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#rockbox log for 2013-03-08

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03:35:04amayerdoes anyone else notice pauses when playing off iclassic as harddrive? music plays then slight pause then resumes
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05:42:23[Saint_]Not even with <absolutely_silly_audiophile_quality_flac>
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10:58:11gevaertsZagor: everything should be in place for the release, but IIUC there's some some magic for you to do to get it to update build-info
10:58:16gevaertsCan you have a look?
10:58:27Zagoryup
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11:32:46copperI got 32h 45m of continuous playback on my Fuze+, with Musepack files, the 10 band EQ enabled, and my IEMs attached, at normal listening volume
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13:33:00Zagorgevaerts: I think I have crossed the t:s and dotted the i:s now...
13:40:25gevaertsNice! Thanks
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14:08:19sargwodz: i got bootrom sarg/5028505">https://gist.github.com/sarg/5028505
14:11:51wodzsarg: nice, good luck with uboot
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14:22:26sputnik2012]hi all, rockbox crashes on startup
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14:40:42sputnik2012hi all, my rockbox crashes on startup, and disconnects from usb under linux, help
14:41:13lebelliumwhat's your device and rockbox version/build?
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14:42:03sputnik2012r31516-120101
14:42:17sputnik2012ipod 6th gen
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14:46:40lebelliumhum I don't know much about iPod. Wait for a dev to read you :)
14:46:50sputnik2012thanks
14:47:01coppersputnik2012: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip
14:47:11copperyour build is one year old
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14:50:07sputnik2012hi copper, problem is i can't accesss the main drive only umsboot
14:50:53sputnik2012http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42841.0.html
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14:55:12sputnik2012reformatted and cleared the database, works now
14:58:55lebelliumgreat
14:59:01lebelliumdon't forget to update the build
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15:00:13funmanrbutil doesn't offer me a stable build for the clip zip
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15:06:27funmanhttp://pastie.org/6420737 - there's no releaseversion
15:09:25funmanZagor: is there another file to update except builds.pm ?
15:10:21Zagoryes, the build-info file. but I updated that...
15:11:57Zagoryour log shows it seeing http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.13/rockbox-sansaclipplus-3.13.zip
15:11:59funmanit's missing clipzip=3.13 in [release] section
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15:12:40Zagorfixed
15:14:27funmanworks fine, thanks!
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15:29:40[Saint]Do the forums not do the "looks like someone is editing the post you're replying to - you might want to wait" anymore?
15:29:44[Saint]I swear it used to...
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15:33:35AlexPZagor: Thanks for the sorting bits out. Is that something I could have done, or did it need you?
15:34:24Zagorunfortunately that still needs me. someone should make a script to parse builds.pm and produce build-info.release
15:34:42AlexPOK, thanks
15:34:45Zagorthen we could have that auto-updated when builds.pm is committed
15:34:53gevaertsOh
15:34:56AlexPyeah, that'd be good
15:35:01gevaertsZagor: could you clean up the RC build?
15:35:08Topic"3.13 released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
15:35:09Zagorgevaerts: ah, right
15:35:12*gevaerts remembers that he needed to ask that too :)
15:35:20AlexPah yeah, just remove it please :)
15:35:39Zagordone
15:35:42AlexPmany thanks
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15:47:10evilnickNice one guys!
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17:14:54[Saint]AlexP: "The release was half way through, and was said."?
17:15:09AlexPand/as
17:15:19[Saint]Ahhhhhh - derp.
17:15:37[Saint]Yeah - ok, that makes sense now, and way /way/ too obvious. Whoops.
17:16:14AlexPtypo due to being awesome
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18:39:20lebelliumwould be nice if someone could fix the bug introduced in February or March, making the YP-R0 crash when entering the FM radio debug screen :(
18:41:29[Saint]Then, it would be nice if "someone" added it to the tracker, don;t you think?
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18:42:09[Saint]until telepathy.rock is implemented, it is kinda a requirement.
18:42:19n1sand bisected the commit that introduced the bug, perhaps
18:42:23lebelliumLorenzo already reported it here on the IRC
18:42:31lebelliumno need for telepathy
18:42:34bertrikI think there was a similar report for another player
18:42:34[Saint]IRC is NOT a bug tracker
18:43:19[Saint]bertrik: 12283 possibly?
18:43:24[Saint]not quite the same.
18:43:31[Saint]doh.
18:43:33[Saint]12838
18:43:50bertrikyes
18:45:09[Saint]lebellium: you might want to add that this also effects the YP-R0 here then: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12838?project=1&type=2&order=dateopened&sort=desc
18:45:27[Saint]I missed the "debug" part of your post, apologies.
18:46:36[Saint]bisection would be really handy too - I don't have any targets with FM laying around.
18:46:48[Saint]...none that are functional at least.
18:49:30lebelliumLorenzo told me he knows the cause. He will add it to the tracker tonight
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20:07:00bertrikunfortunately, fm debug screen doesn't crash on my clip zip, and that's the only player i have with me
20:08:36bertrikdoes it crash in the sim too?
20:08:38*bertrik checks
20:10:23lebelliumI don't know, rasher's simulator are dated december 29 while the bug has been introduced in February or March
20:12:19*[Saint] decides that lebellium should /probably/ look into setting up his own development environment
20:12:32[Saint]It really is trivialy - absolutely trivial.
20:14:12lebelliumI rather guess that Rockbox devs are so high-skilled that they don't even remember what is easy and trivial for a normal user :)
20:14:16[Saint]I've just seen a fair bit of "I don't know, I can't compile <foo>" type posts - easily remedied.
20:14:52gevaertsCan you type three commands without asking how to press enter?
20:14:59[Saint]It really is as simple as "check out the source, run a script"
20:15:09[Saint]combined with "have base dependencies"
20:15:29lebelliumI use Windows 7, not Linux, that's not a good start
20:15:37AlexPCan you download a VM?
20:15:42[Saint]Virtual machines exist.
20:15:53lebelliumI have VirtualBox
20:15:58[Saint]...there you go.
20:16:27lebelliumbut I never really used so getting familiar with the environment would take some time, it's not just setting up a RB environment
20:16:34lebelliumnever used linux*
20:17:30AlexPThere is still time to redeem yourself :)
20:17:35[Saint]Hmmmmm - well, it's ultimately up to you - but it is a lot nicer when you can not only report bugs, but also report the cause, even if you're unable to actually fix it.
20:18:03[Saint]ALso, yes, AlexP is quite right. Linux isn't scary, it's just...not Windows.
20:18:22lebelliumI agree it's both annoying for you and me to always need someone else to compile things for me
20:20:00[Saint]None of us were born knowing C, now how to compile anything.
20:20:18[Saint]...except for maybe gevaerts, who is merely a script.
20:20:19AlexPgevaerts was
20:20:22AlexPhaha :)
20:20:24[Saint]hahahaha, snap.
20:21:07*gevaerts owns a C99 standard pdf, but that's the entire extent of his knowledge!
20:22:56lebelliumyou were not born knowing C but I assume most developers studied computer science or things like that. I'm studying economics and business, which is very far from coding in C ;)
20:23:19gevaertsMost, maybe. Definitely not all
20:24:20*[Saint] studied electrical engineering. Not CS.
20:25:26bertrikhm, clip+ sim doesn't have a fm radio debug menu
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20:25:41[Saint]odd.
20:26:05[Saint]I would've thought that'd be ifdef'd to config_tuner or whatever it is.
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20:27:08bertrikthe clip+ is a bit odd in the sense that it can have two different kinds of tuner
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20:27:39bertrikI think I'll try a plain clip sim
20:27:39[Saint]isn't there a generic "tuner exists" define, and seperate defines for the chip type?
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20:35:23lebelliumhum I guess I just understood something. when setting several viewports with the same label %Vl(meta,......), I just need to put %Vd(meta) once to load all the viewports?!
20:35:43AlexPyes
20:36:03lebelliummy %Vd(meta)%Vd(meta)%Vd(meta) looks ugly then :D
20:36:34[Saint]Yep - perhaps the manual should be more explicit about viewports being able to share idents
20:36:53*[Saint] says the manual as he thinks customwps is an abomination
20:37:26[Saint][Saint]: <−− remember to kill that damn wiki page
20:37:48lebelliumI fill save it offline before you kill it
20:37:48AlexPMake sure to improve the manual first
20:37:49[Saint]that'll remind me.../suuuuuuuuuure/.
20:37:50lebelliumwill*
20:38:28[Saint]AlexP: yeah, I need to go through the manual, the wiki, and the source, as only the source is actually complete.
20:38:47AlexPyeah, both the others are lacking
20:38:57bertrikhm, no fm radio debug screen in the sim either
20:38:57AlexPand confusing in different ways
20:38:58[Saint]the manual and the wiki both miss things, this has been a pet peeve of mine for a while, so I should remember to do something about it.
20:39:23lebelliumI also don't know why I sometimes set %Vf(000000) while it's the default color. Time to clean my code :)
20:39:52*[Saint] isn't a fan of themes setting the foreground color anyway.
20:39:57[Saint]that's the user's job.
20:40:15[Saint](unless it's an area where contrast is an issue)
20:40:50lebelliumI like to have id3tags in black, time format and bitrate un grey and time elapsed in green. That's not user job, that's my theme :)
20:41:19lebelliumfile format*
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20:42:01[Saint]you could just set the foreground color to black where you want it for specific viewports, and set the global foreground color in the theme.cfg
20:42:08[Saint]then the latter is user configurable.
20:42:54[Saint]But, you're right - its "your theme".
20:43:25*lebellium check his cfg file
20:43:34lebellium"foreground color: 000000"
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20:47:04bertrikit finds a bunch of not-quite-incorrect-but-can-be-nicer things
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20:48:45[Saint]well...you found 'em - fix 'em! :P
20:48:51bertriklike "Comparison of a boolean with integer that is neither 1 nor 0"
20:49:13bertrikand "Checking if unsigned variable 'length' is less than zero."
20:49:19*[Saint] wants to guess that that's in the skin engine somewhere for some reason
20:49:26[Saint]the former
20:54:16AlexPhow much RAM does the clip zip have?
20:54:27saratoga8 MB
20:54:37saratogaprobably like 4.5-5MB of actual buffer
20:54:51AlexPta
20:55:59[Saint]isn't that the same guy that was just told his player can't handle massive AA due to RAM restriction?
20:56:15[Saint]perhaps the concept of available buffer is loast on him.
20:56:16AlexPyes, and he is back at the same subject
20:56:28AlexPin addition to his locking up issue
20:56:58[Saint]perhaps make it clear that what he's doing is forcing the buffer to be completely cleared - hence the delay/lockup.
20:57:15[Saint]*crystal* clear ;)
20:57:36AlexPFeel free :)
20:58:23saratogawe should probably have an option to ignore album art though
20:58:37[Saint]...why?
20:58:48saratogaor perhaps skip album art above a certain size on low memory targets, although that might be confusing to users
20:58:52[Saint]Wouldn't the answer to be just not have it on the DAP?
20:59:13AlexPIt is a pain having to customise your collection for different devices
20:59:21saratogaif its embedded in the file finding and removing it can be challenging
20:59:32[Saint]that's why I don't. 500x500 is fine for me.
20:59:35saratogausers often seem unaware its even there
20:59:35AlexPFor instance I'm currently having to remember to embed album art when copying onto my phone, and delete the stand alone image
20:59:43AlexPAs I don't want AA showing up in the gallery
20:59:51bertrikeek, "[playlist.c:263]: (error) Array 'playlist.filename[0]' index 0 out of bounds"
20:59:53[Saint].noimage
20:59:58[Saint]AlexP: ^
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21:00:13AlexPOh, so Android finally fixed that?
21:00:24bertrikmight be a false positive
21:00:24[Saint]Android should respect the ".noimage" dotfile.
21:00:24AlexPWhen I last looked .nomedia was all that was available
21:00:33AlexPWhich was obviously no good
21:00:41*[Saint] nods
21:01:05[Saint]I can say it "works for me(TM)", across multiple devices, but YMMV.
21:01:24AlexPWell good to know, but it still means doing stuff, and everything is different - RB, Android, .....
21:01:55[Saint]Why don't you just use embedded AA in RB, out of interest?
21:02:20[Saint]excess images?
21:02:41AlexPPArtly, but mainly as I'd have to go and do it for the whole lot
21:02:47[Saint]Aha.
21:02:48AlexPAs back in the day RB didn't do embedded
21:03:04*[Saint] let picard do it for him.
21:03:10[Saint]both embedded and file based.
21:03:15AlexPAnd batch processing would do most of it, but I'd still have to spend ages fixing the complicated ones
21:03:35[Saint]True, it was a week long stint of a few hours a day for me. :)
21:04:43AlexPyeah, I have to work most days so a few hours isn't feasible
21:04:54AlexPbut anyway, getting a bit O/T
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21:25:45lebelliumwhat happens if we used %fc in a conditional tag and new codecs are supported (opus for example)?
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21:27:56lebelliumI have %xl(H,no_album_art_small.bmp,2,3,5) and then %?fc<%xd(He)|%xd(He)|%xd(Hb)|%xd(He)|%xd(He) etc....> to simulate a random pickup of the picture
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21:39:32ukleinekAlexP: you mistyped Rockbox in the 3.13 announcement
21:40:55AlexPwhere?
21:41:19ukleinekAlexP: Subject
21:41:33AlexPwhere?
21:41:41ukleinek"Rocbox 3.13 released!"
21:41:53AlexPffs, where?
21:42:02AlexPmailing list, forums, IRC topic?
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21:42:10ukleinekmailing list
21:42:15ukleinekTo: rockbox-dev@cool.haxx.se, rockbox@cool.haxx.se
21:42:21ukleinekMessage-ID: <5139F7C3.2080308@gmail.com>
21:42:26AlexPoh well, what a shame, never mind
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22:39:29[7]which rockboxdev.sh archs do we use these days?
22:40:30gevaertsAll the offered ones, I think
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22:41:48[7]ok, what else do I need for a full build system client? sdl stuff?
22:42:22gevaertsYou can add also android and latex if you like
22:42:24[7]and does the rockboxdev.sh toolchain need to be installed into /usr/local/bin, or can that easily be changed to somewhere inside /home/?
22:42:38gevaertsSet RBDEV_PREFIX to where you want it
22:42:44[7]perfect :)
22:43:05[7]do you happen to have a list of ubuntu packages required for android, sdl and latex somewhere?
22:44:27gevaertsI don't think the android stuff is packaged. For latex, not sure
22:44:53[7]hm, which android components do I need?
22:45:17gevaertssdk and ndk. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AndroidPort
22:45:28[7]I have already installed the texlive package... what else do I need?
22:45:43gevaertsProbably nothing. Can you build the manual?
22:46:19[7]I haven't tried yet
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22:57:15AlexPThere is a wiki page that tells you what latex packages you need for various distros
22:58:08AlexPhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexInstallation#Linux
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23:14:16[7]AlexP: seems like tex4ht, texlive-fonts-recommended and texlive-latex-extra are sufficient
23:14:22[7]they have dependencies to all the other listed packages
23:14:43AlexP[7]: Could be, I don't use Ubuntu/Debian so no idea
23:14:59AlexPBut if you've just tried it then it seems like a wiki update might be in order :)
23:15:24[7]that was on 12.10... maybe it's different on slightly older releases
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23:22:11[7]grr. why doesn't rockboxdev.sh check for awk at the very beginning? instead it bails out half way through the process, so that I have to start over again after half an hour :/
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23:24:24[Saint]Wait until you try building the YP-R0 toolchain ;)
23:24:41[Saint]That is a nightmare.
23:25:18lebelliumyou wouldn't say that if your R0 was still alive :P
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23:29:28[Saint]Yes, I would - and I did so - multiple times :)
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23:50:46Fuchsshi
23:50:49Fuchssanybody here
23:50:51Fuchssneed help
23:52:39Fuchss!ops
23:55:27[7]ok, 3rd attempt
23:55:47[7]it got to the same point, and this time it failed because of leftover crap from the previous run
23:55:49funman[7]: the wiki should list them
23:57:02funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexInstallation#Debian_47_Ubuntu
23:57:19[7]it does... at the *end* of the instructions
23:57:24funmani updated in one month ago after installing it on 12.10
23:58:37[7]funman: texlive-latex-base texlive-binaries lmodern latex-xcolor are redundant
23:58:47[7]they're pulled in as dependencies of the other packages automatically

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