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#rockbox log for 2013-03-05

00:00:10[Saint]...doesn't come close.
00:00:28corona_ok why?
00:01:05[Saint]Is it not obvious? The level of configuration that VLC offers - when compared to Rockbox - is essentially non-existent.
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00:01:55[Saint]No audio player software for DAPs and mobile devices does.
00:04:25[Saint]Rockbox has the most extensive feature set and configuration options I have ever encountered. Not to mention the skin engine...nothing I know of comes close to that.
00:05:38[Saint]The main difference I see between Rockbox and <insert_other_software_here> is that Rockbox offers the user the ability to change the look and feel of...well....everything.
00:05:57[Saint]*almost everything
00:07:35corona_its like saying developing rockbox for ios
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00:08:16[Saint]cAN WE TRY THAT SENTENCE AGAIN IN A CONFIGURATION THAT MAKES SENSE? ;)
00:08:21[Saint]bah, caps.
00:08:25corona_WUT
00:09:31[Saint]"[12:07:37] <corona_> its like saying developing rockbox for ios" <−− could you try rephrasing this please? It makes no sense to me.
00:10:48*TheSeven accuses [Saint] of looking at the keyboard while typing
00:11:09corona_making a app for ios just like the android one
00:11:34TheSevenif apple wouldn't be quite as restrictive, someone would probably have done that already
00:11:36Tornewhat would be weird about that?
00:12:03[Saint]TheSeven: Indeed - coupled with the fact that this keyboard has no visual indicator (LED, etc.) for the caps or num lock :)
00:12:05corona_cydia
00:12:17Torneyes, it could be distributed as an app for jailbroken phones
00:12:22[Saint]Nothing is stopping you from doing so - go for it.
00:12:24Tornenobody has done it
00:13:07Torne[Saint]: i would say the skinning in rockbox is the least interesting thing about it on android
00:13:17Tornein fact, the way we do the UI is the reason i don't use rockbox on android :)
00:13:28Torneif it used ugly boring stadnard android list widgets i'd use it immediately
00:13:36Tornethe playback engine is the part taht's nice, not the UI :)
00:13:47[Saint]If more of our developers used iOS based devices, I'm sure it would've happened already. But, nothing is stopping anyone else from doing so.
00:13:51scorche|sh"Rockbox has something for everyone!" ;)
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00:32:21*[Saint] is working on user-configurable stepping for the EQ
00:32:38[Saint]...do you think there's any hope for this - assuming it's well done?
00:34:44[Saint]What I mean is being able to configure the stepping (possibly separate values for gain, precut and q) for gain, precut, and q from 0.1db - NdB
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00:35:56kugel[Saint]: I don't think so. it smells like "configure how you configure something" which we generally don't like
00:36:59kugelAlso, IMO, it's not worth the effort and/or binsize
00:37:36*[Saint] is reminded that he wants to unify the values offered for a LOT of settings.
00:38:13[Saint]For example: Some settings have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... - other have 1, 5, 10, 15, etc
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00:49:37JdGordon[Saint]: yeah, sounds a bit pointless... hoeveer if you want to try making the stepping logic more sensible that wouold be good
00:50:44[Saint]What I want to get to the bottom of - but haven't looked to hard at - is the EQ_*_FAST_STEP values
00:50:49[Saint]and when they are used.
00:51:41[Saint]I only have scrollwheel based targets to test on really - and it seems that scrolling isn't counted as a button repeat, which is what I guess triggers the fast step.
00:53:21JdGordonare you talking about in the graphical eq or the menu?
00:53:50[Saint]GEQ
00:54:13[Saint]The menus - iiuc - should have their own list acceleration logic.
00:54:31[Saint]...but, possibly only for touchscreen?
00:55:03[Saint]At least, that's the only place I have actually seen the acceleration configure options.
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01:13:10corona_how do i make my icons in color they are all white
01:14:26[Saint]corona_: what theme are you using?
01:15:16[Saint]It sounds like you applied the "rockbox default icons" config from Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Theme Files
01:15:49[Saint]Just re-apply <whatever_theme_you_are_using>
01:16:05[Saint]...from the menu listed above
01:17:14corona_yea all my icons are just white and they dont change when i reapply a theme
01:18:04[Saint]That means that <whatever_theme_you're_using> isn't setting its own icons.
01:18:19[Saint]Apple cabbiev2, and then apply the theme you want.
01:18:28corona_u mean apply?
01:18:31[Saint]Derp. s/Apple/Apply/
01:19:02*[Saint] got bitten by autocomplete on his phone
01:19:44corona_9
01:19:47corona_wut
01:19:56corona_no cabbiev2 is being retarded
01:20:12corona_its not even cabbiev2
01:20:21[Saint]CabbieV2 definitely sets the icons to the Tango! icon set. Apply cabbieV2, and then apply whatever theme you're wanting to use afterward.
01:20:26corona_it has this blue background
01:20:33corona_its wierd
01:20:47[Saint]you applied "rockbox_failsafe"
01:22:12[Saint]Aha! It seems you'll need to be using a current build for cabbieV2 to apply the Tango! iconset.
01:22:33[Saint]http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=9302300
01:22:46[Saint]"Make Cabbiev2 enable icons when selected "
01:23:00corona_but i am i just reinstalled rockbox
01:23:21[Saint]Oh....hum, weird.
01:23:36[Saint]Applying CabbieV2 should definitely set the icons correctly.
01:23:55[Saint]where "correctly" == "Tango! iconset"
01:24:05corona_i got white icons after first reboot :-(
01:24:30corona_i installed all themes so maybe?
01:24:43[Saint]maybe what?
01:24:59[Saint]The amount of themes you hav e installed is irrelevant.
01:25:03corona_i know
01:25:23corona_time to restore via itunes and try again :-)
01:25:24[Saint]Then I'm doubly confused by that statement.
01:25:34[Saint]WHat? No. That's just silly.
01:25:38[Saint]There's no need for that.
01:25:46corona_cant do any harm
01:26:01[Saint]...but, it's entirely useless.
01:26:25[Saint]All you need to do to achieve exactly the same effect (rather, the effect you want) is remove config.cfg
01:26:49corona_i cant find it unfourtunally :-(
01:26:51[Saint]Restoring via iTunes is *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* over the top for this.
01:27:00corona_oh well to late lol
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01:27:12[Saint]...you can't find config.cfg?
01:27:14corona_maybe because im on mountain lion
01:27:24corona_yea coundnt even find rockbox folder
01:27:41[Saint]it's hidden by default on unixlike systems
01:27:48corona_:-/
01:27:51corona_awesome
01:28:01corona_wish i known dat before
01:28:01[Saint]Also, you'll need to restore for a Windows system.
01:28:07corona_wut
01:28:07[Saint]Rockbos doesn't do macpods.
01:28:12corona_que
01:28:30corona_AWESOME TIME TO BOOT MY VIRTUAL MACHINE
01:29:34[Saint]Better I told you before you started, I guess. Otherwise you'd have the installer tell you that you have a macpod, as opposed to a winpod, and tell you to restore from a Windows machine.
01:30:36corona_what about a linuxpod?
01:30:49[Saint]There's no such thing.
01:30:56corona_oh no there is
01:30:58corona_trust me
01:31:12[Saint]No. No, there isn't.
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01:31:32corona_oops
01:31:39corona_pressed back button
01:31:42[Saint]I'm not sure what gives you the idea that such a thing exists, but, it doesn't.
01:31:54corona_im joking it was a joke
01:31:56corona_calm down
01:34:43[Saint]Well, I apologize. Since I don't have the benefit of being psychic, it seemed like a wildly incorrect statement. ;)
01:34:44corona_btw what does the rockbox video player support "as in codecs"
01:34:58soapmpeg2
01:35:03[Saint]Our fine manual tells you this.
01:35:56[Saint]The video needs to be sized for the player also. It isn't resized dynamically.
01:36:09corona_i know
01:36:27corona_i remeber doing it awhile ago on windows using some converter
01:36:42corona_but i forgot the the name of the converter
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01:38:31[Saint]corona_: http://winff.org/html_new/downloads.html
01:38:35corona_ahh it was winff
01:38:38corona_yup
01:38:39corona_ok
01:39:32[Saint]fwiw, it runs on a shit-tonne of platforms, despite the slightly misleading "Win" part of the naming scheme.
01:40:23[Saint]XP, Vista, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, Fedora, OpenSuse, PCLinuxOS
01:40:38corona_hehe red
01:40:40corona_hat
01:40:43corona_its a hat
01:40:46corona_thats red
01:41:11[Saint]Fedora is also a hat, but, this is sliding off-topic ;)
01:41:36corona_redfedora?
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02:55:33*[Saint] wonders why "/lang" is a subdir of "/apps"
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03:00:41[Saint]JdGordon: I'm confused about your skin engine debug screen
03:00:58[Saint]...why isn't it using a proper lang string?
03:01:14Guest13201pardon
03:01:14Guest13201que?
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03:01:36JdGordon[Saint]: what part of it is confusing?
03:01:48JdGordonand none of the debug screens use translatable strings
03:01:55[Saint]JdGordon: id: LANG_SKIN_RAM_USAGE exists in english.lang, but is depricated - seems like it would be perfect for this and allow translation
03:02:45[Saint]aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyhoo, I just submitted a typo fix for it.
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03:03:35corona_yea this theme problem is happening again
03:05:40[Saint]corona_: Apply Cabbiev2 (so you get the Tango! iconset {the one you're probably used to}, and then instead of applying the theme .cfg for <whatever_theme_you_want_to_use> apply the theme's *.wps/*.sbs/*.fms files separately
03:06:02[Saint]It sounds like the theme you're wanting to use is doing something stupid
03:06:54corona_it is lol
03:09:37corona_i like how winff isnt for mac
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03:10:36[Saint]Someone wanna pull the trigger on g#415 for me please?
03:10:39fs-bluebot3Gerrit review #415 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/415 : Debug Screen: - Skin Engine RAM usage - fix a small typo by Hayden Pearce (changes/15/415/1)
03:10:55[Saint]master and release branch - preferably
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11:32:34JdGordonwhats the syntax for the "ui viewport" config option?
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11:42:26copperwhy does the Rockbox themes website reject archives that contain fonts?
11:42:44JdGordononly fonts in the fontzip
11:42:47copperthey take very little space and it ensures that the theme will display correctly even if the user didn't install the font pack
11:42:50JdGordonbecause wasting bandwidth sucks
11:43:29copperthey take 64 KiB in my theme
11:43:51JdGordonmultiply that by the number of themes on the server * downloads
11:43:53copper8 KiB zipped
11:44:26copperif you're worried about bandwidth, you should implement PNG support
11:44:43copperit's the damn bitmaps that take up 95% of the space
11:44:53copperif not more
11:45:22Tornealso the fonts have, occasionally, been updated
11:45:25JdGordonwe really should enalble jpeg images in the wps, yes
11:45:51copperwhy jpg
11:45:54copperwhy not PNG
11:46:00JdGordonbecause we already support jpg
11:46:09copperah yes of course
11:46:11Tornethere's already a jpeg decoder in core
11:46:15Torneso, it's less work ;)
11:48:07[Saint]copper: the issue is simple - you include fonts A, B and C from the font pack in your theme - we update the fonts in the source - a user them installs your theme, and ends up downgrading fonts A, B, and C unknowingly.
11:48:14copperthe .bmp files take up 200 KiB zipped
11:48:19copperthe rest takes up 4 KiB
11:49:05[Saint]The size is largely irrelevant - the point is, it is wasted bandwidth.
11:49:12copper...
11:49:17[Saint]Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description.
11:49:20copperwhat is this, 1995?
11:49:31*[Saint] dislikes the attitude
11:49:42coppersorry but that bandwidth argument is silly
11:49:55[Saint]It's not an arbitrary reason, the fact that you don't agree with the reason is...well...I couldn;t care less.
11:50:11[Saint]It is what it is, and you've been told why.
11:50:16copperfine
11:51:11copper<[Saint]> Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description.
11:51:14copperyeah, did that
11:51:25[Saint]Sweet - Job done.
11:51:55copperbut you can't use that argument with a straight face :P
11:52:10copperyou had me at the updating argument
11:52:11pixelmato me, the version argument weighs more than the bandwidth one and it's quite important even if it didn't happen often
11:52:29pixelmathat fonts were updated
11:53:01*[Saint] nods
11:53:16[Saint]...bandwidth is still an issue, albeit a minor one.
11:53:54[Saint]But, yes, the larger issue is the fact that the author may not notice a given font updates, and then the user ends up with older fonts than they think they have.
11:54:55sargsomebody familiar with arm assembler, please take a look at this code http://pastebin.com/78Cm9XUU
11:55:05[Saint]We should /probably/ include magic that checks the md5 sum of the fonts against those in HEAD to prevent authors renaming fonts to get around this restriction
11:55:15*[Saint] prods amayer
11:55:15copperyour bandwidth issues are 100 times bigger with the distribution of your source archive
11:55:41[Saint]do we even distribute a source snapshot anymore?
11:55:52[Saint]I thought that stopped /ages/ ago.
11:56:00copperhttp://download.rockbox.org/release/3.12/rockbox-3.12.7z
11:56:27copperI'm sorry
11:56:29coppermy mistake
11:56:42copperyour bandwidth issue with the source archive is 4224 times bugger
11:56:44copperbigger*
11:57:00pixelmathey are also on different servers (themes. and download.)
11:57:17copperseriously though
11:57:23coppereh, forget it
11:57:56[Saint]seriously though - "just don't do it, for the reasons stated above"
11:58:05[Saint]It's really not up for debate :)
11:58:59pixelmawhere do you get the number from? Would you know how much space the how many... 1000? themes would have with the included fonts of their choice (could be a few, could be large ones - anti-aliased and with a big character set)
11:59:17copperI said forget it
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12:01:56[Saint]Hmmm...what the?
12:02:20*[Saint] wonders how he managed to tab-complete amayer when he's not even present
12:03:15[Saint]Odd. Well, I hope he reads logs. He seems to be quite fond of the theme site.
12:03:41copperone small pet peeve I have against it, is that there are no permalinks to the themes
12:03:50copperthe URL changes when I update a theme
12:04:02copperso I set up a redirect on my server
12:04:09[Saint]IIRC, this is one of the (many) things amayer is working on.
12:05:01copperthere's also a repeated PHP error
12:05:20[Saint]...and that's another one of them :)
12:05:30[Saint]amayer has taken the theme site under his wing.
12:06:09copper<copper> Notice: Undefined index: extension in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line 973
12:06:22[Saint]It is being worked on, but - free time, real life, etc.
12:06:33copperkay kay
12:06:52copperyou might want to not print error on the production website
12:06:57coppererrors*
12:07:06copperjust log them
12:10:35copper[Saint]: also, why aren't fonts installed by default? Also bandwidth considerations?
12:10:59[Saint]Correct.
12:12:05[Saint]Only the font(s) required by the default theme are shipped.
12:12:06copperis the server's bandwidth metered, or just limited in throughput?
12:12:45copper(or both)
12:13:15[Saint]In the not so distant past, Rockbox shipped with several themes included, so there were more fonts included in the .zip, but those themes have since been transferred to the themesite so now only the font(s) required by CabbieV2 are present.
12:13:40pixelmajust a n additional thought, the bandwidth issue could also be on the downloader's side
12:13:59coppersheesh
12:14:09[Saint]copper: neither - I believe.
12:14:28funmansarg: what is your question?
12:14:46copperI'd like to know how many people have trouble downloading 3.3 MiB
12:14:59sargfunman: i tried to inject this code, and bricked my device
12:15:14sargso, the question is, may this code cause infinite loop ?
12:15:32[Saint]The server has a fat pipe, and unlimited (or basically unlimited) traffic. But, keeping the images as small as possible, with the least number of superfluous files, is just plain common sense.
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12:15:42Tornecopper: maybe we can put this another way: many users never, ever change theme, or look at the themesite, or use any other font :)
12:15:53funmansarg: code is loaded at which address?
12:16:17copperI just don't really get where this conservatism comes from
12:16:23Tornecopper: or another: the build changes frequently, but the fonts rarely do, packaging them separately means people don't download the same data over and over
12:16:50Torneit also would take more time for the buildbots to upload the zip to the build master if it had the fonts in
12:17:21copperokay
12:17:24Tornewe're turning hundreds of builds around in six minutes
12:17:43[Saint]There's also game files (doom wad(s)), dict index files, and so on, and so forth - forcing these on a user that may not ever use them for the sake of those who do is...well, a crappy thing to do.
12:17:54sargfunman: it is injected at the end of dram init procedure of rk3066 SoC, i don't know load address, but think it does not matter as it is called by relative offset
12:18:08[Saint]Those that *do* want them, can easily download them.
12:18:36copper[Saint]: IIRC the Classic build includes a fuckton of plugins
12:18:44[Saint]and?
12:18:50Tornethe plugins have to be compiled to match the binary
12:18:54Torneso, we distrubite them with the binary
12:18:58Tornethe data files we're talking about don't
12:19:05funmansarg: well unless memcpy overwrites itself :)
12:20:08copperthe plugins take up 1.5 MiB zipped
12:20:29Torneso?
12:20:35sargfunman: what will happen if I LDR from wrong (unmapped) address?
12:20:48funmansarg: data abort i guess
12:21:57[Saint]Plugins are included, as Torne mentioned - to avoid version mismatch.
12:22:17Tornealso, some of hte plugins are fairly important
12:22:24Tornecredits, battery_bench, etc
12:22:29funmanrockblox1d
12:22:32Torneso even if we did split some off we would want some included
12:22:53funmanalthough perhaps a package of optional plugins would make sense
12:23:02Tornefunman: doesn't seem worth it
12:23:37[Saint]It would make a lot of situations where users have plugin pack X, and binary Y, and don't understand why plugin Z no longer functions.
12:24:09Torneyeah, if some plugins were separate and others weren't then people would likely not remember to update the optinal ones
12:24:28[Saint]RbUtil could take care of this, but that would rely on everyone actually using it.
12:25:27Tornecopper: there ultimately doesn't seem to be a good reason to change anything, also ;)
12:25:47[Saint]"if it 'aint broke" et al
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12:27:08copperTorne: the permalink thing though
12:27:34Tornewhat permalink thing?
12:27:56copperthe links to the theme archives
12:28:15copper[Saint] says it's being worked on
12:34:53sargfunman: i changed copy size to 0x1000, but nothing changed
12:40:55funmansarg: maybe use skyeye emulator to test it
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12:57:49copperah, also, it's difficult to link to theme screenshots because of the diaporama script
12:58:13copperI can't right click on the first screenshot and select "copy image location" most of the time
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13:03:10[Saint]Blame your browser then, I guess. Works fine here.
13:03:28copperuh?
13:03:40copperhow is my browser at fault, the image keeps changing
13:04:08[Saint]That doesn't stop you from being able to copy the image URL.
13:04:32copperthe image changes as soon as I hover it
13:04:43copperthe image URL that I copy is that of the new image
13:04:56[Saint]I suspect you're overlooking the fact that you can click on the theme title and view all the images in an array.
13:05:06copperaaaaaah
13:05:16copperI totally did not know about that.
13:06:00copperstrange that I never figured it out
13:06:03coppermy bad, my bad
13:06:05sargfunman: what if my code executed on both ARM cores of SoC ?
13:08:20*[Saint] wonders if it's too late past the event for a http://goo.gl/1Ggfm
13:08:46[Saint]I'm usually must quicker on the draw with my sarcasm, apparently I'm slipping
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16:24:35klyhihi
16:24:41klysorry hi ..
16:25:06klyanybody here ?
16:26:19klygonna kill myself if nobody answers ..
16:29:47pixelmalots, but just ask - don't ask to ask. And be patient, not everyone is always looking or knows everything
16:30:04pixelmaif rockbox related here
16:30:53klyoh thanks
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16:33:00klyso, i changed the face of my ipod c6th gen who is rockboxed, i pull up everything but now i have an error "loading rockbox.ipod failed and then rockbox try to launch and i see *panic* ATA ! error 80000000000 while reading bbt (sector 0, count1)
16:33:24klybtw, the HDD bip sometimes when i move it
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16:42:22klyideas ?
16:47:29kly:'(
16:51:44klyno idea where i can get help ?
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17:04:28pixelmaIt sounds like disk corruption or maybe the connector got damaged (just guessing here, I also don't have an Ipod). Did you try booting into the original firmware or emergency disk mode?
17:06:33klyi can't boot in emergency .. you're probably right, if i up the HDD or not there is no difference
17:06:49klyput or not *
17:07:16klybut i have a bip when i touch it
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17:08:15klyi can hear the HDD working now, but the ipod don't recognize it
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17:16:53klywhy there is 120 persons but nobody cares ?
17:17:46Tornemany people here are users, not developers, and have no idea how to fix your problem. many people here don't have ipod classics and don't know anything about them. many people here are idle, not actually present.
17:18:03Torneplease don't accuse random people of not caring just because they haven't said "i don't know" :)
17:18:15klyok thanks !
17:18:42Torneyou may want to post your question to the forums where people can read it at any time of day
17:31:13n1skly: sounds to me like the connection to the disk isn't working right
17:31:35n1sperhaps reseating it could help
17:40:04klyreseating, play+menu ?
17:40:44Tornere-seating - removing and reinserting the connector to ensure it's plugged in properly
17:40:53klyah
17:40:58klytried 10 time
17:41:20kly:'(
17:43:14[Saint]There's also the possibility that it's just "f*cked ™" as well.
17:43:28klyyep
17:43:32klybut can't stand why
17:44:23[Saint]It is highly possibly that you damaged either the HDD, or the PCB, when you opened the device.
17:44:55[Saint]These things are only reasonably rugged when fully assembled.
17:45:20[Saint]When partially disassembled, they'll break if you look at them the wrong way ;)
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17:46:21klyperhaps .. but it's strange i break nothing
17:47:20[Saint]The cables are *incredibly* fragile...and it can be very hard to spot a break in the traces there.
17:47:51[Saint]I'm also guessing you weren't grounded, so static discharge is also a possibility.
17:48:05klyyes .. :'(
17:49:37klyi guess something, i maybe pull of the cable battery when the ipod was turned on, this could damage it ?
17:51:39[Saint]It's /possible/...I guess. But I would doubt that to be the cause.
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17:52:54[Saint]My guesses would be, in order of likeliness: 1 - broken cable trace; 2 - Accidentally bridging something on the PCB; 3 - Static discharge killing something
17:54:24[Saint]That is, of course, if you are absolutely sure the HDD, and the ZIF cable to it (at both ends), is properly seated and all flaps are down.
17:54:41klyyes ..
17:55:02klybut, the HDD, make some sound when it is connected, so it's not the HDD + cable
17:56:21klybut i've got 1 connection that i don't understand the utility, it's near the battery to under the screen
17:56:40klyif i plug it in or out, nothing changes
17:58:26[Saint]There are many traces that could be broken in the HDD cable.
17:58:43[Saint]The fact that it spins up doesn't necessarily mean a data trace isn't broken.
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18:07:23klywow .. that's weird, when the HDD touch some coponents on the motherboard, the ipod shutdown .. i feel stupid i know ..
18:08:29[Saint]Ummmmm, yeah. Bridging components on the PCB under power is a "Very Bad Thing" - generally speaking.
18:13:09copperhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs is wrong about a free ALAC encoder "missing"
18:13:15copperffmpeg encodes to ALAC
18:13:55[Saint]its a wiki.
18:15:03n1sand most of the info on that page is from when people started porting over codecs, about 2005 or so :)
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18:16:22[Saint]last edit over a year ago.
18:16:31[Saint]edit before that about a year prior.
18:16:38[Saint]edit before that ... :)
18:16:47[Saint]But, yeah, its a wiki - go nuts.
18:17:53copperhmmm, I do have an account apparently
18:18:27copperffmpeg supports it since 2008!
18:20:08copperdone
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18:26:50[Saint]You can't really give it too much grief for being wrong - it was written in ~2005, and the people that edited it since likely only edited the coded they were working on adding at the time specifically.
18:26:54[Saint]:)
18:29:02[Saint]There's only 5 targets SoCs in the table as well.
18:29:12[Saint]That's also a sign of the times.
18:29:32[Saint]*target SoCs
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18:56:36AlexPpamaury: Could you commit your Franch update to the 3.13 branch too please?
18:56:48AlexP(if appropriate, I'm assuming so)
18:59:27AlexPIf there is a patch on gerrit for master, can I apply it to a different branch? Or do I need to take the patch and do it manually?
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19:06:35TorneAlexP: you can't apply it to a different branch just from the web ui, no
19:06:54TorneAlexP: check out the branch youw ant it on, use gerrit's suggested cherrypick command, upload the change for that branch
19:06:58AlexPTorne: OK, so easiest way is to get it to gove me the patch, apply and commit locally?
19:07:07Tornecherrypick rather than patch+apply, but yes
19:07:38AlexPOK, so I'm on 3.13 branch - I a) paste in the gerrit cherry pick command, then b) ?
19:07:57AlexPJust want to make sure I don't cock it up :)
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19:10:38Tornegit push origin HEAD:refs/for/v3.13
19:11:00AlexPThat'll put it up for review again?
19:11:01Torneand it should make a new change that's identical except its parent commit and the target branch
19:11:04Torneyup
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19:11:13Torneor you can just push it directly the normal way
19:11:14AlexPCan I do it directly? Or is that a better way?
19:11:14Tornewhatever
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19:11:20TorneOh, however you like
19:11:21AlexPright, OK. thanks
19:11:22Torne:)
19:11:51AlexPSo basically the cherry pick grabe the change and applies it on the branch I'm on, then I just push it back to that remote branch?
19:11:57Torneyup
19:12:02AlexPgreat, thanks :)
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19:20:54AlexPpamaury: Don't worry, I grabbed the diff
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19:28:22AlexPrasher: About?
19:28:37ViperfangUs?
19:28:39ViperfangTime?
19:28:42ViperfangRight?
19:29:12AlexPViperfang: Do you have a question?
19:29:30ViperfangWas wondering about the second half of the about
19:29:42AlexPThere is no second half
19:29:50AlexPIt is short for "Are you about"
19:30:18ViperfangI know
19:30:23ViperfangJust making convo
19:30:29AlexPIn that case please keep the noise down
19:30:37AlexP#rockbox-community for off-topic stuff
19:36:55AlexPI'm not sure what to do about the Bulgarian translation on the -dev ml - the way he's done it (rearranging strings) even if you make a diff it is rather difficult to review
19:37:02AlexPIt builds alright
19:39:52rasherAlexP: hm, you could try using langtool to sort the current one and then sort his
19:39:57rashershould make them diffable
19:40:19AlexPrasher: I'll try, ta
19:40:32rasherAlexP: Assuming langtool can do sorting... I'm not sure actually, now that I think of it
19:41:02AlexPrasher: hmm, don't see an option
19:41:16rasherAlexP: oh, shucks
19:41:28rasherAlexP: blame the lazy fool who wrote it
19:41:36AlexPheh :)
19:42:03AlexPThe direct diff is 17631 lines
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19:42:12AlexPI'm not even going to try to look at that
19:42:55rasherAlexP: you could do the sort with the translate site
19:43:24rasherAlexP: http://translate.rockbox.org/fixlang.php?lang=bulgarian&sort=on gives you a diff, with a bit of luck his are sorted in English order as well
19:43:42AlexPrasher: great, thanks - I'll try :)
19:44:18rasherif not, you could commit his, then sort i through the translate site and get something diffable then
19:44:24rasherwhich is gross
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19:50:55AlexPrasher: I think that worked, but I think he's added all the voicing, add changed some strings so it is still nice and long
19:51:14AlexPrasher: Do voice strings need specifying if they are not different to the translation?
19:51:30rasherAlexP: I... think so
19:51:39AlexPheh, OK :)
19:52:00rasherbut I'm not positive. Anyway, having them there is nice so we explicitly know they're identical
19:52:08AlexPyep
19:52:48AlexPIs there a diff tool that'll give me more context to the changes than just "diff" does (like e.g. git diff)?
19:53:48AlexPI suspect there is an option for diff that will :)
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19:54:33rasherAlexP: diff -U 10
19:54:38AlexPrasher: thanks!
19:55:00rasherMaybe you just need -u if you're not already
19:55:17AlexPah, indeed
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19:59:17AlexPrasher: I realise this is quite large, but does http://fpaste.org/fmw5/ look sensible?
19:59:39AlexPI didn't spot anything obviously wrong from a cursory glance
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20:01:26rasherAlexP: yeah me neither
20:01:34AlexPgreat, thanks
20:01:48AlexPrasher: Would you commit the resort, then his changes?
20:02:22rasherAlexP: yeah, makes sense
20:02:28AlexPcoolio
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20:10:25AlexPooops
20:10:31*AlexP prepares for wrath
20:10:35AlexPtop posting!
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20:14:11AlexPLooks like Japanese will miss out, no real name - I asked for it ages ago but unfortunately didn't see that he replied saying I didn't need it until now
20:15:08rasherWhoa, no new strings recently eh?
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20:15:57AlexPrasher: looking at the lang statuses?
20:16:02rasherYeah
20:16:14AlexPyeah, it's pretty good :)
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20:54:35rasherAlexP: good job on committing his translation 10 minutes before he sent it! :)
20:55:14AlexPI'm ninja like that
20:56:20AlexPI'm also disliking the trend of having more stable targets, it takes me longer to build them all :)
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21:26:48AlexPgevaerts: Was there a decision on the recorder? Having just built everything I've realised/remembered it doesn't build :/
21:27:12gevaertsAlexP: I'd just apply that one patch
21:27:33AlexPyeah
21:27:36AlexPwill do
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21:53:30AlexPgevaerts: I've applied it to the 3.13 branch only for the time being
21:53:49gevaertsYes, that sounds sensible
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22:19:28AlexPHow is utils/common/tarball.py supposed to work?
22:20:09gevaertsWe clearly need weekly releases :)
22:20:36AlexPIs the argument e.g. "3.13"?
22:20:48gevaertsI suspect the branch name
22:21:04AlexPDoesn't seem so
22:21:26AlexPThat just gives a couldn't find hash for version
22:21:41AlexPIf I use "3.13" it tries to run, but errors out
22:22:24AlexPLooking in it, it takes the argument and prepends "refs/tags/v" and appends "-final"
22:23:14AlexPI thought it might be a python 2/3 issue, but as far as I can see it uses utils/common/tarball.py and utils/common/gitscraper.py and I changed both of those to use python2
22:25:35AlexPgevaerts: I get http://pastie.org/6398007 Does it work for you?
22:25:50gevaertsSame here
22:28:00gevaertsOh
22:28:04gevaertshmmm
22:28:45*gevaerts blames [Saint]
22:28:52AlexPSeems fair
22:29:10gevaertsThe script doesn't handle filenames with spaces in them
22:29:20gevaertsWe had none of those until [Saint] decided we needed them
22:29:37AlexPbugger
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22:31:12*gevaerts pretends to know python so he can fix this
22:31:17AlexPThe eq presets?
22:31:28gevaertsIt's a faulty regular expression, I think
22:31:32gevaertsYes
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22:32:29gevaertsI think I may have a solution
22:32:57AlexPgood work :)
22:33:53gevaertsDid you stand back properly? :)
22:34:00AlexPI am now
22:34:43gevaertsGood!
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22:40:27gevaertsFix pushed to master. Figuring out how to push to v3.13 now
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22:40:51AlexPgevaerts: I wouldn't worry
22:40:53gevaertsDone!
22:40:57AlexPI can run it from master for 3.13
22:41:10gevaertsWe may need 3.13.1, and we'll just get confused otherwise :)
22:41:14AlexPtrue
22:43:09AlexPWill you be around tomorrow daytime?
22:43:33gevaertsI have no meetings planned, so most probably, yes, although there will be intervals
22:44:31AlexPI'm uploading builds, manuals, voice etc. now, but as Zagor isn't here and I can't get on from work, could you grab him if you get the chance to move stuff around?
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22:44:46AlexPWe don't tend to overlap these days :)
22:44:47gevaertsI'll do my best!
22:44:51AlexPcheers :)
22:45:05AlexPThe not used RC will need removing too
22:45:29AlexPI haven't done any of the stuff like update builds.pm in master etc. obviosuly, until stuff is moved
22:45:38*gevaerts nods
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23:04:11AlexPAll should be uploaded now
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23:14:59*bluebrother^ shows up
23:16:16bluebrother^we have files with spaces in the filename?
23:16:25gevaertsApparently
23:16:41*bluebrother^ wonders which one that would be
23:16:46gevaertseq presets
23:17:11bluebrother^ah.
23:17:28*bluebrother^ unsure if he likes this
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23:17:58bluebrother^like or dislike? ;-)
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23:19:11gevaertsIndeed :)
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23:45:35pamauryAlexP: sorry, was afk, did you commit to the 3.13 branch ?
23:46:00AlexPpamaury: yep, don't worry :)
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