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#rockbox log for 2013-02-10

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00:12:30DmLspecifically the fuze and fuze+ both had uSD slots
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00:54:21JdGordongelraen: you're almost certainly going to need to keep track of indexes as you ue them so everything has the same idea of what's next...
00:54:48JdGordonIIRC playlist_next() gets called from different places, each will get a different track with your current code
00:56:00gelraenerr, playlist_next()? not just get_next_index() ?
00:56:15gelraenholy crap
00:57:22JdGordonerr, where you've put the code
00:57:27*JdGordon is still waking up
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01:01:40gelraenI still wonder why checking for steps==1 fixed all UI problems
01:04:15gelraenbut yeah, next track is still flaky
01:06:01gelraen(and I still don't get why first_index exist)
01:06:49JdGordonok, so what you're doing is compoletly breaking many assumptoins in the UI... i.e in the WPS it is possible to have it display the next Y tracks - which this breaks -
01:07:05JdGordonthe playlist viewer /may/ have problems too
01:07:23JdGordonif it isnt being called with steps==1 what is it getting?
01:09:05gelraenfallthrough to REPEAT_ALL
01:10:32JdGordon?
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01:13:38gelraensame thing as with REPEAT_ALL and all other repeat modes not mentioned explicitly in that switch statement
01:14:11JdGordonno, what does steps equal?
01:15:13gelraenI have no idea :)
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01:17:53gelraensome crossreference engine could be helpful
01:18:30gelraenbut I'm too lazy to setup opengrok after midnight
01:19:47Torneit seems like you are trying to fix a problem you haven't explained very well with a patch we don't understand to code you don't understand ;)
01:19:59Tornei mean, please do try and fix bugs, that's awesome
01:20:11Tornebut it's really not clear what you are doing or what that patch accomplishes
01:20:59gelraenTorne, patch does what it says and what I actually wanted: having next track selected randomly at track change time
01:21:35gelraenand it really does that, at least on my clip+
01:21:48JdGordonbuild the sim and add printf
01:21:51JdGordonor sim+gdb
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01:38:35gelraencrap, it doesn't work through X forwarding
01:38:47gelraenI'll try it tomorrow then
01:38:57gelraenThe date & time is currently: Sunday 10 February 2013 00:38:59
01:39:01gelraenwell, today
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02:47:51[Saint]where does the source for translate.rockbox.org live?
02:50:00gevaertsIn the translate git tree
02:53:09[Saint]Cydia may or may not play stealsies with the super awesome distreibuted translation system we got going.
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03:08:20saratogadv_: were you still interested in opus optimization?
03:08:23saratogaor working on it?
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04:49:45*[Saint] wonders if anyone else has been seeing lockups after unmounting and disconnecting with the Classic
04:49:55[Saint]It seems to be a very recent thing.
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06:44:33JdGordon[Saint]: any ideas on how to remove the horribleness of the various skin files?
06:44:48JdGordonim starting to hate having .sbs and .wps and .fms and and and and and
06:45:12*JdGordon really wishes we had a better way of drawing the UI
06:46:32*[Saint] likes having the .sbs, .wps, .fms, .r* etc.
06:46:59[Saint]I can't see a way you could have the same range of options without having to divide the skin file into silly, arbitrary sections.
06:47:09[Saint]## FMS STARTS NOW
06:47:10[Saint]etc.
06:47:30JdGordonexcept that sucks when we want to add new screens
06:47:40JdGordonalso, the only ones required are .sbs and .wps
06:48:39*[Saint] can't really have this conversation now, bust times.
06:48:43[Saint]back shortly.
06:48:47JdGordonkk
06:48:50[Saint]*busy
06:57:18JdGordonbrain fart time
06:57:58JdGordoni wonder if we shold have a simple listing in a new file which says "draw X file in Y screen"
06:59:19JdGordonI dont know how that would work where the theme exects to overlay one part over the sbs
06:59:30JdGordoni.e a wps in a sbs, but that isnt done much anyway
06:59:32JdGordonhmmmmmm
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07:01:06JdGordonwell, that could be solved by doing the same as now anywhere, instead of it being "the sbs file" it would be "background/default"
07:01:32JdGordonthen we remove the notion of .wps/.sbs/etc... it could all be in one massive file if the themer was insane
07:02:40JdGordoni.e: "base: my_theme_base.skin" "wps: my_theme_wps.skin" "usb: my_theme_extra.skin"
07:02:47JdGordonchoosing defaults becomes interesting
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07:04:12JdGordonthis could be done with minimal RAM usage change because most of them would never be on screen at the same time, so they could be swapped out (which was an origional goal for the new engine when i rewrote it however long ago)
07:06:39*JdGordon would also like to deprecate the ui viewport setting, and some statusbar postiong settings
07:10:35JdGordonthough... the config.cfg is doing just that anyway, so maybe it isnt such a horrible idea putting the usb screen in its own .skin file
07:11:15JdGordoni dont want to add a bunch of strings to the config file though, sucky ram wasters
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07:22:06[Saint]Now, don't get offended...but, is there a reason to change this other than boredom?
07:22:35[Saint]I seem to think it works well currently. what am I missing?
07:26:50JdGordona clean way to add more themeability to screens which cant be done
07:27:07JdGordonusb, splash, dunno what else
07:27:29JdGordoni think an extra file is bad
07:32:14JdGordonIt would be really nice if the entire UI was internally drawn with the skin engine −− of course thats what I've been slowly aiming for for 2 years and not getting anywhere :p
07:32:43JdGordongui/bitmaps/list.c should be a hardcoded skin!
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08:13:16*JdGordon demands we add make targets for "ibn" and "in"!!!! :p
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09:24:31*JdGordon almost has skin swapping working so we can request unlimited skins but use only a limited amount of RAM
09:24:38JdGordonworking
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10:02:38bertrikfunman: there's nothing left to do anymore to declare the clip zip stable, right?
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10:09:24JdGordonwhat would cause playback to decide to only play .5s after being resumed, then next time i go into "resume playback" it works fine... this seems to happen after reloading the wps from disk (which would probably cause buffering to reload)
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11:02:16JdGordonwoo, ok, its a FM bug
11:05:28JdGordonplayback/buffering people... FS #12822
11:05:29fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12822 entering the FM screen causes playback to immediatly stop when you reenter the WPS (bugs, new)
11:05:43JdGordonI suspect it has the same cause as the radioart crash bugs
11:08:00JdGordonaaaaaahhhh fuuuuu... ok, ignore that... stupid git not being where i expected it
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14:06:53JdGordong#400 ... aims to reduce RAM wastage in the skin engine and let us skin more screens... problem though is when the WPS is swapped out (i.e to use the fm skin) playback acts up. FS #12822 has the repro to fix it... if anyone who knows buffering might have an idea?
14:06:53fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12822 entering the FM screen causes playback to immediatly stop when you reenter the WPS (bugs, closed)
14:06:56fs-bluebotGerrit review #400 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/400 : skin_engine: only store a limited number of skins in ram by Jonathan Gordon (changes/00/400/1)
14:09:12funmanbertrik: right, i uploaded g#396
14:09:14fs-bluebotGerrit review #396 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/396 : Clip Zip: promote to stable by Rafaël Carré (changes/96/396/1)
14:09:29JdGordon-1KB ram usage, though most of that delta is from unused struct members, not the swapping
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14:34:35*bluebrother wonders why the bot messages aren't colored anymore
14:34:47bluebrotherworks fine in a query
14:35:35*gevaerts guesses the +c we gained
14:38:04bluebrotherright, after reading up on the freenode website it looks like this
14:40:09AlexPwhy did we add +c? I don't remember anyone abusing it, and I preferred the bot messages with colours
14:40:46*bluebrother has no idea
14:42:23AlexPwell it is easy to remove again :)
14:44:16bluebrotherwhich raises the already asked question why it has been added in the first place :)
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14:56:31soap+c was added so that the channel modes read "cntz", and apt description of the occupants.
14:58:48AlexPsoap: sadly my client reads znct
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15:01:24stripwaxsoap :)
15:01:42funmando we need to wait for 3.13 to commit g#396 ?
15:01:43fs-bluebotGerrit review #396 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/396 : Clip Zip: promote to stable by Rafaël Carré (changes/96/396/1)
15:02:20funmanmpio hd300 change was made on march 10th and 3.11 on april 1st so i guess we can push it now
15:02:38AlexPfunman: please wait
15:03:04AlexPIt is only a couple of weeks and it won't have a stable build until then anyway
15:03:10AlexPSo no reason to confuse anything
15:04:00funmanso wait until a couple of days before release date?
15:04:09AlexPyeah, ideally
15:05:15soapAlexP, :(
15:05:55funmanAlexP: ok thanks
15:07:26gelraenhm, simulator on freebsd shows window and crashes immediately
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15:09:20n1shmm, the manual still refers to "current builds" and SVN in the installation chapter
15:12:43n1si don't have any of the tex stuff installed so if anyone wants to fix that, feel free :)
15:15:30gevaertsAlexP: you were there when the +c was added!
15:15:47AlexPcontributing?
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15:16:34gevaertsIt was added (by scorche) just before http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20121212#23:23:31
15:16:52AlexPaha
15:16:52gevaertsThat guy was abusing colours, possibly in an unknowing way
15:17:04AlexPJust shows what my memory is like
15:17:18AlexPStill, I suspect we can remove it again (for now)
15:18:01*gevaerts nods
15:18:51n1soh, and noone has added opus to the manual either
15:18:58AlexPI guess I can do that as op
15:19:01Mode"#rockbox +o AlexP" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
15:20:28AlexPseems to be locked (I assume that is what mlock is)
15:20:42AlexPso maybe only a founder type person can
15:21:21Mode"#rockbox -o AlexP" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
15:21:30[Saint]don;t you have access to 'set'?
15:21:41AlexPI don't know
15:21:47AlexPalso, ' :)
15:22:56[Saint]...
15:23:02[Saint]huzzah!
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15:41:18funman15:41 <funman> set #rockbox mlock -c
15:41:18funman15:41 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this command.
15:41:21Mode"#rockbox -o funman" by funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
15:42:22AlexPI don't know if it is possible to let all ops people be able to do that
15:42:25funmanwe need scorche|sh bagder or zagor
15:42:28AlexPBut if it is, we should be
15:42:35funmanyeah we need to have the +s flag
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16:48:23n1sthe $Id$ stuff doesn't work with git, does it?
16:53:20gevaertsNo
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17:06:11n1si'll just delete that line then
17:18:46kugelJdGordon: why the hell did you completely irgnore my request?
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19:29:09soapWhat is the current iPod bootloader version?
19:40:10kugelhow is FS #12822 not a bug?
19:40:10fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12822 entering the FM screen causes playback to immediatly stop when you reenter the WPS (bugs, closed)
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20:01:48gevaertskugel: I'm assuming that since JdGordon both opened and closed it, he found he was doing something wrong
20:02:25kugelah i didnt see he opened it
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20:03:04*gevaerts double-checked :)
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21:07:59SuperBrainAKi think the board of my clip+ is broken...
21:31:16SuperBrainAKhow am i supposed to bridge 2 pads that are less than 1 mm apart?
21:31:49SuperBrainAK(im trying to get it into recovery mode)
21:37:56Tornewith something metal?
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21:45:56kugelSuperBrainAK: screw driver work nicely
21:50:44SuperBrainAKwell kinda but try holding it there plugging in the usb and pressing enter all withought letting it get disconnected :/
21:51:41bertrikSuperBrainAK: the whole unbricking process is not very well understood
21:51:42SuperBrainAKi am going to try to solder in a button from a phone (one of those side buttons)
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21:52:36bertrikapparently it worked for some people, but they are generally in some kind of panicky state when they do it and not very good at remembering what they did or documenting it at all
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21:59:41SuperBrainAKwell it isnt comepletely bricked because it sometimes comes on but doesnt get past the boot up screen
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22:01:41foolshSuperBrainAK: Whie USB is plugged in does it get stuck? My fuze+ does this have to power up and plug in usb after rockbox is booted all the way.
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22:03:01bertrikI still wonder what kind of mode the "unbrick" mode really is. I presents a kind of disk that does seem to have persistent storage.
22:03:45bertrikI guess it exposes some piece of RAM over USB. Perhaps we can upload a piece of code there for to be executed by the brick mode on unplug or something like that?
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22:40:31SuperBrainAKi got it!!! :)
22:40:55SuperBrainAKbut i think it died again :/
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22:50:49SuperBrainAKwhat does recovery mode look like?
22:54:13SuperBrainAKso im getting a 4MB /dev/sdb what do i do now?
22:54:25SuperBrainAKis that even right?
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23:00:19SuperBrainAKanybody know what i should do?
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23:03:02foolshGet some original signed firmware preferably an older version rather than the latest, simply put the newest is not always best. Copy it to the recovery partition and reboot. Be warned a bad image may damage it farther.
23:05:25SuperBrainAKhow do i do that in a graphical way because the command isnt finding the .bin file and i changed the name to clpp.bin and the drive to /dev/sdb
23:05:52SuperBrainAK*clppa
23:12:50SuperBrainAKi also have some weird 21.4 gig drive that has a bunch of letters and numbers as its name and it has 1.2 gig used
23:23:16SuperBrainAKok i got the path of the clppa.bin file right but now it says permission denied, do i have to be root to do it?
23:28:04kugelJdGordon: why the hell did you completely irgnore my request?
23:29:31JdGordonwell, i was under no obgligation to post it on gerrit to start with and i saw no validity in the request
23:30:35kugeljust because you see no validity you cannot simply ignore it completely
23:31:33*JdGordon bearhugs kugel
23:31:38SuperBrainAKwell i tried to do sudo and it first said there was no space left but then it said it copied 4.2MB at a speed of 504kB/s
23:32:18kugelJdGordon: that's just very disrespectful
23:32:21JdGordonlets be friends! :)
23:34:12kugelwe are friends :) but if you want it to stay that way you have to show more respect towards others and not just put off their opinions (and wishes) as invalid
23:35:10JdGordonkugel: respect is a two way street...
23:35:35SuperBrainAKoh well the piece of junk is back together and i shall go play DOD...
23:36:34kugelI didn't mean to say your change is bad or unwelcome (I haven't managed to review it at all), but I questioned the way you presented it
23:36:55kugelI dom
23:39:22kugelI don't think I was being disrespectful. if you disagree and give me an example I'm happy to appologize
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