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#rockbox log for 2013-03-07

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00:20:56lebelliumhum it's not possible to set time and add a clock to themes on Archos?
00:22:14gevaertsWhich archos?
00:22:21lebelliumOndio FM
00:22:29lebelliummaybe no RTC?
00:22:33gevaertsNo. Ondios don't have an RTC
00:22:56gevaertsThe various recorders do
00:23:09lebelliumhum that's a pity
00:23:26lebelliumsince a theme can work on all these targets (same screen resolution)
00:24:06gevaertsWhat exactly happens?
00:24:27lebelliumit displays −−:−− on my Ondio FM
00:24:36gevaertsRight. That's expected
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00:24:45gevaertsIIRC there's a tag to ask if there's an RTC
00:24:54lebelliumah?
00:25:01lebelliummaybe that would be my solution
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00:25:10lebelliumI check that
00:25:13gevaerts%cc
00:25:22lebelliumcool!
00:25:24lebelliumthanks
00:27:05lebelliumis the Ondio the only RB target without RTC?
00:27:27soapno
00:27:57lebelliumI assume the Player/studio too
00:27:59lebelliumand?
00:28:11soapThe iriver H1x0 came w/o
00:28:14soapcan be modded.
00:28:32lebelliumok interesting
00:30:32soapcheck the files in /rockbox/firmware/export/config for the define
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00:34:02lebelliumI don't have that on the Ondio
00:34:15lebelliumno rockbox/firmware directory
00:35:45funmanfirmware/ in the source code repository
00:36:06lebelliumah... I'm not a dev, I don't look at these things, I don't even know how to access them :)
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00:41:33funmancd firmware/export/config; git grep CONFIG_RTC
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01:16:00*[Saint] decides a user configurable volume cap shouldn't be too hard to whip up
01:17:13[Saint]I was a little surprised it wasn't already a thing
01:20:19[Saint]Now I think of it, Ms [Saint] bugs me about it fairly often. I've finally clicked how annoying it can be without one.
01:21:00lebelliumWe talked about that here http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20121113
01:21:55[Saint]a headphone and lineout cap, would likely be possible too.
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01:25:30[Saint] heh - OK. I guess I'll just keep it in my own tree then. :)
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01:26:06[Saint]that discussion doesn't make me too hopeful of seeing it committed were it to send it to review.
01:26:38[Saint]*were I to
01:26:59[Saint]*if I were to? bah.
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04:30:28soapWhy a volume cap, [Saint]?
04:30:30soapUse the precut
04:31:02soapUnless you're bothered by the noise floor since you're cutting in the digital domain.
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04:31:36soapIf that's the case wait a few more years and you won't hear it.
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04:49:45JdGordonsoap: [Saint]: i think the issue is more users don't understand that they *can* use precut to do it...
04:50:07JdGordonI really dont see the harm in adding a setting to make the volume UI not go higher than X though
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06:36:09[Saint]JdGordon: It also assumes the user it actually using the EQq.
06:36:14[Saint]...which may not be the case.
06:37:28[Saint]If I can figure it out, I'll add a volume cap to the settings ("In Settings - Sound Settings - Volume - Volume Limit"? - does that sound like an OK path for the setting?)
06:38:25JdGordondepends who you ask :)
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06:44:22[Saint]Well, if I a: figure out a neat way of doing it, and b: have the time to do it - that will be the setting's path unless someone comes up with something better or gives me a convincing reason to not put it there.
06:49:28JdGordonits not going to be a simple 1 line patch.....
06:50:10JdGordonto do it nicely you'd have to modify option_select.c (cant remember tha funciton name) and special case for the volume setting
06:50:13JdGordonshouldnt be difficult
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10:46:09lebelliumwhy is the 0.05MHz step only for Italy in RB while any device with FM tuner sold in Europe has a 0.05MHz step?
10:49:07*ukleinek doesn't spot the difference between Italy and the rest of Europe
10:50:33Zagorlebellium: we don't have country-specific versions
10:51:02lebelliumFM region settings, there are Italy and Europe
10:51:06lebelliumthat doesn't make sense IMO
10:51:34lebelliumItaly is part of Europe and the 0.05MHz step may be useful in other countries in Europe too
10:52:19Zagorthat certainly sounds weird, yes
10:54:10lebelliumI would remove Italy and change the Europe setting from 0.1MHz to 0.05MHz but I assume if the situation is how it is, there is a probably a good reason :)
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11:00:33ZagorI don't even see the point of having those regions, other than for Japan's different range (76-90 MHz)
11:01:27XavierGrIf I remember correctly the reasoning for this was that Italy has stations on the 0.05 mark while the rest of Europe does not. (again if I am not mistaken)
11:02:02lebelliumEurope is 87.5 - 108 while (according to RB) US is 87.9 - 107.9
11:02:38Zagorlebellium: exactly, but the difference is so small I don't see the point in having a setting for it
11:03:14Zagorit's not like anyone will be angry because he is able to tune outside the normal US channel range
11:05:27lebelliumindeed
11:06:52lebelliumI assume that has been decided and set up years ago and noone found it useful to rediscuss and change this setting since then :)
11:08:07Tornesurely having a 0.05 step all the time just means everyone needst o press the button twice as much?
11:08:08Zagoryeah, a bit like that. it came from the hardware tuners having these region features. at fiest they were implemented per tuner and then Bertrik Sikken unified them into the radio code in 2010. I can't recall there was every any discussion....
11:27:37kugelyea, it was changed because it sucks that everyone needs to press twice as often just because of italy
11:28:11kugeland even in italy stations on 0.05 are quite rare (said some italian back then)
11:28:40Torneunifying the eu/us ranges seems fine, since they are almost the same anyway and it only affects you if you go to the end anyway
11:28:43kugelI can recall the discussion a bit :)
11:29:48kugelalso auto scan is twice as slow with 0.05 steps
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12:06:16lebellium*Panic* Recfile - 1. Hum the Ondio FM doesn't seem to like my theme or at least my FMS :(
12:27:40pixelmalebellium: btw. I do use my OndioFM - seldomly though these days. But I have my own theme
12:31:52lebelliumand do you know what this panic screen could mean?
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13:48:01pixelmalebellium: looks like a general bug :\ http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12747 (and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=35630.0)
13:49:06pixelmalooks like it's related with recording from the radio (which you do from the radio screen on the hwcodec players)
13:56:50lebelliumhum thanks pixelma. I did not see that bug tracker
13:57:24lebelliumso I guess I'll upload my theme on the website anyways and maybe one day I'll be able to see my FMS on target, not only in the simulator :D
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14:03:40lebelliumah the workaround (recording before enter the FM screen) seems to work though
14:07:29lebelliumhum tuned (%tt) and signal strength (%tr) don't seem to work on Ondio FM. Is that a bug too or the expected behaviour?
14:12:43pixelmaI believe I've seen it working, there could be a difference to your OndioFM though. There are two different series out there with different tuner chips, maybe the other ones (Samsung) don't support it - or support is broken in Rockbox. You could look up which one you have in the Debug section somewhere
14:13:48pixelmamy OndioFM has the TEA chip which is a very common also used in other supported players
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14:14:33lebelliumthe only visible difference I saw is that on mine it is written "Ondio 128" while on many others it is written "Ondio FM 128"
14:14:37lebelliumI check the debug screen
14:15:50lebelliumstrange, I have a Samsung regs line and a Philips regs line ...
14:18:07lebelliumSamsung regs: FFFF
14:18:09lebelliumPhilips regs:
14:18:10lebelliumRead: 00 00 00 00
14:18:12lebelliumWrite: 00 00 00 00
14:18:31pixelmaweird, I don't have my Ondio with me to check.
14:19:10gevaertspixelma: did you try that windows app build fix?
14:20:27pixelmagevaerts: not yet, sorry. I first need to find out why the crosscompiled sim crashed on my laptop (the same setup works on my home PC though)
14:20:52pixelmaneed... well, I wanted
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14:22:35*user890104 wonders if someone else can reproduce fs#12695
14:22:35fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12695 3Drawing some of the WPS UI over lists on iPod Classic/CabbieV2 (bugs, unconfirmed)
14:24:38user890104i can provide a better photo, if that would help
14:27:00pixelmalebellium: I guess that means you have a Samsung tuner, but I'm not a coder so can't tell for sure (maybe someone else confirms?). It's possible that these tuners don't support signal strength or tuned (the hardware itself) or that support was forgotten or impossible to check because these chips are only there in some OndioFMs and the even more rare Archos FM/V2 Recorders
14:27:54lebelliumhum ok
14:29:02lebelliumonce my theme is uploaded, could you try it on your device to check these 2 tags?
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15:20:34lebelliumI don't know how problematic it is but everytime you upload a theme now, you get this message "Notice: Undefined index: extension in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line XXX"
15:21:51lebelliumand I don't know why my background is different from others http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=archosondiosp (I used the OndioFM sim)
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15:25:46lebelliumthe sim has the normal background color
15:25:55lebelliumbut when taking a screenshot it changes the color
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15:28:22pixelmalebellium: the others were probably made with a Recorder sim (it has the same display)
15:28:52pixelmabut backlight
15:29:45pixelma(which is shown as the brighter green)
15:30:04lebelliumthe blue color means no backlight?
15:30:41lebelliumthat's strange because the ondioFM sim has the green background and my device has a more green than blue background
15:31:09pixelmathe blue colour simulates the possible backlight if you mod your Ondio (it can have an EL backlighting, usually blue-ish, the Recorders have green LEDs as standard)
15:31:50pixelmaI wonder though why it is there in a standard sim if you didn't compile your sim as backlight mod)
15:32:06lebelliumok that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is that when your work on the sim you have a green background and when you press F5 it takes a screenshot with blue background...
15:33:19lebelliummaybe I should ask rasher, he made the sim
15:34:44pixelmaah, it's "only" when taking the screenshot. Sounds a bit broken or maybe the "without backlight" colour was deemed to bad for screenshots
15:34:58pixelma*too bad
15:36:23lebelliumyes it's only when taking the screenshot, otherwise it looks like that http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4189/ondiofmsim.jpg
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15:43:53pixelmaI know. Though it doesn't for me, because I build for the backlight mod Ondio ( http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/OndioBacklight in case you're interested and for showing off ;) )
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15:44:44pixelmanot an easy mod though
15:46:56lebelliumlooks nice! but I don't have the skills for that :)
15:56:05XavierGractually if you have the EL bakclight it is relatively easy to set it up. I did the same thing but with a normal LED, the result was awful though because of the uneven lighting...
15:59:22pixelmaif you're good at soldering
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17:09:25coppersome high distortion making the song sound like, er, water
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18:57:47AlexPTorne, lebellium_ etc. Doesn't the US use 0.2 MHz steps, so unifying US and EU would have the same problem wrt button presses as unifying EU/Italy?
18:57:54AlexPgevaerts: Did you manage to catch Zagor?
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19:11:51gevaertsAlexP: I did. The files should be in place
19:12:12AlexPGreat, so just some few bits left to fiddle tonight
19:12:18AlexPI'll have a look shortly, thanks
19:13:41gevaertsSee also various recent forum threads :)
19:16:10AlexPheh :)
19:19:30AlexPI really wish we had commit emails back :/
19:20:15funmandid the emails come from CIA ?
19:26:01AlexPno, I don't think so
19:26:17AlexPHow do I tell which git revision the branch was created from?
19:29:11funmangit merge-base v3.13 master
19:29:32AlexPthanks
19:38:29AlexPgevaerts: Do you know if the download pages get updated automatically (via a Swede) now that builds.pm has been updated, or do I need to edit anything?
19:42:02gevaertsHmmm
19:42:06gevaertsGood question!
19:43:36AlexPah, they've picked it up :)
19:43:38AlexPnice :)
19:44:14AlexPHmmm, where does rbutil pick it up from?
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19:57:38bluebrother^AlexP: http://download.rockbox.org/build-info
19:58:22AlexPbluebrother^: thanks. I guess that is generated from somewhere, and might need a kick to recognise 3.13
19:59:28bluebrother^iirc it's generated by release.pl (or something similar)
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20:00:30AlexPThe question is really do I have to do anything to get it to see 3.13?
20:00:39AlexPOr does a Swede need to nudge something?
20:00:55AlexPOr will it pick it up via something that runs e.g. once an hour?
20:01:37funmanclipzip is still unstable so i guess we need swede action
20:01:51AlexPfunman: In rbutil?
20:02:09funmani just checked build-info content
20:02:15funmansansaclipv2=3
20:02:16funmansansaclipzip=2
20:02:25AlexPyeah, which also will show 3.12 for everything, not 3.13
20:02:33AlexP(I guess, not looked) :)
20:02:39AlexPah, but I see what you mean
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20:14:32bluebrother^AlexP: the versions are in tools/builds.pm
20:14:42AlexPgevaerts: I think everything I can do is done - I've updated news and history but it needs a Swede to activate it, and a Swede to see what needs fiddling to make rbutil see 3.13 and the clip zip. If you get chance, could you collar Zagor tomorrow?
20:14:56bluebrother^and build-info is generated by tools/buildall-daily.pl (in www.git)
20:15:16gevaertsI'll try, but I'll also mention B4gder's name, just in case
20:15:19bluebrother^so once the former has been updated I'd expect things to be correct after one day
20:15:26AlexPOK, so it looks like it'll update at some point in the next day
20:15:30AlexPbuilds.pm is correct
20:16:05bluebrother^unless buildall-daily.pl needs to be run by hand :)
20:16:31AlexPgevaerts: ta. Also he needs to remove the old RC files (B4gder :))
20:17:17bluebrother^we had RCs for 3.13?
20:17:22AlexPsort of
20:17:42AlexPI built them, but they never got properly sorted so weren't publicised
20:17:58bluebrother^ah, right. Now I'm seeing them in Rockbox Utility :)
20:18:13AlexPyeah, including for non-stable targets
20:19:26AlexPfunman made the clip zip stable in builds.pm a week or two ago, so if the build info gets generated each night, shouldn't that be showing up in rbutil?
20:19:45bluebrother^from my understanding, yes
20:19:54AlexPOr is it clever and realised that even though it was marked stable a build didn't exist?
20:20:04AlexPcos it still shows as unstable
20:20:24bluebrother^no, the categorization is independent of the existence of a release
20:21:05AlexPso it doesn't seem to be updating properly then
20:21:27AlexPah well, Swede needed
20:22:18bluebrother^maybe there's some other magic involved
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22:43:01funman22:39 <+gmaxwell> funman: congrats on the release, and hurray for opus!
22:43:11funman22:40 <+gmaxwell> funman: let us know when the installer is loading the new thing.
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22:49:46Lars_GI got to go but I will try my luck, is anybody here one of the devs of the sansa e2x0 port?
22:50:06funmanLars_G: rather ask your question directly
22:50:28Lars_Gfunman: this is something that only a dev of the port might know.
22:51:23funmandoesn't matter, just ask your question directly. said devs will see it in the logs
22:53:56Lars_GBut, oh well. afaik the lcd on this thing works with dma reading of bitmap data. from the ammount of pins, I guess the addressing is parallel and not serial, if I have a corruption (all white) that's horizontal, one pixel high line whoel line, starting at line 1, one line white one line ok, for a total of around 20 to 30 white lines (1/3rd of the screen), do you think it could be the addressing connector? Since it's one on one off in even lines
22:54:33Lars_GI'm fearing ram corrupion, and I'm wondering if it'd be doable to move the address space for pixmap data both in rockbox and the bootloader init of the lcd chip, to test this.
22:56:19funmani assume it's e200v1 and not v2?
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23:01:20funmanapparently the address of the framebuffer is written into the lcd controller so you can put it anywhere in memory
23:01:26funman LCD_FB_BASE_REG = (long)lcd_driver_framebuffer;
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23:02:39*Lars_G nods
23:02:44Lars_GI could try shifting it.
23:02:59Lars_GI'll do it from home. I'm out. I'll leave one body here, to capture answers.
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