awesome.
00:08:23darkdoomeryou should submit that fix to the main, i'm sure a lot of iriver users will enjoy it - at least those affected by this bug
00:08:55[Saint]It wouldn't ever get into HEAD> Disabling the remote for this is a very ugly "fix".
00:09:02darkdoomerall that because some codes about the battery discharged matched with the vol_up code
00:09:34darkdoomerokay, just now it exists !
00:10:33darkdoomerkeep testing the machine and it haven't did it anymore, it does usually after a few tracks
00:11:37darkdoomerwhat do you use to compile it out of curiosity ? i have zero knowledge when it comes to programming, i usually bring out a cross and scream things in latin.
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00:11:58darkdoomerhi stoffel !
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00:12:04[Saint]http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
00:13:02darkdoomerokay it's exclusively on linux~ eee.
00:15:36[Saint]s/linux/unix-like environment/
00:16:01[Saint]There are ready-to-run virtual machine images available, as well
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00:25:31[Saint]darkdoomer: check your PM
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00:59:35darkdoomerthanks again for everything, Saint !
00:59:42darkdoomersalut lebellium !
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01:00:23[Saint]Not a problem
01:00:25lebelliumHi :) if you wanna speak french with me, you'll have to do it in private :)
01:00:39darkdoomeryeah good idea.
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01:18:42[Saint]JdGordon: what does %x need an identifier?
01:18:59[Saint]*s/what/why/
01:19:03JdGordon?
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01:19:21JdGordondoes it?
01:19:35[Saint]%x, for the backdrop == "load and display", it needn't be "%xl'd, but it requires an identifer.
01:19:59[Saint]sorry, it isn't exclusively for backdrops
01:20:04[Saint]that's just what I'm using it for.
01:20:23JdGordonhmm, it doesnt
01:20:34JdGordonbut changing that will break themes
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01:20:52JdGordonit will be pretty complicated to change that and keep backwards compat
01:21:33[Saint]It says it is required if you want to later reference the image with %xd, but, that's what %xl is for.
01:21:44[Saint]and, yes, I imagine it would be difficult/impossible.
01:21:54[Saint]I just wondered why it required an identifier.
01:22:40JdGordoni dont have a local checkout so cant check, but it probably isnt required at all
01:22:53JdGordonfile a bug and remind me :)
01:23:08JdGordonI want to redo the usb screen tonight if SWMBO lets
01:24:51*JdGordon lols at the TODO:'s in the usb screen
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01:26:07JdGordon. /* TODO: Paint buttons on screens OR switch to point mode and use 251 * touchscreen as a touchpad to move the host's mouse cursor */
01:39:30JdGordon[Saint]: did you see my reply to the usb screen bug?
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02:35:23[Saint]JdGordon: Album art is broken when viewports are flipped via %ax
02:35:35[Saint]cabbiev2 shows this when set to hebrew
02:35:47[Saint](giving you an example you can read ;))
02:36:13*[Saint] will file a proper bug report when he gets home
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02:37:02JdGordonbroken how?
02:37:11[Saint]It doesn't display
02:37:34JdGordonBS :D
02:37:41[Saint]I figure if you have a DAP on your person you'll be able to verify this pretty easily.
02:37:54JdGordonyou're making me learn hebrew :p
02:38:15[Saint]I thought you *knew* enough hebrew to navigate Rb? :)
02:38:33JdGordonhmm, how odd!
02:38:52JdGordonthe hebrew font we ship is le crap :)
02:38:54JdGordonbut yes, i can
02:39:11*[Saint] assumes you can see the missing AA?
02:39:23JdGordonand WHAT THE FUCK? the scroll wheel is backwards in RTL
02:39:25JdGordonthats just fucking wrong
02:39:30[Saint]errr....you know what I mean. :)
02:40:09[Saint]Whaoh....
02:40:24[Saint]The scrollwheel doesn't even *work* in the sim when in RTL
02:40:46*[Saint] has just recently started using the sim again
02:40:51*JdGordon checks the off to see what they do
02:41:31JdGordonthe of doesnt support hebrew :p
02:41:33[Saint]It does kinda make some sense.
02:41:44[Saint](to revert the scroll direction, I mean)
02:41:52[Saint]*reverse
02:42:18[Saint]Hmmmm, yes, it does make sense.
02:42:33[Saint]It seems non-obvious, but, I think this is the "right" behavior
02:42:52JdGordonim checking
02:44:29JdGordonyeah, maybe it is correct
02:44:34JdGordonfile a bug for the aa thing thoguh
02:45:04[Saint]If I was going to put on my speculation hat I would say that AA *is* being displayed but it is OOB.
02:46:36JdGordonmaybe
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06:45:37[Saint]gevaerts: JdGordon: Since you guys are the skinned list experts, I wonder, if you can tell me, is there a test I can make that would tell me whether or not a given entry (directory or setting) has a subdirectory or sub-menu?
06:46:06JdGordonyou could go by the icon value but that is not guarenteed to be correct
06:46:08JdGordonso, no
06:46:11*[Saint] wants to implement the only missing feature of iLike the:
06:46:18[Saint]Files >
06:46:20[Saint]thing.
06:46:44[Saint]y'know how the Apple OF has the > on the right hand side of an entry that has sub-entries>
06:46:49[Saint]*?
06:48:38[Saint]JdGordon: how would I test for the icon number of a given entry? (and I assume I'd need to use %?if and a bunch of %or's?)
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06:50:06[Saint]iLike Video is *soooooooooo* close to the OF it isn;t funny now.
06:53:32[Saint]I just need to make a skinned list to step out the menu entries from the side of the screen a little (I can't use a UI viewport to do this because the line selector needs to extend from the full left to the full right of the screen)
06:56:27JdGordon[Saint]: %LI i tihnk?
06:57:13[Saint]Aha, right.
06:59:26JdGordondepeneds on your donation size, I could be persuaded to add an actually tag to check this instead..... :)
06:59:54*[Saint] is trying to figure out where the flying fudge skinned lists is documented.
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07:00:10[Saint]Either I'm blind, or, this escaped both the wiki and the manual?
07:00:28[Saint]s/blind/blind and/or hopeless at providing search terms/
07:01:38JdGordonwouldn't surprise me
07:02:37[Saint]Ah, I was searching for "skinned"
07:02:39*JdGordon really needs to finish https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AET-fqpBw8I5PzVdt_9DnxLwWkDNL2GQzHi-4gDvJ-I/edit#heading=h.9ojjkosfv89l and then get someone to TeX it for inclusion as a stand alone manual
07:03:02[Saint]Seems it escaped the manual, but not the wiki.
07:06:21[Saint]Hum...
07:06:28*[Saint] is syntactically fucked.
07:07:13[Saint]How would I do a comparison against multiple icon numbers? Is this even possible?
07:07:24JdGordonyes, but you wont like it
07:07:33[Saint]I thought it might be possible with %if %LI and %or, but...I can't work it out.
07:08:31[Saint]I need to do "if the current icon is foo, bar, or baz, do stuff now, otherwise don't"
07:09:38JdGordon%?or(%if(%LI, =, <directory), %if(%LI, =, <submenu>)<show submenu thing>
07:11:31[Saint]And I can pack an arbitrary number of %if conditions into the %or condition I gather?
07:12:04JdGordoni tihnk so
07:13:19JdGordonyep, code says yes
07:14:26[Saint]Hum, shit. Nope. Can't do it like that.
07:14:53JdGordonwhy not?
07:15:49[Saint]because I'm going to need to print the menu entry by hand so I can right align the ">" and allow the line selector to cover it.
07:16:17*[Saint] recalls now why he never did this in the past.
07:16:23[Saint]pretty sure I gave up :)
07:17:11JdGordonerrr
07:19:04[Saint]Oh, hmmmm.
07:30:32[Saint]Fuuuuuckkkkkkkk!
07:30:46[Saint]I canNOT work this skinned list shit out. :-S
07:31:19[Saint]The syntax seems totally non-obvious to me.
07:31:55[Saint]Lets look at the wiki example:
07:31:55[Saint]%?cs<%Lb(a,100,20)|>
07:31:55[Saint]%V(0,0,10,-,1)%Vf(aabbcc)
07:31:55DBUGEnqueued KICK [Saint]
07:31:55[Saint]%?LB<%LB(0,0,10,185, invert)>
07:31:55[Saint]%Vi(-,10,0,-,-35,1)
07:31:57[Saint]%Vl(a,5,5,160,12,1)
07:31:59[Saint]%s%?Lc<%Vg(00ffaa, ff0000, 000000)%Vs(gradient)%>%>%>%ac>zzzzzzz %LT zzzzz%s%?Lc<%ar%<%<%<>
07:32:01[Saint]%V(0,185,-,-,1)
07:32:04[Saint]%s%LT
07:32:14[Saint]...how the hell does %Vl work when there is no %Vd called?
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07:35:18[Saint]JdGordon: does %Lb replace %Vl in this instance?
07:35:31[Saint]s/%Vl/%Vd/
07:35:33JdGordontrying to remember how it works :)
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07:35:43*[Saint] summons gevaerts
07:35:59JdGordonhe wont be round for a few hours probably still
07:36:36JdGordon%LB(a ....) says, "use viewport 'a' for the list items viewport
07:37:04JdGordoncome up with a better syntax and I'll change ti and break compat
07:38:13[Saint]From what I can see...%Lb defines the offset (from the UI viewport), and if %Lb is true...it replaced %Vd and says "use this ID and fit as many as you can stacked in the UI viewport"?
07:38:22[Saint]Ah, ok...yep, snap.
07:39:19[Saint]Right, ok. I think I can do this.
07:40:09*[Saint] did some very fancy things with skinned lists upon implementation but apparently his bastard brain decided it wasn't important to remember
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07:42:07VimkI have a sansa clip+ with a dead power button, I've installed rockbox but have no way of rebooting into it. Short of opening the device and removing the battery is there another way to hard reboot it?
07:42:57VimkI've tried draining the battery completely but the default firmware auto-sleeps after a certain battery level
07:43:24[Saint]The battery will drain eventually.
07:43:49[Saint]And, no, there is no other way to boot/reboot the device.
07:44:15Vimkunfortunate
07:44:20[Saint]Rockbox also doesn't (if I recall) wake from an arbitrary button press.
07:44:34VimkI've been using usb to wake the device
07:44:36[Saint]The only way to boot the device if it powers down is with you (broken) power button.
07:44:44Vimkwish there were some way to get a shell over usb
07:44:45[Saint]Ahhhh, nice.
07:44:56*[Saint] forgot about USb wake.
07:45:16Vimkshort of resoldering the power button it's all I can do to wake it
07:45:40Vimkor just cave and drop another 30 dollars on one
07:45:47Vimkthis one was a donation
07:48:13[Saint]If you don't want to open the device, it will take a few days to drain the battery completely.
07:48:36VimkI've opened it already
07:48:49Vimkjust wanted to avoid doing so again since the plastic is so soft
07:49:30Vimkhere goes nothing, I suppose
07:50:53VimkI really dislike electronics held together with clips
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07:55:36Vimkdamn, battery is soldered to the board
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08:07:46Vimkhad to depress the power button from inside the device
08:07:54Vimkworking now though, thanks for the input
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08:26:07[Saint]Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
08:26:14[Saint]Awesome.
08:26:20[Saint]Thankyou, JdGordon.
08:26:44[Saint]This is so damn close to the OF it is disturbing.
08:27:54*[Saint] will put up some screenshots when he gets the logic to guess when there should be a sub-menu available ">" thing
08:28:04[Saint]+right
08:28:31[Saint]For now, every entry has one...but I just wanted to get the alignment and gradient done right.
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08:44:21JdGordon[Saint]: so you figured it out?
08:44:38[Saint]kinda, yeah.
08:45:07[Saint]the logic to decide what is a submenu/folder is a bit hack, though.
08:45:38[Saint]Hmmmmm....can I compare to the text of a given list item?
08:45:43JdGordonsure
08:45:45[Saint]I guess so, right?
08:45:46JdGordonbut you dont want to
08:45:48[Saint]Cool.
08:46:21[Saint]I think I do. Otherwise, both "Plugins" and "a .rock file" will have the ">" applied.
08:46:44[Saint]If I decide when to apply the ">" based solely on the current icon.
08:46:57JdGordonyeah, well, using the icons is obviously not going to work well :)
08:47:13JdGordonyou can use the %cs and icon to get a better idea of where you are
08:50:15[Saint]like "%or(%?cs<%if(foo,=,baz),%if(foo,=,baz)|%if(foo,=,baz),%if(foo,=,baz)||||...>)"?
08:50:34[Saint]Oh, no.
08:50:37[Saint]Right, got it.
08:51:05JdGordonfuck we need to switch to lua :p
08:51:07[Saint]%or wrapped in %cs, not the other was around.
08:51:19[Saint]*way
08:51:32JdGordon%or(a,b) == (a || b)
08:52:05[Saint]wha?
08:53:09JdGordonan attempt to help explain how the tag works
08:53:53[Saint]Ahhhh, right.
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09:06:48[Saint]Sooooooooooooooooooo close
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09:12:49[Saint]If it wasn't for the menu structure...you would never guess.
09:13:05[Saint]Behold, iLike Video: http://imgur.com/LMZB2
09:14:29[Saint]JdGordon: ^ :)
09:16:41JdGordonnot falling for that again!
09:16:53[Saint]Hah
09:16:53JdGordon... change the manu structure :)
09:17:14JdGordon2 seperate viewports for the arrow and text?
09:17:52[Saint]Nup, left aligned list title and right aligned > wrapped in a monstrous condition.
09:18:10JdGordonor yes, forgot you can do that
09:18:12JdGordoneasy peasy
09:18:20[Saint]with the lists drawing the gradient for the line selector
09:19:53[Saint]It just occurred to me that I could mimic the OF menu structure exactly with you menu editing .cfg
09:20:05[Saint]*that* would be rather devilish
09:20:23JdGordon19:16 <JdGordon> ... change the manu structure :)
09:26:41[Saint]Now I've done the 5G port, I am more willing to take on te challenge of a 6/6.5/7G port
09:27:42[Saint]I think the only thing I won't be able to do is the "scrubbing" progress bar, the rating bar, and the album art animation in the main menu.
09:28:03JdGordonAA animation?
09:28:07[Saint]I can have the album art in the main menu, but I don't think I'll be able to animate it like the OF does.
09:28:54[Saint]In the Classic OF when you're playing audio the main menu shrinks a little and pans and scans across the current album art image.
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09:30:20[Saint]like this: http://lh4.ggpht.com/brentevansonline/RxNrlc7jX3I/AAAAAAAAB7I/GXkHQQeEExA/ipod%5B4%5D.png
09:30:52[Saint]sorry, actually, it animates when you're *not* playing audio, but the "Music" option is selected.
09:31:21[Saint]I can definitely do the static AA version when audio is playing.
09:52:08JdGordonhow bad would it be to remove the usb logo from the usb screen?
09:52:26JdGordonand have it just say "USB Connected.... HID Mode: <foo> enabled"
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10:11:20[Saint]JdGordon: I wouldn't care in the slightest.
10:12:19*[Saint] is annoyed by the database scan/commit dialogue
10:12:22*JdGordon is prepping th eusb screen for skinning
10:12:34[Saint]why does it jump around so much?!?
10:12:34JdGordon%bu is being "deprecated".. enter %up
10:12:43JdGordonbecuase the line lengths are not static
10:12:44[Saint]It's so damn distracting.
10:13:15[Saint]Couldn;t the popup just be as wide as the screen is from the get go? instead of trying to resize dynamically and looking like a bag of ass?
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10:13:44[Saint]If you don;t have fixed width numerals, it looks like a bag of shit.
10:15:34[Saint]JdGordon: any idea where I need to look to do that?
10:15:46[Saint]I seem to recall it was you that added the current behaviour.
10:16:29[Saint]Another way to do it would be to make the popup 2 lines, and have the digit count on the bottom line with both lines centered text.
10:17:29[Saint]I realize that one doesn't commit the database often, but, when I do the jumping around and the ghost of the popup as it dynamically resizes annoys the crap out of me.
10:18:02[Saint]There's three possible fixes I can think of:
10:18:25[Saint]1 - figure out why the "ghost" of the popup isn;t cleared from the screen and kill it
10:18:44[Saint]2 - make the popup as large as it will ever be immediately so it doesn;t need to resize.
10:19:05JdGordonif 1 was trivial it would have been fixed years ago :)
10:19:06JdGordonwe tried
10:19:24[Saint]3 - put the commit notice and the count on two seperate lines (the amount of tracks is unlikely to excede the number of digits in the commit notice)
10:20:27[Saint]Do you think 2 or 3 are acceptable fixes? If so, is there a preference?
10:20:45[Saint]iiuc, every target can display at least 2 lines of text, no?
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10:26:16JdGordonnot guarenteed
10:27:03[Saint]Ah, hum, yes. I suppose you could be using a 60pt userfont...
10:27:38[Saint]but, in those cases, the popup wouldn't likely fit onscreen anyway, regardless of how it was implemented.
10:27:53[Saint]the dynamic resizing behaviour is just *really* annoying.
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11:11:21JdGordondo any targets not have usb?
11:13:33[Saint]....uuuuuuuhm.
11:13:43gevaertsDefine "have usb" :)
11:13:48[Saint]RaaAoA
11:14:06[Saint]RaaA in general?
11:14:44gevaertsDepends. Is YP-R0 RaaA? :)
11:15:02JdGordonerr, usb charging, and usb mode
11:15:10JdGordonwhich #define's do i go for
11:15:32[Saint]gevaerts: In this instance, I think it would be defined as "Rockbox should be/is handing USB"
11:15:47[Saint]And, yes, the YP-RO is an exception.
11:15:50gevaertsIn that case, yes
11:16:25gevaertsI don't know off-hand exactly which ones, but some targets have USB but can't charge from it
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11:16:59[Saint]I don't think charging is relevant here.
11:17:05[Saint]Only mounting/HID
11:17:14JdGordonalso, how do i check if usb is connected in any chape or form
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11:18:48JdGordonadding skin support to usb screen
11:18:53JdGordonso need to add some tags
11:18:57gevaertsAh, right
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11:20:26JdGordonI'm adding %up - usb powered (to replace/duplicate/deprecate %bu), %uc - usb connected, %uh - usb hid mode, %ud - usb disk mode
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11:20:52gevaertsHm
11:21:43gevaertsWhat does "usb hid mode" mean exactly? Technically we're doing hid (on targets that support it) for charge-only connections
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11:23:32JdGordonwhich keypad mode i guess
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11:23:49gevaertsAh, ok
11:23:56JdGordonto go with keypad_mode_name_get()
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11:24:23gevaertsHm, does %ud mean this won't be just a separate screen in %cs?
11:26:51JdGordonit will be, but %ud will be enough to know if its usb screen or not
11:26:54[Saint]Not neccessarily.
11:26:56JdGordonor is that redundant?
11:27:09JdGordon%ud was more for mtp (if we ever get it) / msc mode select
11:27:12[Saint]%cs can have any number of additions tagged onto it without breaking anything.
11:27:31gevaertsI'd worry about mtp when we have it, to be honest
11:28:11gevaertsmsc *needs* a separate screen IMO. Technically we could allow FM during USB connections, but that's it, and I think it's not worth the complexity
11:28:32[Saint]Hum....what about situation when the device *was* connected via USB, but was unmounted?
11:28:42[Saint]At the moment, we stay in the USB screen there.
11:29:40*gevaerts thinks unmount as such is *not* good enough to leave the USB screen, and he isn't sure exactly how the various "eject" things work
11:29:56gevaertsWell, we can't detect unmount as such, so that's a moot point :)
11:30:06JdGordongevaerts: doesnt mtp allow usb to work in the background?
11:30:40JdGordonbut fair enough, i'll remove it for now
11:30:58gevaertsJdGordon: yes. That's (part of) the point :)
11:31:12JdGordonso its just "usb powered", "usb connected" and "usb hid mode"
11:31:36gevaerts[Saint]: if we ever detect eject properly, we should leave the USB screen on that
11:31:51gevaertsSo that shouldn't add extra state
11:32:01*[Saint] nods
11:32:06[Saint]just curious.
11:33:21gevaertsI suspect a themable USB screen means we need to make sure none of the tags cause disk access. I suspect the best way to do that is at the source, i.e. not in the theme engine itself.
11:33:55gevaertse.g. the font system could return a default glyph (or the corresponding sysfont glyph?) if it would need disk access to get at the proper one
11:35:15[Saint]well, if USb is connected...we won't be doing playback, so you could dump the entire font into RAM before switching, no?
11:35:45gevaertsYes and no. The screen might be using seven unifont-sized fonts
11:36:18[Saint]Hum, good point.
11:36:30JdGordoni force unload all fonts so that shouldnt be an issue
11:36:52[Saint]userfont for the USb screen would be nice, though.
11:36:57[Saint]I bloody hate sysfont.
11:37:06[Saint]and on some targets it is literally impossible to read.
11:37:12JdGordonotherwise we have to handle disk accessing fonts very carefully, but none do that yet
11:37:33*[Saint] wonders why he keeps typing USb
11:37:44gevaertsSounds good for now. We can think about nicer fonts later
11:37:54[Saint]Oh, sure.
11:44:32pixelmathe Ondios don't charge from USB but can run powered from USB
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12:45:27wodzAny opinions about g#380 ?
12:45:30fs-bluebotGerrit review #380 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/380 : gif viewer: remove max frames count constraint by Marcin Bukat (changes/80/380/1)
12:55:52JdGordongevaerts: [Saint]: g#382
12:55:54fs-bluebotGerrit review #382 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/382 : Use the skin engine to draw the usb screen via the SBS by Jonathan Gordon (changes/82/382/1)
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13:01:11JdGordonthe default is pretty ugly, but im going to try getting the compiled in bmp get displayed
13:02:19wodzJdGordon: could you add some example in comment?
13:05:55[Saint]Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh FUUUUUCK!
13:06:19[Saint]Well, that's annoying. I spent ages trying to debug what was going on there.
13:06:45[Saint]%LI always == -1 for any list item if icons aren't displayed.
13:07:21[Saint]whereas, I thought it would still give the icon number that the lsit item *would* get, if they *were* displayed.
13:07:27kugelJdGordon: what if the sbs doesnt provide the tags to draw the usb screen?
13:10:02[Saint]What even *is* %bu to be replaced?
13:10:10[Saint]It isn;t documented anywhere...
13:11:46kugelgood question
13:15:57JdGordonwodz: im not done yet...
13:16:09JdGordonkugel: the screen will be empty
13:16:22JdGordon%bu is "usb charging"
13:16:53wodzJdGordon: it should fall back to something instead of empty screen
13:17:13wodzIt could be plain text doesn't matter but MUST inidcate the state
13:17:35*[Saint] wonders how many more tags live in the source that he is entirely unaware of
13:18:22[Saint]as far as I knew, nothing of the sort of %bu existed. And the docs support this theory.
13:19:07JdGordonwodz: well, we have no idea if the sbs will have the required tags or not
13:19:39wodzJdGordon: so we should sanitize the situation and check in case of going to usb screen
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13:21:30JdGordonwodz: that isnt possible
13:22:29wodzso the concept is fundamentally broken IMO
13:23:16wodzIts like after deleting .wps you get blank screen when playing.
13:23:26*[Saint] wonders why it wouldn't be possible to check if a given theme file 0wps/fms/sbs doesn't have/does have an arbitrary tag
13:23:42[Saint]isn't that the entire concept of the skin parser? :)
13:25:27wodzand btw. why stretching sbs instead of adding uss/usbs/whatever ?
13:26:09JdGordonthe sbs is fine
13:26:22[Saint]realistically, the .sbs is the only file needed.
13:26:34[Saint]it can do the job of .fms/wps/etc.
13:27:25wodzI know, but this makes it unclear what wps/fms/sbs actually are
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13:28:05[Saint]kinda, possibly.
13:28:27[Saint]Perhaps it just seems obvious to me because themeing is my area.
13:28:49[Saint]...actually, that's almost a certainty. So, hum.
13:30:25wodzAs I understand the situation sbs is sort of overlay you can put on top of other screen (themed with wps/fms).
13:30:25JdGordonwhatever, getting it working first, then we can argue
13:31:27*[Saint] wants to make it clear that he isn't arguing
13:35:35[Saint]wodz: it used to be this way, now, the lines are very blurred.
13:36:13[Saint]A theme requires a dummy .wps for some_reason I can't quite gather, but everything can be done in the .sbs now.
13:37:01*JdGordon grumbles at images not displaying
13:37:37[Saint]I only use .fms/.wps so I can lessen the amount of conditions needed, but an .sbs-only theme is entirely possible
13:38:33[Saint]I use the .sbs to draw anything that is duplicated among the common screens, and the .fms/.wps to draw items that occur only in those states
13:40:18wodzright, so why not make it consistent and add usbs on top of which one can add sbs to split theme files nicely?
13:40:44JdGordonthats very overkill for it
13:41:00wodzmake it something logical is overkill?
13:41:46[Saint]No reason to start making the theme language logical /now/ ;)
13:43:04wodzno reason to make it even less logical either
13:44:20[Saint]I do see your point...but we are already using the .sbs in the USb screen, so it doesn't seem like much of a leap.
13:45:03wodzwe use sbs to display *common* indicators like disk access icon, time etc.
13:46:11[Saint]right, "we" do, "they" (being users) use it for a whole lot more.
13:47:01[Saint]actually...do we even use an .sbs for cabbie?
13:47:25[Saint]I know my ports do, not sure about git HEAD
13:47:25wodzyou ask me :P
13:48:29JdGordononly the inbuilt fallback
13:48:42[Saint]We only use it to draw the statusbar, and only for the fallback
13:49:29[Saint]iiuc the "real" statusbar is hardcoded.
13:50:31kugelyes, an empty usb screen is broken
13:51:02JdGordon%x is no worky :/
13:51:22kugeland forcing usb screen design upon all themes is bad. there should be some fallback
13:51:47[Saint]Ahhhhhh...so *that* is why my attemps to draw into the background buffer with an included backdrop was fuckign up.
13:52:16[Saint]I just though tI was tired and blind.
13:52:23[Saint]Good to know, but, also...suck.
13:56:30kugelI'm not sure why the usb screen must be made themable now
13:56:57kugelthere's a bug with the usb screen, but is there any demand to make it themable? I'm sure the bug can be fixed without this
13:57:47[Saint]It doesn't make any sense that it isn;t themeable to me.
13:58:04JdGordon[Saint]: well, i dont know if %x is broken or not, bu its not immediatly working for me
13:58:09[Saint]No, it needn't be done *right now*, and no, it needn't be done to fix a bug.
13:58:26JdGordonkugel: because its ugly and everything should be themeable
13:58:28[Saint]...but, it is the only screen left outside of full themeable control.
13:58:36wodzkugel: I think the origin was the discussion about 1) animation in usbscreen 2) custom 'usb connected' icon
13:58:51kugel[Saint]: that's wrong. there are many themes that cannot be themed
13:58:54wodzand themeing this is about right way to make everyone happy
13:58:56kugelmany screens*
13:59:01[Saint]such as?
13:59:17kugelrecording, eq, color picker, ...
13:59:29[Saint]recoding can be themed.
13:59:42JdGordonnot fully
13:59:52JdGordonkugel: thats not an argument against themeing it thoug
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14:00:05[Saint]it just does its own shit in the UI viewport. It can still be themed.
14:00:19[Saint]everything outside of the UI viewport is yours.
14:00:23kugelyou can put a rec-centric sbs around it but the core will still be displayed within the %Vi viewport
14:00:44kugelthe same is true for the usbscreen
14:01:01[Saint]Right, so, obviously it should stay that way?
14:02:04JdGordonthe same is not true for the usb screen
14:02:20kugelI'm not against making it themable, but against a broken design that results in an empty screen if no usb tags are used
14:02:53[Saint]Are we going to give him a chance, or, shoot him in the foot for trying?
14:03:04[Saint]History suggests the latter, but, lets not.
14:05:21JdGordonwtf? didnt I change the skin enginge so it draws images immediatly instead of at the end of the viewport?
14:06:18wodzJdGordon: I vaguely remember you reverted the change
14:06:26JdGordonbother :p
14:12:10JdGordon[Saint]: no, %x works fine
14:12:30[Saint]Hummm...
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14:23:41JdGordonupdated so it shows the usb built in logo and not look too terrible
14:23:45JdGordonand now, bed time
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15:44:17codename-nosrockbox skips files instead of playing them
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15:44:55[Saint]codename-nos: please test with http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/lame_320.mp3
15:45:28[Saint]if that plays, we'll try to work out what is wrong with your media
15:48:28codename-nos[Saint], nope. it skeeps the file
15:49:21[Saint]Apparently you messed up the installation somehow.
15:49:57[Saint]Please extract http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip to the root of the device.
15:50:18[Saint]it is important you extact it to the root of the device, not copy and paste, but extract.
15:50:43[Saint]If prompted to allow files to be overwritten, allow all.
15:51:35[Saint]I have an iPod Classic 160GB in my hands this very instant playing the same test file..so I do know it works.
15:51:59codename-nosreplaced it
15:52:43[Saint]safely eject and load the new binary when prompted
15:52:56[Saint]then try again to play the test file
15:53:02codename-nos[Saint], nothing promped ...
15:54:14[Saint]I have a feeling you are not extracting the binary to the root of the device correctly.
15:55:25codename-noswell i went to boot menu and then reset the whole thing now it prompted
15:56:03[Saint]And, as for playback status? How goes it?
15:56:16codename-nosworing now !!
15:56:22codename-nosworking*
15:56:23[Saint]Aweome.
15:56:28codename-nossorry i m am little stoned
15:56:42codename-noslol
15:57:04amayer_[Saint]: did you try my code yet?
15:57:36codename-nosthe fime lame_320 doesnt play .. but my media does
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16:09:50[Saint]that is very odd.
16:10:14[Saint]The Classic is perfectly capable of playing mp3 @ 320 CBR
16:10:31[Saint]it can do it in ~13.5MHz in fact
16:10:57codename-nosi know.. my led zepplin collection is in 320 bit and it still plays
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16:36:19[Saint][7]: ping?
16:36:52[Saint][7]: (logs) Have you noticed the Classic doesn't detect the charger?
16:37:23[Saint]It definitely charges, but, my charging animation is non-functional.
16:37:58[Saint]Sorry, to be more precise, it *does* detect the charger is inserted...but, it doesn't detect that it is charging.
16:39:32[Saint]Ohhhh....hum, it isn't drawing enough to keep it from discharging with the screen on.
16:39:45[Saint]My mistake.
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17:01:22Cultistafter putting rockbox on an ipod 5g, is it normal for it to be recognized as an ipod on the computer?
17:01:40CultistI'm having a ton of trouble making amarok sync to it because it wants to reinitialize it
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17:15:13funmanCultist: yes it is normal
17:15:32Cultistso how do you get around it?
17:15:47Cultistshould I tell it to initialize?
17:15:59funmanfirst, blame amarok people
17:16:26Cultistalready doing it.
17:16:38funmanand then.. i don't know if there is an option to change the USB vid:pid
17:17:00gevaertsThere isn't, unless you want to build yourself
17:17:11AlexPTo change the ones Rockbox uses, you'd need to edit the source and recompile
17:17:19AlexPNi idea if Amarok can be told to ignore them
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17:20:17[Saint]Cultist: sync in EDM?
17:20:24[Saint](Emergency Disk Mode)
17:20:58Cultisthow do I access that?
17:21:19[Saint]menu+select 'til reboot; select+play
17:21:31Cultistand it won't negatively affect the installation?
17:21:45[Saint]That _should_ appear as a mass storage device.
17:21:47[Saint]And, no.
17:21:52gevaerts[Saint]: will that change anything?
17:21:57Cultistwell lets find out
17:22:09[Saint]gevaerts: it depends what Amarok is freaking out about.
17:22:17gevaertsI suspect the lack of ipod database
17:22:19[Saint]It may be freaking out at the lack of an iTunes db
17:22:34gevaertsIn which case letting it create one should be harmless anyway
17:23:10[Saint]unless you want to be able to just drag & drop your media off the iPod.
17:23:33[Saint]the iTunes db is totally unnavigable by humans
17:23:35gevaertsDepends
17:23:41gevaertsWell, no
17:23:53gevaertsThe iTunes db is a database
17:24:02[Saint]There are apps out there that can de-Itunesify the iTunes db
17:24:07Cultistamarok is refusing to open now
17:24:12Cultistblah
17:24:17Cultistgoing to reboot and see if it will work
17:24:23gevaertsamarok updating that doesn't necessarily imply it will also use the usual itunes file structure
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17:25:06AlexPCultist: Do you want to be able to navigate by directory structure (and easily copy stuff on/off the ipod), or do you want to use the Rockbox database and have the files in their obfuscated itunes-manor on disk?
17:25:17AlexPgevaerts: I think you have to with remotely recent apple firmware
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17:26:35[Saint]You could always steal the vid:pid from a USB thumb drive and recompile.
17:26:44[Saint]But for some that may be non-trivial.
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17:36:40CultistI really want to destroy this ipod
17:36:46Cultistthese things are nothing but trouble
17:40:29[Saint]You can send it my way instead. :)
17:40:46*[Saint] runs an iPod rehabilitation centre
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20:23:10webguest29Bricked my sansa fuze+ got it in recovery mode,tried loading recovery firmware but got :-./sbloader 1024 recovery.sb Found a match for 066f:3780 Transfer size: 1024 libusb:warning [libusb_control_transfer] unrecognised status code 1 transfer error at init step
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20:26:09webguest29fuze+ Went black screen after testing the frequency scaling build.
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20:26:51gevaertswebguest29: I suspect you'll have to wait for pamaury to appear
20:27:02pamauryi'm hear !
20:27:16pamauryhere
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20:27:35pamaurywebguest29: how did you "brick" your fuze+ exactly ?
20:28:18webguest29it went black screen after unplugging usb was the scaling build
20:28:34pamaurywhat happen if you boot normally ?
20:29:35webguest29cant boot normally even if i do the long hold on top button, screen just stays black
20:30:27webguest29built sbloader and the recovery image, but the transfer fails
20:31:06pamaurydoes it show something at least and goes black after or just stays black ? Did you try to boot into the OF by holding volume down ?
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20:32:38webguest29yes tried to boot into OF, wonder if i should desolder the battery.
20:33:07pamauryno no, don't do that, it doesn't boot into the OF ?
20:33:59webguest29doesn't boot into OF screen remains black, wonder why the sbloader transfer fails?
20:34:28pamaurythere is a problem with some recent linux that make sbloader doesn't work because the usbhid driver confuses the device, there is a work around but it's ugly
20:35:33webguest29ok i'll give it a shot.
20:35:59pamauryOk, I find it really suspicious that you managed to brick the device with touching the bootloader but let's admit that. To make sbloader work again, first try this: as root, create /etc/modprobe.d/usbhid.conf and write this in it: "options usbhid quirks=0x066f:0x3780:0x0004"
20:36:19pamaurythis should prevent usbhid from trying to touch the device
20:37:04pamaurythis might require a reboot
20:37:30pamauryor if you manage to, you can unload usbhid, and then reload it this way: "modprobe usbhid quirks=0x066f:0x3780:0x0004"
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20:38:07pamaury(of course beware than unloading usbhid will kill you mouse and usb keyboard plugged ^^)
20:38:22webguest29ok i'll try that, thanks for now..
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20:56:19pamauryactually the problem of sbloader not working has been fixed in the very recent kernels with this quirk being included but some kernels don't have it obviously
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21:39:07webguest29created .conf, still no luck got "./sbloader 1024 recovery.sb Found a match for 066f:3780 Transfer size: 1024 transfer error at send step 15" will try a kernal update.
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22:59:24webguest29Still no dice with bricked fuze+. I'm guessing "transfer error at send step 15" means sbloader is working, looking like a hardware failure, might try disconnecting the battery to see if it will reset.
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23:32:26RJ45how do I get Rb to update the DB on the crappy SaFu+?
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23:37:28RJ45anyone?
23:38:50RJ45how do I get Rockbox to update the Database on the crappy SansaFuze+?
23:40:18RJ45is anyone alive?
23:43:40RJ45I'll come back in about 10 minutes then.
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